MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 180 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re:Misty's Music by Rich Crawford 2) Re: uniforms/tayledras outfits/etc by dstorrs-+AT+-crossover.com (David K. Storrs) 3) Re: uniforms/tayledras outfits/etc by "Aphrael" 4) Re: sorry, I forgot by Ned 5) Re: again, three things: Vany... by AliFarr-+AT+-aol.com 6) Re:Misty's Music by ristuben-+AT+-webstar.net (erik ristuben) 7) Re: Book blurbs by Mat Timmerman 8) Re: physical science in Valdemar by Mat Timmerman 9) Re: Alright... by Gyrfalcon 10) RE: Lake Evendim, reincarnation, & religion by CHONNI 11) A new book to recommend by h-wilfehrt-+AT+-nwu.edu (Helen M. Wilfehrt) 12) RE: Kal'enedral by mealink-+AT+-syd.au.swissbank.com (Kerry Mealing) 13) Re: Valdemar's Deity? by Amy Mason 14) Re: Book blurbs by Amy Mason 15) Re: uniforms/tayledras outfits/etc by gjuka-+AT+-cnw.com (Gjuka) 16) Re: A new book to recommend by gjuka-+AT+-cnw.com (Gjuka) 17) Re: Star-eyed aspects by gjuka-+AT+-cnw.com (Gjuka) 18) re:misty's music by "Scarlett E. Blizzard" 19) Re: Reincarnation by jc-+AT+-crosfield.co.uk (Jerry Cullingford) 20) RE: Kal'enedral by "Cecile S. Ueltschey" 21) Re: Book blurbs by Ned 22) RE: Kal'enedral(+ SPOILER) by dstorrs-+AT+-crossover.com (David K. Storrs) 23) ADMIN: oops! by mel (Melanie Dymond Harper) 24) Re: Book blurbs by dstorrs-+AT+-crossover.com (David K. Storrs) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 17 Oct 1995 11:59:59 -0700 From: Rich Crawford To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re:Misty's Music Message-ID: <199510171859.LAA27388-+AT+-franc.ucdavis.edu> >I do agree that she is perfect as Selanay. In fact, I was quite suprised >the first time I heard the songs of Selenay. However, that doesn't >mean I like them. Her voice may be perfect for Selenay, but that doesn't >mean it doesn't grate on me. It does. Tremendously. > >As far as Leslie Fish, isn't she the one pushing that big old spot >of land in the middle of the Arizona desert where we can "run free as >naked as the day we were born, smoking what we want, when we want, >without interference?" Etc.? I heard her at a recent con, and I've >heard her a few times before, and she seems to be constantly pushing >this idea of hers in people's faces. While I don't disagree with >her right to do these activities, I find it terribly irresponsible >to be talking about the freedom to do drugs in front of a large >crowd of teens and pre-teens. What adults do among themselves, from >multiple marriages all the way to shooting up hemlock is up to them. >But since many of the things she wants to do out there in the desert >are illegal in current society, I don't think she should be preaching >them to kids - and believe me, her song about this place she's trying >to create is definitely preaching. > >Sorry to get on my high companion I was just very angry at her >pulling this crap. > >To be honest, I wasn't that impressed with her music, either. Perhaps >that was a reflection of my annoyance, but she didn't start preaching >till the end of her set, so... You guys think her music is really >worthwhile? Why? (that isn't "why in the heck would you think something >so stupid!, that's "hmmm, these people seem to share my musical tastes, >if they think she's good, maybe I need to listen again, I wonder why >they like her?) > >StarWolf - who hopes she hasn't irredeamably offended yet another individual >:( > > I just got HH&H in the mail, and I'm very happy with the album overall; I had to get it just to hear "Laws" sung (it's probably my favorite of Misty's songs). Misty's voice does grate; it's kind of flat and atonal. But I have to agree that it's perfect for Queen Selenay. My only real complant is that Margie Butler's voice doesn't seem to be up to her normal standards. She still sounds good, though. I've only seen Leslie Fish perform once, at Time-Con 1988. Her voice irked me then, and some of her views did as well (re: drugs, etc.); but I liked her songs a lot, and "Banned from Argo" is still one of my favorites. ............................................................................ ................................ Zhai'helleva Rich ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Oct 1995 14:17:09 -0400 From: dstorrs-+AT+-crossover.com (David K. Storrs) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: uniforms/tayledras outfits/etc Message-ID: <199510171817.OAA13751-+AT+-prague.crossover.com> >However, I do have some friends who work in the Costume >Department of the Renaissance Faire in Northern California; I'll check around. > >Zhai'helleva >Rich I am interested in getting involved in the Ren Faire/SCA scene, but I'm not really sure how to do...does anyone know of a mailing address/phone number that a NYC based, car-less person could use? Dave -=* Member in Good Standing: Oberlin Non-Sequitor Society -=* "We may not make sense, but we do like pizza." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Oct 1995 15:19:53 EST From: "Aphrael" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: uniforms/tayledras outfits/etc Message-ID: <58F777C07-+AT+-pub.sbu.edu> I'm interested as well! Unfortunately, I can't sew or design a pattern worth a damn. However, I do have some friends who work in the Costume Department of the Renaissance Faire in Northern California; I'll check around. Me too! Me too! I'm going to a costume party as a Herald this Halloween, actually. I'm using a pair of white leggings, and the top from the John Smith costume pattern from Simplicity. (It's a Pocahontas/ John Smith package kind of deal) and white half-boots. Do you know how hard it is to find white -not beige, not eggshell- boots in October? I found them finally at a Payless Shoes place. I've also ordered some Tayledras jewelrey from Firebird in Herald white to top everything off. Actually, now that I think about it, if someone was feeling really ambitious and creative, they could play around with the Pocahontas pattern and come up with a pretty spiffy Tayledras outfit. P.S. Ned: If you leak my costume to the rest of the section I WILL have you strung up by your kilt.... Talk to y'all later P.P.S. is anyone out there in Dallas or Ft. Worth? I'll be wandering down at Thanksgiving. Anybody want to get together? Lyn Lyn Belzer * P.O. Box 234 St. Bonaventure, NY 14778 * 716/379-3034 ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* But the beauty part is, in any couple only one person has to be sane at a time. You talk them out of their tree, so they can be coherent enough to talk you out of your tree. -Paul Reiser ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Oct 1995 15:35:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Ned To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: sorry, I forgot Message-ID: On Tue, 17 Oct 1995, David K. Storrs wrote: > > *laugh* Used to be, if some strongly religious person asked me what > faith I was and I didn't want to offend them by honestly saying that I was > an atheist, I would say that I was a "Bindu Transcendentalist"...never ONCE > did anyone ask me what that was -- no one had the nerve to admit that they > hadn't heard of "my" faith! > Lately, when asked about my religion, the answer that I have handy is that I'm a "religious conservative". That's a nice, safe answer in the backwoods where I am: where letters to the editor in the local newspaper claim that God is against homosexuality: it's in the Bible (side note, I have not yet been given a verse in which this is unequivicably stated. The closest that I have found involve a prohibition against homosexual rape and one against transsexualism in worshiping other dieties). Fortunately, I haven't yet been pressed for the next line of my explanation: "Yep, none of this new-fangled stuff like Christianity" Zhai'helleva Ned Ned Adams aka S. Baldrick Sometimes it is better to light a sbaldric-+AT+-roanoke.infi.net flamethrower than to curse the darkness (540) 890-0212 (T. Pratchett) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Oct 1995 17:03:08 -0400 From: AliFarr-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: again, three things: Vany... Message-ID: <951017170307_126246644-+AT+-emout05.mail.aol.com> Oooooh, hard to catagorzie. Raised Catholic, rebelled against church hierarchy long ago, revere and respect the spirituality of Christian tradition, definitely believe in a higher power that watches and guides our progression toward the light, don't buy the patriarchal father figure; Katherine Kurtz's Horned God and Goddess probably come closest to my ideal of what humanity reaches for. I guess this probably puts me in the catagory "pagan" . Look forward to the results of your survey! AliFarr ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Oct 95 16:34 CDT From: ristuben-+AT+-webstar.net (erik ristuben) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re:Misty's Music Message-ID: > RAR responded to Firefly's inquiry of LL&L: > >Actually, Misty sings NONE of the songs on this CD. The Selenay songs >are sung by somebody named Shanice or Sharice (?) who has a gorgeous >voice. Heather Alexander makes an appearance, as does the fellow who >sang Dirk on HH&H. I recommend you buy the CD, as the lyrics are >compelling and the songs are very emotional. RAR > > Thanks for clarifying that for me. It sounds like a great disk. Now, as soon as I finish school and become a real human, I'll go online to that Really Dangerous Firebird website and press that altogether too easy ORDER button a coupla times. Thanks for the great review! Firefly ristuben-+AT+-webstar.net (p.s. I'm the female Ristuben. Erik would rather eat his shorts without ketchup than read anything but Anne Rice and Stephen King!) > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Oct 1995 19:07:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Mat Timmerman To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Book blurbs Message-ID: <01HWK2WBHH0Y8ZIG4I-+AT+-vaxc.hofstra.edu> From: "Lynore M. Belzer" >>Second: I just got my Vanyel books back and pounced on them. Midway >>through, I stopped to read and look at the cover of Magic's Pawn. I was >>disgusted all over again. First: the cover blurb is obviously insanely >>incorrect. Who writes these things? Second: Who is the naked woman? I'm >>assuming the man's face is Tylendel. Does anyone else have problems/wish >>to comment on the Vanyel covers? > >Yes, I'd like to comment on the Vanyel covers. THEY DRIVE ME NUTS! >I love the fact that the cover to MPawn a) has Van's mage-gift be the >reason he goes to Haven, b) makes Heraldship sound like a job and not >a vocation (in perhaps the most literal sense of the word. :) what >else would you call this big spirit-horse moseying up and saying hop >aboard. I've got something you need to do.) and perhaps most of all, >c) attributing Van's training to the *Shin'a'in* and not the >Talaydras. The Shin'a'in haven't even been linked to the world of >Valdemar yet! (I could be a little off on that one. When did >Oathbound come out in relation to MPawn?) > When I look at this blurb now, I just roll my eyes and sigh. :) Still, I'm sort of vaguely greatful to it. It was that blurb (and the fact that I got the book for only $.25) that got me into Misty's books. So, I _have_ to be a little more forgiving. Of course, if the blurb had actually been correct, I might have gotten it sooner [but then I'd have paid $5.00, and gotten the silverless cover (can you believe it -- a first print MPawn for only $.25!)]. Mat T. -- Mat Timmerman "They want to stop the ones who want accmjt-+AT+-hofstra.edu prosthetic foreheads on their heads. But mtimmerman1-+AT+-hofstra.edu everybody wants prosthetic foreheads on their real heads." -- They Might Be Giants ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Oct 1995 19:09:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Mat Timmerman To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: physical science in Valdemar Message-ID: <01HWK32L1T7C8ZIG4I-+AT+-vaxc.hofstra.edu> From: John Oliver > >From: "Scarlett E. Blizzard" > >>Bye the Bye, How do we know when we can stop being careful about >>spoiling new books for people????? > >I don't know if there is any rule - one possibility is to wait until >the paperback comes out. But that is often a year after the hard back. >Perhaps 6 months is a reasonable period? Yeah, but people are still listing Storm Warning stuff as spoilers, and its been out in paperback since, like July or August. Mat T. -- Mat Timmerman "They want to stop the ones who want accmjt-+AT+-hofstra.edu prosthetic foreheads on their heads. But mtimmerman1-+AT+-hofstra.edu everybody wants prosthetic foreheads on their real heads." -- They Might Be Giants ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Oct 1995 19:42:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Gyrfalcon To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Alright... Message-ID: On Mon, 16 Oct 1995, Sandy Haas wrote: > > I'll send the men in white after you... (Piers Anthony fans who like to > > pretand that they belong to the David Eddings circle.) Watch out or > > they'll dart you and drag you away to a 22 hour Xanth reading in an > > attempt to brainwash and convert you. Look at Ian's sig if you don't > > believe me. > I'm not worried--my devotion to Valdemar and the goodness that > surrounds me and my Companion will protect me---and if THAT doesn't > work--I'll try spit balls. Gyrfalcon's vision fades in and out as he reads the last message, hidden memories take over his brain and his movements become jerky and uncoordinated. A quick sequence pressed on the wall next to the PC and a drawer slides out of the desk. Reluctantly he picks up a plaid phone receiver and speaks into it. a few minutes later he put's the phone down and closes the drawer. Then as the brainwashing gives Gyrfalcon his motor control back, he has the strength to whisper, "Bright Lady, what. have. I. done?" Before unconsciousness takes him. A thousand miles to the south, two people are loading a truck, as one of them throws a giant axe into the back he says, "What was that name again?" The other, a shorter blonde woman replies: "Sandy Haas, she's in Michigan, it shouldn't be too hard to find her. Careful though, she has one of those damn horses." "I'll take care of the horse... You deal with her reprogramming." "Not a problem" The two people chuckle between themselves as they load a final crate of paperbacks into the truck. Dust rises as the get in and head north. As Gyrfalcon regains consciousness: Watch out Sandy, I meant that remark as a joke!, But it looks like they're coming for you. Sorry. --Gyrfalcon I didn't mean it, really! =======================msowers-+AT+-menger.eecs.stevens-tech.edu=================== Magic still exists. We have only to reach out and touch it, it is a part of the very fabric of the world. When our belief of magic completely dies this universe shall die. Because that magic; Hope, Dreams, Love, Beauty, Wonder, Belief, and Discovery are what make us a people. They are all part of a great Art whose workings are still a mystery but whose applications can be seen every day. If we ever lose the Art mankind shall not last the day. Let the magic that is in us roam free in our work, play, in each other, and most of all in ourselves. Let it roam free or it will die. ============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Oct 1995 17:03:31 -0800 (PST) From: CHONNI To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: RE: Lake Evendim, reincarnation, & religion Message-ID: On Tue, 17 Oct 1995, Sanna Koulu wrote: > Adrienne York wrote: > > > Sunfalcon wrote: > > Has anyone identified a deity watching over Lake Evendim? Also, why > > would Ma'ar have left evil weapons? He could have used them already. Or > > they could have been triggered by that big explosion at his death. > > Remember, Ma'ar's primary shielding concern would have been the > > prevention of theft, not providing safeguards for his underlings. > > > > I think there would have been _something_ there, though probably > nothing as massive as Urtho's weaponry, for precisely those reasons. > But, more importantly, Lake Evendim is a lake (surprise! ) - a big > one, at that. It might not _need_ guardians; who is going to get the > weapons or whatever from there? > I can't remember any aquatic races, submarines haven't been invented > (yet..) and while a mage might be able to breathe water, there's > still the water pressure etc. to consider. (Of course, when we're > talking of mages powerful enough to level a city...) > > > -Seanna > Perhaps there's something there, along the lines of Vanyel in the Forest of Sorrows... after all, all those dead Heralds have to be doing something !!!!! I mean the well meaning, yet rather inept ones we run into time and again who can't deal with anything important without letting their pettiness get in the way. Remember the heralds who greeted Elsbeth & co. when they Gated to the Ashekevron stables (don't mind the spelling, please)?? They almost shot the grpyhons! Just because they mean well and have great loyalty to the people of Valdemar does not always make heralds exciting and loveable. Re: reincarnation... Remember how the Shadowlover offered Vanyel a choice between the Havens and serving Valdemar? Maybe really good and potentially useful Heralds are offered the same choice when they die. These heralds might not even have to wait until some future date to be reincarnated; if death were timeless, then they could just be bumped up to their birth as a Companion without time to readjust, learn how to deal with being a Companion for their first few years of life and then bang! they have to choose someone. Just a thought... Re: pagan survey... I'm a free thinking, permanently lapsed Catholic with a strong Taoist streak. *********************************************************************** -Chonni Brightwolf (Katherine Moll, student) University College of the Cariboo British Columbia, CANADA ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Oct 1995 05:17:07 -0500 From: h-wilfehrt-+AT+-nwu.edu (Helen M. Wilfehrt) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: A new book to recommend Message-ID: <199510172212.AA040517945-+AT+-casbah.acns.nwu.edu> I originally sent this during that mysterious blackout over last weekend, and, since I never received a copy, I figured that it got lost...so here it is once again.... I just finished reading a new anthology book which I enjoyed and which I thought many of you might enjoy. In some ways it is reminiscent of ML's "Sacred Ground". It is "Tales from the Great Turtle" edited by Piers Anthony and Richard Gilliam, and it is described as "Fantasy in the Native American Tradition". It comes from Tor Books (aka Tom Doherty Associates, Inc) and the ISBN # is 0-812-534900-5. The book originally came out in Dec. 1994. There are stories both by Native American authors as well as non Native American authors. Some of the more familiar authors include Piers Anthony, Mike Resnick, Kristine Kathryn Rusch, Pamela Sargent, Steve Rasnic Tem, and Jane Yolen. The snippet on the cover quoting from Publishers Weekly says "With a fluidity like that of the river itself, the volume ultimately takes on a force all its own. Fantasy fans will readily warm to this entertaining work, as will the growing audience for books about the indigenous peoples of the Americas". I enjoyed all of the stories which are largely drawn from Native American folklore. The stories utilized both Native American and white narrative characters which provided perspective from both inside and outside various Native American cultures including Aztec, Mayan, Cherokee, Seneca, and Hopi. Happy reading.... Helen h-wilfehrt-+AT+-nwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Oct 95 13:07:20 EST From: mealink-+AT+-syd.au.swissbank.com (Kerry Mealing) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: RE: Kal'enedral Message-ID: <9510180307.AA06570-+AT+-syd.au.swissbank.com> Adrienne wrote: > > There is, as far as I know, not one iota of proof that ALL non- > > Groveborn Companions are ex-Heralds. Some certainly. Like > > Sayvil, and a few others. But every one??? Nope, don't buy it. > > > > Anyone want to offer some more *proof*?? > > > I don't have proof. But I do have something some intelligent person > said. I don't remember who, but it could have been Sherlock Holmes. > "Take the simplest possible solution that will fit all the known facts." > Or words to that effect. > My point is, if we know there are Heralds who become Companions, and GB, > why are we needlessly complicating things? I agree. Of course, that was just so the pedantic part of my personality could slip in a clarification.. :) The simplest possible solution fitting the facts is a paraphrase of Occam's Razor. Sherlock (either Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, or someone writing under his name) said, more or less "When you've eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable must be the truth." I think. :) Cheers, Kerry. -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -- Kerry J Mealing mealink-+AT+-syd.au.swissbank.com Life would be so much easier if we could just look at the source code. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Oct 1995 21:00:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Amy Mason To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Valdemar's Deity? Message-ID: On Mon, 16 Oct 1995, Kerry Mealing wrote: > > Was re-reading the Black Gryphon before diving into the WG and it occurred > to me that perhaps Valdemar doesn't have a deity watching over it at all, > but rather that it might be Urtho's spirit guiding them. > I'm not sure exactly why it occurred to me :) , I think it was something in > the way the gryphons were created / behaved that struck me as very similar to > the companions. Also the Kaledain weren't Urtho's own people whereas the > ancestors of the Valdemarans might have been. SW spoilers.... IMO, this doesn't make any sense. Because of what we find out about the Empire in SW, we know that they are also the descendents of Urtho's people, that they had accidently been pushed too far because of the explosion, the same thing had happened to the Shin'a'in. But, we _do_ know (correct me if I'm wrong) that the Kaled'a'in were Urtho's people orignally too, didn't the Shin'a'in and the Kaled'a'in spring from the same place? And we do know that the Shin'a'in were Urtho's people. It is logical to assume that Valdemarans were Urtho's people, because the original Valdemar (the guy to found the place, I'm blanking on the name) were a part of the Empire and tried to escape the tyrannest(sp?) rule. > (Does anyone else have an inordinate tendancy to spell Valdemar as > 'Valdemaar'? I wonder if 'Valde' meant anything in one of the original > languages.. enemy perhaps?) As we know before Valdemar was the name of the first king who founded the country, they escaped from the Empire, and the only way for him to do that was to escape out to the west finding what we know today as the country Valdemar. I hope I won't be flamed, these are just my thoughts.... Amy :) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Oct 1995 21:01:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Amy Mason To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Book blurbs Message-ID: On Wed, 18 Oct 1995, Mat Timmerman wrote: > paid $5.00, and gotten the silverless cover (can you believe it -- a > first print MPawn for only $.25!)]. Where? Can I buy it off of you? Amy :) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Oct 1995 22:32:49 -0800 From: gjuka-+AT+-cnw.com (Gjuka) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: uniforms/tayledras outfits/etc Message-ID: <9510180522.AA26384-+AT+-baker> > Heyla, my computer hates the modem, and it cuts into my email >time. I'll make this quick; is there anyone who is interested in making >a herald uniform, but like me, can't design a uniform? I'm looking for >patterns, and ideas for doing so, or even putting together a collection >of patterns. Anyone interested? Has something already been done along >these lines? If this is too mundane a subject, email me at >k_moll-+AT+-cariboo.bc.ca. Thanks! > > -Chonni Brightwolf Okay, well I just use my white painter/poets shirt that laces up (too busy making SCA garb and too lazy to extend my efforts). However, one of my old newsletters has some advice for Herald uniforms. I hope it's at least partially helpful. from Pacific NW Collegium Chronicals Aug. '91..... Arrows of the Queen- pg 85-92 good description of collegium apparal Arrows Flight pg 13 description of Herald Whites description of food and clothing for formal and causual occasion all of chapter 2 McCall's pattern # 5568 is suggested, though I've never seen it and can't personally give my opinion. Implies it can be used for a tunic, undershirt, and cloak. For more ideas i'd suggest looking at the Society For Creative Anachronism Web sites (there are several around) for info on easy medieval garb. I'll try to find more info- I seem to remamber someone warning against using white leather or suede, but ultra suede was recomended if you can afford it. Colette gjuka-+AT+-cnw.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Oct 1995 22:32:53 -0800 From: gjuka-+AT+-cnw.com (Gjuka) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: A new book to recommend Message-ID: <9510180522.AB26384-+AT+-baker> >I originally sent this during that mysterious blackout over last weekend, >and, since I never received a copy, I figured that it got lost...so here it >is once again.... > >I just finished reading a new anthology book which I enjoyed and which I >thought many of you might enjoy. In some ways it is reminiscent of ML's >"Sacred Ground". It is "Tales from the Great Turtle" edited by Piers >Anthony and Richard Gilliam, and it is described as "Fantasy in the Native >American Tradition". It comes from Tor Books (aka Tom Doherty Associates, >Inc) and the ISBN # is 0-812-534900-5. The book originally came out in Dec. >1994. > >There are stories both by Native American authors as well as non Native >American authors. Some of the more familiar authors include Piers Anthony, >Mike Resnick, Kristine Kathryn Rusch, Pamela Sargent, Steve Rasnic Tem, and >Jane Yolen. The snippet on the cover quoting from Publishers Weekly says >"With a fluidity like that of the river itself, the volume ultimately takes >on a force all its own. Fantasy fans will readily warm to this entertaining >work, as will the growing audience for books about the indigenous peoples of >the Americas". > >I enjoyed all of the stories which are largely drawn from Native American >folklore. The stories utilized both Native American and white narrative >characters which provided perspective from both inside and outside various >Native American cultures including Aztec, Mayan, Cherokee, Seneca, and Hopi. > >Happy reading.... > >Helen >h-wilfehrt-+AT+-nwu.edu Actually (while we're off on a side topic) my new favorite author(even more than Misty) is Charles De Lint. I've loved everything so far that I've read by him. He uses a lot of myth, primarly celtic and Native American, and places many of his stories in modern settings. I really really recomend him to everyone, especially people who like that "old" feeling to their tales. But I have to admit, I havn't read anything by him that has captured me as much as Misty's Last Herald Mage Trillogy. Also highly recomended is Gael Baudino. I didn't like her Dragonsword series at all, but Gossomer Axe was a vision, and her series about elves (Strands of Starlight, Maze of Moonlight, Shroud of Shadow, and Strands of Sunlight) are inspired. Has anyone else read these? I hate to depart any further from topic, but I truely LOVE these books and would love to hear some one else recomend them (or not). And if you havn't read them, please try to give them a trial read. Admittedly, they're sometimes hard to find, but worth it! Colette gjuka-+AT+-cnw.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Oct 1995 22:49:41 -0800 From: gjuka-+AT+-cnw.com (Gjuka) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Star-eyed aspects Message-ID: <9510180539.AA26622-+AT+-baker> >>On Thu, 5 Oct 1995, David K. Storrs wrote (among other things not quoted here) >> >>> -- Not to start a new thread or anything, but does anyone else out there >>> have/enjoy Misty's music/filk in general? > > >Yes, yes and double yes. Anyone else out there moved to tears by the entire >cd "Shadowstalker" ? Although almost a year late in the production, >Firebird Arts & Music delivered the promised release into my sweaty little >hands and it's been love ever since! The song "Shadowlover" and "Windrider >Unchained" are two of the most hauntingly beautiful songs I've ever had the >pleasure of hearing. Misty and crew....Bravissimo! > >Firefly Yes, I loved Shadowstalker, I think it's my favorite, but i'm hard pressed between that and By the Sword. Does any one know if Lovers Lore and Loss or Quest of the Dream Warrior are worth getting? I'm particularly curious about the last. Anyone heard that one yet? Clues as to what it's about? Colette gjuka-+AT+-cnw.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Oct 95 11:00:48 CDT (0900Z) From: "Scarlett E. Blizzard" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: re:misty's music Message-ID: <9510181012.AA25688-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk> On Thu, 12 Oct 1995, William Jones wrote: I can't figure out the meaning of the song "Draw the Circle" on > the By the Sword soundtrack... Mabey I'm just dense, > but it almost sounds like a kind of incantation > to me! > > Draw the circle 'tween two worlds. > Celestial fires to clense the girl. > One to watch, and one to pray, > and one to bear her soul away. > > The moon is every woman's friend, > to her your goodness can decend (?) > So tonight in visions see > the emblems of her destiny. > > - Shadow-Lover >>Don't know who wrote: >Sounds like they're talking about somebody achieving power once they >commence menstruating. But it could be something else entirely. That's >just what it sounds like to me. >>Gryfalcon wrote: Not so much an incantation, but maybe the report of the results of one... Perhaps a deathwatch? Sounds like something a shaman or priest would do when a person died, to console the family or the like.Rambling on and on,--Gyrfalcon ****** Well... it strikes me as more of a coming of age ceremony, but the other theories sound just as plausible. Scarlett "An old crest on a new wave" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 11:01:22 +0000 (GMT) From: jc-+AT+-crosfield.co.uk (Jerry Cullingford) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Reincarnation Message-ID: <9510181101.AA27055-+AT+-crosfield.co.uk> > > Just to throw another fly in the ointment, what makes everyone > so sure that Grove Born Companions are *not* reincarnated > Heralds? Two things: (1) The initial batch were grove born, and couldn't (barring time travel - evil grin) have been reincarnated heralds, since there weren't any dead heralds then :-). (2) Gwena is grove born. One of the books (probably the last winds one) mentions her 'not having any human experience', which pretty much rules her out as a reincarnated human of any flavour :-). -- _|_ / | Jerry Cullingford jc-+AT+-crosfield.co.uk (Work) \_|_ jc-+AT+-selune.demon.co.uk (Home) \__/ Hemel Hempstead, UK jerry-+AT+-shell.portal.com (alternate) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Oct 1995 14:43:49 -0500 (CDT) From: "Cecile S. Ueltschey" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: RE: Kal'enedral Message-ID: On Mon, 16 Oct 1995, Adrienne York wrote: > On Tue, 10 Oct 1995 RUNDLE-+AT+-wilma.bcasd.az.honeywell.com wrote: > > (snip) > > I think that there are 3 types of Companions, not 2. > > > (snip) > > > why are we needlessly complicating things? > Because we have to much time on our hands??? Cecile ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 09:13:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Ned To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Book blurbs Message-ID: On Tue, 17 Oct 1995, David K. Storrs wrote: > > 1) L. Sprague de Camp's novel "Rogue Queen" shipped as "Rouge Queen" I'm not going to touch this one.... > 2) There was a romance novel (provenance unknown and irrelevant), > which used a piece of stock art for its cover. The picture showed a woman > seated, her hands (basically) in her lap, with a man standing behind her. > The man has one hand on her shoulder and the publishers decided, "She should > really be holding his hand." So they airbrushed the picture so that her > right arm was across her chest, holding his hand. They forgot to airbrush > out the OLD arm, however, so the novel shipped with a 3-armed woman on the > cover. Does anyone else think that this would be a really neat cover for a fantasy novel? The plot is already taking shape in my mind..... Zhai'helleva Ned Ned Adams aka S. Baldrick Sometimes it is better to light a sbaldric-+AT+-roanoke.infi.net flamethrower than to curse the darkness (540) 890-0212 (T. Pratchett) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 10:03:57 -0400 From: dstorrs-+AT+-crossover.com (David K. Storrs) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: RE: Kal'enedral(+ SPOILER) Message-ID: <199510181403.KAA15066-+AT+-prague.crossover.com> > Philip Johnson > 'Never do for yourself what you can con an expert into doing for you' > Naismith: 'On War' > 'A rational government wouldn't allow him possession of a pocket-knife, > let alone a space fleet.' Cordelia, Countess Vorkosigan: 'On Naismith' > > Those quotes are really familiar...the Foundation series? Or Dune? Dave ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 16:25:08 +0100 From: mel (Melanie Dymond Harper) To: mercedes-lackey Subject: ADMIN: oops! Message-ID: <9510181525.AA01935-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk> It is possible that any requests sent in approximately the last two days may not have been processed (I had to recreate part of the subscribers file; I think I caught all of them, but nothing's ever certain). Please resend, if so. Also, my apologies for the continuing mail delay problems. I'm awaiting the relevant bible (O'Reilly book on sendmail), then I should be able to fix it. Yours, not having a good week, Mel. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 10:17:05 -0400 From: dstorrs-+AT+-crossover.com (David K. Storrs) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Book blurbs Message-ID: <199510181417.KAA15103-+AT+-prague.crossover.com> > > >On Wed, 18 Oct 1995, Mat Timmerman wrote: > >> paid $5.00, and gotten the silverless cover (can you believe it -- a >> first print MPawn for only $.25!)]. Funny story for you: when I was reading MP for the (mumble, mumble)th time, I happened to be on a plane trip somewhere or other. As we were boarding, I went through the metal detector.... So I dumped out all my change, my Swiss Army knife, and my keys.... Ok, so I take off my belt (metal buckle)... The zipper on my coat was plastic, so I figured that wasn't it...so I dump my watch.... Finally they took me aside and wanded me. Turns out, there was a bomb scare on and the sensitivity on the metal detectors was cranked up so high that it was reacting to the silver coating on MP's cover! The attendant had to open the book and flip through it to make sure that I hadn't packed plastique between the pages or something, but after that they let me go through. Dave - who could probably think of six ways to smuggle explosives on a plane that would work, and get's annoyed at stupid regulations that are inconvenient and improperly enforced. ------------------------------ End of MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 180 *********************************