MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 201 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Narnia by ristuben-+AT+-webstar.net (erik ristuben) 2) Re: Narnia by Adrienne York 3) Re: MERCEDES-LACKEY digest 197 by "Katherine M. Brielmaier" 4) Re: Hallowe'en by "And at the closing of the day, She loosed the chain and down she lay, The 5) RE: Sexism by "Sanna Koulu" 6) Re: Hallowe'en by "Sanna Koulu" 7) Re: halloween (sort of); *quite* off topic by "Sanna Koulu" 8) Re: middle books by "Sanna Koulu" 9) Re: NEW POLL! by Stephanie Wukovitz 10) ADMIN: fix that address! by mel (Melanie Dymond Harper) 11) Re: Tremane by Erica Neely 12) Re: A new book to recommend by Rosario Holsen-Baker 13) Re: A new book to recommend by ahendon-+AT+-amanda.dorsai.org 14) Re: Off the subject just a bit... by Rosario Holsen-Baker 15) Re: halloween (sort of); *quite* off topic by Rosario Holsen-Baker 16) Re: halloween (sort of); *quite* off topic by Catherine Osborne 17) Re: Hallowe'en by Ned 18) RE: book recomendations by Rhonda Rodriguez 19) Re: Hallowe'en by Ned 20) Re: middle books by Rhonda Rodriguez 21) Re: Hallowe'en by CODIORNE-+AT+-WELLESLEY.EDU 22) re: Casting Vanyel was Halloween *quite* off topic... by "Scarlett E. Blizzard" 23) Re: middle books by CODIORNE-+AT+-WELLESLEY.EDU 24) RE: book recomendations by Fiona Graham 25) Re: Narnia by "Sandy Haas" 26) Re: Hallowe'en by Heather Mina 27) Re: A new book to recommend by jc-+AT+-crosfield.co.uk (Jerry Cullingford) 28) Re: A new book to recommend by "Thomas, Daria" 29) Re: A new book to recommend by "Thomas, Daria" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 31 Oct 95 22:27 CST From: ristuben-+AT+-webstar.net (erik ristuben) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Narnia Message-ID: >About Bradley's _Mists of Avalon_ and _The Forest House_.... I read >"Mists" first and thoroughy enjoyed it. It was different from all the >King Arthur/Sir Lancelot stories I've ever read. I liked Marion's use of >magic in the goddesses. About _The Forest House_ I was disappointed in >the beginning. There was hardly any fantasy to the story. It wasn't >until the later half of the story when she started using the magic of the >goddess. It took me a while to connect "forest" with "mists", because it >is titled as the "prequel" to Mists. Anybody else like to comment? > >Amy :) > I read Mists of Avalon when I was in High School and I loved it because it was told from the so called "evil woman"'s point of view and you realize that maybe a lot of bad guys are really just on the losing side of some historian's imaginination. Like how history books are written differently in every country; of course no one is going to come out and say: we went to war, we were the bad guys, we lost because god was against us :) Unfortunately, I don't think that MZB was able to capture the texture of Mists in The Forest House, if that was her intention. I have read the Firebrand and believe that this book came much closer to the pain and anguish of my favorite MoA. Pain and suffering is great to read about, isn't it? Just so long as it is only fantasy. :) > Firefly ristuben-+AT+-webstar.net ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 23:31:45 -0500 (EST) From: Adrienne York To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Narnia Message-ID: On Wed, 1 Nov 1995 RUNDLE-+AT+-wilma.bcasd.az.honeywell.com wrote: > > I have the fondest memories of these books, though I found a few years > ago I could no longer read them - unfortunately I seem to have outgrown > them. Perhaps someday I will grow into them again? Outgrow Narnia? It's possible to outgrow NARNIA? Oh no, maybe that's why I haven't read it in two years. But I don't wanna outgrow Narnia. I *love* Aslan. How can you get to big for Narnia? This is a scary thought. ;];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];] ;] Adrienne York-Minor ;] ;] "There is no 'One, True Way'" Valdemaran Law Codes ;] ;] ayork-+AT+-simons-rock.edu ;] ;];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Oct 95 23:53:05 CST From: "Katherine M. Brielmaier" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: MERCEDES-LACKEY digest 197 Message-ID: <94945.brie0030-+AT+-gold.tc.umn.edu> On Wed, 1 Nov 1995 04:33:38 GMT, Barbara G. Jacob-McDowell wrote: > > What is this "How to be a Wizard"? Seems to me I tried to order it >once from a Waldenbooks and never heard anything again. Where can I get >it? This wasn't exactly addressed to me, but I'll answer anyway. :) There are four Young Adult books by Diane Duane (commonly called the "Young Wizards" series) which include: So You Want To Be A Wizard? Deep Wizardry High Wizardry A Wizard Abroad and forthcoming is The Cats of Grand Central They're pretty dang hard to find right now, at least in the U.S. (in fact, I had to order my own copies--I first found them at my friendly public library--from Cornwall, and they should be here around December or so, YAY!) But as I mentioned earlier, Harcourt Brace is going to rerelease them here next year, so you should be able to get them then. Otherwise, Future Fantasy On-line is always a good place to look--that's how I got A Wizard Abroad. So there you go. And yeah, they are a bit silly, but that's part of the fun! > > Boo! > > --Barra, who regrets that at 46 > she is the youngest person living > in her building, so no > kids coming > by tonight. 8^( > > Awww. Too bad! Those little snaggle-toothed hobgoblins are so much fun! 's e do bheatha Kaatje ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Nov 1995 16:05:07 +1100 From: "And at the closing of the day, She loosed the chain and down she lay, The To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Hallowe'en Message-ID: > it started out as the Celtic Feast of the Dead. Maybe I'm wrong. But I > don't think it had anything to do with Harvest. Sorry. Have fun tonight!!! Halloween comes from All Hallow's Eve, otherwise known as Sahmain (I can't remember if that is the right spelling of the top of my head) and is comparable to Sovvan in Misty's books -smile- It is supposedly the night where the gates are open between this world and the enxt (amongst other things) and a night when the grief for those who have departed during the previous year can be mourned =) Sin ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 10:27:17 EET From: "Sanna Koulu" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: RE: Sexism Message-ID: <8D10B164CF-+AT+-otdk.helsinki.fi> I though this topic was closed, since "everybody" more or less agreed on the basic issue, and since it doesn't have anything to do with Misty, really. But the discussion is still going, so I wanted to comment on the opinions and the way they are expressed. StarWolf wrote: > >> To > >> recognise the absudity of sexist customs or standards of beauty and freeing > >> oneself to BE ones self is another. To lead by example and do what it is > >> you WANT to do to express yourself without being controlled by society. So > >> shave or don't shave, but please don't tell me that I'm a victim if I > >> decide that once a month it's nice to have smooth legs. > > >My, aren't we touchy! Are you sure you aren't a victim? Note that I'm > >not saying you _are_, I'm saying you need to consider that > >possibility. Denying reality rarely does any good. > > -Colette > >As for victims- arn't we all? > > I must say I'm deeply disappointed to see these kinds of attitudes. > Particularly that last one. We're all victims? Come on. That's > the exact attitude that puts you on the wrong side of the eight-ball > every time. You are only a victim if you make yourself one. I am > not a victim. I may be subjected to sexism, but I am not a victim > of it, unless I choose to be. I didn't bring up the term "victim", but I think it's apt. We speak of victims of Auschitz (however you spell it) - and these the people who showed enormous courage and determination, and who survived the experience. Being a victim, doesn't -or didn't originally- imply that you _accepted_ (or even earned!) the situation. Being subjected to sexism makes you a victim, whether you are male or female, old or young.It makes you a victim of prejudice, of disapproval, or even of more brutal violence. I think that to say that "women are only victims if they choose to be" is ridiculous and offensive. The women who are raped, imprisoned in hateful marriages, who earn half the wage of a man - how can you say they should _make the choice_ not to be victims? In effect, you are blaming them for their situation! > I accept certain types of sexism > because it makes *my* life easier (i.e. conforming in dress etc to > the standards of my office). Don't we all? > When I disagree strongly enough, I > go against the standard. But I refuse to stand on a soapbox outside > the office yelling at every woman who comes by with makeup on, or a > short skirt on that she is a victim, and she must cease pandering > to the evil white males! I refuse to go around hairy just because *you* > seem to feel it's necessary to make me a woman. If you feel victimized > do something about it. But don't go around telling me how to dress, > talk, walk, etc. I am the woman I am and I have no interest whatever > in being the woman you seem to think I should be. What? Why are you attacking me? Where, exactly, did I tell you how to dress, talk, walk etc.? I am stunned by your vehemence, really. I am being victimized, yes. I am also doing something about it. Part of the doing is trying to point out to others how sexism affects them (such as the claim, that women can't be sexist, that started this conversation.) I definitely am not trying to tell you what you should do; it's your own damn business. I don't want to judge anybody; I am not fit to. I am not trying to preach and get all women to revolt - and possibly lose their lives in the process. If you choose to "pander to evil white males", as you so gracefully put it, it is your own choice. What I _am_ doing is to try to help this world before the human race is extinct or worse. I am _trying_ to speak for tolerance, for awareness, and for peace. I am trying to oppose the system of beliefs that oppresses both men and women, straights and gays. Are you saying we shouldn't even try to change the society? > Come on folks. Get over it. Get over what? I don't get it. Stars to light you path! -Seanna, who really is confused by the vehemence shown here. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 10:53:11 EET From: "Sanna Koulu" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Hallowe'en Message-ID: <8D7F3C16E1-+AT+-otdk.helsinki.fi> Rich Crawford wrote: > <*CHOMP*> > > > I wonder if they ever stop to think that the timing of Christmas is not so > >coincidentially right around Yule ( and isn't Yuletide an accepted word > >used to describe that time of year? (OK< so it is a retorical question..)). Just as an aside: the Finnish and Swedish words, at least, for Christmas are forms of "Yule" > > <*Crunch. Chew chew chew. Yum.*> > > I might be wrong about this, but wasn't Christmas originally scheduled > around Yule in order to make it more palatable to the non-Christians of the > time? IIRC from my Religious Studies classes, most contemporary scholarship > puts Christ's birth sometime in March. > > Come to think of it, I think Easter was scheduled near the Spring Solstice > for exactly the same reason. I thought (not that I know very much about religion) that the point was that when the early popes, like Gregorianus the Great, were trying to christianize the pagans, especially the celts, they sneaked "christian holy days" in by timing them over existing pagan holydays. And gradually the Christian celebrations swept away the old ones. Thus Easter existed long before Christians came, as a some kind of egyptian (????) holiday. Beltane is now Saint Walburg's day. Samhain is All Hallows' Eve. Yule is Christmas. etc... -Seanna ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 11:00:27 EET From: "Sanna Koulu" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: halloween (sort of); *quite* off topic Message-ID: <8D9E3B4B6F-+AT+-otdk.helsinki.fi> Gjuka wrote: > Anyone care to speculate on the cuteness of > >Vanyel's (insert anatomical characteristic of your choice here) as > >opposed to Harrison Ford, Denzel Washington, or Val Kilmer (who I have > >never seen.)? ;) > > > >I\/ Catherine Osborne > > > Oh, well, without a doubt Vanyel rules supreme. Beautiful men have always > been my type, even if (due to Vanyel's non-existance and sexual preferance) > I am doomed to merely admire. Besides, looking is fun. Now who here hasn't > daydreamed being in Stefan's position? > (little voice- "but which one?!") Ouch! That's _naughty_! (Well, not really.) OTOH, who hasn't daydreamed being in _Vanyel's_ position? I _like_ bards... Hhm. Vanyel rules - then Linus Roache (The movie "Priest" -yummy!), Harrison Ford, Rutger Hauer (? the guy in Bladerunner)... Anybody lost their heart to Sarek? -Seanna ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 11:10:24 EET From: "Sanna Koulu" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: middle books Message-ID: <8DC89A0668-+AT+-otdk.helsinki.fi> Gjuka wrote: > I "lurved" all the Vanyel books too...I just > >didn't lurve that one quite as much as the other two. :) I think the only > >Misty trilogy that I liked the middle one best was the Winds series...mostly > >'cuz of all the stuff with Elspeth and Darkwind...what can I say, I'm a > >hopeless romantic... *grin* > > Me too. I thought Winds of Change was the best of them, because of all the neat magic things + plus some cute tangles. QUESTION: Did anybody else think Elspeth's reaction to Firesong's saying he's shaych was really overdone? > Can any one name a trillogy (book or movie) where the second one IS as good > as the other two? I've been thinking about this for a while and really > havn't found any. The Ender stuff by Orson Scott Card. I really liked _Speaker for the Dead_ even though I'm quite non-religious. How about LeGuin's Earthsea trilogy? I mean the Tombs of Atuan (Actually part 2 of 4 now) I did like MPromise too, even if it wasn't as intense as MPawn and MPrice. -Seanna ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 00:38:29 -0800 From: Stephanie Wukovitz To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk, steph-+AT+-newton.mbi.ucla.edu Subject: Re: NEW POLL! Message-ID: <9511010838.AA09403-+AT+-newton.mbi.ucla.edu> Awwww. What about "middle-of-the-road" i.e. not enamored of the right's social attitudes but not happy with all causes usually identified with "liberal?" I'd guess that most Americans are moderates, but then again, I mostly only know reasonable (to me), well-educated people, so obviously the sample is biased in my case. (note: someone can be "reasonable" and not agree with me in every way, or even in most ways. however, I like to see that people have thought carefully about their opinions! :-) -Stephanie ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 09:44:30 GMT From: mel (Melanie Dymond Harper) To: mercedes-lackey Subject: ADMIN: fix that address! Message-ID: <9511010944.AA20312-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk> Someone on the list who posted this morning has a name field set on their mailer which causes Listproc to choke horribly, and thus to generate (at last count) 286 bounce messages. Whoever you are, Mr or Ms "And at the closing of the day (etc)", please turn that off before trying to post again; it's too long for the mailer to see the closing quote, and thus it does not mail out properly. Sorry to bore all of you with this, but I can't tell who it is because, you guessed it, the name has vanished off the end ... Mel. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 11:30:01 +0000 (GMT) From: Erica Neely To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Tremane Message-ID: On Tue, 31 Oct 1995, Rhonda Rodriguez wrote: > As we continue to spin off topic ... I would like your opinion on a trend > in literature (both speculative and non) that I've noticed recently. I'm > taking a creative writing class in which we're reading an anthology of > contemporary short stories, and it seems like the bulk of them center > around a character who is insane, simpleminded, or both. I really don't > like this at all. Writing an insane character seems to me like a Well, I thought Of Mice and Men was very powerful...and Lenny? was rather simpleminded... Erica ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 07:23:36 -0500 (EST) From: Rosario Holsen-Baker To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: A new book to recommend Message-ID: On Tue, 31 Oct 1995, Thomas, Daria wrote: > > Another recommendation: this is *not* a new book, but is being re-released. > The originals are nearly impossible to find now (and I've looked!) so try > "Fire Dancer" by Ann Maxwell. The next two in the series, "Dancer's Luck" > and "Dancer's Illusion" haven't yet been re-released, but read them when > they come out! > -Daria > YES!!! Someone else who's read the Fire Dancer trilogy! I have all three, I got them from a friend of my mother's who had a bunch of old books. They are very good, and my only complaint is that it seems like there should be more of them. Does anyone else out there have any information on this? What happened to her? Er...has anyone else read them? Also, her _A Dead God Dancing_ I think it's called, is pretty good. I didn't like it as much as the Fire Dancer trilogy, but it was good. |------------------------------------------------------------------------| | Tygra Nightblades | | | | File not found: _Meaning of life_ | | Abort, Retry, Ignore? | | | |------------------------------------------------------------------------| ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 07:29:35 -0500 From: ahendon-+AT+-amanda.dorsai.org To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: A new book to recommend Message-ID: <199511011225.AA05107-+AT+-dorsai.dorsai.org> Glad to hear that Diane Duane's newest (Wizard Abroad) is available (could someone post the URL for the Future Fantasy Bookstore on the Net?). I loved her "Door" series and waited *years* for the next one to come out. Re: Tepper - I really liked her early books. She wrote a 9-book series (or 3 trilogies) set in a world where people were born with powers (flight, seeing, etc.) and were placed in characters by their powers - a Seer had seeing and something else, a Ruler had beguilement etc. The lands played the True Game where characters battled each other using their powers. Kind of like living chess. Anyway - I thought these were great. The first trilogy is "Kings Blood --", "Necromancer Nine", "xxx"; the second is about Mavin Manyshaped and is "Song of MM", "Flight of MM", and "-- of MM". The third trilogy I like particularly because the lead character is a girl - "Jinian Footseer", "Dervish Daughter", and "xx". I really apologize for not having complete titles to post. Tepper also has a lovely trilogy about Marianne and the magi from her homeland, Alphenlicht. Marianne, the Magus, and the Momentary Gods; Marianne and the Malachite Mouse; Marianne and the Madam (?). All well worth reading! Happy books, Alison Alison Hendon ahendon-+AT+-amanda.dorsai.org "Though my soul may set in darkness, It will rise in perfect light, I have loved the stars too fondly To be fearful of the night...." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 07:37:38 -0500 (EST) From: Rosario Holsen-Baker To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Off the subject just a bit... Message-ID: On Wed, 1 Nov 1995, erik ristuben wrote: > > > > >Okay, guys, now how about Adrian Paul (who, BTW, appeared two weeks ago on > >_Highlander_ in only his underdiddies)? Or Dean Cain? > > > > > (chanting and waving inscence, periodically smacking myself with a copy of > The Silmarillion chiselled into a stone tablet) > > ADRIAN PAUL....ADRIAN PAUL...ADRIAN PAUL.... (chanting and waving inscence, periodically smacking myself with a copy of Liar's Oath chiselled into a stone tablet) CHRIS LAMBERT...CHRIS LAMBERT...CHRIS LAMBERT...CHRIS LAMBERT > > > Firefly > > ristuben-+AT+-webstar.net Sorry. Couldn't resist. :) |------------------------------------------------------------------------| | Tygra Nightblades | | | | File not found: _Meaning of life_ | | Abort, Retry, Ignore? | | | |------------------------------------------------------------------------| ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 07:46:14 -0500 (EST) From: Rosario Holsen-Baker To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: halloween (sort of); *quite* off topic Message-ID: On Wed, 1 Nov 1995, Sanna Koulu wrote: > Gjuka wrote: > > > Anyone care to speculate on the cuteness of > > >Vanyel's (insert anatomical characteristic of your choice here) as > > >opposed to Harrison Ford, Denzel Washington, or Val Kilmer (who I have > > >never seen.)? ;) > > > > > >I\/ Catherine Osborne > > > > > > Oh, well, without a doubt Vanyel rules supreme. Beautiful men have always > > been my type, even if (due to Vanyel's non-existance and sexual preferance) > > I am doomed to merely admire. Besides, looking is fun. Now who here hasn't > > daydreamed being in Stefan's position? > > (little voice- "but which one?!") > > Ouch! That's _naughty_! (Well, not really.) OTOH, who hasn't > daydreamed being in _Vanyel's_ position? I _like_ bards... > Hhm. Vanyel rules - then Linus Roache (The movie "Priest" -yummy!), > Harrison Ford, Rutger Hauer (? the guy in Bladerunner)... Anybody > lost their heart to Sarek? > -Seanna Rutger Hauer!!! Go Navarre! Who here has seen Ladyhawke? As far as daydreams go I've daydreamed about being Vanyel or Stefen, Elspeth (Hawkbrother lover!), Nyara, and Di Tregarde. I want an Andre, dammit! |------------------------------------------------------------------------| | Tygra Nightblades | | | | File not found: _Meaning of life_ | | Abort, Retry, Ignore? | | | |------------------------------------------------------------------------| ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 07:49:27 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine Osborne To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: halloween (sort of); *quite* off topic Message-ID: On Wed, 1 Nov 1995, erik ristuben wrote: > Now, before I can sign off I must give my own vote: the eternally beautiful > Michael Praed of the Showtime Robin Hood Series, provided he get acting Unbelievable! I thought I was (nearly) the only person who had seen those, until I saw the cover of Magic's Promise and said "Wait a minute, that's Michael Praed!" When I joined this list, I asked if anyone else had noticed the similarity and got many people saying yes! Ever since I've been rooting for him as the perfect person to play Vanyel. And I don't think there's anything wrong with his acting! (It was on public TV where I live.) I\/ Catherine Osborne "After great pain, I\/ Sundancer a formal feeling comes." I cosborne-+AT+-sidwell.edu --Emily Dickinson I http://www.sidwell.edu/~cosborne/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 07:57:50 -0500 (EST) From: Ned To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Hallowe'en Message-ID: On Wed, 1 Nov 1995, Rich Crawford wrote: > <*CHOMP*> > > > I wonder if they ever stop to think that the timing of Christmas is not so > >coincidentially right around Yule ( and isn't Yuletide an accepted word > >used to describe that time of year? (OK< so it is a retorical question..)). > > <*Crunch. Chew chew chew. Yum.*> > > I might be wrong about this, but wasn't Christmas originally scheduled > around Yule in order to make it more palatable to the non-Christians of the > time? IIRC from my Religious Studies classes, most contemporary scholarship > puts Christ's birth sometime in March. > > Come to think of it, I think Easter was scheduled near the Spring Solstice > for exactly the same reason. > > AFAIK, you are right on both counts Dec 25 is a completely arbitrary date that was deliberately selected to be around Yule. My guess is that this time was picked because of the symbolism of: new hope when the days start to get longer again = new hope of Jesus' birth. As for me, I'll just celebrate Hogswatchnight Zhai'helleva Ned Ned Adams aka S. Baldrick Sometimes it is better to light a sbaldric-+AT+-roanoke.infi.net flamethrower than to curse the darkness (540) 890-0212 (T. Pratchett) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 08:01:57 -0500 (EST) From: Rhonda Rodriguez To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: RE: book recomendations Message-ID: On McCaffrey and homophobia: I think people might be making exaggerations. I don't know what she's said in RL, so I won't comment on it, but in her books alone, I don't see homophobia. I recall an instance in Moreta (?) where two riders were "timing it" to spend afternoons together. Moreta found out and was concerned for the health of the rider in her Weyr, but she approved of the relationship and tried to help, IIRC. I'm currently reading Lyon's Pride and a character has just been introduced in a positive light who is homosexual. I don't know what will happen to him throughout the book, but it seems harmless so far. Rhonda ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 08:04:57 -0500 (EST) From: Ned To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Hallowe'en Message-ID: On Wed, 1 Nov 1995, Rich Crawford wrote: > > All I can say is, those Christian who scream that Hallowe'en (or > role-playing games or He-Man action figures or chocolate chip cookies or > whatever) promotes devil worship But chocolate chip cookies ARE Servants of Satan. Do you mean to tell me that you have never been alone in a house with a plate of those evil cookies and heard them whispering to you.... "Come on. Take a bite. You just have to have one cookie. Noone will miss it. Your diet will survive." The next thing that you know you are robbing little old ladies of their Social Security checks in order to pay for your chocolate-chip cookie dough ice cream habit. DO NOT NOT NOT NOT NOT NOT represent all of > us Christians!!!!! I wish they would crawl back into their holes and > realize they are not the Voice of God. > Mea Culpa. I may have given the wrong impression with some of my posts. I don't have any problems with Christianity; I just object to everyone who is sure that they have a direct line to the Almighty and feel that they have an obligation to inform you what you are doing wrong Zhai'helleva Ned Ned Adams aka S. Baldrick Sometimes it is better to light a sbaldric-+AT+-roanoke.infi.net flamethrower than to curse the darkness (540) 890-0212 (T. Pratchett) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 08:07:59 -0500 (EST) From: Rhonda Rodriguez To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: middle books Message-ID: On Wed, 1 Nov 1995, Gjuka wrote: > Can any one name a trillogy (book or movie) where the second one IS as good > as the other two? I've been thinking about this for a while and really > havn't found any. In movies ... Karate Kid 2. It's just as good as the first one, if not better. DON'T LAUGH! Ralph Macchio was my first crush and even though the topic is kind of bubblegummy, the message is good and it ranks high as an example of the craft of moviemaking. However, KK3 sucked. RAR ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Nov 1995 08:18:02 -0500 (EST) From: CODIORNE-+AT+-WELLESLEY.EDU To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Hallowe'en Message-ID: <01HX4ENYIS7M921GDS-+AT+-WELLESLEY.EDU> (Actually this is about Easter...oh well) Actually, Easter isn't based on vernal equinox...not unless Passover is. The two holidays are connected (Jesus was in Jerusalem to celebrate Passover, blah blah blah...). Point of actual fact, IIRC, Easter is set as the first sunday after the first full moon after the vernal equinox. thia, who is likewise a role-playing, candy-eating Christian ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Nov 95 13:10:32 CET (1210Z) From: "Scarlett E. Blizzard" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: re: Casting Vanyel was Halloween *quite* off topic... Message-ID: <9511011321.AA28386-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk> Firefly wrote: snip...snip... > I do wonder who you all think would make the perfect Vanyel. >Now, before I can sign off I must give my own vote: the eternally beautiful >Michael Praed of the Showtime Robin Hood Series, provided he get acting >lessons! Happy grins all around! >Firefly ristuben-+AT+-webstar.net I concur, if that is the same show that periodically plays on Public Television via the BBC. I too think he is perfect for the role, he looks alot like Vanyel does on the cover's of LHM! But my fav charecter from Robin Hood is Will Scarlet, go figure.... Scarlett ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Nov 1995 08:25:21 -0500 (EST) From: CODIORNE-+AT+-WELLESLEY.EDU To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: middle books Message-ID: <01HX4EYSPV20921GDS-+AT+-WELLESLEY.EDU> If you'll forgive the film example: several people I know consider *Empire Strikes Back* as the best of the Star Wars films... thia, restraining herself from jumping in on the cuteness-of-Vanyel thread ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Nov 95 21:28:00 AST From: Fiona Graham To: mercedes-lackey Subject: RE: book recomendations Message-ID: <30977615-+AT+-msmail-gw.renre.bm> STARWOLF wrote: To return the favor, anything by Raymond Feist is worth checking out. In my opinion one of the best "epic" fantasy types, depending on your definition of epic of course. Hi all.... I heartily agree.....I read Feist's Riftwar Saga several years ago, and adored it.....definitely one of the best "epic" series I've read in a long time!!!!! Fiona ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 08:31:45 EDT From: "Sandy Haas" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Narnia Message-ID: <1507857AE9-+AT+-rackham.umich.edu> > I have the fondest memories of these books, though I found a few years > ago I could no longer read them - unfortunately I seem to have outgrown > them. Perhaps someday I will grow into them again? > > Starwolf I almost hate to admit it, but I read them again when I need something familiar. Kinda like those days you want meatloaf and mashed potatoes for dinner. Comfort food, comfort books. :} Sandy Haas ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Nov 95 08:41:58 GMT+0000 From: Heather Mina To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Hallowe'en Message-ID: <9511011342.AA00271-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk> As a wonderful ending to the whole Hallowe'en mess, I was taking my son (almost 2 years old) around last night, and there was a nun in one of the houses in the neighborhood who was sitting in her driveway just being the sweetest woman in the world. Come on, if a Roman Catholic nun can celebrate Hallowe'en, and be happy for the joy it brings to children, then why can't the rest of us just open our minds and enjoy it too? Enough I say! Time to move on... <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> < The time has come, the walrus said > < to talk of many things, > < Of shoes and ships and sealing wax, > < of cabbages and kings. > < --- Lewis Carroll > <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Heather L. Mina hlmina-+AT+-vwc.edu heamin-+AT+-sunshine.vab.unisysgsg.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 14:01:40 +0000 (GMT) From: jc-+AT+-crosfield.co.uk (Jerry Cullingford) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: A new book to recommend Message-ID: <9511011401.AA25192-+AT+-crosfield.co.uk> > Also, her _A Dead God Dancing_ I think it's called, is pretty > good. I didn't like it as much as the Fire Dancer trilogy, but it was good. Ann Maxwell has written a couple of other books in the same universe as aDGD; _The Jaws of Menx_ and _Name of a Shadow_ If I remember correctly; published around the same time as the Fire Dancer stuff, I think. -- _|_ / | Jerry Cullingford jc-+AT+-crosfield.co.uk (Work) \_|_ jc-+AT+-selune.demon.co.uk (Home) \__/ Hemel Hempstead, UK jerry-+AT+-shell.portal.com (alternate) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Nov 95 08:12:00 cst From: "Thomas, Daria" To: mercedes-lackey Subject: Re: A new book to recommend Message-ID: <309780A9-+AT+-mailsrvr.bussvc.wisc.edu> >On Tue, 31 Oct 1995, Thomas, Daria wrote: > >> >> Another recommendation: this is *not* a new book, but is being >>re-released. >> The originals are nearly impossible to find now (and I've looked!) so try >> "Fire Dancer" by Ann Maxwell. The next two in the series, "Dancer's Luck" >> and "Dancer's Illusion" haven't yet been re-released, but read them when >> they come out! >> -Daria >> >I read "Fire Dancer" and "Dancer's Illusion". Never saw the other one, >but would have been interested in reading it. They were great. Has this >woman put anything else out? > >;];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];]; ];] >;] Adrienne York-Minor ;] >;] "There is no 'One, True Way'" Valdemaran Law Codes ;] >;] ayork-+AT+-simons-rock.edu ;] >;];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];]; ];] "Dancer's Luck" is scheduled to be re-released late this month. And yes, Ann Maxwell has written about half a dozen sci-fi/fantasy and a bunch of mystery (at least, I'm assuming it's the same Ann Maxwell). I did think the Fire Dancer trilogy was the best of the lot, plus one other book in the same universe, but of the Zaraain people--or rather, two of the Zaraain people. Pretty interesting, since that put the setting millions of years before the trilogy! I think the title was "Timeshadow Rider." I'd definitely recommend it, especially if you've already read "Fire Dancer." "Jaws of Menx" and "Dead God Dancing" are a couple more titles of hers that I remember, but they weren't quite as good. -Daria ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Nov 95 08:16:00 cst From: "Thomas, Daria" To: mercedes-lackey Subject: Re: A new book to recommend Message-ID: <30978199-+AT+-mailsrvr.bussvc.wisc.edu> >> >>Another recommendation: this is *not* a new book, but is being re-released. >> The originals are nearly impossible to find now (and I've looked!) so try >>"Fire Dancer" by Ann Maxwell. The next two in the series, "Dancer's Luck" >>and "Dancer's Illusion" haven't yet been re-released, but read them when >>they come out! >> -Daria >> >> > >I cheered when I read your post! I just picked up Fire Dancer at the >recommendation of a friend. I can't wait until the sequels come out. I've >heard that finally after ten years or so, Anne Maxwell, who also wrote an >incredible space opera called Timeshadow Rider, is finally going to write a >finisher for the Dancer series! Good reading. > >Firefly > >ristuben-+AT+-webstar.net Wow! I hadn't heard she was going to finish the series!! Now I'm cheering! I've spent years hoping that there were more than three books in that trilogy! And *definitely* pick up Timeshadow Rider if you can find it--it's actually a prequel (*very* "pre") to the Fire Dancer series. -Daria ------------------------------ End of MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 201 *********************************