MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 175 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Reincarnation (was RE: Kal'enedral) by "Jennifer S. Broekman" 2) Mage Storms Questions (SPOILERS) (was RE: Kal'enedral) by "Jennifer S. Broekman" 3) sorry, I forgot by Catherine Osborne 4) Re: Star-eyed aspects by gjuka-+AT+-cnw.com (Gjuka) 5) Re: Re:Misty's Music by gjuka-+AT+-cnw.com (Gjuka) 6) Re: sorry, I forgot by dstorrs-+AT+-crossover.com (David K. Storrs) 7) RE: Kal'enedral by Anise K Strong 8) Re: Reincarnation (was RE: Kal'enedral) by "Sarah Stock" 9) Re: MERCEDES-LACKEY digest 173 by Elise M Packee 10) physical science in Valdemar...(forgot original subj) by "Scarlett E. Blizzard" 11) Re: sorry, I forgot by Catherine Osborne 12) Book blurbs by "Lynore M. Belzer" 13) Re: sorry, I forgot by Rich Crawford 14) RE: dreamtime by gjuka-+AT+-cnw.com (Gjuka) 15) Re: sorry, I forgot by dstorrs-+AT+-crossover.com (David K. Storrs) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 14:09:24 -0400 From: "Jennifer S. Broekman" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Reincarnation (was RE: Kal'enedral) Message-ID: <199510121809.OAA18783-+AT+-sparky.phast.umass.edu> Sunfalcon wrote: >On Wed, 11 Oct 1995, Cecile S. Ueltschey wrote: >> Is >> there evidence that Heralds (FULL Heralds, I don't want to get into the >> Tylendel/Stefan thing - I think he was a special case) (other than Van, >> he too is a special case in my mind) have an option for reincarnation >> other than as a Companion? Perhaps not ALL Heralds are given that choice? > I certainly hope not. Can you imagine what sort of >Companion a Herald like Lores (the blockheaded one from Magic's Promise) >would make? I very much doubt that all Heralds are offered the choice of >incarantion as a Companion, since at least some would have died so young >as to be relatively useless (in terms of practical experience, at least) to >their Chosen. I don't know that there's anything so firm as evidence to support most of this, but here're my thoughts. The Havens seem to be something like the Summerlands and something like the afterlife in Katherine Kurtz's Deryni novels. This would mean that all souls that go there can stay there until they feel ready to venture back into the mortal world via reincarnation. Souls which are sufficiently 'advanced' get the option not only of staying or being reincarnated (on Velgarth this probably includes being reincarnated in any of the intelligent species, not just as what you were the last time around), but also of returning as a Companion or FireCat or working as a leshy'a Kal'enendral or whatever suits your inclinations and experience. (One thing to keep in mind is that there's nothing that says that the guardian spirit creatures *must* use the same name they used as mortals the last time around. I think it's perfectly possible that the FireCats, for example, are any souls dedicated to Vkandis which are sufficiently advanced, and they use the names of Sons of the Sun out of tradition and to honor them and to help convince the current Son to trust them in their own right, as well as as the mouthpieces of Vkandis.) Sanna wrote: >Do the souls get memory-wiped at rebirth? IMO, yes. Or at least, those being reborn as regular mortals do. IMO, Tylendel/Stefen's retention of ties to Vanyel was unusual and the result of how bizarrre his circumstances were. -jenneke I *am* family. How could I not have family values? Only Boys Accepting Feminism Get Kissed Meaningfully -- Geoff Marcy The only unnatural sexual act is that which you cannot perform. -Alfred Kinsey broekman-+AT+-sparky.phast.umass.edu | http://www-astro.phast.umass.edu/gs/jenn.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 14:37:44 -0400 From: "Jennifer S. Broekman" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Mage Storms Questions (SPOILERS) (was RE: Kal'enedral) Message-ID: <199510121837.OAA18832-+AT+-sparky.phast.umass.edu> Sunfalcon wrote: > Okay, here we go. . . > Did anyone else find the whole reaction to Florian's announcement >a bit odd? Here we have a Companion calmly saying that he can function >as a Master-level Mage, and, aside from Elspeth's jaw dropping, NO ONE >SEEMS TO REALLY CARE. In universe, I tend to think that this sort of means that the bypass the Companions put in around the whole idea of magic hasn't fully disappeared yet, in spite of everything. >I find this very disturbing, especially the fact >that since magic has only recently "returned" to Valdemar, Florian (a >Mage-Gifted Companion) was born before the prohibition was lifted. >Either the Powers That Be were able to see far enough into the future >that they knew a Companion of these skills would be useful (ten or more >years down the line seems like awfully powerful Foresight, though), or >else (presumably) Mage-Gifted Companions have been running around ever >since Vanyel died. Did Valdemar endure the loss of magic for nothing, >since properly gifted Companions should have been able to train the >appropriate Heralds? Well, a couple of things. One, Florian was young enough that it didn't surprrise anyone that he hadn't Chosen yet, so he may be as young as 5 or as old as 9, which, I think, would mean that he was born when or after it became clear to Vanyel (and probably others) that the barrier was going to come down in the face of the attacks on it from outside. At that point, it should have been clear that MageGifted Companions would be useful, at least to the Deity In Charge (tm). Two, what makes you think that a Companion with the MageGift could've trained MageGifted Heralds? IMO, we have no evidence that Companions can or will teach their Chosen anything. Even when Rolan and Tantris helped Kris teach Talia, they only helped, they didn't teach. This, of course, only means that they won't, not that they wouldn't be able to, but think of the only instance we've seen in which there's the kind of relationship between Companion and Herald that rersembles teacher-student: Tylendel. It's probably a bad idea to set up that kind of imbalance in any Companion-Herald relationship... > Also, on the subject of Iftel, I have a few questions, which I >have reason to believe were answered in Storm Rising. If so, please let >me know by personal mail, so as not to clutter up the list. I don't think they were. Or, at least, if they were, I missed it... > So what's powering the wall along the (entire) Iftel border? IMO, a demi-deity or really-high-level Guardian Spirit. >People (in the books) have been talking about a God for a very long time, >but I would think that a God could produce something a bit more refined. Could and would are different, though. Iftel has always been isolationist. Why should it change now? >Storm Warning refers to Iftel's guardian as "not intelligent"; but it's >sentient enough to react to Karal with curiosity and then satisfaction. Wasn't it "not precisely intelligent" or something like that? I have the feeling that its intelligence is either very preoccupied with other tasks or of a sort we wouldn't really rrecognize as such... > Considering the current situation in Northwest Velgarth, I can't >believe that any benevolent deity hovering over Iftel would close off its >country so completely, especially considering the dual threat of the >Empire and the Mage Storms. If Iftel's barrier is the result of a God's >efforts, then why doesn't Vkandis do the same thing for Karse (or why >doesn't Kalenel simply wall off the Dhorisha plains from all intruders?) >I think there has to be something powerful, but decidedly Non'Godlike >watching over Iftel. Well, no one has said anything about the Mage Storms being able to penetrate Iftel's wall. The reason the breakwater had to be made part of the shieldwall was that that's where the resonance was in order to protect Valdemar, Karse, and Rrethwellan, not because Iftel was getting protection out of it, too. If Iftel's deity (or deities) is very protective of Iftel and doesn't give a hoot about anyone outside Iftel, why shouldn't it try this sort of pure isolation stunt? As for why Vkandis doesn't do the same: Vkandis seems to be considerably less isolationist and lots more concerned about people everywhere than the Iftel deity or deities. The same holds for the Star-Eyed and the Kaled'a'in lands. I also have the feeling that free will is considerably less important to the Iftel deity or deities than it is to the Star-Eyed and to Vkandis. This may or may not move this deity or deities out of what you consider to be the category of benevolent deities, but I don't think it does: it's just more narrow-minded.) > Lastly, we've heard several times that the Shin'a'in are guarding >all sorts of really nasty weapons that are buried in the plains and still >potentially active. And the plains were the site of URTHO's stronghold. >What about Ma'ar? So what if his city is buried under Lake Evendim? >Shouldn't there be at least some sort of watch placed over whatever >goodies he left behind? Ma'ar didn't have a city the way Urtho had his Tower. What's under Lake Evendim is the remains of the High King's Palace, not anything of Ma'ar's. Whatever was originally Ma'ar's first tower is way off north and west of Lake Evendim. Also, remember that Ma'ar, although he was a Sorcerer-Adept, wasn't all that set on creating things that he wasn't planning on using. Any weapon he created, he used on Urtho ASAP. The stuff in Urtho's Tower is the stuff that Urtho refused to use, because he didn't think the damage to the world was worth any victory it might have given him over Ma'ar. There might be some nice ruins under Lake Evendim (although I doubt it: dry areas preserve ruins much better than lake beds do), but they're not going to contain anything with the kind of power that the weapons Urtho left behind have. -jenneke I *am* family. How could I not have family values? Only Boys Accepting Feminism Get Kissed Meaningfully -- Geoff Marcy The only unnatural sexual act is that which you cannot perform. -Alfred Kinsey broekman-+AT+-sparky.phast.umass.edu | http://www-astro.phast.umass.edu/gs/jenn.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 14:41:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine Osborne To: mercedes lackey list Subject: sorry, I forgot Message-ID: If non-pagans also mail me response to the survey so I have an idea of how many pagans in relation to other religious groups... Thanks I\/ Catherine Osborne "After great pain, I\/ Sundancer a formal feeling comes." I cosborne-+AT+-sidwell.edu --Emily Dickinson I http://www.sidwell.edu/~cosborne/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 14:46:09 -0800 From: gjuka-+AT+-cnw.com (Gjuka) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Star-eyed aspects Message-ID: <9510122136.AA04411-+AT+-baker> >On Thu, 5 Oct 1995, David K. Storrs wrote: > >> Yes, there are. There is also a song called "Wind's 4 Quarters", >> from Firebird Arts and Music; I think Misty wrote it/sang it, but I'm not >> certain. > >It is on the tape Moonlight, Magic, and Melancholy (well, those are the 3 >words in the title, I think, though I don't guarantee that's the right >order.) Misty wrote the words, Leslie Fish wrote the music, and Heather >Alexander sings it. (It's also on the Oathbound tape, I think, with >Leslie Fish singing it instead. The music is arranged differently as >well on this version. They are both interesting.) > >> PS -- Not to start a new thread or anything, but does anyone else out there >> have/enjoy Misty's music/filk in general? > >Yes to all of the above, though I must admit I'm more a Leslie Fish fan >than anything else. > >Blessed be, > >Erica It's also on the Oathbound tape. Colette gjuka-+AT+-cnw.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 14:46:13 -0800 From: gjuka-+AT+-cnw.com (Gjuka) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Re:Misty's Music Message-ID: <9510122136.AB04411-+AT+-baker> >Cool a new topic! > >I have "Herald's, Harpers and Havoc", "ShadowStalker", >"By The Sword" (listening to it even as I type), "Lovers, >Lore and Loss" from Misty's stuff. > >I also picked up Wanderlust from Heather Alexander, >and 2 Tempest - "Serrated Edge" and "Surfing to Mecca". > >In other words, Misty's introduced me to a whole nother >genre of music. I'm spending every spare dime on CDs >these days. I picked up 3 of these at a recent Con here >in Phoenix. > >Anyway, I love Heather Alexander's voice and music, and >have decided that "Wanderlust" is my favorite of all these. > >Of the direct Misty stuff, "ShadowStalker" is absolutely >awesome, "By the Sword" is really good, though I prefer >Heather to Meg Davis' voice. > >I haven't been able to really get into "Lovers, Lore and >Loss" on which Misty sings a lot. Frankly, while she writes >some really awesome music, her voice just isn't as good >as some of these other folk. Plus, since Vanyel and >Kero are my two favorites, obviously I like "their" music >best. > >Although you've just got to hear "Threes" on "Heralds, >Harpers and Havoc." And let's not forget "Dark and Stormy >Night", the funniest song I've ever heard. And then there's >"The Face Within", basically Alberich's song. Possibly >my favorite. Unfortunately, there's a bunch of songs on >this one that I don't like, otherwise HH&H would be my >favorite. I use this stuff as background music to my >workday a lot, and HH&H has some very grating songs, like >the two Sun & Shadow songs. > >BTW, I can't thank all of you enough for telling me about >Firebird Music, and introducing me to the music of Tempest. > >I never knew Celtic Rock existed, and I'm now totally >hooked. Just bought a double-CD of Steeleye Span that >I hope to have a chance to listen to soon. > >Any other suggestions about music from groups similar to >Tempest are eagerly solicited. > >And again, as my put on this, Heather Alexander's Wanderlust >is an easy, fun, tremendously enjoyable set of music that >I love dearly. If anyone didn't like it, let me know! >I'd be very curious why! > >StarWolf Ya, I agree that some of the songs get annoying. I recomend a compelation tape or two with all your favorite misty songs. One I made for a friend (who has never read misty- I'm getting her the Vanyel series for x-mas)has these songs on it and now her family argues over possession of it. Windrider Unchained (from Shadowstalker) Web of Light The Shadowlover Earthspirit The Colddrake Warrior (By the Sword) Need Kyree Sun and Shadow (Heralds Harpers and Havoc) Meeting Threes Tale'sedrin (Oathbound) Shin'a'in Song of the Seasons Shin'a'in Warsong Winds Four Quarters Hindsight The House Carpenter (trad.) (Tempest, Serrated Edge) Dark Lover Burning Times (Rumors of the Big Wave) Kirya (Ofra Haza) Reels on Fire (Tempest, Serrated Edge) neither Rumors of the Big Wave or Ofra Haza are in any way related to Misty or her work. But I would highly recomend them both. The first is a Seatle band with enviromental and pagan roots, the second is a yemanite jew who sings sortof middle eastern dance/pop music in english and hebrew. Very good stuff. Colette gjuka-+AT+-cnw.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 17:57:43 -0400 From: dstorrs-+AT+-crossover.com (David K. Storrs) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: sorry, I forgot Message-ID: <199510122157.RAA06850-+AT+-prague.crossover.com> >If non-pagans also mail me response to the survey so I have an idea of >how many pagans in relation to other religious groups... Thanks > >I\/ Catherine Osborne "After great pain, >I\/ Sundancer a formal feeling comes." >I cosborne-+AT+-sidwell.edu --Emily Dickinson >I http://www.sidwell.edu/~cosborne/ > > Personally, I'm a card-carrying atheist with strong anti-organized-religion leanings... which is why I didn't say anything in the recent Roman Catholism "debate". :> Dave Storrs -- "Just out of curiousity", Arthur asked, "what, exactly, do barn owls eat?" "Small mammals." said Humphrey. "Ah...and, umm, just how big would you say 'small mammals' are?" "About as big as us." "Ah." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 19:37:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Anise K Strong To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: RE: Kal'enedral Message-ID: More Storm Rising debate: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >snip > Also, on the subject of Iftel, I have a few questions, which I > have reason to believe were answered in Storm Rising. If so, please let > me know by personal mail, so as not to clutter up the list. > So what's powering the wall along the (entire) Iftel border? According to previous books, the Windlords, i.e. plural gods.In fact, it's implied (I think in Arrows) that there are significantly more than 2. Given what we "know" Kalanel and Vkandis CAN do, it doesn't seem surprising that a group of gods devoted to protecting one country could construct something on the level of a massive shield. Remember, Kalanel is renowned (in Winds) for being a particularly non-interfering deity, and Vkandis has apparently only recently woken up from a hypothetical several century-old doze during the reign of the Black-Robe Priests in Karse. It doesn't seem that surprising that gods, like we know the one of Iftel are, who are very active in their country could use their power in such a manner.Perhaps it's a version of the Web except connected to a physical landmark rather than a group of Heralds/Companions. Snip > but I would think that a God could produce something a bit more refined. The "wall" didn't exist (Storm Warning) until Ancar tried to attack the Iftel border, at which point it suddenly sprang up as an apparent defense against Hardornen mages. Perhaps it was an improvised mechanism? > >Snip Considering the current situation in Northwest Velgarth, I can't > believe that any benevolent deity hovering over Iftel would close off its > country so completely, especially considering the dual threat of the > Empire and the Mage Storms. Iftel's deities and Iftel's people have always been concerned specifically with Iftel. Perhaps they simply are indifferent to the other nations' fate. Benevolence depends on who you're talking to. Remember, Ma'ar's own people thought he was a great nationalistic hero... -That's all for now- Anise K. Strong> > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 12:25:42 +1200 From: "Sarah Stock" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Reincarnation (was RE: Kal'enedral) Message-ID: <199510130029.NAA16821-+AT+-ftp.paradigm.co.nz> > I don't know that there's anything so firm as evidence to support most > of this, but here're my thoughts. The Havens seem to be something > like the Summerlands and something like the afterlife in Katherine > Kurtz's Deryni novels. This would mean that all souls that go there > can stay there until they feel ready to venture back into the mortal > world via reincarnation. Souls which are sufficiently 'advanced' get > the option not only of staying or being reincarnated (on Velgarth this > probably includes being reincarnated in any of the intelligent > species, not just as what you were the last time around), but also of > returning as a Companion or FireCat or working as a leshy'a > Kal'enendral or whatever suits your inclinations and experience. (One > thing to keep in mind is that there's nothing that says that the > guardian spirit creatures *must* use the same name they used as > mortals the last time around. I think it's perfectly possible that > the FireCats, for example, are any souls dedicated to Vkandis which > are sufficiently advanced, and they use the names of Sons of the Sun > out of tradition and to honor them and to help convince the current > Son to trust them in their own right, as well as as the mouthpieces of > Vkandis.) YES, thats exactly what I've been trying to write in my head since this started! Souls can go to the Havens for a rest and then be reincarnated. > Sanna wrote: > >Do the souls get memory-wiped at rebirth? > > IMO, yes. Or at least, those being reborn as regular mortals do. > IMO, Tylendel/Stefen's retention of ties to Vanyel was unusual and the > result of how bizarrre his circumstances were. I don't know about memory-wiped, but soul (or heart) wiped, yes. They would need to remember experiences, but not the emotional ties that went with those experiences, or at least they would need a sense of detachment. Otherwise, it would be difficult to remeet people from an old life. All IMO of course. sarah ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 20:01:20 -0600 (MDT) From: Elise M Packee To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: MERCEDES-LACKEY digest 173 Message-ID: Umm...Barra, you are incredibly brave! and to follow-up with a quick note. There were documented cases of AIDS in the 60's...just not under that listing, also it was not a virulent as the current pandemic. At one point, AIDs was so sensitively called "GRIP". It stood for Gay's Rest In Piece. I know of victims who had that written on thier death certificates. It is sickening. And I would like to say, please if you are having sex, wether hetero- or homo-, please protect yourself and your partner. I am losing a person I deeply care for to AIDS...and it is hurting. I want to try to increase awareness and the fact that it can happen to anyone...anytime... Please be careful... again, Barra you are incredibly brave, and have my deepest respect. getting off the soapbox, and hiding it in the closet.... Elise ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 95 9:17:36 CDT (0717Z) From: "Scarlett E. Blizzard" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: physical science in Valdemar...(forgot original subj) Message-ID: <9510130832.AA09908-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk> Spoiler below............................ References to characters in SW and a scenairo (sp?) from book.... in the below message Bye the Bye, How do we know when we can stop being careful about spoiling new books for people????? ** * *** * ** * *** * ** * *** * ** * *** ** * *** * ** Stacy Hunt DuVall wrote: snip ...snip.... >> Has anyone else wodered about the "level" of the sciences in >>Valdemar? We know that they have mathematicians, engineers, and a pretty >>good grasp of human anatomy and physiology (after all, in one of the >>_Aarow's_ books, one of the healers refers to a burnt Herald as having >>pretty bad nerve damage). What about other physical sciences? Did they >>not develop because of the availability of magic? >>Hmmm, that doesn't really work in the case of Valdemar, since magic wasn't >>an option for a long time. * As to the question of physical sciences, didn't Karal in SW collect * samples of the soil, water, plants, bugs, etc.... * when they were looking at the storm damage? The "collecting samples " * for study sounds like someone was into physical science to me. Scarlett " An old crest on a new wave " blizzard-+AT+-wurbpmo.wuerzburg.army.mil ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 08:40:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine Osborne To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: sorry, I forgot Message-ID: On Fri, 13 Oct 1995, David K. Storrs wrote: > -- "Just out of curiousity", Arthur asked, "what, exactly, do barn owls > eat?" > "Small mammals." said Humphrey. > "Ah...and, umm, just how big would you say 'small mammals' are?" > "About as big as us." > "Ah." That is a great sig. Where's it from? BTW, thanks for responding to the survey! I\/ Catherine Osborne "After great pain, I\/ Sundancer a formal feeling comes." I cosborne-+AT+-sidwell.edu --Emily Dickinson I http://www.sidwell.edu/~cosborne/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 09:21:20 EST From: "Lynore M. Belzer" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Book blurbs Message-ID: >Second: I just got my Vanyel books back and pounced on them. Midway >through, I stopped to read and look at the cover of Magic's Pawn. I was >disgusted all over again. First: the cover blurb is obviously insanely >incorrect. Who writes these things? Second: Who is the naked woman? I'm >assuming the man's face is Tylendel. Does anyone else have problems/wish >to comment on the Vanyel covers? Yes, I'd like to comment on the Vanyel covers. THEY DRIVE ME NUTS! I love the fact that the cover to MPawn a) has Van's mage-gift be the reason he goes to Haven, b) makes Heraldship sound like a job and not a vocation (in perhaps the most literal sense of the word. :) what else would you call this big spirit-horse moseying up and saying hop aboard. I've got something you need to do.) and perhaps most of all, c) attributing Van's training to the *Shin'a'in* and not the Talaydras. The Shin'a'in haven't even been linked to the world of Valdemar yet! (I could be a little off on that one. When did Oathbound come out in relation to MPawn?) What's almost as good is the back of Oathbreakers. It gets the whole plot bass-ackwards. And I quote: ...Idra, so they were told, had left long ago on a search for a legendary magical sword which could reveal which of her two brothers was meant to become the new king. With the princess gone, her younger brother had been branded an outlaw and her olderbrother had claimed the throne.... First of all, Idra didn't leave "in search of the sword" until *after* she'd cast her vote for Char. Secondly, Char was the yonger brother, and Stefan was the older. *grumble* *grumble* *grumble* Anybody else have any good book blurb stories? Lyn Lyn Belzer * P.O. Box 234 St. Bonaventure, NY 14778 * 716/379-3034 ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* But the beauty part is, in any couple only one person has to be sane at a time. You talk them out of their tree, so they can be coherent enough to talk you out of your tree. -Paul Reiser ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 08:07:53 -0700 From: Rich Crawford To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: sorry, I forgot Message-ID: <199510131507.IAA18268-+AT+-franc.ucdavis.edu> At 08:21 PM 10/12/95 +0100, you wrote: >If non-pagans also mail me response to the survey so I have an idea of >how many pagans in relation to other religious groups... Thanks > >I\/ Catherine Osborne "After great pain, >I\/ Sundancer a formal feeling comes." >I cosborne-+AT+-sidwell.edu --Emily Dickinson >I http://www.sidwell.edu/~cosborne/ > > > I call myself a "Zen Episcopalian with strong Wiccan leanings", but I don't really know what it means. Peace. ............................................................................ ................................ Zhai'helleva Rich ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 09:30:10 -0800 From: gjuka-+AT+-cnw.com (Gjuka) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: RE: dreamtime Message-ID: <9510131620.AA21141-+AT+-baker> OK, this is in responce to the theory about Kero and Eldan and how they comunicated. Some one mentioned the Dreaming from the Sandman comics, and I compared that to the idea of the Dreamtime. OK, well I just found a quote that says the Dreamtime really does exist on Velgarth. in Magic;s Price pg 135 Yfandes says... ":Where are you?: she repeted, her mind voice warm and amused. :You're dreaming of course. Or rather, in the Dreamtime. There is a diffrence.:" So at least we know it exists, even if we don't know that Eldan and Kero comunicated that way. Still, since they spoke in dreams, it makes it at least likely. And since Yfandes was there, it doesn't look like you have to be lifebonded in order to speak there. I also prepose that space may be diffrent in the Dreamtime , thus distance would not be a factor. I think this is a kind of magic Heralds arn't familiar with and perhaps Shamans or non-human races work with more often. Colette gjuka-+AT+-cnw.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 12:20:36 -0400 From: dstorrs-+AT+-crossover.com (David K. Storrs) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: sorry, I forgot Message-ID: <199510131620.MAA08128-+AT+-prague.crossover.com> On Fri, 13 Oct 1995, Catherine Osborne wrote: >On Fri, 13 Oct 1995, David K. Storrs wrote: > >> -- "Just out of curiousity", Arthur asked, "what, exactly, do barn owls >> eat?" >> "Small mammals." said Humphrey. >> "Ah...and, umm, just how big would you say 'small mammals' are?" >> "About as big as us." >> "Ah." > >That is a great sig. Where's it from? > _The Church Mice Spread Their Wings_ by Graham Oakley...reconstructed from memory, so the punctuation is certainly not correct and the words are only semi-guaranteed. >BTW, thanks for responding to the survey! You're welcome. *courtly bow* Dave 'The velocity and position of a particle cannot both be known precisely at the same instant; uncertainty is therefore at the root of everything.' -- Heisenberg's Uncertainty principle "God does not play dice with the Universe!" -- Einstein's comment on the Uncertainty principle "I don't? Oops." -- God's comment on Einstein's comment on the Uncertainty principle. ------------------------------ End of MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 175 *********************************