MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 193 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: A new book to recommend by Mat Timmerman 2) Re: Sexism and romance in SF&F (minor SR spoiler) by Mat Timmerman 3) Re: Conflict by mel (Melanie Dymond Harper) 4) Re: A new book to recommend by Tammy Harris 5) Re: growing out of books by Mat Timmerman 6) Re: A new book to recommend by nomib-+AT+-chem.psu.edu (Naomi) 7) Re: A new book to recommend by Jean Morrill 8) Re: Conflict by Catherine Osborne 9) Re: Too Dim Villains (was Re: Tremane) by Jennifer Broekman 10) Re: Authors by David 11) Re: Sexism and romance in SF&F (minor SR spoiler) by Jennifer Broekman 12) Re: Sexism and romance in SF&F (minor SR spoiler) by Jennifer Broekman 13) Re: A new book to recommend by Jennifer Broekman 14) Re: Conflict by mel (Melanie Dymond Harper) 15) Re: A new book to recommend by nomib-+AT+-chem.psu.edu (Naomi) 16) Re: Too Dim Villains and a recommendation by Amy Mason 17) Re: Sexism and romance in SF&F (minor SR spoiler) by Amy Mason 18) Re: A new book to recommend by Jean Morrill 19) Re: Authors by ristuben-+AT+-webstar.net (erik ristuben) 20) Re: Anne McCaffrey by ristuben-+AT+-webstar.net (erik ristuben) 21) Re: Too Dim Villains and a recommendation by ristuben-+AT+-webstar.net (erik ristuben) 22) Re: Too Dim Villains (was Re: Tremane) by ristuben-+AT+-webstar.net (erik ristuben) 23) Re: A new book to recommend by ristuben-+AT+-webstar.net (erik ristuben) 24) Re: A new book to recommend by ristuben-+AT+-webstar.net (erik ristuben) 25) Re: A new book to recommend by gjuka-+AT+-cnw.com (Gjuka) 26) Re: Conflict by gjuka-+AT+-cnw.com (Gjuka) 27) RE: A new book to recommend by gjuka-+AT+-cnw.com (Gjuka) 28) Re: A new book to recommend by gjuka-+AT+-cnw.com (Gjuka) 29) Re: Sexism and romance in SF&F (minor SR spoiler) by Jennifer Broekman 30) Re: Authors by Jennifer Broekman ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 11:04:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Mat Timmerman To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: A new book to recommend Message-ID: <01HWXKZQB4V89359B0-+AT+-vaxc.hofstra.edu> From: CHONNI >Anyways, if you like Elizabeth Moon (I do too), then definately read >_Freedom's Landing_. The main character reminded me of Sassinak. Also, >try _The Powers that Be_ series; I forget who McCaffrey wrote them with, >but I liked them alot! It was Elizabeth Ann Scarborough. And I liked them a lot too. Right now, I'm reading _Crystal Singer_. For some reason, it reminds me of _Powers That Be_. I guess it's the whole beautiful, talented woman on initially inhospitable planet thing. :) Mat T. -- Mat Timmerman accmjt-+AT+-vaxc.hofstra.edu "I don't care what you smell, just get in there." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 11:08:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Mat Timmerman To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Sexism and romance in SF&F (minor SR spoiler) Message-ID: <01HWXL3ISHNE9359B0-+AT+-vaxc.hofstra.edu> From: mealink-+AT+-syd.au.swissbank.com (Kerry Mealing) :Sanna Koulu wrote: :> Julie Vaux wrote: :> Have we seen _any_ gays on Pern? I can't remember a single one, but :> then again, it's a long time since I read the stuff. What if the :> DRAGONS themselves are homophobic? Or, since male dragons choose male :> riders, are they actually gay on some level? Remember the sex :> overtones to some Herald/Companion bonds, like Talia & Rolan... : Yes, it's strongly implied (and I think that Anne has said so straight out), that most of the green and blue riders are gay. : Not Pern precisely, but Anne isn't averse to them presumably, :at least lesbians - witness Clodhie (sp? Sean's sister) in 'Powers that Be' :and sequal. : No, Clodah is the shanachie (wise woman). The lesbians are Clodah's sister, dang can't remember her name, and Sean's sister Sinead. Mat T. -- posting my off-topic butt off today :) -- Mat Timmerman accmjt-+AT+-vaxc.hofstra.edu "I don't care what you smell, just get in there." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 16:04:51 GMT From: mel (Melanie Dymond Harper) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Conflict Message-ID: <9510271604.AA03954-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk> > Lucky you, footnotes aren't really used anymore. Instead, internal > citatation is used. It goes something like this: > > "I hate the mechanics of appending footnotes. Intrusive little buggers, > at the foot of the page (Jacob-McDowell, p2)." > > Then, you add a page of "Works Cited" with all the bibliographic info. _One_ page? Hmph. You should be so lucky. Mel, whose thesis had four pages of references. :) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 11:15:26 -0500 From: Tammy Harris To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: A new book to recommend Message-ID: <4310F9C6BB0-+AT+-medicine.dmed.iupui.edu> > > Anything, I repeat *anything* by Patricia Kennealy (later: Patricia > Kennealy-Morrison) is *fantastic*. It's sci-fi/fantasy (heavy on the > fantasy) with an Arthurian twist. > > > Kaatje > > I definitely second this recommendation!! I thought these were great! I also recommend Jennifer Roberson's Cheysuli series. Like the Valdemar books, these invaded my dreams at night, and I couldn't quite seem to leave her universe. The series is about a race of shapechangers (the Cheysuli). It's an eight book series, beginning with _Shapechangers_. Tammy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 13:22:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Mat Timmerman To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: growing out of books Message-ID: <01HWXPP34GIA935G0P-+AT+-vaxc.hofstra.edu> >From: Mat Timmerman > >>On Thu, 26 Oct 1995, Jellicle Cats Come Out Tonight! wrote: >>> (Re: Pern) I think, >>> however, that I grew out of it. Or maybe I just burned out. :) > >>Very good point. Look at almost anything by Piers Anthony (except the >>Incarnations of Immortality series -- I love most of that). When I >>was thirteen, I _loved_ Xanth. Now, seeing how many of them are sitting >>on my bookshelf makes almost makes me nauseous. > >IMHO, Xanth hasn't gotten old...it's just gotten BAD. I've reread the first >couple fairly recently and still love them...but I picked up a copy of >_Harpy Thyme_ in Joseph-Beth the other day and sat on the floor reading it >for about ten minutes. That's all I could stand. *sigh* For a while I was >borrowing new ones from people just to see what happened with characters I >liked, but they were all so hideous I gave up. The last one I actually >liked was _Isle of View,_ and the last one I liked a lot was _Dragon on a >Pedestal_ (which was, btw, the first Xanth book I read). True, but even the older stuff doesn't have nearly as much appeal. Now, _A Spell for Chameleon_ kind of bores me. You're right though. After _Isle of View_ the quality *really* drops off. One of my favorites is still _A Man From Mundania_, since it's the first one that I read. Mat T. -- I'm afraid that mentioning Piers Anthony and David Eddings within two days may bring you know who after me. Oh, the horror! :) -- Mat Timmerman accmjt-+AT+-vaxc.hofstra.edu "I don't care what you smell, just get in there." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 13:42:12 -0400 From: nomib-+AT+-chem.psu.edu (Naomi) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: A new book to recommend Message-ID: <199510271742.NAA21093-+AT+-portal.chem.psu.edu> >>As a matter of fact....IMHO Holly Lisle is an up and coming author worth >>reading. She collaborated with Misty for When the Bough Breaks > >A big second to the recommendation of Holly Lisle. Minerva Wakes is a >great stand-alone nove. The whole Faia trilogy is great. And yes, I did >say trilogy. The order is > >_Fire in the Mist_ -- intro of Faia >_Bones of the Past_ -- mostly about Medwind Song >_Mind of the Magic_ -- deals with the glowing figure at the end of BotP >I haven't been able to bring myself the read _Malls, Mayhem, and Magic_ >(or something like that). It sounds just too cheesy. I thought Fire in the Mist was OK/prety good. The other two weren't as good, I wouldn't really recomend them. I liked Minerva Wakes a lot. It has some great sceens. I think her work is getting better. I haven't seen Malls, Mayhem and Magic yet, but I'll look for it. The back of Minerva Wakes made it look cheesy too, and I avoided it for a while, but it is worth reading. Naomi ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 10:46:10 -0700 From: Jean Morrill To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: A new book to recommend Message-ID: <199510271746.KAA06106-+AT+-rain.hwr.arizona.edu> > > Here is another author that I have not seen mentioned: > Tamora Pierce and her Song of the Lioness quartet. It starts off with > Alanna: The First Adventure. A set of twins, boy and girl, are being > shipped off to become a knight and sorceress respectively. They look a > lot alike and switch places, each going with their own preferences. The > first is a good early adolescent adventure, but the stories mature as > Alanna does. I gave them to my niece when she was about 10 to combat the > Baby Sitter's club and she loved them. > > Others are In the Hand of the Goddess, The Woman who Rides like a Man, > and Lioness Rampant. Also a follow-up series (The Immortals) in the works: consists so far of "Wild Magic", "Wolf-Speaker", and "The Emperor Mage". Starts at least 10 years after the first series ends. I think Tamora Pierce's writing is maturing, too. Jean ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 15:14:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine Osborne To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Conflict Message-ID: On Fri, 27 Oct 1995, Melanie Dymond Harper wrote: > Mel, whose thesis had four pages of references. :) What was your thesis on? ;) I\/ Catherine Osborne "After great pain, I\/ Sundancer a formal feeling comes." I cosborne-+AT+-sidwell.edu --Emily Dickinson I http://www.sidwell.edu/~cosborne/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 15:21:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Jennifer Broekman To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Too Dim Villains (was Re: Tremane) Message-ID: On Fri, 27 Oct 1995, Stacy Hunt DuVall wrote: > >Han Solo- he had the nicest butt. > >colette > Hee, hee, and its still not too bad :-) To continue the shallow comments: Harrison Ford's ass is a good reason to watch almost any movie.:-) (Second to Val Kilmer's, of course...) -jenneke jsb-+AT+-phantom.com new .sig in development ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 19:24:26 BST From: David To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Authors Message-ID: Marion Zimmer Bradley is one of my other favourite authors as well. The problem is that only the "free amazons" stuff seems to be coming out and Marion is seemingly concentrating on other writing. Not that I dislike the Free Amazons, but rather that I wish she'd see fit to explore other periods in Darkover history. David. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 15:31:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Jennifer Broekman To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Sexism and romance in SF&F (minor SR spoiler) Message-ID: On Fri, 27 Oct 1995, Kimber Brumbaugh wrote: > Just to reply to this point... There are homosexuals in McCaffrey's > Dragonriders books- I know I remember reading comments about making sure > when they send groups of dragonriders off to various places that they are > making sure to send along males for some of the blue/green/etc riders > that prefer males. Homosexual characters are mentioned in at least _Moreta_ and "The Second Weyr". > them. Also, since the green dragons are female and since the dragons > have such a profound effect on their riders during mating, I was > wondering if a lot of the green riders would have to be homosexual or at > least bisexual- or can both dragon riders involved choose other people > and not each other at this time? In the books, it's pretty clear that when dragons mate, their riders mate, and preferences are pretty much irrelevant. However, when some roleplayers of chromatic dragons got upset at the idea that they'd have to roleplay having had sex with members of the same gender if their dragons ever mated and asked Anne directly, she didn't have the courage to say, yes, draconic lust overwhelms human proclivities. Instead, she copped out and said that 'substitutes' of the appropriate gender could be at hand. I still don't buy it, and I don't know many riders of green dragons who would let a player unwilling to roleplay the emotional consequences (even waking up and running away) catch their dragon. It should be noted that when Anne started Pern, greens were not female. All chromatics were neuter and only the metallics mated at all. This saved F'nor from falling prey to her image of bisexuals... -jenneke, who not only isn't Mel, but has never met Mel face-to-face (not that I wouldn't want to, but there's that pesky ocean in the way...) jsb-+AT+-phantom.com new .sig in development ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 15:37:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Jennifer Broekman To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Sexism and romance in SF&F (minor SR spoiler) Message-ID: On Fri, 27 Oct 1995, Sanna Koulu wrote: > Julie Vaux wrote: > > After 2000 years surely some bisexual males would have been > > chosen by bronzes or browns since homosexuality or bisexuality > > doesnt inhibit leadership skills - I get the impression browns > > and bronzes pick "alpha" males cos of their own pack structure??? Actually, Anne thinks non-heterosexuality *does* inhibit leadership qualities. She's said this in response to this very question... -jenneke jsb-+AT+-phantom.com new .sig in development ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 15:50:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Jennifer Broekman To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: A new book to recommend Message-ID: On Fri, 27 Oct 1995, Tammy Harris wrote: > great! I also recommend Jennifer Roberson's Cheysuli series. Like > the Valdemar books, these invaded my dreams at night, and I couldn't > quite seem to leave her universe. The series is about a race of > shapechangers (the Cheysuli). It's an eight book series, beginning > with _Shapechangers_. Just to add a different perspective, I *hated* these books. As far as I'm concerned, the plot was trite (individually highly-talented woman overcomes sexist restrictions while finding the man of her dreams by being kidnapped and forced into the role of prophecied savior) and the characters flat. As MZB says in one of her introductions, we've gotten past the point where simply having a female character succeed in a sexist society is interesting. Give me something that *doesn't* start from the assumption that women who aren't exceptional should stay in their place, cooking and cleaning and waiting on their man... I also didn't like more than first book of the SwordSingers books. The short stories and the first book make it look like the woman is the main character and she's just using an interesting storytelling device by using the pov of the male character, but in the second book, she kills the female character off, because, after all, she wasn't a Good Woman because she dared to go off and leave her child behind to avenge her family and then want to come back and have some part in the kid's life, instead of resigning herself properly to being asexual because she chose a non-stereotypical role for herself. I was really disappointed by these novels because her short stories are good and don't show the sexism... I don't even want to *hear* about what Roberson did to the Robin Hood/Maid Marian story. -jenneke jsb-+AT+-phantom.com new .sig in development ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 20:39:57 GMT From: mel (Melanie Dymond Harper) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Conflict Message-ID: <9510272039.AA15587-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk> > What was your thesis on? ;) "Barker Arrays: Existence, And Alternatives". You're none the wiser, are you? :) (It probably doesn't help much that the title is eluding me. But rest assured it was 154 pages of horribly convoluted mathematics, including at least one page-long equation, about thirty pages of monumentally tedious tables, the aforementioned four pages of references, and more sigma signs than you could shake a stick at. Does anyone suffer from insomnia? Mel. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 17:17:17 -0400 From: nomib-+AT+-chem.psu.edu (Naomi) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: A new book to recommend Message-ID: <199510272117.RAA12895-+AT+-portal.chem.psu.edu> >Also a follow-up series (The Immortals) in the works: consists so far of >"Wild Magic", "Wolf-Speaker", and "The Emperor Mage". Starts at least 10 >years after the first series ends. I think Tamora Pierce's writing is >maturing, too. > Does anyone know how to get these books in paperback? I was looking in two net bookstores and they had them in hardback, and one that might have been a trade paperback ($15.95). Naomi ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 14:17:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Amy Mason To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Too Dim Villains and a recommendation Message-ID: On Fri, 27 Oct 1995, Alison Schiff wrote: > > >Regarding: > > >What do you like to see in a "good" villan? > > > One book that I just finished that had a wonderful villan was "Fifth Quarter" > by Tanya Huff. This is the sequel to "Sing the Four Quarters" (don't remember > much about that villan). Has anybody else read these? I heartily > recommend them, esp. "Fifth Quarter" > > Alison Schiff (new) > schiff-+AT+-trenton.edu I've read "Sing the Four Quarters" and I throughly enjoyed it. I would recommend it. I was personally unaware of the sequel though, I'll look into that. Amy :) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 14:27:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Amy Mason To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Sexism and romance in SF&F (minor SR spoiler) Message-ID: On Fri, 27 Oct 1995, Jennifer Broekman wrote: > On Fri, 27 Oct 1995, Sanna Koulu wrote: > > > After 2000 years surely some bisexual males would have been > > > chosen by bronzes or browns since homosexuality or bisexuality > > > doesnt inhibit leadership skills - I get the impression browns > > > and bronzes pick "alpha" males cos of their own pack structure??? > > Actually, Anne thinks non-heterosexuality *does* inhibit leadership > qualities. She's said this in response to this very question... Where does she say this? Is it in one of her books? Amy :) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 15:04:15 -0700 From: Jean Morrill To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: A new book to recommend Message-ID: <199510272204.PAA06429-+AT+-rain.hwr.arizona.edu> > >Also a follow-up series (The Immortals) in the works: consists so far of > >"Wild Magic", "Wolf-Speaker", and "The Emperor Mage". Starts at least 10 > >years after the first series ends. > > > Does anyone know how to get these books in paperback? I was > looking in two net bookstores and they had them in hardback, and one that > might have been a trade paperback ($15.95). > Sorry, hardback only at the moment. Try your local library. My univeristy campus has them in the juvenile fiction section. The local library system has them too (not all at the same branch of course...) The orignal 4 didn't come out in paperback until after the series was finished in hardback. Maybe the same thing will happen with these. Jean ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Oct 95 17:56 CDT From: ristuben-+AT+-webstar.net (erik ristuben) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Authors Message-ID: > >A little of the subject, but does anyone on this list enjoy Marion Zimmer >Bradley's Darkover series? I think some things in her novels directly >parallel Misty's novels. Such as the telepathic powers. > >Amy :) > > Amy, I love MZB and her Darkover novels. Her style is a lot more epic and the story develops a little more deeply than Misty's, although MZB hasn't yet come up with a character like Vanyel! I especially loved The Heritage of Hastur. Spelling? Anyway, yes to your question! Firefly ristuben-+AT+-webstar.net ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Oct 95 18:03 CDT From: ristuben-+AT+-webstar.net (erik ristuben) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Anne McCaffrey Message-ID: Regarding: >As for the dragonriders...F'nor is my favourite, without a doubt. Has >anyone seen the book _The People of Pern_? It's got paintings by Robin Wood >of lots of the main characters. And although some of them are just plain >_wrong,_ there are a couple that are just incredible. F'nor Impressing his >gold fire-lizard (whose name I don't remember, argh! Was it something like >Grall?), Robinton with Zair peeking through his hair, Mirrim cradling Path's >head in her lap... *sighs happily* > I love that book! I've looked at it so many times I'm surprised the book is still in one lovely piece. Robin Wood is an incredible painter. I too love Mirrim and Path, but my favorite is the portrait of the Masterharper, who also was my favorite character. I love the wineglass and his little gold fire lizard! Firefly ristuben-+AT+-webstar.net ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Oct 95 18:09 CDT From: ristuben-+AT+-webstar.net (erik ristuben) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Too Dim Villains and a recommendation Message-ID: Snip: >On Thu, 26 Oct 1995, erik ristuben wrote: > >> > >> >Regarding: >> >What do you like to see in a "good" villain? > >Alison Schiff (new) >schiff-+AT+-trenton.edu > > > Alison, I didn't write the original string, but I'm sure whoever did appreciates your reply! :) Peace, Firefly ristuben-+AT+-webstar.net ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Oct 95 18:11 CDT From: ristuben-+AT+-webstar.net (erik ristuben) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Too Dim Villains (was Re: Tremane) Message-ID: Colette snipped: > Oh how I love the bad guys, especially >>when they have more depth than the guys in the white hats. Take Darth Vader >>and Luke Skywalker...tell me truly, who WAS more interesting? (happy grin) >> >>Lovin' the debate. >> >>Firefly >>ristuben-+AT+-webstar.net > > > >Han Solo- he had the nicest butt. > >(just a shallow comment from little ol me) > >colette > > >gjuka-+AT+-cnw.com > > Agree totally. I wonder what Vanyel's butt would look like? :) Firefly ristuben-+AT+-webstar.net > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Oct 95 18:21 CDT From: ristuben-+AT+-webstar.net (erik ristuben) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: A new book to recommend Message-ID: Snip: > >I also didn't like more than first book of the SwordSingers books. The >short stories and the first book make it look like the woman is the main >character and she's just using an interesting storytelling device by >using the pov of the male character, but in the second book, she kills >the female character off, because, after all, she wasn't a Good Woman >because she dared to go off and leave her child behind to avenge her >family and then want to come back and have some part in the kid's life, >instead of resigning herself properly to being asexual because she chose >a non-stereotypical role for herself. Loving almost everything Jennifer Roberson has written, I definitely suggest reading both Sword Maker and Sword Breaker! The story doesn't quite go the way you think when you finish Sword Singer; it literally transforms before your eyes. Please try it and tell me what you think! :) Peace Firefly ristuben-+AT+-webstar.net ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Oct 95 18:26 CDT From: ristuben-+AT+-webstar.net (erik ristuben) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: A new book to recommend Message-ID: Although not snipping from anyone else's post (I can't yet figure out to post my own original message) I wanted to thank you all for your wonderful suggestions on new reading. I am a full time student and unable to get the bookstore as often as I used to as I am short of money and time. I had no idea that the sequels to Holly Lisle's book, C.S. Friedman's books or Tanya Huff's Sing the Four Quarters were out and I'm so excited to go order them. Either they don't stock enough Sci-fi out here in this small Texas town, or people are so starved for the stuff it disappears before I can go on my bi-monthly book shopping trip. Thanks to everyone out there! This was a great thread! Firefly ristuben-+AT+-webstar.net ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 17:05:38 -0800 From: gjuka-+AT+-cnw.com (Gjuka) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: A new book to recommend Message-ID: <9510272355.AA12851-+AT+-baker> >> Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 01:29:03 GMT >> Errors-To: server-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk >> Message-Id: <9510262245.AA11942-+AT+-baker> >> Errors-To: lackey-owner-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk >> Reply-To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk >> Originator: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk >> Sender: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk >> Precedence: bulk >> From: gjuka-+AT+-cnw.com (Gjuka) >> To: gerkej-+AT+-minnie.hollins.edu >> Subject: Re: A new book to recommend >> X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas >> X-Comment: Mercedes Lackey Mailing List >> >>>> Jennie (sorry I cut her address) wrote: >>>> >>>> Another author that I REALLY like is Robin >>>> !McKinley. You can't go wrong with any of her books, IMO... >>>> >>>> >>>> I totally agree - I read Hero and the Crown when I was abou t12 and >>>> must have kept it out of the library for about a year so I coudl >>>> reread it time and time again. Even after I finally took it back I >>>> coudl never resist getting it out if I saw it. I bought the Blue >>>> Sword a few years ago and then abut a year ago finally found Hero and >>>> the Crown in a bookshop, so I lent the pair to my boyfriend who also >>>> liked them (but maybe he was just keeping me happy saying so?) >>>> >>>> Anyway - I would definitely recommend them to anyone who likes Misty. >>>> >>>> Does anyone know if there are other books by her - especially any >>>> more Damar (do I have the right country) and Aerin books???? >>>> >>>> Rosetta >>> >>>Ahh, another fan. Well, she has written a few other books, and a few >>>collections of short stories. The books that I know of, if anyone knows of >>>more please tell me, are _Hero in the Crown_, _Blue Sword_, _Outlaws of >>>Sherwood_(a retelling of Robin Hood), _Beauty_(a retelling of Beauty and the >>>Beast), _Deerskin_, _Imaginary Lands_(a collection of short stories, only one >>>of hers), and _A door in the Hedge_(also a collection of short stories). I >>>know there is another collection or two out there. Anyway of these books, >>>the >>>only other one that is in Damar, is _Deerskin_. Hope you enjoy! >>> >> Jennie (gerkej-+AT+-minnie.hollins.edu) >> >> Collete said: >> Deerskin is in Damar? >> I must have missed that...(?) are you sure? >> I read it and I could swear it was somewhere else entirely. > > Yes, I didn't notice until probably my second or third reading. There is a >point when Deerskin and Ossin are discussing the moonwomen. Ossin says: >"If I were a livelier specimen I would go out and find a Great Dragon to slay, >and win a really disarable princess: I believe that's the way to do it. But >thier haven't been any Great dragons since Maur, I think, and Aerin, who was >certainly a desirable princess, didn't need any help.." This leads me to >believe it is set in Damar. > Jennie (gerkej-+AT+-minnie.hollins.edu) Good point, I'd forgotten that. But couldn't it be in a kingdom near Damar? It just didn't have the "feel" of the place, if you know what I mean. -Colette gjuka-+AT+-cnw.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 17:10:15 -0800 From: gjuka-+AT+-cnw.com (Gjuka) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Conflict Message-ID: <9510272359.AA12975-+AT+-baker> >From: "Barbara G. Jacob-McDowell" > > --Oh dear, just reread that last paragraph. Let me hasten to add >: that I DON"T mean I wouldn't give someone else credit for their words >: and ideas--by saying that I don't want to cite them, I mean that in the >: pedantic sense; I hate the mechanics of appending footnotes. Intrusive >: little buggers, at the foot of the page.-- > >Lucky you, footnotes aren't really used anymore. Instead, internal >citatation is used. It goes something like this: > >"I hate the mechanics of appending footnotes. Intrusive little buggers, >at the foot of the page (Jacob-McDowell, p2)." > >Then, you add a page of "Works Cited" with all the bibliographic info. > > >Mat T. -- at least the discussions of other authors is almost on topic... > I highly recomend a book as a source for such info- A Manual For Writers by Kate L. Turabian (term papers, theses, and dissertations). It is indespensable. Colette gjuka-+AT+-cnw.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 17:14:07 -0800 From: gjuka-+AT+-cnw.com (Gjuka) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: RE: A new book to recommend Message-ID: <9510280003.AA13068-+AT+-baker> >On Fri, 27 Oct 1995, Vivian Choh wrote: > >> >> Well, I was in the middle of replying to this post when I got kicked off >> my account. If you get it twice, forgive me. I don't THINK that I sent >> the post through, but one never really knows... >> >> On Fri, 27 Oct 1995, Gjuka wrote: >> >>"... Here's my question: One of the McK's recently (well maybe a year or >two > now) wrote a "remake" of a fairy tale called "Donkey's Skin"?? (or >> something like that). Has anyone read it? Is it any good?..." >> >> >I think that was McKinley's "DeerSkin". I thought it was very good. Have >you read "Beauty", the "remake" of Beauty and the Beast? > >Alison Schiff (still new at this, which is why I'm keeping it short) >schiff-+AT+-trenton.edu Nah, that wasn't my question, must have been someone else. I wanted to know what her new book that just came out is called (I've forgotten) and if anyone has read it yet. Is it any good? Yes, I've read Beauty (and Deerskin too) and continue to love it. Colette gjuka-+AT+-cnw.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 17:19:36 -0800 From: gjuka-+AT+-cnw.com (Gjuka) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: A new book to recommend Message-ID: <9510280009.AA13181-+AT+-baker> >> Heck, if you think McCaffrey has sexism in her Pern books, you really >> wouldn't like her romance novels! Personally, I didn't find any of that >> in say, _Moreta_ or _Nerilka_, and Lessa always struck me as a woman who >> would never take a lot of garbage. > >True. I would have probably smacked the husband in _Year of the Lucy_ round >the face before the book was through, and/or murdered his mother :) > >M. > Does anyone want to buy a copy of Year of the Lucy in hardback (minus the jacket)? I havn't been able to read it and my used bookstore won't take it. E-mail me if you're interested. -Colette gjuka-+AT+-cnw.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 20:20:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Jennifer Broekman To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Sexism and romance in SF&F (minor SR spoiler) Message-ID: On Fri, 27 Oct 1995, Amy Mason wrote: > On Fri, 27 Oct 1995, Jennifer Broekman wrote: > > Actually, Anne thinks non-heterosexuality *does* inhibit leadership > > qualities. She's said this in response to this very question... > Where does she say this? Is it in one of her books? It was in one of her famous missives to alt.fan.pern, I think. Basically she said that golds and bronzes only choose women and men who are 'fully' their gender because gays just don't have the necessary strengths to do the job right. (I know some *very* male/female gays/lesbians, but meeting them would probably scare Anne into a heart attack. (They're also leather folk.):-)) -jenneke jsb-+AT+-phantom.com new .sig in development ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 20:29:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Jennifer Broekman To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Authors Message-ID: On Fri, 27 Oct 1995, David wrote: > The problem is that only the "free amazons" stuff seems to be coming >out and Marion is seemingly concentrating on other writing. Not that I >dislike the Free Amazons, but rather that I wish she'd see fit to explore >other periods in Darkover history. Two points: first, since the Free Amazons have been around from the time of _Two To Conquer_ till the 'present', I'm not sure how they constitute a time period of their own.:-) Second, and more seriously, when MZB created Darkover, she wasn't as interested in exploring Darkover's history as in examining the interaction with the Empire, so it's not all that surprising that she's spent more time on the more recent history than on the earlier times. -jenneke jsb-+AT+-phantom.com new .sig in development ------------------------------ End of MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 193 *********************************