MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 182 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: A new book to recommend by ristuben-+AT+-webstar.net (erik ristuben) 2) Re: pagan survey by Anne Cross 3) Re: Book blurbs by gjuka-+AT+-cnw.com (Gjuka) 4) Re: Book blurbs by Mat Timmerman 5) Movie "Strange Days" by URAMESS-+AT+-aol.com 6) RE: Lake Evendim (was Re: Kal'enedral) by John Oliver 7) Re: A new book to recommend by "Kristin A. Ruhle" 8) RE: Reincarnation by Todd Fox 9) Re: wheelchairs by mel (Melanie Dymond Harper) 10) Re: A new book to recommend by "Tarja Rainio" 11) Re: Misty's Music by Ned 12) Re: Iftel and the barrier by wdjpej-+AT+-ix.netcom.com (William Jones ) 13) Re: Star-eyed aspects by wdjpej-+AT+-ix.netcom.com (William Jones ) 14) RE: Kal'enedral by "Cecile S. Ueltschey" 15) Re: Reincarnation by RUNDLE-+AT+-wilma.bcasd.az.honeywell.com 16) RE: Reincarnation by nomib-+AT+-chem.psu.edu (Naomi) 17) Re: Re:(Non)Misty's Music by owl 18) survey results! by Catherine Osborne 19) Re: How many times aroud? (was RE: Kal'enedral) by "Aphrael" 20) "Xian" definition by Janet McKenzie 21) Re: Valdemar's Deity? by William Jones 22) Re: survey results! by "Cecile S. Ueltschey" 23) RE: Lake Evendim (was Re: Kal'enedral) by RUNDLE-+AT+-wilma.bcasd.az.honeywell.com 24) Re: MERCEDES-LACKEY digest 175 by s003yms-+AT+-desire.wright.edu 25) Re: wheelchairs by Saverte ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 18 Oct 95 19:13 CDT From: ristuben-+AT+-webstar.net (erik ristuben) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: A new book to recommend Message-ID: Regarding: > >so highly recomended is Gael Baudino. I didn't like her Dragonsword >>series at all, but Gossomer Axe was a vision, and her series about elves >>(Strands of Starlight, Maze of Moonlight, Shroud of Shadow, and Strands of >>Sunlight) are inspired. Has anyone else read these? I hate to depart any >>further from topic, but I truely LOVE these books and would love to hear >>some one else recomend them (or not). > >>And if you havn't read them, please try to give them a trial read. >>Admittedly, they're sometimes hard to find, but worth it! > >>Colette > This is a woman after my own heart! First Ofra Haza, now Gael! I do have a different opinion, however! (evil grin) If I didn't what would we all be doing here, anyway! I rank Gossamer Axe as definitely first, fer sure! Then the Elf series, then the Dragonsword Books, which I certainly liked, after forcing myself stubbornly through the first novel of the series. But after that last Elf book was published, I think Mirya must have spiked Gael's drink because "O Greenest Branch!" but poo-poo of the first degree! Please forgive if I tread on anyone's toes here, but a book more filled with blather and froth I have never read before! It makes Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy read like The Declaration of Independence! Gael, have an herbal tea and a smile and put that new style away! Firefly ristuben-+AT+-webstar.net ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 20:34:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Anne Cross To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: pagan survey Message-ID: On Wed, 18 Oct 1995, Adrienne York wrote: > On Tue, 17 Oct 1995, Catherine Osborne wrote: > > > friends are Xian or Jewish or muslim. (I know, i know, but its really > > What's Xian? Christian. The X is the greek letter "Chi" which is the first letter of Christ's name spelled in greek. Didn't you ever wonder where Xmas came from? (All the dross a pagan picks up in the process of becoming a pagan!) BTW, just to toss in some ML stuff -- I'm reading Sacred Ground, and I'm bothered/pleased by the ginormous chip Jennifer has on her shoulder. Bothered because it's something that bothers me -- anyone with a chip on their shoulder bothers me. Pleased because Misty made it real. Anybody else? ____________________________________________________________________________ | Anne Cross | "How many witches does it take | | juniper-+AT+-fledge.watson.org | to change a lightbulb?" | | http://www.watson.org/~juniper/ | "What do you want to change it into?" | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 17:52:26 -0800 From: gjuka-+AT+-cnw.com (Gjuka) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Book blurbs Message-ID: <9510190042.AA17178-+AT+-baker> >> >> >>On Wed, 18 Oct 1995, Mat Timmerman wrote: >> >>> paid $5.00, and gotten the silverless cover (can you believe it -- a >>> first print MPawn for only $.25!)]. > > > Funny story for you: when I was reading MP for the (mumble, >mumble)th time, I happened to be on a plane trip somewhere or other. As we >were boarding, I went through the metal detector.... So I dumped out >all my change, my Swiss Army knife, and my keys.... Ok, so I take >off my belt (metal buckle)... The zipper on my coat was plastic, so >I figured that wasn't it...so I dump my watch.... > > Finally they took me aside and wanded me. Turns out, there was a >bomb scare on and the sensitivity on the metal detectors was cranked up so >high that it was reacting to the silver coating on MP's cover! The >attendant had to open the book and flip through it to make sure that I >hadn't packed plastique between the pages or something, but after that they >let me go through. > > Dave >- who could probably think of six ways to smuggle explosives on a plane that >would work, and get's annoyed at stupid regulations that are inconvenient >and improperly enforced. Again, off subject, but I have a close friend in a wheelchair and I've noticed that no-one checks them at metal detectors. The chair obviously sets the thing off but no one actully looks. I guess they figure if you're in a wheelchair, you're harmless. But add on the fact that my friend had a wicked looking claw blade in her bag (I know they saw it, cause they gave her an odd look as her bag went through the x'ray) and a large stuffed leopard on her lap. I'd wonder, wouldn't you? On top of which, she's also a licenced gun smith, and could put a gun together from pieces hidden in her chair damn fast! I wonder how many people smuggle things in wheelchairs- it'd be so easy... oh well. -Colette gjuka-+AT+-cnw.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 21:58:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Mat Timmerman To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Book blurbs Message-ID: <01HWLN3T35IA8ZIHKQ-+AT+-vaxc.hofstra.edu> From: Amy Mason > >On Wed, 18 Oct 1995, Mat Timmerman wrote: > >> paid $5.00, and gotten the silverless cover (can you believe it -- a >> first print MPawn for only $.25!)]. > >Where? Can I buy it off of you? > >Amy :) Can you believe it was my local library!? I had seen Magic's Promise on the racks and all of LHM in the stores (at the time, ,though, i was young and had no money to actually _buy_ books :) ). I was interested, but I could never find Magic's Pawn in a library. Then, one day I walked in and saw it on the sale rack for only 25 cents! Over the years, I've gotten some pretty good deals at that library. I've gotten Magic's Price, Robert Jordan's _The Shadow Rising_ (hardcover, $.50), Stephen Donaldson's _A Man Rides Through_ (hc, $.50), and several of David Eddings' Belgariad/ Mallorean books (yes, I _do_ like those two series, the others stink, though.) Mat T. -- Mat Timmerman "They want to stop the ones who want accmjt-+AT+-hofstra.edu prosthetic foreheads on their heads. But mtimmerman1-+AT+-hofstra.edu everybody wants prosthetic foreheads on their real heads." -- They Might Be Giants ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 22:27:05 -0400 From: URAMESS-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Movie "Strange Days" Message-ID: <951018221336_127326420-+AT+-mail04.mail.aol.com> Ok, I know that I have another off topic post. I am sorry for this, but for those of you in the States.......... David, (my life partner) and I just came back from seeing this movie. WOW! I encourage everyone to go see it. I really want some people to talk to about this. Actuall my friends, and I do consider all on this list that so........... Go see this movie. It will be 2 and a half hours well spent. Remember BrainStorm. Same type of therory with the virtual thing only brought up to a much higher level. Go see it. Matt J ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 13:51:01 +1000 From: John Oliver To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: RE: Lake Evendim (was Re: Kal'enedral) Message-ID: <199510190351.NAA22689-+AT+-gass.cc.uow.edu.au> > As a certified SCUBA diver (albeit not having dived in years), I > would just like to say that I don't think any mage, no matter how powerful, > could cope with all the problems of deep-water search-and-recovery. At even > a piddly little 300 feet you have: > > 1) Lack of air > 2) Water pressure of 10 atmospheres (147 lbs/sqr. inch -- > not a problem if you are breathing compressed air so that internal/external > pressure balances, but a BIG problem otherwise) > 3) Nitrogen narcosis -- causing symptomps very similar to > drunkenness, including lack of judgement > 4) Oxygen poisoning -- at around that depth, oxygen actually > becomes toxic, and it is necessary to breathe a helium/oxygen mix > 5) Decompression sickness -- "the bends". Unless the mage > could remove nitrogen from his own bloodstream magically, he'd be virtually > assured of dying from an embolism (expansion of gas bubbles in the blood, > due to a sudden dropping of pressure) on the way up...most mages wouldn't > know to watch for this (I would assume) and would be dead or paralyzed > before they could react. > > Your pardon if I'm ranting, it's just that this topic interested me. > > Dave Yes but couldn't a mage create a shield? The water outside shield would be at high pressure and air inside the shield at normal pressure. John ******************************************************** * _--_|\ | jdo-+AT+-uow.edu.au * * / \ | That's the University of Wollongong * * \_.--\_* <-- Wollongong is a city of 200,000 about * * v | 100 km south of Sydney, Australia * ******************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 21:57:12 -0700 (PDT) From: "Kristin A. Ruhle" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: A new book to recommend Message-ID: <199510190457.AA10180-+AT+-foxtrot.rahul.net> > > > > On Wed, 18 Oct 1995, Gjuka wrote: > > > Actually (while we're off on a side topic) my new favorite author(even more > > than Misty) is Charles De Lint. I've loved everything so far that I've > > read by him. He uses a lot of myth, primarly celtic and Native American, > > and places many of his stories in modern settings. I really really > > recomend him to everyone, especially people who like that "old" feeling to > > their tales. > > I -love- Charles DeLint. _The Dreaming Place_ is one of my favorite > stories -- it did something to me when I read that book. I feel a lot > like Ashley sometimes. And so far everything else I've read by him has > made me like him even more. > > > Also highly recomended is Gael Baudino. I didn't like her Dragonsword > > series at all, but Gossomer Axe was a vision, and her series about elves > > (Strands of Starlight, Maze of Moonlight, Shroud of Shadow, and Strands of > > Sunlight) are inspired. > > Another set of books that do things to me! The Strands, Charles DeLint, > and The Last Herald Mage really do make me love reading. It's a shame > that there can be so much dross out there with the nifty covers and > nothing else. (Anything in the new Star Wars books, for example, or the > White Griffon.) > ____________________________________________________________________________ Seconded/thirded...De Lint is one of the best "urban fantasy" writers. I am currently 2/3 of the way through _Dreams Underfoot_, his short story cycle set in the fictional city of Newford. I also recommend his Ottawa fantasy stories such as _Yarrow_, _Moonheart_ and the sequel _Spiritwalk_. Even Firebird carries some de Lint. _Gossamer Axe_ is the only Baudino I have read, but it REALLY impressed me. Although it seems a little biased toward paganism (Irish Catholicism is NOT portrayed in a positive light! You could call it "toxic religion") its detailing of music and magic is wonderful. Actually, someone with a knowledge of music theory and harp music would probably get even more out of it than I did - I don't know an aeolian from an ionian... Kristin ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 23:12:08 -0600 From: Todd Fox To: "'mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk'" Subject: RE: Reincarnation Message-ID: <01BA9DAF.EAF6F240-+AT+-dialup3.tesser.com> ------ =_NextPart_000_01BA9DAF.EB001A00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Perhaps grove born companions are people other than heralds who were = considered "qualified" to be a companion, or else they are predestined = to be paired with a herald that has specific needs? ------ =_NextPart_000_01BA9DAF.EB001A00 Content-Type: application/ms-tnef Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 eJ8+IicFAQaQCAAEAAAAAAABAAEAAQeQBgAIAAAA5AQAAAAAAADoAAENgAQAAgAAAAIAAgABBJAG AGwBAAABAAAADAAAAAMAADADAAAACwAPDgAAAAACAf8PAQAAAGUAAAAAAAAAgSsfpL6jEBmdbgDd AQ9UAgAAAABtZXJjZWRlcy1sYWNrZXlAdmFueWVsLmhlcmFsZC5jby51awBTTVRQAG1lcmNlZGVz LWxhY2tleUB2YW55ZWwuaGVyYWxkLmNvLnVrAAAAAB4AAjABAAAABQAAAFNNVFAAAAAAHgADMAEA AAAkAAAAbWVyY2VkZXMtbGFja2V5QHZhbnllbC5oZXJhbGQuY28udWsAAwAVDAEAAAADAP4PBgAA AB4AATABAAAAJgAAACdtZXJjZWRlcy1sYWNrZXlAdmFueWVsLmhlcmFsZC5jby51aycAAAACAQsw AQAAACkAAABTTVRQOk1FUkNFREVTLUxBQ0tFWUBWQU5ZRUwuSEVSQUxELkNPLlVLAAAAAAMAADkA AAAACwBAOgEAAAACAfYPAQAAAAQAAAAAAAADgU8BCIAHABgAAABJUE0uTWljcm9zb2Z0IE1haWwu Tm90ZQAxCAEEgAEAEwAAAFJFOiBSZWluY2FybmF0aW9uIABeBgEFgAMADgAAAMsHCgASABcADAAI AAMAHAEBIIADAA4AAADLBwoAEgAXAAoAHgADADABAQmAAQAhAAAAMkM2Qjc2MTk5MjA5Q0YxMUEw RDc0NDQ1NTM1NDAwMDAA0QYBA5AGAJACAAASAAAACwAjAAAAAAADACYAAAAAAAsAKQAAAAAAAwA2 AAAAAABAADkAYFqFcOGdugEeAHAAAQAAABMAAABSRTogUmVpbmNhcm5hdGlvbiAAAAIBcQABAAAA FgAAAAG6neFwhRl2ay0JkhHPoNdERVNUAAAAAB4AHgwBAAAABQAAAFNNVFAAAAAAHgAfDAEAAAAQ AAAAdGZveEB0ZXNzZXIuY29tAAMABhBqL9zyAwAHEKAAAAAeAAgQAQAAAGUAAABQRVJIQVBTR1JP VkVCT1JOQ09NUEFOSU9OU0FSRVBFT1BMRU9USEVSVEhBTkhFUkFMRFNXSE9XRVJFQ09OU0lERVJF RCJRVUFMSUZJRUQiVE9CRUFDT01QQU5JT04sT1JFTFNFAAAAAAIBCRABAAAAIAEAABwBAACWAQAA TFpGdWNVgdT/AAoBDwIVAqgF6wKDAFAC8gkCAGNoCsBzZXQyNwYABsMCgzIDxQIAcHJCcRHic3Rl bQKDM/cC5AcTAoB9CoAIzwnZAoAHCoENsQtgbmcxMDM/FFALChRRC/EDMAGRIFAbBJARgHAEIAnA b3Zl7iAG4AShBaBtCrADAAIgxwQgCsAacHBlbwtQGnDob3RoBJAgHFADkRxhxQdAZAQgd2hvHWAE kB8acAWgAIEEgQmAICJxznUHQAaQCJBkIhyQHZBqYhpwYRrYLBwwBcBl5mwRsByRZXkbhBYRB5De dAuAHoEfdAqwaR5yA/B/HFAfwRz0HJIFQBGABCBzZRvQYx8BYyAiMAmAcxY/CoUVMQAmUAMAEBAA AAAAAwAREAAAAABAAAcwIHsMNuGdugFAAAgwIHsMNuGdugEeAD0AAQAAAAUAAABSRTogAAAAAOac ------ =_NextPart_000_01BA9DAF.EB001A00-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 10:13:06 +0100 From: mel (Melanie Dymond Harper) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: wheelchairs Message-ID: <9510190913.AA08945-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk> > Again, off subject, but I have a close friend in a wheelchair and I've > noticed that no-one checks them at metal detectors. The chair obviously > sets the thing off but no one actully looks. I guess they figure if you're > in a wheelchair, you're harmless. But add on the fact that my friend had a > wicked looking claw blade in her bag (I know they saw it, cause they gave > her an odd look as her bag went through the x'ray) and a large stuffed > leopard on her lap. I'd wonder, wouldn't you? On top of which, she's also > a licenced gun smith, and could put a gun together from pieces hidden in > her chair damn fast! I wonder how many people smuggle things in > wheelchairs- it'd be so easy... There're a couple of places I've seen wheelchairs used to hide things in fiction; one's in Ben Elton's book "Gridlock", where one of the main characters is a paraplegic and has her wheelchair rigged up with weaponry (!) and the other was .... um .... I _think_ it was in the Inspector Morse TV series; someone was smuggling drugs in a wheelchair. (If you've never heard of, read or seen any of the Inspector Morse books/TV shows, you are missing out, big time :)) Mel. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 13:04:27 EET DST From: "Tarja Rainio" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: A new book to recommend Message-ID: On Tue, 17 Oct 1995 22:32:53 -0800 Gjuka (gjuka-+AT+-cnw.com) wrote: >Actually (while we're off on a side topic) my new favorite author(even >more than Misty) is Charles De Lint. I've loved everything so far that I've >read by him. He uses a lot of myth, primarly celtic and Native American, >and places many of his stories in modern settings. I really really >recomend him to everyone, especially people who like that "old" feeling to >their tales. But I have to admit, I havn't read anything by him that has >captured me as much as Misty's Last Herald Mage Trillogy. > >Also highly recomended is Gael Baudino. I didn't like her Dragonsword >series at all, but Gossomer Axe was a vision, and her series about elves >(Strands of Starlight, Maze of Moonlight, Shroud of Shadow, and Strands >of Sunlight) are inspired. Has anyone else read these? I hate to depart >any further from topic, but I truely LOVE these books and would love to >hear some one else recomend them (or not). I completely agree with both your recommendations. Charles DeLint has been one of my favourite authors since I first read _Yarrow_. Since then, I've tried to get all of his works, if at all possible. Gael Baudino is not that great a favourite, but the elves series is beautiful. I haven't yet read the last part, but I've got it waiting on the "books-not-yet-read" shelf =). I also liked _Gossamer Axe_, but didn't even want to look at the Dragonsword books, since they seemed so generic. But do look out these both authors' works. Tarja ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 07:43:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Ned To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Misty's Music Message-ID: On Wed, 18 Oct 1995 RUNDLE-+AT+-wilma.bcasd.az.honeywell.com wrote: > I have LL&L, and Quest of the Dream Warrior. Quest is good, if you like > a slow melodic type of song (which I do, sometimes). LL&L has been > discussed already. Quest makes great background music, and it's very > relaxing. It's *not* rockin' music though! There's a Misty "story" Quick question for anyone else who has QuestotDW: Does anyone else think that when the tempo changes about 2 minutes into the 1st song (Talis the Mesenger, I think) it sounds a lot like Pink Floyd? Or am I just utterly insane for thinking this? Zhai'helleva Ned Ned Adams aka S. Baldrick Sometimes it is better to light a sbaldric-+AT+-roanoke.infi.net flamethrower than to curse the darkness (540) 890-0212 (T. Pratchett) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 05:03:13 -0700 From: wdjpej-+AT+-ix.netcom.com (William Jones ) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Iftel and the barrier Message-ID: <199510191203.FAA28779-+AT+-ix10.ix.netcom.com> You wrote: > >Perhaps it's the scientist in me coming out, but I have always thought of >Iftel as a kind of isolation chamber or incubator--something is happening >in there that is important and the Windlords *will not tolerate* any >interference. When Ancar tried to insist, they/it took stronger measures. > >I am very curious. I was convinced that the Winds trilogy would have >Elspeth going to Iftel. (and while I liked the stories, I am still >peculiarly disappointed that we don't know much about "strange, >isolationist Iftel". The Shin'a'in were isolationist, and look what they >were hiding! > >Kathy Covert (kcovert-+AT+-wvnvm.wvnet.edu) >Chemistry Department >West Virginia University >(304)293-3068 x4442 I think that Iftel is Mercedes fallback... She has kept it a secret to make all of her fans curious, and once she has run out of storylines dealing with the countries we DO know it gives her a completely new realm to work with... - Shadow-Lover A sociopath with no restraints can become anything... Ammorality frees her to be universally perfect, a charming chamelion with a scorpion's tail... - Color of Night ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 05:32:02 -0700 From: wdjpej-+AT+-ix.netcom.com (William Jones ) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Star-eyed aspects Message-ID: <199510191232.FAA08523-+AT+-ix8.ix.netcom.com> You wrote: > >>>On Thu, 5 Oct 1995, David K. Storrs wrote (among other things not quoted here) >>> >>>> -- Not to start a new thread or anything, but does anyone else out there >>>> have/enjoy Misty's music/filk in general? >> >> >>Yes, yes and double yes. Anyone else out there moved to tears by the entire >>cd "Shadowstalker" ? Although almost a year late in the production, >>Firebird Arts & Music delivered the promised release into my sweaty little >>hands and it's been love ever since! The song "Shadowlover" and "Windrider >>Unchained" are two of the most hauntingly beautiful songs I've ever had the >>pleasure of hearing. Misty and crew....Bravissimo! >> >>Firefly > > >Yes, I loved Shadowstalker, I think it's my favorite, but i'm hard pressed >between that and By the Sword. Does any one know if Lovers Lore and Loss or >Quest of the Dream Warrior are worth getting? I'm particularly curious >about the last. Anyone heard that one yet? Clues as to what it's about? > >Colette > > >gjuka-+AT+-cnw.com > I was moved beyond tears to Shadow-Stalker... I was dissappoited in what Mercedes did with Magic's Price... I imagined it to be a darker tune seeing as how depressed Stefen was when he wrote it... It was his last Ode to Vanyel.. Everything else was beyond words... Hawkbrother, Shadow-Lover, and Windrider Unchained were beyond that... (Do you know how hard it is to cry and sing at the same time?) As for Lovers Lore and Loss... GET IT AS SOON AS YOU POSSIBLY CAN!!! This is one that as soon as you get it you'll curse yourself for not using second day air! The melodies have gotten infinatly more complex since Heralds, Harpers, and Havok... They sound a lot like those of Shadow Stalker and By the Sword, but with a ring to them.. Margie Butler's Bodhran is incredible... Shadeen has replaced Mercedes as queen Selenay... "The Price of the Crown" and "Battle Dawn" will move you to tears (and for those with a depressive personality, probably to the edge of a cliff :) You can just feel the sorrow and anger in Selenay's voice... I've put the lyrics to "the Price of the Crown" at the end of this.... Coming home and Maidens Hope tell a happier side of Talia than that shown in HH&H.. and Cecilia Eng does a wonderful job as Princess Elspeth.... *sigh* Shadow Stalker is still my favorite, but By the Sword and Lovers Lore and Loss are pulling a close second... - Shadow-Lover The stars are very beautiful above the palace walls They shine with equal splendour still above far humbler halls I watch them from my window and their bright entrancing glow Reminds me of the freedom I gave up so long ago The royal circlet of bright gold rests lightly on my brow I once thought only of the rights this circlet would endow But once I took the crown for which I had been schooled and bred I found it heavy on the heart though light upon the head For all I am the head of state in truth I am the least The true queen knows her people fed before she sits to feast The good queen knows her people safe before she takes her rest Thinks twice and thrice and yet again before she makes requests For they are all my children, all I have sworn to defend And it's my duty to become both queen and trusted friend But of all my children high and low, from beggar to above The dearest are my heralds who return my gift with love The dearest are my heralds, swift to spring to my command Who give me aid and fellowship, who always understand That land and people first have needs that I cannot deny So I must send my dearest out to danger and to die A friend, a love, a child it matter not I know indeed That I must sacrifice them all if there should be the need They know, and they forgive me doing more than I require With willing minds and loving hearts, go straight to grasp the fire These tears that burn my eyes are all the tears a queen can shed These tears I weep in silence as I mourne my heralds dead Oh gods that dwell beyond the stars if you can hear my cry And if you have compassion... Let me send no more to die... -Price of the Crown *sob* ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 08:10:27 -0500 (CDT) From: "Cecile S. Ueltschey" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: RE: Kal'enedral Message-ID: On Wed, 18 Oct 1995, Jennifer S. Broekman wrote: > Cecile S. Ueltschey wrote: > >But was Florian born (as in foaled)?? Could he be Grove-born?? > > Two arguments against Florian being anything but foaled. 1) In the > only case we know of where the Heralds didn't know that a Companion > was Grove-born, Misty showed the readers that she was, immediately > (Gwena). It wasn't hidden or left a mystery. 2) Florian introduces > another Companion as his sister. The simplest explanation is that > they share the same Companion parent(s). > Good points. I thought I'd throw out the line of speculation because it seemed to me that he just sort of "appeared" from nowhere, as it were. Of course that was from OUR perspective, and we certainly don't know every Companion in the Field! Cecile ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 6:51:28 -0600 (MDT) From: RUNDLE-+AT+-wilma.bcasd.az.honeywell.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Reincarnation Message-ID: <951019065128.22405d05-+AT+-wilma.bcasd.az.honeywell.com> >Plus WE are priviledged to witness her arrival in the Grove when Rolan >called her. We follow Talia and Elspeth, their memories are altered, >but ours are not (I think! ) >Cecile Grove born? Hmm no, I distinctly remember the night Gwena was born. Yup, I was on foal watch and... wait a minute! Andras, stop that! My companions messing with my memories again. Darn it. I'm going to go have a talk with him about that. StarWolf ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 10:54:40 -0400 From: nomib-+AT+-chem.psu.edu (Naomi) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: RE: Reincarnation Message-ID: <199510191454.KAA12532-+AT+-portal.chem.psu.edu> I can remember reading the spot where Gwenna calls Sayvil Savil (or something like that. I was looking for it last night, and couldn't find it anywhere. Can anyone give me the spot (book, chapter)? Thanks Naomi ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 13:27:51 EST From: owl To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Re:(Non)Misty's Music Message-ID: <65754B1D-+AT+-main.rmwc.edu> I would really suggest getting the Wolfstone, if I were you Ned. The Chase or the other one who's name I can't remember, but I would wait on Year of the Dog (IMHO, it wasn't as good as the first two). And definitely listen to Thistle and Shamrock and if you can afford it get their newsletter ($20US ?) that gives their playlists. Your NPR (National Public Radio) station should be in the upper 80's or low 90's on the FM dial. And if you ever get the chance to see Wolfstone live.....TAKE IT!! Owl "I never let my schooling interfere with my education" Mark Twain ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 14:42:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine Osborne To: mercedes lackey list Subject: survey results! Message-ID: Ok, let's begin with some caveats. First, only 35 of the many people on this list responded. Second, someone (sorry forget who) reminded me that more pagans would be likely to respond than non-pagans. Therefore, the results are necessarily somewhat skewed. (Oh, and btw, Xian is just an abbrevation of "Christian." I'm sorry about that, I guess its just a more commonly known thing among the others I correspond with.) However, even allowing for this, I think the results are pretty significant. We had 14 self-described pagans (many of these called themselves Wiccan, some others said another path or eclectic or unsure, but pagan), there were 4 atheists/agnostics, 2 Roman Catholics, three Jews (inc. one Orthodox specified), three Christians from other sects, five people who simply said "non-pagan" and did not specify anything else, three people who said they weren't pagan or anything else but felt there was a spiritual force of some kind in the universe (I called these people "spiritualists") and one self-described "Zen Episcopalian with strong Wiccan leanings" (he doesn't really know what it means either ;). By the numbers (and remember, percentages are only out of respondants): Pagan 14 40% Atheist/Agnostic 4 11.4% Roman Catholic 2 5.7% Jewish 3 8.6% Other Christian 3 8.6% Non-Pagan 5 14.3% Spiritualist 3 8.6% ZEW 1 2.9% Pagan 14 40% Non-Pagan 21 60% I've really enjoyed reading people's responses (some of them were quite long and I wrote back and we discussed philosophy ;) Thanks to everyone who responded... Oh yeah. Forgot. I wanted to mention that nearly every non-pagan expressed some sort of tolerance sentiment. (Along the lines of "There is no one true way, and I really believe that.") That was nice folks. Ok, now I'm really going. See you later... I\/ Catherine Osborne "After great pain, I\/ Sundancer a formal feeling comes." I cosborne-+AT+-sidwell.edu --Emily Dickinson I http://www.sidwell.edu/~cosborne/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 15:32:18 EST From: "Aphrael" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: How many times aroud? (was RE: Kal'enedral) Message-ID: >Anyone but Savil, Jaysen, or Vanyel? My current pet theory is (drum >roll)... > >Randale's father. Hmmm. Good theory. But what about Kris? reasoning in the STORM RISING SPOILER below..... Remember, all it really says is that the Herald Karal sees with his momentary double vision was tall, thin, and dark haired. Granted, there's no name similarity to back me on this one, but I think it's a possibility. I don't see Kris being patient enough to wait around a couple of centuries before he comes back, anyway. :) Lyn Lyn Belzer * P.O. Box 234 St. Bonaventure, NY 14778 * 716/379-3034 ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* Then as an Angell, face and wings/Of aire, not pure as it, yet pure doth weare,/So thy love may be my loves sphere;/Just such disparitie/As is twixt Air and Angells puritie,/T'wixt womens love, and mens will ever bee. -John Donne, from "Aire and Angells" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Oct 1995 08:41:19 +1200 From: Janet McKenzie To: MERCEDES-LACKEY-+AT+-herald.co.uk Cc: Janet.McKenzie-+AT+-vuw.ac.nz Subject: "Xian" definition Message-ID: <00998250.4AB6BA8C.151-+AT+-matai.vuw.ac.nz> Xian = Christian For those of us who were taught any Greek or picked it up some other way it's simply shorthand. The "X" is as close as the standard keyboard can come to the greek letter chi. Imagine that the stroke from the top left to bottom right has little curlicules on the ends, kind of /\ / and that the other stroke is also somewhat curved. \/ / \ / \/ Chi is the first letter in the name Christ when spelt in Greek and has been extensively used in Christian symbolism eg the chi rho, the one that looks like a p with a cross through the tail. I assume that this is also the origin of the abbreviation Xmas. I hope that answers the question, and that you're not too disappointed that ther's not some new undiscovered group too explore ;-) Janet McKenzie New Zealand PS I guess that this could also be seen as an answer to the survey, yes I'm a Christian and activley involved in my local Methodist/Presbyterian church. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 05:08:23 -0700 From: William Jones To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Valdemar's Deity? Message-ID: <199510191208.FAA22296-+AT+-ix2.ix.netcom.com> You wrote: >Didn't the Shin'a'in and the Kaled'a'in spring from the >same place? The Shin'a'in and the Tale'edras both are decendents of the Kaled'a'in... The tale of how and why they split is told in the Winds trilogy... Both had considered the Kaled'a'in a dead race until very recently... Could there be a reason for their return? I think so... - Shadow-Lover A sociopath with no restraints can become anything... Ammorality frees her to be universally perfect, a charming chamelion with a scorpion's tail... -Color of Night ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 15:57:45 -0500 (CDT) From: "Cecile S. Ueltschey" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: survey results! Message-ID: On Thu, 19 Oct 1995, Catherine Osborne wrote: > By the numbers (and remember, percentages are only out of respondants): > > Pagan 14 40% > Atheist/Agnostic 4 11.4% > Roman Catholic 2 5.7% > Jewish 3 8.6% > Other Christian 3 8.6% > Non-Pagan 5 14.3% > Spiritualist 3 8.6% > ZEW 1 2.9% > > Pagan 14 40% > Non-Pagan 21 60% > Wow, what a diverse group we are! Thanks, Catherine, for the survey and compiling the results. Now, what characteristics shall we survey next?? I'd like to say that I do enjoy being a part of this group. Zhai'helleva, everyone! Cecile ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 14:54:03 -0600 (MDT) From: RUNDLE-+AT+-wilma.bcasd.az.honeywell.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: RE: Lake Evendim (was Re: Kal'enedral) Message-ID: <951019145403.224036ad-+AT+-wilma.bcasd.az.honeywell.com> >Yes but couldn't a mage create a shield? The water outside shield would >be at high pressure and air inside the shield at normal pressure. But then the mage would need to know about pressure, the bends, etc. Most of 'em would die before learning anything or retrieving anything. The only way to find out about pressure and such is to sacrifice some minions in your air bubble - it's fairly obvious to anyone who can swim, presumably including some mages, that you need air to breathe underwater. The rest would need to be established with trial and error, and frankly, you'd probably run out of minions before you retrieved anything useful from the bottom of the lake. Just an opinion. However, nothing prevents the mage from creating a waterbreathing fish-animal pelagirs type creature that could retrieve things for him/her. So that must be guarded against somehow. Nessie perhaps? StarWolf ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 18:13:26 -0500 (EST) From: s003yms-+AT+-desire.wright.edu To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: MERCEDES-LACKEY digest 175 Message-ID: IFTEL> if the windlords is their god doesnt that imply a relationship to the goddess kethry talked about ? IMHO i think there are only two real gods in valdemar...the godess of the shin'a'in and the sunlord...maybe why Karal was the only one who could pass the protections is that Vkandis is god in that land as well.....just another of his aspects KALENEDRAL> Coleen i think you have hit it right onn the head....i remember that quote but i also remember a quote from her (i think in WOF) about her wanting to ask some of her sword sworn to take on the form of a warsteed...if anyone remembers where this is exactly please let me know just wondering why im recieving this list as 1 huge letter now instead of several like i used to...much preferred it the other way... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 16:51:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Saverte To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: wheelchairs Message-ID: Well, not to put a fine point on it but..... I work in the airline industry, and while I cannot go into details, there is a lot more going on that just going through a metal detector. Also keep in mind, a person taking a wheelchair on board a plane, at least with the airline I am involved with, can only be collapsible, and you have to use the airline wheelchair to board the plane. There are numerous opportunities, and safeguards that you will never see, much less be aware of. I am by no means saying the sytem is without its problems, but it is also not as bad as many make it out to be. Scott ------------------------------ End of MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 182 *********************************