MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 195 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: A new book to recommend by Anne Cross 2) RE: A new book to recommend by GERKEJ-+AT+-MINNIE.HOLLINS.EDU 3) Re: A new book to recommend by ristuben-+AT+-webstar.net (erik ristuben) 4) Tepper by Vivian Choh 5) RE: A new book to recommend by Heather Mina 6) Re: Tepper by Adrienne York 7) Re: Tepper by urtho-+AT+-stargazer.netshop.net (Kyle Matheson) 8) Re: Tepper by Mat Timmerman 9) Re: growing out of books by Mat Timmerman 10) Re: Authors by dstorrs-+AT+-crossover.com (David K. Storrs) 11) Re: Too Dim Villains (was Re: Tremane) by dstorrs-+AT+-crossover.com (David K. Storrs) 12) Re: A new book to recommend by dstorrs-+AT+-crossover.com (David K. Storrs) 13) Re: Tepper by "Sanna Koulu" 14) Re: Tepper by gjuka-+AT+-cnw.com (Gjuka) 15) Re: Too Dim Villains (was Re: Tremane) by gjuka-+AT+-cnw.com (Gjuka) 16) Re: SEXISM by "Sanna Koulu" 17) Re: Anne McCaffrey by Catherine Osborne ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 29 Oct 1995 09:09:51 -0500 (EST) From: Anne Cross To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: A new book to recommend Message-ID: On Fri, 27 Oct 1995, Susan R. Dewey wrote: > Here is another author that I have not seen mentioned: > Tamora Pierce and her Song of the Lioness quartet. Yes! Yes! Wonderful books, but avoid the Wild Magic books. Daine just bores me, even if Ms. Pierce has brought in Beltaine and the Horned Lord of Beasts and made it somewhat pagan -- the plot lines have suffered terribly, and Alanna is only a supporting character. Booo! ____________________________________________________________________________ | Anne Cross | "How many witches does it take | | juniper-+AT+-fledge.watson.org | to change a lightbulb?" | | http://www.watson.org/~juniper/ | "What do you want to change it into?" | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Oct 1995 11:21:12 -0500 (EST) From: GERKEJ-+AT+-MINNIE.HOLLINS.EDU To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: RE: A new book to recommend Message-ID: <951029112112.20239338-+AT+-MINNIE.HOLLINS.EDU> >>On Sat, 28 Oct 1995, Vivian Choh wrote: >> >>> There's another "Beauty" that I've read, that I also really liked >>> a lot by Sheri S. Tepper. It's quite a bit darker, but does have its >>> humourous moments. It's actually a re-telling of Sleeping Beauty. Has >>> anyone else read this? You know, I ought to have recommended this one >>> ages ago. It affected me the way de Lint's Newford books affected >> >>There was another book by Tepper that I thought was really excellent, >>_The Gate to Women's Country_. It was really, really, really good. > > > Is the book called Briar Rose and about the hollocaust? If so, I read it > and loved it. It was really wonderful. I mentioned it in the paper I'm > writing on Anne Sexton's poem Briar Rose(Sleeping Beauty). > > -colette gjuka-+AT+-cnw.com > > Yes, the book Briar Rose is about the hollocaust. It is written by Jane Yolen, if you couldn't remember. I agree it was great!!! -Jennie gerkej-+AT+-minnie.hollins.edu ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Oct 95 12:08 CST From: ristuben-+AT+-webstar.net (erik ristuben) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: A new book to recommend Message-ID: Jay wrote: > On the right side of the board, with no onlookers is *one* >posting under the heading of: *Originality and Talent wanted*! > > Did I sum this up correctly, Firefly? > Thank you Jay. I knew that I wasn't alone. :) Firefly ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Oct 1995 14:01:42 -0500 (EST) From: Vivian Choh To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Tepper Message-ID: Adrienne wrote: >There was another book by Tepper that I thought was really excellent, >_The Gate to Women's Country_. It was really, really, really good. I've found that for some of Tepper's books, it's been hard for me to get hooked into the story right away. Maybe it's my short attention span, but I think it's because Tepper adds a LOT of details and the "action" moves slowly. The other Tepper novel that I thought was just wonderful was Grass, but if I hadn't been looking for my reading fix, I may not have even finished it, which means that it is REALLY boring. There was something however, about the descriptions (I think it was the aura of mystery) that held my attention. To date, the only spec. fiction book that I've never finished (usually, I'll just finish it no matter how bad it is) is the Hobbit. It took me years and years before I read the Lord of the Rings trilogy. I finally did, at the urging of a friend who insisted that trilogy was nothing like the Hobbit. Is that true BTW? Maybe one day, I'll try the Hobbit again... Vivian Choh bi189-+AT+-torfree.net v.choh-+AT+-utoronto.ca "I am all that I claim to be. I simply have not claimed all that I am." - M. Lackey, "Oathbreakers" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Oct 95 16:45:09 GMT+0000 From: Heather Mina To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: RE: A new book to recommend Message-ID: <9510292145.AB14052-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk> >>>On Sat, 28 Oct 1995, Vivian Choh wrote: >>> >>>> There's another "Beauty" that I've read, that I also really liked >>>> a lot by Sheri S. Tepper. It's quite a bit darker, but does have its >>>> humourous moments. It's actually a re-telling of Sleeping Beauty. Has >>>> anyone else read this? You know, I ought to have recommended this one >>>> ages ago. It affected me the way de Lint's Newford books affected >>> >>>There was another book by Tepper that I thought was really excellent, >>>_The Gate to Women's Country_. It was really, really, really good. I absolutely _loved_ Tepper's _Beauty_. I recommend it to almost all the SF&F readers I know. I'm always drawn in to SF&F novels which emphasize the struggle of women. I'll have to give her other books a try... ----- Heather Mina <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> < The time has come, the walrus said > < to talk of many things, > < Of shoes and ships and sealing wax, > < of cabbages and kings. > < --- Lewis Carroll > <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Heather L. Mina hlmina-+AT+-vwc.edu heamin-+AT+-sunshine.vab.unisysgsg.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Oct 1995 17:33:13 -0500 (EST) From: Adrienne York To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Tepper Message-ID: On Sun, 29 Oct 1995, Vivian Choh wrote: > To date, the only spec. fiction book that I've > never finished (usually, I'll just finish it no matter how bad it is) is > the Hobbit. It took me years and years before I read the Lord of the Rings > trilogy. I finally did, at the urging of a friend who insisted that > trilogy was nothing like the Hobbit. Is that true BTW? Maybe one day, > I'll try the Hobbit again... > Oh, Vivian, don't be ashamed to admit you never finished the Hobbit. I have never read one Tolkien book. I couldn't get through all the description in the Hobbit, which I tried to start. Well, I was much younger then, though. Maybe I'll try to read it during Intersession. I should hope I have a bigger attention span now. Adrienne Who accidentally deleted the sig. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Oct 95 17:26 PST From: urtho-+AT+-stargazer.netshop.net (Kyle Matheson) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Tepper Message-ID: >On Sun, 29 Oct 1995, Vivian Choh wrote: > >> To date, the only spec. fiction book that I've >> never finished (usually, I'll just finish it no matter how bad it is) is >> the Hobbit. It took me years and years before I read the Lord of the Rings >> trilogy. I finally did, at the urging of a friend who insisted that >> trilogy was nothing like the Hobbit. Is that true BTW? Maybe one day, >> I'll try the Hobbit again... >> >Oh, Vivian, don't be ashamed to admit you never finished the Hobbit. I >have never read one Tolkien book. runs away from the crazed villagers carrying torches.> I couldn't get >through all the description in the Hobbit, which I tried to start. Well, >I was much younger then, though. Maybe I'll try to read it during >Intersession. I should hope I have a bigger attention span now. > >Adrienne >Who accidentally deleted the sig. > I will be the first to admitt that JRR Tolkien is long winded, But the insight behind his writing is incredable. He is the father of fantasy writing as we know it. ML comes close to him in this way, But he is the only writer I've ever read who has an entire history for every character and non-character whether they are mentioned once or a whole bunch of times. A good way, if you just can't get past the long writing, I couldn't the first time, is to go to the library and get the British Brodcasting Corp.'s Tapes of the Lord of the Rings. They are 13 hrs. long but they give you a good ver. of the story and after you finish, I think you will have to read the books. I did!!!! Kyle Matheson urtho-+AT+-stargazer.netshop.net "Theirs not to make reply, Theirs not to reason why, Theirs but to do and die" Alfred, Lord Tennyson, 1854 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Oct 1995 22:01:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Mat Timmerman To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Tepper Message-ID: <01HX10FAFOUM935OJN-+AT+-vaxc.hofstra.edu> From: Vivian Choh > > To date, the only spec. fiction book that I've >never finished (usually, I'll just finish it no matter how bad it is) is >the Hobbit. It took me years and years before I read the Lord of the Rings >trilogy. I finally did, at the urging of a friend who insisted that >trilogy was nothing like the Hobbit. Is that true BTW? Maybe one day, >I'll try the Hobbit again... BLASPHEMER!!! ;> Just, kidding. LotR is really nothing like The Hobbit. In fact, originally, Tolkien didn't even intend for them to be related. The Hobbit was intended to be a children's book, based on bedtime stories he told to _his_ children. The only reason that Frodo (the main Hobbit character in LotR) is related to Frodo was that there was a huge demand for a sequel to the Hobbit. Therefore, he just kind of changed a few things around in the LotR (which he was already writing) and tada, instant sequel. That's what I get for doing my "research an author" research paper back in high school on Tolkein. Mat (too lazy to type the "T." anymore :) ) -- Mat Timmerman accmjt-+AT+-vaxc.hofstra.edu "I don't care what you smell, just get in there." ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Oct 1995 22:11:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Mat Timmerman To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: growing out of books Message-ID: <01HX10TNRI10935OJN-+AT+-vaxc.hofstra.edu> From: Gyrfalcon > >> Mat T. -- I'm afraid that mentioning Piers Anthony and David Eddings within >> two days may bring you know who after me. Oh, the horror! :) > >Somewhere in central Flordia... > >Fade in: > The scene open in on a house somewhere in the center of Flordia. >Where inside a short blond woman is talking on the phone. > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > >"Timmerman... Right. Where is he? Right." > She sighs as she puts down the phone. > >"Does this one have one of those horses?" the man wrapped in bandages >asked from where he was sitting. > >"No I don't think so... Even if he does that last time was a mistake >right?" > >"Uhhh. Right, it snuck up on me... Nobody would figure that a horse that >big and white could be so damn sneaky on marble." > >"Riiigghhtt. Lets go load the truck." > >"Alright, but if one of those thrice damned beasts shows up I'm leaving." > >"So am I." > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > >Dust rises as they drive off towards the airport. > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > >"Who gave you the info this time?" > >"I'm not sure, but It came from overseas." > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > >This is a renactment of something that is about to happen. Beware Mat, >They'll be at your door before you know it. > You know, the really scary thing is that the "treatment" probably wouldn't do much to me. I've already read most of Xanth (except for the last two), all the apprentice adept, the Incarnations, and the mode series. Mat -- shivering even now, while repeatedly peering over my shoulder. :) -- Mat Timmerman accmjt-+AT+-vaxc.hofstra.edu "I don't care what you smell, just get in there." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 17:11:39 -0400 From: dstorrs-+AT+-crossover.com (David K. Storrs) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Authors Message-ID: <199510272111.RAA27810-+AT+-prague.crossover.com> >Marion Zimmer Bradley is one of my other favourite authors as well. > >The problem is that only the "free amazons" stuff seems to be coming out and Marion is >seemingly concentrating on other writing. > >Not that I dislike the Free Amazons, but rather that I wish she'd see fit to explore other periods in >Darkover history. > >David. > > > I tried several of the Darkover books and just couldn't get into them... I felt that the language was stilted and pushy in a "faux-medieval" way, trying to give the books an atmosphere that they didn't have in and of themselves. I also couldn't manage to relate well to any of the characters -- for example, when what's-his-name (WHN) got his hand burned off by the Sharra crystal, I couldn't find anything in particular that was wrong with the way the situation or WHN's reactions, but I also found myself not giving a darn. Overall, I've been pretty disappointed in the Darkover books -- except for _The World Wreckers_ -- the concept of ecological espionage was a sufficiently cool twist to grab my interest, and TWW spent little time actually dealing with Darkovan society. Dave ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 17:02:52 -0400 From: dstorrs-+AT+-crossover.com (David K. Storrs) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Too Dim Villains (was Re: Tremane) Message-ID: <199510272102.RAA27791-+AT+-prague.crossover.com> >On Fri, 27 Oct 1995, Stacy Hunt DuVall wrote: >> >Han Solo- he had the nicest butt. >> >colette >> Hee, hee, and its still not too bad :-) > >To continue the shallow comments: >Harrison Ford's ass is a good reason to watch almost any movie.:-) >(Second to Val Kilmer's, of course...) > >-jenneke > >jsb-+AT+-phantom.com >new .sig in development > > I dunno...I guess it depends on whether you prefer the Correllian Bloodstripe to black rubber...and we won't go into the ramifications of THAT choice, now will we? :> Dave ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 16:50:28 -0400 From: dstorrs-+AT+-crossover.com (David K. Storrs) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: A new book to recommend Message-ID: <199510272050.QAA27770-+AT+-prague.crossover.com> >> >> Here is another author that I have not seen mentioned: >> Tamora Pierce and her Song of the Lioness quartet. It starts off with >> Alanna: The First Adventure. A set of twins, boy and girl, are being >> shipped off to become a knight and sorceress respectively. They look a >> lot alike and switch places, each going with their own preferences. The >> first is a good early adolescent adventure, but the stories mature as >> Alanna does. I gave them to my niece when she was about 10 to combat the >> Baby Sitter's club and she loved them. >> >> Others are In the Hand of the Goddess, The Woman who Rides like a Man, >> and Lioness Rampant. > >Also a follow-up series (The Immortals) in the works: consists so far of >"Wild Magic", "Wolf-Speaker", and "The Emperor Mage". Starts at least 10 >years after the first series ends. I think Tamora Pierce's writing is >maturing, too. > >Jean > > I remember reading those books when I was in grade school...I really enjoyed them at the time, and suspect that I would still enjoy them (albeit in a different way). If you aren't too mature to read "young adult" books, take a look at the Alanna series by all means! Dave PS I did think that the books slipped just a little bit, right at the end, when Alanna's brother Thom reentered the scene (there, that wasn't much of a spoiler, was it?). D -=* Member in Good Standing: Oberlin Non-Sequitor Society -=* "We may not make sense, but we do like pizza." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 10:34:00 EET From: "Sanna Koulu" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Tepper Message-ID: <5D2C02056C-+AT+-otdk.helsinki.fi> Mat Timmerman wrote: > From: Vivian Choh > > > > To date, the only spec. fiction book that I've > >never finished (usually, I'll just finish it no matter how bad it is) is > >the Hobbit. It took me years and years before I read the Lord of the Rings > >trilogy. I finally did, at the urging of a friend who insisted that > >trilogy was nothing like the Hobbit. Is that true BTW? Maybe one day, > >I'll try the Hobbit again... > > BLASPHEMER!!! ;> > > Just, kidding. LotR is really nothing like The Hobbit. In fact, > originally, Tolkien didn't even intend for them to be related. > The Hobbit was intended to be a children's book, based on bedtime > stories he told to _his_ children. The only reason that Frodo (the Bilbo, you mean? > main Hobbit character in LotR) is related to Frodo was that there > was a huge demand for a sequel to the Hobbit. Therefore, he just > kind of changed a few things around in the LotR (which he was > already writing) and tada, instant sequel. I thought the point was that LotR was the hybrid of Silmarillion + the rest of the history on one hand and the popularity of the hobbits on the other. As such, I think LotR is both warmer and more easily likable than Quenta Silmarillion, say, and deeper and more epic than the Hobbit. > > That's what I get for doing my "research an author" research paper > back in high school on Tolkien. Me too. :) -Seanna ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 00:44:40 -0800 From: gjuka-+AT+-cnw.com (Gjuka) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Tepper Message-ID: <9510300834.AA29585-+AT+-baker> > >>Oh, Vivian, don't be ashamed to admit you never finished the Hobbit. I >>have never read one Tolkien book. >runs away from the crazed villagers carrying torches.> I couldn't get >>through all the description in the Hobbit, which I tried to start. Well, >>I was much younger then, though. Maybe I'll try to read it during >>Intersession. I should hope I have a bigger attention span now. >> >>Adrienne > I will be the first to admitt that JRR Tolkien is long winded, But >the insight behind his writing is incredable. He is the father of fantasy >writing as we know it. ML comes close to him in this way, But he is the >only writer I've ever read who has an entire history for every character and >non-character whether they are mentioned once or a whole bunch of times. > Kyle Matheson > If you think Lord of The Rings is bad, try the Simarillion (sp?)! Not only is it long winded, but dry as unbuttered toast! I've been trying for years and can't get past page 50. I read Hobbit and the trillogy when I was eleven and loved it, but have never managed to get through it again. I havn't given up yet though. One day I'll get determined and do it. -Colette gjuka-+AT+-cnw.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 00:48:12 -0800 From: gjuka-+AT+-cnw.com (Gjuka) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Too Dim Villains (was Re: Tremane) Message-ID: <9510300837.AA29595-+AT+-baker> >>On Fri, 27 Oct 1995, Stacy Hunt DuVall wrote: >>> >Han Solo- he had the nicest butt. >>> >colette >>> Hee, hee, and its still not too bad :-) >> >>To continue the shallow comments: >>Harrison Ford's ass is a good reason to watch almost any movie.:-) >>(Second to Val Kilmer's, of course...) >> >>-jenneke >> >>jsb-+AT+-phantom.com >>new .sig in development >> >> > > I dunno...I guess it depends on whether you prefer the Correllian >Bloodstripe to black rubber...and we won't go into the ramifications of THAT >choice, now will we? :> > > Dave Ah, but just imagine Han Solo in rubber and call it even- eh? _Colette (continuing in the vein...) gjuka-+AT+-cnw.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 11:10:43 EET From: "Sanna Koulu" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: SEXISM Message-ID: <5DC8CF52EB-+AT+-otdk.helsinki.fi> Gjuka wrote: > > Erica Neely wrote: > > > >> On Thu, 26 Oct 1995, Sanna Koulu wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >> > (My apologies for ranting... it's th > at I get frustrated by > >> > postfeminists saying "REAL liberated women can dress as bimbos /read > >> > category romances /whatever - they get to choose" etc.) > >> > >> Out of curiousity, are you saying that liberated women can't read > >> category romances? Or dress as bimbos? > >> > >Well, actually, yes. There's the saying "feminist is a woman with > >comfortable shoes"; I mean if one wears crippling shoes, uses skin- > >destroying cosmetics, shaves one's legs, freezes in the winter > >because of that cutesy miniskirt, all in all inflicts pain on oneself > >to be attractive to males (or females), that's not liberated, that's > >masochistic sexism. I have nothing against dressing pretty - I just > >refuse to make myself into an beautiful object until males start > >doing the same. > >I confess, I read romances too - but I can recognize and laugh at the > >sexism. This isn't meant to be flaming or anything...just discussion. > > > > -Seanna (OK, it's off-topic, > > sorry) > > > When I dress up, it's always to please myself, not a man. Some days I like > baked potatoes with skin, some days mashed potatoes without skin. Its like > that with shaving my legs too. Most of the time I don't bother, but some > days its nice. Not much diffrent for men and beards. What IS diffrent, is > that women are EXPECTED to shave their legs. THAT is what is sexist, not > the act itself. Havens! Did I express myself that badly? I DO agree. I'm not saying shaving one's legs (wearing miniskirts etc etc) is, as such, "evil" and "sexist". But the expectations, as you pointed out, are. More insidiously, those expectations worm their way into our subconscious minds, until we necessarily don't know whether we want to dress up for ourselves or for "society". If you are confident enough to know you do it for yourself, my honest congratulations. I'm not. > Throwing out the baby with the bathwater if you see what I > mean. I agree that these expectations are unfair and sexist, but to say > that because of that we should do the reverse and say that it should not > ever be done at all is reactionary. Very true. To my mind, to do the opposite of what is expected is still to be ruled by those expectations. What I tried to say, is that we aren't _free_ to choose what we do the way we would in an ideal world. Women are brain-washed for most of their lives, by commercials, by books, movies, TV series ("Father Knows Best"), by schoolmates and relatives etc etc. So before we can make the choice ourselves we must know what our choices truly are. > To complain about lack of freedom and > then tell others that what they do is wrong is a bit hypocritical. Yes. But to try to make others aware of sexist and homophobic conditioning, even while trying to purge it from your own mind, is good, I think. I've been immeasurably enriched by knowing gay and feminist women who dared to work for what they believed. It doesn't need to be preaching, but really, can any woman afford not to work for disarming prejudice? > To > recognise the absudity of sexist customs or standards of beauty and freeing > oneself to BE ones self is another. To lead by example and do what it is > you WANT to do to express yourself without being controlled by society. So > shave or don't shave, but please don't tell me that I'm a victim if I > decide that once a month it's nice to have smooth legs. My, aren't we touchy! Are you sure you aren't a victim? Note that I'm not saying you _are_, I'm saying you need to consider that possibility. Denying reality rarely does any good. > It's not natural, > but neither are earrings, nice clothes, reading or pizza- but I'm not > giving them up. Humankind does a lot of things to "improve " their > appearance or attractiveness, including bathing, breathmints, haircuts, > clothing, ext... True. But that concept of attractiveness is based on artificial models. A woman shouldn't look like a barbie - our skin isn't plastic, our waist has to accommodate all our internal organs, our feet should be suitable for walking. A healthy, clean, fit homo sapiens (the same as any animal) is beautiful even stark naked and without any make- up. All the clothing and cosmetics are just additions. > It doesn't make it bad, just social. What is bad is being > forced to conform to standards that are impractical and painful in order to > maintain a social image. That is where awareness comes in. With awareness > comes the ability to choose. With choice comes freedom. Without choice, > its just another form of slavery. Yes. > > -Colette > > ps sorry this is so long and off topic Now it's even longer and still off-topic. :) Sorry. -Seanna ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 08:40:54 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine Osborne To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Anne McCaffrey Message-ID: all right, this message has lots of silly stuff, mostly non-list related. Robin Wood did a set of tarot cards that I will be obtaining as soon as I have the cash and have bought "Lovers, Legends" (my Firebird catalogue arrived Saturday.) I agree, his pictures are lovely. Han Solo has a nice butt, but Denzel Washington's is better ;) (I saw "Devil in a Blue Dress" this weekend. *Highly* recommended.) I liked the Menolly books, but have been able to get through no other McCaffrey. Owl, my favorite Rosemary Sutcliff is "Brother Dusty-Feet" but I've never read one of her books I didn't like. People who still get "Cricket" even though they're grown-up will know that she wrote the story "The Minstrel and the Dragon Pup" a recent serial. I was so upset to learn that she had died; her books got me interested in Romano-Celtic history and myth. Wonderful! I think that's all. Bye! I\/ Catherine Osborne "After great pain, I\/ Sundancer a formal feeling comes." I cosborne-+AT+-sidwell.edu --Emily Dickinson I http://www.sidwell.edu/~cosborne/ ------------------------------ End of MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 195 *********************************