MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 194 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: A new book to recommend by gjuka-+AT+-cnw.com (Gjuka) 2) Re: A new book to recommend by ahendon-+AT+-amanda.dorsai.org 3) Re: SEXISM by gjuka-+AT+-cnw.com (Gjuka) 4) Re: growing out of books by Gyrfalcon 5) RE: A new book to recommend by Vivian Choh 6) Re: Too Dim Villains (was Re: Tremane) by PTJ-+AT+-badger.demon.co.uk (Philip Johnson) 7) Re: A new book to recommend by jhedge-+AT+-waterw.com (Jeanne Hedge) 8) Re: A new book to recommend by GERKEJ-+AT+-MINNIE.HOLLINS.EDU 9) Re: A new book to recommend by ristuben-+AT+-webstar.net (erik ristuben) 10) Re: A new book to recommend by Vivian Choh 11) Re: Too Dim Villains (was Re: Tremane) by jah10-+AT+-cornell.edu (Jay A. Howell) 12) Re: A new book to recommend by jah10-+AT+-cornell.edu (Jay A. Howell) 13) Re: A new book to recommend by CHONNI 14) Re: A new book to recommend by jhedge-+AT+-waterw.com (Jeanne Hedge) 15) RE: A new book to recommend by CHONNI 16) RE: A new book to recommend by Adrienne York 17) Re: Sexism and romance in SF&F by gjuka-+AT+-cnw.com (Gjuka) 18) RE: A new book to recommend by gjuka-+AT+-cnw.com (Gjuka) 19) RE: A new book to recommend by Paul Sheldon ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 17:38:58 -0800 From: gjuka-+AT+-cnw.com (Gjuka) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: A new book to recommend Message-ID: <9510280028.AA13687-+AT+-baker> >Here is another author that I have not seen mentioned: >Tamora Pierce and her Song of the Lioness quartet. It starts off with >Alanna: The First Adventure. A set of twins, boy and girl, are being >shipped off to become a knight and sorceress respectively. They look a >lot alike and switch places, each going with their own preferences. The >first is a good early adolescent adventure, but the stories mature as >Alanna does. I gave them to my niece when she was about 10 to combat the >Baby Sitter's club and she loved them. > >Others are In the Hand of the Goddess, The Woman who Rides like a Man, >and Lioness Rampant. > >Susan Dewey OH OH OH! Some one else in the universe has read these! Yippy! first person I've met who has. Another of those books where the library only had the first one. I finally have them all but the last one (I read it at a diffrent library years later). there was another book with a female disguised written for the same age group with a middle eastern type setting called "Seven Sons And Seven Daughters" that I'm still looking for(author unknown). Anyone heard of it? And I have a book to seriously recomend. Its likely to be in the picture book/children's section of the library but it's worth a look. Its called THE DARK PRINCESS by Richard Kennedy. Its about a blind princess who is so beautiful that people have to look at her through colored glass to keep from being blinded. No one knows she is blind (except her family) because she knows her way around the palace and is guided by a loyal dog. She has a test for princes to pass when they woo her- to look at her without the glass. none pass. But there is one other that loves her- the court jester... Made me sob when I found it in 3rd or 4th grade, still affects me now. Searched for it ever sence without knowing the name, only the story and the pictures. Found it last year when I worked at the public library. One of these days I'm going to buy it. Wish it were a full length novel- it would be incredible. Colette gjuka-+AT+-cnw.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 20:59:03 -0500 From: ahendon-+AT+-amanda.dorsai.org To: ahendon-+AT+-amanda.dorsai.org, mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: A new book to recommend Message-ID: <199510280054.AA14981-+AT+-dorsai.dorsai.org> Jen said: > I also didn't like more than first book of the SwordSingers books. The > short stories and the first book make it look like the woman is the main > character and she's just using an interesting storytelling device by > using the pov of the male character, but in the second book, she kills > the female character off, because, after all, she wasn't a Good Woman > because she dared to go off and leave her child behind to avenge her > family and then want to come back and have some part in the kid's life, > instead of resigning herself properly to being asexual because she chose > a non-stereotypical role for herself. There are *four* Sword--- books and Del isn't dead! Check it out! Alison Alison Hendon ahendon-+AT+-amanda.dorsai.org "Though my soul may set in darkness, It will rise in perfect light, I have loved the stars too fondly To be fearful of the night...." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 18:08:15 -0800 From: gjuka-+AT+-cnw.com (Gjuka) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: SEXISM Message-ID: <9510280057.AA14475-+AT+-baker> > Erica Neely wrote: > >> On Thu, 26 Oct 1995, Sanna Koulu wrote: >> >> >> >> > (My apologies for ranting... it's th at I get frustrated by >> > postfeminists saying "REAL liberated women can dress as bimbos /read >> > category romances /whatever - they get to choose" etc.) >> >> Out of curiousity, are you saying that liberated women can't read >> category romances? Or dress as bimbos? >> >Well, actually, yes. There's the saying "feminist is a woman with >comfortable shoes"; I mean if one wears crippling shoes, uses skin- >destroying cosmetics, shaves one's legs, freezes in the winter >because of that cutesy miniskirt, all in all inflicts pain on oneself >to be attractive to males (or females), that's not liberated, that's >masochistic sexism. I have nothing against dressing pretty - I just >refuse to make myself into an beautiful object until males start >doing the same. >I confess, I read romances too - but I can recognize and laugh at the >sexism. This isn't meant to be flaming or anything...just discussion. > > -Seanna (OK, it's off-topic, > sorry) When I dress up, it's always to please myself, not a man. Some days I like baked potatoes with skin, some days mashed potatoes without skin. Its like that with shaving my legs too. Most of the time I don't bother, but some days its nice. Not much diffrent for men and beards. What IS diffrent, is that women are EXPECTED to shave their legs. THAT is what is sexist, not the act itself. Throwing out the baby with the bathwater if you see what I mean. I agree that these expectations are unfair and sexist, but to say that because of that we should do the reverse and say that it should not ever be done at all is reactionary. To complain about lack of freedom and then tell others that what they do is wrong is a bit hypocritical. To recognise the absudity of sexist customs or standards of beauty and freeing oneself to BE ones self is another. To lead by example and do what it is you WANT to do to express yourself without being controlled by society. So shave or don't shave, but please don't tell me that I'm a victim if I decide that once a month it's nice to have smooth legs. It's not natural, but neither are earrings, nice clothes, reading or pizza- but I'm not giving them up. Humankind does a lot of things to "improve " their appearance or attractiveness, including bathing, breathmints, haircuts, clothing, ext... It doesn't make it bad, just social. What is bad is being forced to conform to standards that are impractical and painful in order to maintain a social image. That is where awareness comes in. With awareness comes the ability to choose. With choice comes freedom. Without choice, its just another form of slavery. -Colette ps sorry this is so long and off topic. gjuka-+AT+-cnw.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 23:11:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Gyrfalcon To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: growing out of books Message-ID: > Mat T. -- I'm afraid that mentioning Piers Anthony and David Eddings within > two days may bring you know who after me. Oh, the horror! :) Somewhere in central Flordia... Fade in: The scene open in on a house somewhere in the center of Flordia. Where inside a short blond woman is talking on the phone. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Timmerman... Right. Where is he? Right." She sighs as she puts down the phone. "Does this one have one of those horses?" the man wrapped in bandages asked from where he was sitting. "No I don't think so... Even if he does that last time was a mistake right?" "Uhhh. Right, it snuck up on me... Nobody would figure that a horse that big and white could be so damn sneaky on marble." "Riiigghhtt. Lets go load the truck." "Alright, but if one of those thrice damned beasts shows up I'm leaving." "So am I." ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Dust rises as they drive off towards the airport. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Who gave you the info this time?" "I'm not sure, but It came from overseas." ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ This is a renactment of something that is about to happen. Beware Mat, They'll be at your door before you know it. --Gyrfalcon =======================msowers-+AT+-menger.eecs.stevens-tech.edu=================== Magic still exists. We have only to reach out and touch it, it is a part of the very fabric of the world. When our belief of magic completely dies this universe shall die. Because that magic; Hope, Dreams, Love, Beauty, Wonder, Belief, and Discovery are what make us a people. They are all part of a great Art whose workings are still a mystery but whose applications can be seen every day. If we ever lose the Art mankind shall not last the day. Let the magic that is in us roam free in our work, play, in each other, and most of all in ourselves. Let it roam free or it will die. ============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Oct 1995 01:08:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Vivian Choh To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: RE: A new book to recommend Message-ID: On Fri, 27 Oct 1995, Alison Schiff wrote: > I think that was McKinley's "DeerSkin". I thought it was very good. Have > you read "Beauty", the "remake" of Beauty and the Beast? Yup!! I loved it. My sister actually likes it too. (My sister for some reason does not really like SF/fantasy but there are a few books/authors that I can con, er, convince her into reading....McKinley's remakes, Night's Daughter (but no luck with the Riddle Master of Hed), anything by de Lint, the Huff Blood Series, and O. Scott Card's Ender's Game). We both think that Disney ripped McKinley off...what do you think? There's another "Beauty" that I've read, that I also really liked a lot by Sheri S. Tepper. It's quite a bit darker, but does have its humourous moments. It's actually a re-telling of Sleeping Beauty. Has anyone else read this? You know, I ought to have recommended this one ages ago. It affected me the way de Lint's Newford books affected me...made me so sad that I almost bawled (actually one of de Lint's short stories did make me bawl but, let me hastily add, there were extenuating circumstances, really) but also made me laugh at the same time..(one mama of an emotional roller coaster ride!!)..either that or I'm in need of psychiatric help..... Vivian Choh -- soon to join others in the white strait jackets? bi189-+AT+-torfree.net v.choh-+AT+-utoronto.ca "I am all that I claim to be. I simply have not claimed all that I am." - M. Lackey, "Oathbreakers" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 22:24:38 GMT From: PTJ-+AT+-badger.demon.co.uk (Philip Johnson) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Too Dim Villains (was Re: Tremane) Message-ID: <38196-+AT+-badger.demon.co.uk> For a really good, sympathetic villain, I recommend the 'Star Wars' trilogy writen by Timothy Zahn: Heirs of the Empire; Dark Force Rising; and The Last Command. There are minor wicked villains; and a Lackey-type p[ower-mad crazy, but the main villain is well-drawn, has rational (and by his own light, worthy) motives for hsi actions and give the heroes a really hard time. Yet you still root for the heroes. Not being a fan of spin-off fiction, I was pleasantly surprised by the quality of these three novels. Philip -- Philip Johnson 'Never do for yourself what you can con an expert into doing for you' Naismith: 'On War' 'A rational government wouldn't allow him possession of a pocket-knife, let alone a space fleet.' Cordelia, Countess Vorkosigan: 'On Naismith' ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Oct 1995 06:51:44 -0400 From: jhedge-+AT+-waterw.com (Jeanne Hedge) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: A new book to recommend Message-ID: <9510281051.AA12828-+AT+-water.waterw.com> >Snip: >> >>I also didn't like more than first book of the SwordSingers books. The >>short stories and the first book make it look like the woman is the main >>character and she's just using an interesting storytelling device by >>using the pov of the male character, but in the second book, she kills >>the female character off, because, after all, she wasn't a Good Woman >>because she dared to go off and leave her child behind to avenge her >>family and then want to come back and have some part in the kid's life, >>instead of resigning herself properly to being asexual because she chose >>a non-stereotypical role for herself. > >Loving almost everything Jennifer Roberson has written, I definitely suggest >reading both Sword Maker and Sword Breaker! The story doesn't quite go the >way you think when you finish Sword Singer; it literally transforms before >your eyes. Please try it and tell me what you think! :) Absolutely true. I quite literally threw "Sword Singer" (the 2nd book) across the room and into the trash because of the ending. Boy was *I* surprised with "Sword Maker". The only reason I even bought SM was the cover art showed some things that just weren't possible if SS did what I thought it had with the ending. (does that make any sense? I'm trying not to give out spoilers) Jeanne Hedge jhedge-+AT+-water.waterw.com ================================================================ "Water, water everywhere, nor any drop to drink..." --Samuel Taylor Coleridge, 'The Rime of the Ancient Mariner' ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Oct 1995 11:20:15 -0400 (EDT) From: GERKEJ-+AT+-MINNIE.HOLLINS.EDU To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: A new book to recommend Message-ID: <951028112015.20238738-+AT+-MINNIE.HOLLINS.EDU> >>>>> Anyway - I would definitely recommend them to anyone who likes Misty. >>>>> >>>>> Does anyone know if there are other books by her - especially any >>>>> more Damar (do I have the right country) and Aerin books???? >>>>> Rosetta >>>> >>>>Ahh, another fan. Well, she has written a few other books, and a few >>>>collections of short stories. The books that I know of, if anyone knows of >>>>more please tell me, are _Hero in the Crown_, _Blue Sword_, _Outlaws of >>>>Sherwood_(a retelling of Robin Hood), _Beauty_(a retelling of Beauty and the >>>>Beast), _Deerskin_, _Imaginary Lands_(a collection of short stories, only one >>>>of hers), and _A door in the Hedge_(also a collection of short stories). I >>>>know there is another collection or two out there. Anyway of these books, >>>>the >>>>only other one that is in Damar, is _Deerskin_. Hope you enjoy! >>> Jennie (gerkej-+AT+-minnie.hollins.edu) >>> Collete said: >>> Deerskin is in Damar? >>> I must have missed that...(?) are you sure? >>> I read it and I could swear it was somewhere else entirely. >> >> Yes, I didn't notice until probably my second or third reading. There is a >>point when Deerskin and Ossin are discussing the moonwomen. Ossin says: >>"If I were a livelier specimen I would go out and find a Great Dragon to slay, >>and win a really disarable princess: I believe that's the way to do it. But >>thier haven't been any Great dragons since Maur, I think, and Aerin, who was >>certainly a desirable princess, didn't need any help.." This leads me to >>believe it is set in Damar. >> Jennie (gerkej-+AT+-minnie.hollins.edu) > Good point, I'd forgotten that. But couldn't it be in a kingdom near Damar? > It just didn't have the "feel" of the place, if you know what I mean. > > -Colette > Yes, you are probably right that it is one of what would be one of the small outlying provinces. It doesn't have the same feel and there is not a really big dessert nearby, which there would be if it was in the heart of Damar? Sorry about this really off-post, but I must admit it has been lots of fun. ;) Jennie :) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Oct 95 13:10 CDT From: ristuben-+AT+-webstar.net (erik ristuben) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: A new book to recommend Message-ID: Snip: I quite literally threw "Sword Singer" (the 2nd book) >across the room and into the trash because of the ending. Boy was *I* >surprised with "Sword Maker". The only reason I even bought SM was the >cover art showed some things that just weren't possible if SS did what I >thought it had with the ending. (does that make any sense? I'm trying not to >give out spoilers) I thought I was the only one who gets violent with their books when things don't turn out as expected! (snicker) I also get irate if the quality of writing is crappy.... SMACK! (sound of book hitting the wall) I write until my fingers are bloody nubs and THIS is what publishers choose to print? I QUIT! I know someone out there will understand.... :) Firefly ristuben-+AT+-webstar.net ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Oct 1995 15:56:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Vivian Choh To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: A new book to recommend Message-ID: On Sat, 28 Oct 1995, Jeanne Hedge wrote: and someone else, sorry, name was erased: > >Loving almost everything Jennifer Roberson has written, I definitely suggest > >reading both Sword Maker and Sword Breaker! The story doesn't quite go the > >way you think when you finish Sword Singer; it literally transforms before > >your eyes. Please try it and tell me what you think! :) > Absolutely true. I quite literally threw "Sword Singer" (the 2nd book) > across the room and into the trash because of the ending. Boy was *I* > surprised with "Sword Maker". The only reason I even bought SM was the I too, thought the series had ended and imagine my surprise when I found a third book!! I thought, what the heck's she gonna write about??!! It's over!! So I picked it up, started reading it....and.... :o Swordbreaker was TOTALLY different than what I expected. I didn't really enjoy it when I read it the first time because I rushed through it, waiting for the resolution that I was expecting, which, of course never happened -- I was so anxious that I almost didn't even READ the story.... Later, I re-read it, slowly, allowing it to sink in. THEN I really started to appreciate it and think it may be the best of the series (I haven't quite made up my mind yet)!! Winds III also went in a direction that was somewhat different than the one I'd envisioned. I was never disappointed though, either because I took my time with it, or because it wasn't TOO different, or both! Vivian Choh bi189-+AT+-torfree.net v.choh-+AT+-utoronto.ca "I am all that I claim to be. I simply have not claimed all that I am." - M. Lackey, "Oathbreakers" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Oct 1995 17:20:21 -0500 From: jah10-+AT+-cornell.edu (Jay A. Howell) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Too Dim Villains (was Re: Tremane) Message-ID: >From: "Cecile S. Ueltschey" >>On Thu, 26 Oct 1995, Ned wrote: >> >>> >>> One of the best villians in any book I've read shows up in the books I >>> just finished reading: C.S. Friedman's When True Night Falls and Black >>> Sun Rising (hope I remembered those correctly). I don't want to say too >>> much right now, since it gives away part of the first book, so I'll toss >>> in some spoiler space... >> >>BTW - there is a third book due out sometime, I forget the name of it though. >> >>Cecile > >I haven't read any of the series, but I've seen part three in the >bookstores. It's called _Crown of Shadows_, IIRC. I remember b/c >every time I see it, I almost think that it's Jordan's forthcomming >_Crown of Swords_. Not until Feb/March though. > >Mat T. The Third book is inded out, and titled as Mat T. stated. I already flew through the book, and was left unfulfilled by the ending. (Has anyone else finished this book? What did you think of the ending?) I would have asked for more in the way of reward for the hero/villian in the trilogy. They are definitely worth the reading. Jay. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Oct 1995 17:27:06 -0500 From: jah10-+AT+-cornell.edu (Jay A. Howell) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: A new book to recommend Message-ID: >I thought I was the only one who gets violent with their books when things >don't turn out as expected! (snicker) I also get irate if the quality of >writing is crappy.... > >SMACK! (sound of book hitting the wall) I write until my fingers are bloody >nubs and THIS is what publishers choose to print? I QUIT! > >I know someone out there will understand.... :) > >Firefly >ristuben-+AT+-webstar.net I agree. I just recently saw a Non-sequiter cartoon that depicted this very trend in mass-market publishing. Description: A writer's agency with bulletin board of jobs for writers seeking employment. * Huddled around the board, writers look under categories of*: Writing about the O.J. trial, Writing about fallen Politicians, Writing about Hollywood stars in disgrace. On the right side of the board, with no onlookers is *one* posting under the heading of: *Originality and Talent wanted*! Did I sum this up correctly, Firefly? Jay P.S. Anyone else see this cartoon? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Oct 1995 15:31:08 -0800 (PST) From: CHONNI To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: A new book to recommend Message-ID: On Fri, 27 Oct 1995, Jennifer Broekman wrote: > > I also didn't like more than first book of the SwordSingers books. The > short stories and the first book make it look like the woman is the main > character and she's just using an interesting storytelling device by > using the pov of the male character, but in the second book, she kills > the female character off, because, after all, she wasn't a Good Woman > because she dared to go off and leave her child behind to avenge her > family and then want to come back and have some part in the kid's life, > instead of resigning herself properly to being asexual because she chose > a non-stereotypical role for herself. You should have read further; the heroine is sort of reborn, and lots of good/real things happen to her (and Sandtiger). She ISN'T being punished cuz she wasn't a good woman; more like, given a slap in the face to remind her of what she really is. *********************************************************************** -Chonni Brightwolf (Katherine Moll, student) University College of the Cariboo British Columbia, CANADA ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Oct 1995 18:30:07 -0400 From: jhedge-+AT+-waterw.com (Jeanne Hedge) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: A new book to recommend Message-ID: <9510282230.AA09917-+AT+-water.waterw.com> Firefly said: >I thought I was the only one who gets violent with their books when things >don't turn out as expected! (snicker) I also get irate if the quality of >writing is crappy.... Well, I don't usually get so violent but the ending of 'Sword Singer' annoyed me to no end (and it had nothing to do with the quality of the writing). I almost felt betrayed by the author... (she redeemed herself with 'Sword Maker' tho) (isn't it ridiculous, getting so caught up in a *story*?!) Jeanne Hedge jhedge-+AT+-water.waterw.com ================================================================ "Water, water everywhere, nor any drop to drink..." --Samuel Taylor Coleridge, 'The Rime of the Ancient Mariner' ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Oct 1995 15:46:37 -0800 (PST) From: CHONNI To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: RE: A new book to recommend Message-ID: On Sat, 28 Oct 1995, Vivian Choh wrote: > On Fri, 27 Oct 1995, Alison Schiff wrote: > > > I think that was McKinley's "DeerSkin". I thought it was very good. Have > > you read "Beauty", the "remake" of Beauty and the Beast? > > Yup!! I loved it. My sister actually likes it too. (My sister > for some reason does not really like SF/fantasy but there are a few > books/authors that I can con, er, convince her into reading....McKinley's > remakes, Night's Daughter (but no luck with the Riddle Master of Hed), > anything by de Lint, the Huff Blood Series, and O. Scott Card's Ender's > Game). We both think that Disney ripped McKinley off...what do you think? Yup. It was pretty obvious, actually. It's one of the reasons I actually liked _Beauty and the Beast_; after all, this is Disney we're talking about (the words generic and anti-feminist come to mind). *********************************************************************** -Chonni Brightwolf (Katherine Moll, student) University College of the Cariboo British Columbia, CANADA ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Oct 1995 23:21:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Adrienne York To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: RE: A new book to recommend Message-ID: On Sat, 28 Oct 1995, Vivian Choh wrote: > There's another "Beauty" that I've read, that I also really liked > a lot by Sheri S. Tepper. It's quite a bit darker, but does have its > humourous moments. It's actually a re-telling of Sleeping Beauty. Has > anyone else read this? You know, I ought to have recommended this one > ages ago. It affected me the way de Lint's Newford books affected There was another book by Tepper that I thought was really excellent, _The Gate to Women's Country_. It was really, really, really good. ;];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];] ;] Adrienne York-Minor ;] ;] "There is no 'One, True Way'" Valdemaran Law Codes ;] ;] ayork-+AT+-simons-rock.edu ;] ;];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Oct 1995 22:41:54 -0800 From: gjuka-+AT+-cnw.com (Gjuka) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Sexism and romance in SF&F Message-ID: <9510290531.AA11437-+AT+-baker> >On Fri, 27 Oct 1995, Amy Mason wrote: >> On Fri, 27 Oct 1995, Jennifer Broekman wrote: >> > Actually, Anne thinks non-heterosexuality *does* inhibit leadership >> > qualities. She's said this in response to this very question... >> Where does she say this? Is it in one of her books? > >It was in one of her famous missives to alt.fan.pern, I think. Basically >she said that golds and bronzes only choose women and men who are 'fully' >their gender because gays just don't have the necessary strengths to do >the job right. (I know some *very* male/female gays/lesbians, but >meeting them would probably scare Anne into a heart attack. (They're >also leather folk.):-)) > >-jenneke > ooh, beautiful leather... -colette gjuka-+AT+-cnw.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Oct 1995 22:45:41 -0800 From: gjuka-+AT+-cnw.com (Gjuka) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: RE: A new book to recommend Message-ID: <9510290535.AA11491-+AT+-baker> >On Sat, 28 Oct 1995, Vivian Choh wrote: > >> There's another "Beauty" that I've read, that I also really liked >> a lot by Sheri S. Tepper. It's quite a bit darker, but does have its >> humourous moments. It's actually a re-telling of Sleeping Beauty. Has >> anyone else read this? You know, I ought to have recommended this one >> ages ago. It affected me the way de Lint's Newford books affected > >There was another book by Tepper that I thought was really excellent, >_The Gate to Women's Country_. It was really, really, really good. Is the book called Briar Rose and about the hollocaust? If so, I read it and loved it. It was really wonderful. I mentioned it in the paper I'm writing on Anne Sexton's poem Briar Rose(Sleeping Beauty). -colette gjuka-+AT+-cnw.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Oct 1995 18:31:48 +0800 From: Paul Sheldon To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: RE: A new book to recommend Message-ID: <199510291031.SAA28912-+AT+-enterprise.nettrek.com.au> At 03:57 AM 10/29/95 GMT, you wrote: >On Sat, 28 Oct 1995, Vivian Choh wrote: > >> >There was another book by Tepper that I thought was really excellent, >_The Gate to Women's Country_. It was really, really, really good. > >;];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];] >;] Adrienne York-Minor ;] >;] "There is no 'One, True Way'" Valdemaran Law Codes ;] >;] ayork-+AT+-simons-rock.edu ;] >;];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];] > > I must agree, I read The Gate to Women's Country and thought it was excellent. I would appreciate hearing from anyone who enjoys novels by good authors with strong characters, I read voraciously and will read 'almost' anything.(This is my first foray onto the net, and the address is my husband's. My favourites are Misty Lackey and Anne McCaffery but I've read at least one book from almost all current and past speculative fiction writers. Wind to thy wings, Robina. ------------------------------ End of MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 194 *********************************