MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 199 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) re: Books'n'such by gjuka-+AT+-cnw.com (Gjuka) 2) Re: books'n'such by "Sandy Haas" 3) Re: Cancel by "Sandy Haas" 4) Re: books'n'such by Rich Crawford 5) re: Books'n'such by Jean Morrill 6) Re: books'n'such by Mat Timmerman 7) halloween (sort of); *quite* off topic by Catherine Osborne 8) ;) by Catherine Osborne 9) Re: Hallowe'en by duvall.23-+AT+-postbox.acs.ohio-state.edu (Stacy Hunt DuVall) 10) Re: Hallowe'en by Jean Morrill 11) Re: Narnia by duvall.23-+AT+-postbox.acs.ohio-state.edu (Stacy Hunt DuVall) 12) Re: from Science Fiction to Fantasy by Stephanie Wukovitz 13) Re: Hallowe'en by Heather Mina 14) Re: Hallowe'en by Ned 15) Re: Hallowe'en by "Thomas, Daria" 16) Re: Tremane by GERKEJ-+AT+-MINNIE.HOLLINS.EDU 17) middle books by Hollie Virgin 18) RE: Firerose by URAMESS-+AT+-aol.com 19) Re: Too Dim Villains and a recommendation by "Cecile S. Ueltschey" 20) Re: SEXISM by "Cecile S. Ueltschey" 21) Re: books'n'such by Mat Timmerman 22) Re: books'n'such by CHONNI 23) Re: Hallowe'en by Wendy Hill 24) Re: Anne McCaffrey by RUNDLE-+AT+-wilma.bcasd.az.honeywell.com 25) Re: A new book to recommend by RUNDLE-+AT+-wilma.bcasd.az.honeywell.com 26) Re: books'n'such by Amy Mason 27) RE: Sexism by RUNDLE-+AT+-wilma.bcasd.az.honeywell.com 28) Back to Misty by RUNDLE-+AT+-wilma.bcasd.az.honeywell.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 09:26:28 -0800 From: gjuka-+AT+-cnw.com (Gjuka) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: re: Books'n'such Message-ID: <9510311716.AA14547-+AT+-baker> On the subject of the Young Adult sections in >Libraries!! I used to get so embarrassed when I would go into the section. >I would wait until no one was around and rush around and get the books I >wanted to borrow... I've outgrown that now, I now recommend books to all >the younglings I found browsing in that section of the Library!! > >Scarlett Yah, I used to do that too. I was reading adult books at a young age and I thought it embaressing to be seen in the young adult section. Boy I'm glad I outgrew that one! I would have missed a lot of good books! colette gjuka-+AT+-cnw.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 13:39:50 EDT From: "Sandy Haas" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: books'n'such Message-ID: <124074788-+AT+-rackham.umich.edu> > >Am I the only person who loves Tolkein? Dad read the Hobbit to me > >when I was very young, and then I read what seemed like a different > >book later. I read Tolkien one weekend when I was 14 or so, and have > >never had an experience quite the same. I felt completely dislocated > >from the real world for days. I still read it about once year, > >whenever I can spare the time. He ranks up there as one of the best > >fantasy writers for me. > > You are not alone, I promise you. Tolkien remains one of the most > treasured things in my personal library, and I reread it every year or > so...every fall I just get to feeling Tookish, if you know what I mean.:) > There's been a lot of talk about his extended description and metaphor, but > I guess I never even noticed that, if it's there at all. To me, it's > beautiful writing, creating a world so real and complex that it's become a > part of me. I can see these places, smell the air and hear the crunch of > leaves under my feet, and for me, that just doesn't happen with other books. > Ditto, ditto, ditto. If I could ONLY get through the Silmarilian (?). I really WANT to read this book and I CAN'T DO IT!! Is it one of those books that you should start in the middle?? Sandy Haas ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 13:41:47 EDT From: "Sandy Haas" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Cancel Message-ID: <12C795317-+AT+-rackham.umich.edu> > On Tue, 31 Oct 1995 Skymeat-+AT+-aol.com wrote: > > > MERCEDES-LACKEY CANCEL TODD MCKERNAN > > > > Oh No, Your ours, ours I tell you... We have your soul. > Such a pretty little soul, so bright and shiny. NO! Mine, it is our > precciouss, ours. Not for the nasty Hobbit to takes away. > > Uh I'm back. Sorry. > > --Gyrfalcon > "Gollum" You are one warped soul, and I love it!! I will be the first to buy you collected published works :} Sandy Haas ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 09:48:23 -0800 From: Rich Crawford To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: books'n'such Message-ID: <199510311748.JAA27859-+AT+-franc.ucdavis.edu> At 12:53 AM 10/31/95 GMT, you wrote: >> >> Did anyone else enjoy Tad Williams' series "Memory, Sorrow and Thorn" (_The >> Dragonbone Chair_, _Stone of Farewell_, and _To Green Angel Tower_)? I >> often feel like I'm the only one. >> > >You're not alone! I've only read _The Dragonbone Chair_ and _Stone of >Farewell_, but both are definitely worth reading, even if the characters >aren't quite as original as Misty's. To throw out another name, one of my >other favorite authors is David Brin (he's more sci-fi, but it's very >humanistic). His stuff was incredibly powerful, especially _The Postman_. > >later, >Irene > > David Brin is excellent! I honestly think he's probably the best hard-core SF writer around. I especially liked his Uplift War books (_Startide Rising_ and _The Uplift War_); I think that his plots and presentation of aliens and technologies is very original. His characters are well-thought out and have a great deal of depth; sometimes, though, I think some of them are a little cliched (Jacob from _Sundiver_ for example). I'm a little wary of his new trilogy for some reason. Has anyone read _Brightness Reef_? Is it worth spending $25 on? ............................................................................ ................................ Zhai'helleva Rich ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 10:50:55 -0700 From: Jean Morrill To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: re: Books'n'such Message-ID: <199510311750.KAA07691-+AT+-torrent.hwr.arizona.edu> Two other young adult authors I always liked and would recommend: Diana Wynne Jones and Joan Aiken. DWJ: Power of Three, Charmed Life, Howl's Moving Castle, and many more. um...Archer's Goon, Magicians of Caprona (it has cats in it), Castle in the Air, 8 Days of Luke...there's more, too. There's also a series of 4 books, two of which are 'Cart and Cwidder' and 'The Spellcoats'. They are about to be (or may already be) published in a single volume. Joan Aiken: a lot of stand-alone books, and a couple series. Some of her stuff is fantasy, some if it non-fantasy alternative history. One of her more popular series consists of 'Wolves of Willoughby Chase', 'Black Hearts in Battersea', 'Nightbirds on Nantucket', # 4 a really- sub-standard-book-I didn't-like-whose-title-I've-forgotten, 'The Cuckoo Tree', and 'Is Underground'. Jean ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 14:22:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Mat Timmerman To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: books'n'such Message-ID: <01HX3CUXQEGI935XLQ-+AT+-vaxc.hofstra.edu> From: "Katherine M. Brielmaier" > >*on another note* >Mat T. recommended Diane Duane's young adult books about wizardry (So You >Want to be a Wizard? etc.), and I wholeheartedly second the >recommendation. Those are another favorite part of my library, and I >enjoyed every second of reading them (and re-reading them). I was >beginning to think I was the only one who'd ever heard of them though! (I >just about kissed the screen when I saw that, Mat.) I am awaiting the next >book in the series with feverish impatience. Kiss away ;) I'm waiting eagerly for _The Cats of Grand Central_ too. There's an exerpt from it on DD's web page. The URL for the exerpt is http://www.ibmpcug.co.uk/~owls/cgc.htm (and no, that's not supposed to be "cgc.html"). I first read _So, You...._ when I was about ten or so. I never even realized that there were sequels until the Sci-Fi bookclub featured the omnibus of the first three. Needless to say, I ordered it right away. I got the newest one from the Future Fantasy on-liine bookstore a few months ago. Eeww. Gotta go to my Comp Sci class now. Mat -- Mat Timmerman accmjt-+AT+-vaxc.hofstra.edu "I don't care what you smell, just get in there." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 14:34:56 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine Osborne To: mercedes lackey list Subject: halloween (sort of); *quite* off topic Message-ID: one of the local Baptist churches (I should explain that I live in Brookland, a neighborhood in Washington DC AKA "Little Rome" because there are so many churches, seminarys, religious schools, Catholic University of America, etc. located there) left a flier in my door (oh yeah, my neighborhood is also at least 90% black; trust me, its important.) The flier said: Halloween party, 2-4 pm on Saturday. Biblical character, ethnic, or historical African-American costumes only. I was amused at this being left in my personal white pagan bisexual mailbox. ;) Sorry this is so random. Anyone care to speculate on the cuteness of Vanyel's (insert anatomical characteristic of your choice here) as opposed to Harrison Ford, Denzel Washington, or Val Kilmer (who I have never seen.)? ;) I\/ Catherine Osborne "After great pain, I\/ Sundancer a formal feeling comes." I cosborne-+AT+-sidwell.edu --Emily Dickinson I http://www.sidwell.edu/~cosborne/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 14:36:36 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine Osborne To: mercedes lackey list Subject: ;) Message-ID: anyway, everyone try to remember that "relevant" is subjective ;) I\/ Catherine Osborne "After great pain, ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 14:36:54 -0500 From: duvall.23-+AT+-postbox.acs.ohio-state.edu (Stacy Hunt DuVall) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Hallowe'en Message-ID: <199510311936.OAA22506-+AT+-postbox.acs.ohio-state.edu> ON Halloween, Sunfalcon wrote: On the subject of "Hell Night" > > Hmm. Might be fun to watch. I'm probably a little behind the >times on just what is sufficient to get you a ticket to Hell. > > Happy All Hallows Eve, everyone! > > The Wordsmith of Irymar Hmmm, if you had seen the news story on it, you may not think its fun. Graphic displays of a staged abortion, teen suicide, ect. I found it very disturbing and just plain wrong when I saw the report. Sigh...I remember when it was just a case of not eating the apples people handed out on Halloween (except for the ones that the nuns gave out. We felt pretty sure that those were safe ;-). Besides, I think that Halloween is a good experience for kids. After all, I learned not to eat so much candy in one sitting :-P. Stacy Hunt DuVall duvall.23-+AT+-osu.edu "Black holes are where God is dividing by zero" ---anonymous ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 12:46:00 -0700 From: Jean Morrill To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Hallowe'en Message-ID: <199510311946.MAA10706-+AT+-rain.hwr.arizona.edu> I am confused, or maybe just mentally mixing up old celebrations. I thought Halloween has something to do with the end of the Harvest season also. What and when is the holiday where people used to (maybe still do) celebrate the end of the harvest/beginning of winter? And (or is this yet another celebration) couples jump hand-in-hand over fire/piles-of-coals/ broomsticks to ensure either a happy year together, or fertility, or both. It's definitely been too long since I studied anything other than hydrology or atmospheric physics. Save me!! Jean p.s. Since I have no object to Halloween as a holiday or a day of fun, I am dressed as a Bajoran (from Star Trek) complete with earring and nose ridges (which itch). Today my department also boasts a witch, a ghost, a water diviner, and a geologist. Is anyone else is costume? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 14:47:16 -0500 From: duvall.23-+AT+-postbox.acs.ohio-state.edu (Stacy Hunt DuVall) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Narnia Message-ID: <199510311947.OAA26290-+AT+-postbox.acs.ohio-state.edu> On Tue, 31 Oct 1995,Tygra Nightblades wrote: > Hey! What about Tim Roth? Or Cary Elwes? Or... > I am not who I am...can't you tell? > Oh dear. That chem test affected me more than I thought. Oh come on :-). Chemistry exams are great. Either you come out feeling pretty smart or you feel that it would have been just as effective if the instructor had passed out bricks on which to beat your head. Very little middle ground. While we're listing, how about Tim Robbins -Stacy (A chemistry grad student :) Stacy Hunt DuVall duvall.23-+AT+-osu.edu "Black holes are where God is dividing by zero" ---anonymous ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 11:52:45 -0800 From: Stephanie Wukovitz To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk, steph-+AT+-newton.mbi.ucla.edu Subject: Re: from Science Fiction to Fantasy Message-ID: <9510311952.AA07258-+AT+-newton.mbi.ucla.edu> Heh, my SFF experiences are very different from SCott's...*my* dad has a huge (1000s and 1000s) collection of SFF (more oriented towards scifi, which is how my preferences run too) and I love to go visit home. The few term papers I was required to write for HS English were on SF, and I always got encouragement to read the stuff. In fact, my dad is the one who pointed me towards Misty...he'd gotten te Arrows trilogy from the SF Book Club by mistake, and handed it to me as something he thought I might like (though he guessed he wouldn't, which I think is pretty much correct). -Stephanie ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Oct 95 14:57:47 GMT+0000 From: Heather Mina To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Hallowe'en Message-ID: <9510311958.AA00456-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk> At 06:59 PM 10/31/95 GMT, you wrote: > >Sorry about this: I just dealt with a claim by someone over on >alt.fan.eddings that was arguing that is God stopped willing the univers >too exist, then it would disappear. He based this on the theory by some >philosopher named Berkley that claimed that nothing exists except for >when we perceive it. (I guess he is sayint that a tree cannot fall in >the forest if noone is there to hear it, since it doesn't exist unless >there is someone there....) > You know, one of my favorite views on the universe was presented by (forgive me...) Piers Anthony in his Incarnations of Immortality series. Basically, the theory there was that God had gotten so caught up in his own glory that he did not realize that anything else in the universe existed. Meanwhile, Satan, who was just doing his job as the Incarnation of Evil, continued to try to win over the balance of souls. It was pretty neat. Next facorite was Heinlein's Stranger in a Strange Land. I think I would hate to live with Jubal Harshaw, but he's got some great ideas! A story idea that I've been kicking around has to do with the idea that bad living conditions (violence, having to struggle to survive) breed stronger people. So what if God intentionally created a harsh environment (over the foundation of religion, so that you always have something to believe in, even when the going gets really rough) in order to create a strong army of people, perhaps to battle other deities? It is by no means fleshed out, but is interesting to play with in my mind when it is 3 a.m. and I'm not asleep yet. Anyway, the whole Hallowe'en = D&D = Doom = *whatever else* = devil worship thing just bites my you-know-what. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> < The time has come, the walrus said > < to talk of many things, > < Of shoes and ships and sealing wax, > < of cabbages and kings. > < --- Lewis Carroll > <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Heather L. Mina hlmina-+AT+-vwc.edu heamin-+AT+-sunshine.vab.unisysgsg.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 15:21:51 -0500 (EST) From: Ned To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Hallowe'en Message-ID: On Tue, 31 Oct 1995, Jerry Cullingford wrote: > Looks like the standard Religious Definition effect - it's difficult to have > a dialog when people are operating from different, and mutually incompatible, > basic premises. If one set of people take the view that worship of anything > other than the Xian God must - by their definition - be devil worship, then > there's a major problem trying to convince them otherwise. On the other hand, > I'd hardly classify typical halloween activity - which presumably is what > the school was on about - as "worship", anyway :-). Extortion, or demanding > goodies with menaces, maybe... I know! I know! We are teaching them that begging is an acceptable occupation. Or that extortion of goods (treats) under the threat of some repercusion (trick) is acceptable behavior. My gods! What are we teaching these children!!! This is the cause of all the problems in the US today!!!! Sorry, I've been reading the "Letters to the Editor" too much lately. I had best go lie down. Does anyone have some dried frog pills? I think I need them... > > At the end of the day, all you can do is recognise that different religions > are always likely to have differences of opinion; All you can do is follow > your own path, allow others to do the same and hope that they will accord > you the same courtesy, and educate those willing to listen in order to reduce > misunderstandings based on ignorance. The nasty problems arise when one > religion (or religous leader) teaches that another religion is not just > misguided or wrong, but actively evil, and to-be-stamped-out; I don't think > there's a good solution to that problem, unfortunately :-(. There isn't, which is why any religion with political power makes me nervous... Zhai'helleva Ned Ned Adams aka S. Baldrick Sometimes it is better to light a sbaldric-+AT+-roanoke.infi.net flamethrower than to curse the darkness (540) 890-0212 (T. Pratchett) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Oct 95 14:24:00 cst From: "Thomas, Daria" To: mercedes-lackey Subject: Re: Hallowe'en Message-ID: <30968649-+AT+-mailsrvr.bussvc.wisc.edu> >Yah well, I find it irritating and exasperating that many Christians truely >believe that all hallows eve is evil- particlularly since it is also part >of a Christian Holliday as well as Pagan (All Saints Day/ Day of The Dead). >I tend to put it in the same section as people who think may pole dances >are cute and picture young virgins doing it. (my old high school german >class does them every year like clock work. The pole is more authentic than >most, and it stays up all year if you can believe it!) It is more harmfull >to the Pagan comunity though, because we get a lot of bad press this time >of year. I hate it when newspapers don't do thier research and say stuff >like "well witches do such and such..." Kinda like the reporter in Children >of the Night (remember Misty? ). Halloween is sometimes a trial, but >usually not too bad. > >coltte > > >gjuka-+AT+-cnw.com You know, I find this interesting. Speaking as a Christian myself, I seem to be lucky--I was raised thinking of Halloween as All Saint's Day and a chance for a lot of candy. But a friend of mine who teaches in a strict Jewish daycare is having fits because the kids aren't allowed to even mention Halloween there, since "it's a Christian holiday." Why do people do these things to themselves--and their kids? -Daria ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 15:41:42 -0500 (EST) From: GERKEJ-+AT+-MINNIE.HOLLINS.EDU To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Tremane Message-ID: <951031154142.2023ba67-+AT+-MINNIE.HOLLINS.EDU> > > On Mon, 30 Oct 1995, David K. Storrs wrote: > >> If you want to have an out and out evil person in a story, it's >> difficult to do -- most 20th century people have never encountered true evil >> (I know I haven't) and would have trouble believing that anyone could be so >> bad. Therefore, it is easier to portray villains as insane, or >> misunderstood, or *something* in order to give a "justification" for the >> behavior of the character. > > As we continue to spin off topic ... I would like your opinion on a trend > in literature (both speculative and non) that I've noticed recently. I'm > taking a creative writing class in which we're reading an anthology of > contemporary short stories, and it seems like the bulk of them center > around a character who is insane, simpleminded, or both. I really don't > like this at all. Writing an insane character seems to me like a > copout. "Gee, my character can do any perverse and disgusting thing I > want him to do, because he's insane." I think it's more of a challenge > to write a "normal" person with real problems that a lot of people have, > and leading that person along a path that will lead him/her to recovery, > or will sink them further into their own depression/immorality/whatever. > I believe that it is essential to give a reason for evildoing - I can't > accept a character that is evil for evil's sake. Even if a person is > mentally unbalanced, something happened to make them that way. Does > anyone out there agree? Rhonda I agree entirely! How can we ever write about someone without explaining their motives and how they got there? When you write about someone who is insane I expect some background. Who is interested in what an insane person will do if they don't now their reasons for being this way? I think that if read about an insane person then I would want to know why they were that way, then I would know wether to feel sorry for them or not. That is the one thing I really dislike about some of Misty's work. (pulling this off-topic post back on topic.) I don't get to find out why these evil characters are so evil or why they have such a dislike of Valdamar. If I found out something from thier past that would explain this (like their father or mother had a strong dislike of heralds and taught their child to feel this way) then I think I would get more out of the evil villians. Then the conflict of the story would no longer just be between the characters, but we could also get some of the inner conflict that the villian faces. This is what intices me to the Magic series. We get to see the conflict that Vanyel faces as he grows into the man that he is. I want Misty to do some of this with a villian. Reading over this I realize that this will probably makes no sense, so good luck everyone. :) -Jennie ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 15:44:06 -0500 (EST) From: Hollie Virgin To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: middle books Message-ID: <199510312044.PAA16116-+AT+-service1.cc.uky.edu> On Mon, 30 Oct 1995, Shadow-Lover wrote: >BTW: I resent that remark about Magic's Promise! I happen to be >in that book! I lurved all three of Vanyel's stories... If I >didn't already know the ending (and fear that a new one would kill some >of the magic in those books, and I don't mean magecraft) I'd almost >wish she'd go back and fill in the blanks... *grin* No offence intended, good sir...(certainly don't want to be on Death's bad side...*chuckle*) I "lurved" all the Vanyel books too...I just didn't lurve that one quite as much as the other two. :) I think the only Misty trilogy that I liked the middle one best was the Winds series...mostly 'cuz of all the stuff with Elspeth and Darkwind...what can I say, I'm a hopeless romantic... *grin* Anyone want to figure out how to make a Vale for me? *shivers in the chilly Kentucky Halloween weather* I really need one of those hot springs...and a couple of hertasi...they'd love this apartment, so much for them to clean up... Oh, and to whom it may apply...Happy New Year! :) :) Hollie Virgin ehvirg00-+AT+-pop.uky.edu "She will remember your heart when men are fairytales in books written by rabbits." -The Last Unicorn ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 15:43:00 -0500 From: URAMESS-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: RE: Firerose Message-ID: <951031154259_79514691-+AT+-mail04.mail.aol.com> I could agree more with Firefly. I read it after Storm Rising. I was very happy with both of these books. Firerose was a different twist then we are used to seeing from ML. READ IT READ IT!! Matt J ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 15:01:37 -0600 (CST) From: "Cecile S. Ueltschey" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Too Dim Villains and a recommendation Message-ID: On Fri, 27 Oct 1995, Amy Mason wrote: > On Fri, 27 Oct 1995, Alison Schiff wrote: > > > > >Regarding: > > > >What do you like to see in a "good" villan? > > > > > One book that I just finished that had a wonderful villan was "Fifth Quarter" > > by Tanya Huff. This is the sequel to "Sing the Four Quarters" (don't remember > > much about that villan). Has anybody else read these? I heartily > > recommend them, esp. "Fifth Quarter" > > > > Alison Schiff (new) > > schiff-+AT+-trenton.edu > > I've read "Sing the Four Quarters" and I throughly enjoyed it. I would > recommend it. I was personally unaware of the sequel though, I'll look > into that. > > Amy :) > Do that, Amy. Fifth Quarter came out earlier in the summer (I found out about in on the a.b.m-l group (I think!)). It is set on the same world as SFQ, but is in the Empire (? - can't remember the name of it) that Annice's brother's (the king) wife is from. It's a different view, but I liked it a lot. All being enclosed, its good! ;) Cecile ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 15:06:42 -0600 (CST) From: "Cecile S. Ueltschey" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: SEXISM Message-ID: On Sat, 28 Oct 1995, Gjuka wrote: > When I dress up, it's always to please myself, not a man. Some days I like > baked potatoes with skin, some days mashed potatoes without skin. Its like > that with shaving my legs too. Most of the time I don't bother, but some > days its nice. Not much diffrent for men and beards. What IS diffrent, is > that women are EXPECTED to shave their legs. THAT is what is sexist, not > the act itself. Hooray Colette!!! Cecile ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 16:20:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Mat Timmerman To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: books'n'such Message-ID: <01HX3H8TYBW2936219-+AT+-vaxc.hofstra.edu> From: Rich Crawford > >Did anyone else enjoy Tad Williams' series "Memory, Sorrow and Thorn" (_The >Dragonbone Chair_, _Stone of Farewell_, and _To Green Angel Tower_)? I >often feel like I'm the only one. Read them. Liked them. Didn't love them. :) There are all together too many long scenes with Simon being lost/confused. It really started to get on my nerves. Williams also gets way too wordy at times. Mat -- Mat Timmerman accmjt-+AT+-vaxc.hofstra.edu "I don't care what you smell, just get in there." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 13:37:05 -0800 (PST) From: CHONNI To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: books'n'such Message-ID: On Mon, 30 Oct 1995, Rich Crawford wrote: > > Did anyone else enjoy Tad Williams' series "Memory, Sorrow and Thorn" (_The > Dragonbone Chair_, _Stone of Farewell_, and _To Green Angel Tower_)? I > often feel like I'm the only one. > > ........................................................................... > ............................... > Zhai'helleva > Rich > > I LOVE Tad Williams' "Memory, Sorrow and Thorn"! I got interested in him when I read _Tailchaser's Song_, and picked up _Dragonbone Chair_ because of it. My only beef was that it took him forever to write each novel, but considering the quality of all of the books, it was worth waiting for. Oddly enough, Williams' books are the only ones that I've actually found people in my area enjoyed. Whenever a new book came out, people on campus would walk up to each other and exclaim, "The next book is out! Have you read it yet?" *********************************************************************** -Chonni Brightwolf (Katherine Moll, student) University College of the Cariboo British Columbia, CANADA ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 08:33:31 +22303754 (EETDT) From: Wendy Hill To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Hallowe'en Message-ID: On Tue, 31 Oct 1995, Heather Mina wrote: > Is anyone beside me irritated by the fact that much of America seems to > honestly think that Hallowe'en is a night of devil worship? No, I'm more worried about America importing their "days" on the rest of the western world. Australia doesn't really go in for Halloween but in the last couple of years, kids are coming around trying to get free lollies (Great!! Free lollies!) They don't understand the idea behind the night. I'm a youth leader. When we're trying to decide what to do in this term, each year one of the kids mentions a Halloween party. I say no. 1) Because some of the Christian parents get upset about a Pagan ritual. 2) More important. Because of the amount of United States culture being forced down Australian throats. Besides, pumpkins aren't in season until about March. Sorry for the rant, but it gets up my nose. Wendy ***************************************************************** _________________ T T T T T T T T Wendy Hill I I I I I I I I W.Hill-+AT+-nla.gov.au I I I I I I I I National Library of Australia T T T T T T T T Phone: +61 06 262 1645 =================== Fax: +61 06 273 1180 ***************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 14:58:49 -0700 (MST) From: RUNDLE-+AT+-wilma.bcasd.az.honeywell.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Anne McCaffrey Message-ID: <951031145849.2240aeaf-+AT+-wilma.bcasd.az.honeywell.com> Just a brief foreword - I finally caught up on the over 150 message backlog! So I'll be replying to some semi-old (less than a week, honest!) posts. I figure it's easier to send a few short notes than one big one! And chances are someone might actually read 'em if they are short enough. Regarding: >As for the dragonriders...F'nor is my favourite, without a doubt. Has >anyone seen the book _The People of Pern_? It's got paintings by Robin Wood >of lots of the main characters. And although some of them are just plain >_wrong,_ there are a couple that are just incredible. F'nor Impressing his >gold fire-lizard (whose name I don't remember, argh! Was it something like >Grall?), Robinton with Zair peeking through his hair, Mirrim cradling Path's >head in her lap... *sighs happily* > I did like F'Nor. But Robinton was definitely the best picture. Yup, I bought the book too. I was a huge McCaffrey fan about 4 or 5 years ago, couldn't get enough. >I love that book! I've looked at it so many times I'm surprised the book is >still in one lovely piece. Robin Wood is an incredible painter. I too love >Mirrim and Path, but my favorite is the portrait of the Masterharper, who also >was my favorite character. I love the wineglass and his little gold fire >lizard! Hated Mirrim. Oh I know, you are talking about the picture, but since I have always despised the character I simply ignore the picture. She's a vicious little b***h and if I could have, I would have reached into the books and strangled her any number of times, particularly in the White Dragon (can you tell I liked Jaxom particularly well?) StarWolf ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 14:59:58 -0700 (MST) From: RUNDLE-+AT+-wilma.bcasd.az.honeywell.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: A new book to recommend Message-ID: <951031145958.2240aeaf-+AT+-wilma.bcasd.az.honeywell.com> I just had to say that this is really cool! What's it from? StarWolf "Though my soul may set in darkness, It will rise in perfect light, I have loved the stars too fondly To be fearful of the night...." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 14:05:40 -0800 (PST) From: Amy Mason To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: books'n'such Message-ID: On Tue, 31 Oct 1995, Helen M. Wilfehrt wrote: > Has anyone else tried Dan Simmons's "Hyperion" and "Fall of Hyperion"? I > really enjoyed them but found them a bit wordy as well. > > Helen > h-wilfehrt-+AT+-nwu.edu I picked up _Hyperion_ a couple of years ago, but I couldn't get into it. It was just boring to me. It's still sitting on my shelf collecting dust...... Amy :) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 15:10:46 -0700 (MST) From: RUNDLE-+AT+-wilma.bcasd.az.honeywell.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: RE: Sexism Message-ID: <951031151046.2240aeaf-+AT+-wilma.bcasd.az.honeywell.com> >> To >> recognise the absudity of sexist customs or standards of beauty and freeing >> oneself to BE ones self is another. To lead by example and do what it is >> you WANT to do to express yourself without being controlled by society. So >> shave or don't shave, but please don't tell me that I'm a victim if I >> decide that once a month it's nice to have smooth legs. >My, aren't we touchy! Are you sure you aren't a victim? Note that I'm >not saying you _are_, I'm saying you need to consider that >possibility. Denying reality rarely does any good. -Colette >As for victims- arn't we all? I must say I'm deeply disappointed to see these kinds of attitudes. Particularly that last one. We're all victims? Come on. That's the exact attitude that puts you on the wrong side of the eight-ball every time. You are only a victim if you make yourself one. I am not a victim. I may be subjected to sexism, but I am not a victim of it, unless I choose to be. I accept certain types of sexism because it makes *my* life easier (i.e. conforming in dress etc to the standards of my office). When I disagree strongly enough, I go against the standard. But I refuse to stand on a soapbox outside the office yelling at every woman who comes by with makeup on, or a short skirt on that she is a victim, and she must cease pandering to the evil white males! I refuse to go around hairy just because *you* seem to feel it's necessary to make me a woman. If you feel victimized do something about it. But don't go around telling me how to dress, talk, walk, etc. I am the woman I am and I have no interest whatever in being the woman you seem to think I should be. Come on folks. Get over it. StarWolf *********************************************************************** "It stands to reason that where there's sacrifice, there's someone collecting sacrificial offerings. Where there is service, there is someone being served. The man who speaks to you of sacrifice speaks of slaves and masters. And intends to be master." Ayn Rand "I would rather live in a society which treated children as adults than one which treated adults as children." Lizard "The care of every man's soul belongs to himself. But what if he neglect the care of it? Well what if he neglect the care of his health or his estate, which would more nearly relate to the state. Will the magistrate make a law that he not be poor or sick? Laws provide against injury from others; but not from ourselves. God himself will not save men against their wills." Thomas Jefferson *********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 15:14:57 -0700 (MST) From: RUNDLE-+AT+-wilma.bcasd.az.honeywell.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Back to Misty Message-ID: <951031151457.2240aeaf-+AT+-wilma.bcasd.az.honeywell.com> Here's a quote that kinda goes back to Misty's "there is no one true way": Yup, from Thomas Jefferson no less (the evil white male :) "It does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods or no god. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg." Thomas Jefferson StarWolf - whose seldom been as pissed off as she is when that crap about sexism came across her screen. We are all victims? Aargh. ------------------------------ End of MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 199 *********************************