MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 202 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: middle books by Rosario Holsen-Baker 2) Re: Tremane by "Thomas, Daria" 3) Re: Narnia by "Thomas, Daria" 4) Re: Hallowe'en by GERKEJ-+AT+-MINNIE.HOLLINS.EDU 5) Re: Too Dim Villains and a recommendation by ristuben-+AT+-webstar.net (erik ristuben) 6) Re: middle books by ristuben-+AT+-webstar.net (erik ristuben) 7) Re: halloween (sort of); *quite* off topic by ristuben-+AT+-webstar.net (erik ristuben) 8) Re: halloween (sort of); *quite* off topic by ristuben-+AT+-webstar.net (erik ristuben) 9) RE: book recomendations by Heather Mina 10) RE: *quite* off topic by RUNDLE-+AT+-wilma.bcasd.az.honeywell.com 11) better sequels by Vivian Choh 12) Re: middle books by gjuka-+AT+-cnw.com (Gjuka) 13) RE: Sexism by gjuka-+AT+-cnw.com (Gjuka) 14) Re: Narnia by RUNDLE-+AT+-wilma.bcasd.az.honeywell.com 15) Re: Hallowe'en by gjuka-+AT+-cnw.com (Gjuka) 16) Re: Hallowe'en by gjuka-+AT+-cnw.com (Gjuka) 17) RE: Sexism by Adrienne York 18) Re: Roanoke by owl 19) Re: NEW POLL! by owl 20) Re: middle books by Adrienne York 21) Re: halloween (sort of); *quite* off topic by letha-+AT+-utdallas.edu 22) Re: halloween (sort of); *quite* off topic by Rosario Holsen-Baker 23) narnia and aslan and religion and stuff by Elise M Packee 24) Re: middle books by Heather Mina 25) RE: book recomendations by RUNDLE-+AT+-wilma.bcasd.az.honeywell.com 26) Re: Hallowe'en by h-wilfehrt-+AT+-nwu.edu (Helen M. Wilfehrt) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 09:32:12 -0500 (EST) From: Rosario Holsen-Baker To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: middle books Message-ID: On Wed, 1 Nov 1995, Rhonda Rodriguez wrote: > > > On Wed, 1 Nov 1995, Gjuka wrote: > > > Can any one name a trillogy (book or movie) where the second one IS as good > > as the other two? I've been thinking about this for a while and really > > havn't found any. > > In movies ... Karate Kid 2. It's just as good as the first one, if not > better. DON'T LAUGH! Ralph Macchio was my first crush and even though > the topic is kind of bubblegummy, the message is good and it ranks high > as an example of the craft of moviemaking. However, KK3 sucked. RAR STAR WARS!!! The entire trilogy was good. I think it was the only succesful trilogy ever. |------------------------------------------------------------------------| | Tygra Nightblades | | | | File not found: _Meaning of life_ | | Abort, Retry, Ignore? | | | |------------------------------------------------------------------------| ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Nov 95 08:24:00 cst From: "Thomas, Daria" To: mercedes-lackey Subject: Re: Tremane Message-ID: <30978389-+AT+-mailsrvr.bussvc.wisc.edu> On Tue, 31 Oct 1995, Rhonda Rodriguez wrote: > As we continue to spin off topic ... I would like your opinion on a trend > in literature (both speculative and non) that I've noticed recently. I'm > taking a creative writing class in which we're reading an anthology of > contemporary short stories, and it seems like the bulk of them center > around a character who is insane, simpleminded, or both. I really don't > like this at all. Writing an insane character seems to me like a How about "Flowers for Algernon" (probably misspelled) where the main character, at the beginning and end, was very simpleminded? I thought that was an extremely moving story. -Daria ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Nov 95 08:20:00 cst From: "Thomas, Daria" To: mercedes-lackey Subject: Re: Narnia Message-ID: <30978276-+AT+-mailsrvr.bussvc.wisc.edu> >> I have the fondest memories of these books, though I found a few years >> ago I could no longer read them - unfortunately I seem to have outgrown >> them. Perhaps someday I will grow into them again? >Outgrow Narnia? It's possible to outgrow NARNIA? Oh no, maybe that's >why I haven't read it in two years. But I don't wanna outgrow Narnia. I >*love* Aslan. How can you get to big for Narnia? This is a scary thought. > >;];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];]; ];] >;] Adrienne York-Minor ;] >;] "There is no 'One, True Way'" Valdemaran Law Codes ;] >;] ayork-+AT+-simons-rock.edu ;] >;];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];]; ];] This might make another interesting poll (mind you, I'm not volunteering to keep track of a poll, I'm not crazy!)--the ages of people who still love Narnia and the ages of people who've "outgrown" it? Personally, I still love Aslan, and I'm 26. Anyone else? -Daria ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 10:01:17 -0500 (EST) From: GERKEJ-+AT+-MINNIE.HOLLINS.EDU To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Hallowe'en Message-ID: <951101100117.2023c92e-+AT+-MINNIE.HOLLINS.EDU> > Date: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 04:46:11 GMT > Message-Id: > Errors-To: lackey-owner-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk > Reply-To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk > Originator: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk > Sender: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk > Precedence: bulk > From: Ned > To: gerkej-+AT+-minnie.hollins.edu > Subject: Re: Hallowe'en > X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas > X-Comment: Mercedes Lackey Mailing List > > On Tue, 31 Oct 1995, Thomas, Daria wrote: >> You know, I find this interesting. Speaking as a Christian myself, I seem >> to >> be lucky--I was raised thinking of Halloween as All Saint's Day and a chance >> for a lot of candy. But a friend of mine who teaches in a strict Jewish >> daycare is having fits because the kids aren't allowed to even mention >> Halloween there, since "it's a Christian holiday." Why do people do these >> things to themselves--and their kids? > > In the infamous "Letters to the Editor" in the Roanoke Times, someone > tried to make a case that Halloween celebrations should be banned > because of seperation of Church and State. Her reasoning was that > Halloween is "a witch's celebration and if we have to accept that this is > a valid religion then we can't have Halloween celebrations in schools" > > > > Zhai'helleva > > Ned > Ahh, the beauty of Roanoke. :) I am a college student at Hollins and I did a play last short term, that we took around to the local elementry schools. It was a Japanese folk tale and it had demons in it. The schools actually had classes before our play to make sure that the students knew the demons were not "real." I must admit I was amazed when our director told us this, she tried to explain that this was because of the conservativism of Roanoke, but it still amazed me. Just a little addition to the experience of Roanoke. Jennie gerkej-+AT+-minnie.hollins.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Nov 95 09:04 CST From: ristuben-+AT+-webstar.net (erik ristuben) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Too Dim Villains and a recommendation Message-ID: regarding: >> > >Can I get away with reading "Fith Quarter" without reading the 1st one? >Noe of the bookstores around here have WInds Four Quarters, and trying to >order it will take a while. > >Zhai'helleva > >Ned Fifth Quarter's prequel is called Sing the Four Quarters. Mayhap you try again? But from what I understand, 5th quarter is sufficiently "someone else's point of view" to read them as separate stories. I suggest purchasing 5th Quarter, then putting in the order for StFQ. But just a note IMO, I can never get as deeply into a story if I know I'm reading them out of sequence; just my own little anal-retentive mannerism ;) Good reading, Firefly ristuben-+AT+-webstar.net ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Nov 95 09:10 CST From: ristuben-+AT+-webstar.net (erik ristuben) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: middle books Message-ID: Snip: > >Can any one name a trillogy (book or movie) where the second one IS as good >as the other two? I've been thinking about this for a while and really >havn't found any. I can! I can! Anything by Melanie Rawn! The Dragon Prince consisting of The Dragon Prince, The Star Scroll and Sunrunner's Fire. Also Dragon Star consisting of Stronghold, The Dragon Token and Skybowl. They are full of political intrigue amongst the ruling families of Melanie's fantasy world and I really agonized over each one, even the book two's! Firefly ristuben-+AT+-webstar.net ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Nov 95 09:18 CST From: ristuben-+AT+-webstar.net (erik ristuben) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: halloween (sort of); *quite* off topic Message-ID: Regarding:> Who here has seen Ladyhawke? > As far as daydreams go I've daydreamed about being Vanyel or >Stefen, Elspeth (Hawkbrother lover!), Nyara, and Di Tregarde. > I want an Andre, dammit! > The question should be...how many times have you all seen Ladyhawke? Seen it? I had to own that puppy! Happy grins to all. Firefly ristuben-+AT+-webstar.net ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Nov 95 09:21 CST From: ristuben-+AT+-webstar.net (erik ristuben) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: halloween (sort of); *quite* off topic Message-ID: Snipping: >Unbelievable! I thought I was (nearly) the only person who had seen >those, until I saw the cover of Magic's Promise and said "Wait a minute, >that's Michael Praed!" When I joined this list, I asked if anyone else >had noticed the similarity and got many people saying yes! Ever since >I've been rooting for him as the perfect person to play Vanyel. And I >don't think there's anything wrong with his acting! (It was on public TV >where I live.) > Oh believe me, I love this man through and through, but my goodness, To Die For 2? He looked splended in that blousy, Vanyel type shirt unlaced to his Happy Trail, but the script was so bad it was almost...good! (Scaring myself) I even own a copy of the eternally infernally bad film Nightflyers, where our dear Michael plays a mysterious pilot on a seemingly uncrewed spacecraft.... No! No! The plot is to bad even to describe! Happy giggles. Firefly ristuben-+AT+-webstar.net ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Nov 95 09:54:18 GMT+0000 From: Heather Mina To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: RE: book recomendations Message-ID: <9511011526.AA05763-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk> At 03:49 AM 11/1/95 GMT, Starwolf wrote: >To return the favor, anything by Raymond Feist is worth checking >out. In my opinion one of the best "epic" fantasy types, depending >on your definition of epic of course. YES! Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes!!!!! I just finished reading (for the umpteenth time!) the Riftwar and Empire series again. And I am all delightfully warm and shivery! <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> < The time has come, the walrus said > < to talk of many things, > < Of shoes and ships and sealing wax, > < of cabbages and kings. > < --- Lewis Carroll > <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Heather L. Mina hlmina-+AT+-vwc.edu heamin-+AT+-sunshine.vab.unisysgsg.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 8:29:04 -0700 (MST) From: RUNDLE-+AT+-wilma.bcasd.az.honeywell.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: RE: *quite* off topic Message-ID: <951101082904.2241420b-+AT+-wilma.bcasd.az.honeywell.com> > >Rutger Hauer!!! Go Navarre! Who here has seen Ladyhawke? As far as daydreams >go I've daydreamed about being Vanyel or Stefen, Elspeth (Hawkbrother >lover!), Nyara, and Di Tregarde. > I want an Andre, dammit! 100% second that one! Ladyhawke is one of the best movies I've ever seen! Rutger Hauer was awesome. The scene when the two lovers meet at dawn makes me weep every time, and I don't mean a one-hanky-ier! It's the same story (in some senses) of the Sun and Shadow of Misty's universe. In fact, come to think of it, if you just take the Sun and Shadow story exclusive of any other stuff like heralds and everything, isn't Ladyhawke exactly their story? I must also agree that Michael Praed would make an excellent Vanyel. StarWolf ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 11:20:46 -0500 (EST) From: Vivian Choh To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: better sequels Message-ID: On Wed, 1 Nov 1995, Rhonda Rodriguez wrote: > On Wed, 1 Nov 1995, Gjuka wrote: > > > Can any one name a trillogy (book or movie) where the second one IS as good > > as the other two? I've been thinking about this for a while and really > > havn't found any. > > In movies ... Karate Kid 2. It's just as good as the first one, if not continuing the better movie vein... How about Aliens vs Alien? (although I did like both....) I liked Indiana Jones with Sean Connery the best of the three (although I did think that 1 was better than 2) Vivian Choh bi189-+AT+-torfree.net v.choh-+AT+-utoronto.ca "I am all that I claim to be. I simply have not claimed all that I am." - M. Lackey, "Oathbreakers" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 08:39:17 -0800 From: gjuka-+AT+-cnw.com (Gjuka) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: middle books Message-ID: <9511011628.AA09020-+AT+-baker> >Gjuka wrote: >> Can any one name a trillogy (book or movie) where the second one IS as good >> as the other two? I've been thinking about this for a while and really >> havn't found any. > >The Ender stuff by Orson Scott Card. I really liked _Speaker for the >Dead_ even though I'm quite non-religious. How about LeGuin's >Earthsea trilogy? I mean the Tombs of Atuan (Actually part 2 of 4 now) >I did like MPromise too, even if it wasn't as intense as MPawn and >MPrice. > > -Seanna Now I didn't ask if you LIKED the middle book ( I love Magic's Promise and The Tombs of Atuan) but if you thought it was as good as the other books in the series. For me,at least, it's not quite the same thing. I don't think either of those were as good as the other two books in their respective series. Do you? (I realise that it's relative.) -Colette gjuka-+AT+-cnw.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 08:53:10 -0800 From: gjuka-+AT+-cnw.com (Gjuka) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: RE: Sexism Message-ID: <9511011642.AA09321-+AT+-baker> >>> To >>> recognise the absudity of sexist customs or standards of beauty and freeing >>> oneself to BE ones self is another. To lead by example and do what it is >>> you WANT to do to express yourself without being controlled by society. So >>> shave or don't shave, but please don't tell me that I'm a victim if I >>> decide that once a month it's nice to have smooth legs. > >>My, aren't we touchy! Are you sure you aren't a victim? Note that I'm >>not saying you _are_, I'm saying you need to consider that >>possibility. Denying reality rarely does any good. > >-Colette >>As for victims- arn't we all? > >I must say I'm deeply disappointed to see these kinds of attitudes. >Particularly that last one. We're all victims? Come on. That's >the exact attitude that puts you on the wrong side of the eight-ball >every time. You are only a victim if you make yourself one. I am >not a victim. I may be subjected to sexism, but I am not a victim >of it, unless I choose to be. I accept certain types of sexism >because it makes *my* life easier (i.e. conforming in dress etc to >the standards of my office). When I disagree strongly enough, I >go against the standard. But I refuse to stand on a soapbox outside >the office yelling at every woman who comes by with makeup on, or a >short skirt on that she is a victim, and she must cease pandering >to the evil white males! I refuse to go around hairy just because *you* >seem to feel it's necessary to make me a woman. If you feel victimized >do something about it. But don't go around telling me how to dress, >talk, walk, etc. I am the woman I am and I have no interest whatever >in being the woman you seem to think I should be. > >Come on folks. Get over it. I believe that you missunderstood me. I made the very top comment saying I am NOT a victim because I have decided not to be. Some one implied that that ment I was "touchy" and might be in denial. I responded by pointing out that we can all claim to be victims, but I feel it's self defeating to do so. Though we've all (at least most of us) have had bad things happen to us that would qualify us as victims, there comes a point where one has to move on and succeed in spite of it. I guess I wasn't clear enough with my criptic comment. I hope this clears up my intentions. -colette gjuka-+AT+-cnw.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 9:55:01 -0700 (MST) From: RUNDLE-+AT+-wilma.bcasd.az.honeywell.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Narnia Message-ID: <951101095501.2241420b-+AT+-wilma.bcasd.az.honeywell.com> >>> I have the fondest memories of these books, though I found a few years >>> ago I could no longer read them - unfortunately I seem to have outgrown >>> them. Perhaps someday I will grow into them again? >>Outgrow Narnia? It's possible to outgrow NARNIA? Oh no, maybe that's >>why I haven't read it in two years. But I don't wanna outgrow Narnia. I >>*love* Aslan. How can you get to big for Narnia? This is a scary thought. >This might make another interesting poll (mind you, I'm not volunteering >to keep track of a poll, I'm not crazy!)--the ages of people who still love >Narnia and the ages of people who've "outgrown" it? Personally, I still >love Aslan, and I'm 26. Anyone else? > -Daria Whoa horsie! I said I have outgrown the books, as in, I have trouble reading them anymore. I still love Aslan (I know what you mean, but I must clarify this!). Aslan in many ways personifies the type of deity I as an adult ... I don't know, identify with? All knowing yes, but judging you both for the actions you take, as well as the intentions, loving you no matter what, etc. Aslan is the epitomy of unconditional love. No matter that I can't really read the Narnia books anymore, you can't take Aslan away from me. No way. Uhuh. Nope. I'm not saying Aslan is god, or a god, or anything, just that's essentially what C.S. Lewis made him, so as far as that goes, he's a very good one. StarWolf - hoping I expressed myself vaguely better than I have the last couple of days - I seem to have an aweful lot of footprints on my tongue! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 09:09:16 -0800 From: gjuka-+AT+-cnw.com (Gjuka) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Hallowe'en Message-ID: <9511011658.AA09553-+AT+-baker> >Come to think of it, I think Easter was scheduled near the Spring Solstice >for exactly the same reason. > >Rich Yes, exactly. in fact, if you look you'll see that Easter is always the first sunday after the first full moon after spring solstice. That's why it moves so much. I believe it's on a feast for a goddess with a name that looks a lot like the word easter, but i don't remember what it was. it was traditional to paint eggs. (course it was also traditonal to make love in freshly plowed fields too, but guess that one didn't get picked up. Darn!) -colette gjuka-+AT+-cnw.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 09:09:47 -0800 From: gjuka-+AT+-cnw.com (Gjuka) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Hallowe'en Message-ID: <9511011659.AA09562-+AT+-baker> >All I can say is, those Christian who scream that Hallowe'en (or >role-playing games or He-Man action figures or chocolate chip cookies or >whatever) promotes devil worship DO NOT NOT NOT NOT NOT NOT represent all of >us Christians!!!!! I wish they would crawl back into their holes and >realize they are not the Voice of God. > >Sorry. Got that rant out of my system now.> >Peace >Rich, the role-playing-Hallowe'en-celebrating-chocolate-chip-eating Zen >Episcopalian Yah, we know there are lots of OK christians out there. You guys just have the unfortunate problem of being overshadowed by the annoying loud ones. So when we complain, we don't really think you're all that way, no more than I think all men are scum just because a few are obnoxious. Like all generalizations, it has big gaping holes. I appollogise if we've made you feel sort of persecuted or picked upon or misunderstood. We know it's not you. gjuka-+AT+-cnw.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 13:06:20 -0500 (EST) From: Adrienne York To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: RE: Sexism Message-ID: On Wed, 1 Nov 1995, Sanna Koulu wrote: > StarWolf wrote: > > > >> shave or don't shave, but please don't tell me that I'm a victim if I > > >> decide that once a month it's nice to have smooth legs. > > > > >My, aren't we touchy! Are you sure you aren't a victim? Note that I'm > > >not saying you _are_, I'm saying you need to consider that > > >possibility. Denying reality rarely does any good. > > > > -Colette > > >As for victims- arn't we all? > > > > I must say I'm deeply disappointed to see these kinds of attitudes. > > Particularly that last one. We're all victims? Come on. That's > > the exact attitude that puts you on the wrong side of the eight-ball > > every time. You are only a victim if you make yourself one. I am > > not a victim. I may be subjected to sexism, but I am not a victim > > of it, unless I choose to be. > > I didn't bring up the term "victim", but I think it's apt. We speak > of victims of Auschitz (however you spell it) - and these the people > who showed enormous courage and determination, and who survived the > experience. Being a victim, doesn't -or didn't originally- imply that > you _accepted_ (or even earned!) the situation. Being subjected to > sexism makes you a victim, whether you are male or female, old or > young.It makes you a victim of prejudice, of disapproval, or even of > more brutal violence. > > I think that to say that "women are only victims if they choose to > be" is ridiculous and offensive. The women who are raped, imprisoned > in hateful marriages, who earn half the wage of a man - how can you > say they should _make the choice_ not to be victims? In effect, you > are blaming them for their situation! The disagreement over the use of the word victim in referring to people who have been negatively affected by other's prejudices or actions is an important one. People who prefer not to use the word victim do not, generally, mean that the person(s) in question has not suffered some sort of harm. Nor do they mean that the person in question inflicted that harm upon her/himself, in most cases. What is meant by choosing not to be a victim of something is that one be a *survivor* of that prejudice, rape, etc. The word victim connotes passive reception of the actions of another. The word survivor connotes actively moving beyond these actions to the rest of one's life. Victim makes the affected person acted upon. Survivor makes the affected person an actor. And that's the difference. I think most people are *survivors* of *ism, rape, theft, etc. About the only people who have had a wrong committed against them who are victims are murder victims, who can't move beyond the murder, and those who refuse to become active after the incident(s). And by move beyond, I don't mean forget about, deny, or suppress. I don't even mean return to life as it was before. I mean continue to heal and be a functioning member of society, someone who can take care of her/himself, for the most part. Sorry I went on so long, but I think the semantics of this issue are *very* important, and for somebody to attack somebody else because they said we aren't all victims. AAARRRGGGGHHHHH! ;];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];] ;] Adrienne York-Minor ;] ;] "There is no 'One, True Way'" Valdemaran Law Codes ;] ;] ayork-+AT+-simons-rock.edu ;] ;];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 13:06:53 EST From: owl To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Roanoke Message-ID: <2A1DE64B90-+AT+-main.rmwc.edu> Ned, Don't even get me started about Lynchburg (VA) and Halloween! GRRRRRR! Owl "of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 13:12:34 EST From: owl To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: NEW POLL! Message-ID: <2A35D93676-+AT+-main.rmwc.edu> Well, I have always considered myself to be a fairly conservative Republican, but have discovered this means something entirely different in Virginia than in Washington State, and now believe that I am more of a moderate independent. Owl "of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 13:14:54 -0500 (EST) From: Adrienne York To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: middle books Message-ID: On Wed, 1 Nov 1995, Sanna Koulu wrote: > anybody else think Elspeth's reaction to Firesong's saying he's > shaych was really overdone? > Nope, I thought it was perfectly reasonable. I mean, you've been drooling over this really cute, totally charismatic, exceedingly talented guy, even though you sorta have a boyfriend. Now, in front of this sorta boyfriend, the cute guy tells you your interest was completely transparent and he will never be interested in you because he's shaych. Now, that's what I call grounds for serious chagrin. It's earth-please swallow-me-up time. But then, the really cute guy tells you he has seriously wanted to sleep with your sorta boyfriend! Having just recently been in lust with the really cute guy, you know your sorta boyfriend will, at the very least, be really flattered, and maybe will leap into bed with this guy. (After all, you were ready to do it five minutes ago). Also, you now realize how your boyfriend the entire time you were drooling over this other guy, so you feel a little angry with somebody about that. So you are totally, completely, insanely jealous! Besides, you already had a quick temper to begin with. I think Elspeth's reaction was the only appropriate reaction for Elspeth. ;];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];] ;] Adrienne York-Minor ;] ;] "There is no 'One, True Way'" Valdemaran Law Codes ;] ;] ayork-+AT+-simons-rock.edu ;] ;];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 12:22:14 -0600 (CST) From: letha-+AT+-utdallas.edu To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: halloween (sort of); *quite* off topic Message-ID: Walk with the Prophets. On Wed, 1 Nov 1995, erik ristuben wrote: > Snipping: > >Unbelievable! I thought I was (nearly) the only person who had seen > >those, until I saw the cover of Magic's Promise and said "Wait a minute, > >that's Michael Praed!" When I joined this list, I asked if anyone else > >had noticed the similarity and got many people saying yes! Ever since > >I've been rooting for him as the perfect person to play Vanyel. And I > >don't think there's anything wrong with his acting! (It was on public TV > >where I live.) > > > > Oh believe me, I love this man through and through, but my goodness, To Die > For 2? He looked splended in that blousy, Vanyel type shirt unlaced to his > Happy Trail, but the script was so bad it was almost...good! (Scaring > myself) I even own a copy of the eternally infernally bad film Nightflyers, > where our dear Michael plays a mysterious pilot on a seemingly uncrewed > spacecraft.... > No! No! The plot is to bad even to describe! Happy giggles. > > Firefly > > ristuben-+AT+-webstar.net > > I _have_ seen him after all! I caught about half of Nightflyers on Showtime once, and then I found the novel form. The novel is just about as bad as the movie, but Lord and Lady, Michael was CUTE! You're right. He would make a _wonderful_ Van. Letha ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 13:40:26 -0500 (EST) From: Rosario Holsen-Baker To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: halloween (sort of); *quite* off topic Message-ID: On Wed, 1 Nov 1995, erik ristuben wrote: > Regarding:> > Who here has seen Ladyhawke? > > As far as daydreams go I've daydreamed about being Vanyel or > >Stefen, Elspeth (Hawkbrother lover!), Nyara, and Di Tregarde. > > I want an Andre, dammit! > > > > The question should be...how many times have you all seen Ladyhawke? Seen > it? I had to own that puppy! Happy grins to all. The question is, how many times have you seen the wolf fall through the ice or the hawk get shot and started wailing? :) |------------------------------------------------------------------------| | Tygra Nightblades | | | | File not found: _Meaning of life_ | | Abort, Retry, Ignore? | | | |------------------------------------------------------------------------| ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 11:54:21 -0700 (MST) From: Elise M Packee To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: narnia and aslan and religion and stuff Message-ID: okay, sticking my soap box in here.... I love Narnia...and I agree so far with everyones books selections and theones i haven't read i am going to go to the library and borrow... I totally adore aslan...and i am not christian, but this gives me a chance to rave about one of my favorite aspects of valdemar, that has become the central point to my beliefs.... In the vlegarth books, it is constantly being stated there is no one true way...recent developments have begun to point to the fact the different gods and goddesses are just different aspects and perspectives of the worshipers... my theory is known as the paper cup theory (it was formed in a dining commons when the dishwasher broke and we had to use paper dishes) there is a great big paper cup which represents a cosmic consciousness. It is not good it is no evil...it has whims, but is pretty much a nifty fellow.... now this is tha paper cup... I sit here looking at the paper cup from my point of view...the elisism point of view... someone else looks at it from a christian point of view someone from a hindu view... we are all seeing thee same thing except from different angles...and no one every sees things the same way as anyone else...it is all based on persepctive an point of view... I agree michael praed for vanyel...and my personal opinion is that all the good me are gay, taken, dead or fictional....vanyel is the poster boy for that theory... thanks for leting me spout... Elise ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Nov 95 14:07:01 GMT+0000 From: Heather Mina To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: middle books Message-ID: <9511011907.AA18984-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk> At 05:56 PM 11/1/95 GMT, Firefly wrote: >I can! I can! Anything by Melanie Rawn! The Dragon Prince consisting of The >Dragon Prince, The Star Scroll and Sunrunner's Fire. Also Dragon Star >consisting of Stronghold, The Dragon Token and Skybowl. They are full of >political intrigue amongst the ruling families of Melanie's fantasy world >and I really agonized over each one, even the book two's! I loved the Dragon Prince trilogy, but I haven't gotten my hands on anything after Stronghold (which left me *very* depressed). Is the second trilogy up to the standard set by the first? <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> < The time has come, the walrus said > < to talk of many things, > < Of shoes and ships and sealing wax, > < of cabbages and kings, > < Of why the sea is boiling hot > < and whether pigs have wings. > < --- Lewis Carroll > <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Heather L. Mina hlmina-+AT+-vwc.edu heamin-+AT+-sunshine.vab.unisysgsg.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 12:09:19 -0700 (MST) From: RUNDLE-+AT+-wilma.bcasd.az.honeywell.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: RE: book recomendations Message-ID: <951101120919.224108d6-+AT+-wilma.bcasd.az.honeywell.com> >>To return the favor, anything by Raymond Feist is worth checking >>out. In my opinion one of the best "epic" fantasy types, depending >>on your definition of epic of course. >YES! Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes!!!!! >I just finished reading (for the umpteenth time!) the Riftwar and Empire >series again. And I am all delightfully warm and shivery! Well, just to let other fans know, the second book of the new series is out. It's called "Rise of a Merchant Prince" I think. It's more of a building book than an epic adventure in itself, as many second books of trilogies tend to be. But it's an excellent book in its own right, you learn what happened to some of the riftwar characters, etc. One of the neat things about Feist is that no character is really sacred. One of the things you know with a Misty character is whether or not they will live to a ripe old age. I mean, you knew somewhere in the first 3rd of book one that Van wasn't going to live forever. Talia and Elspeth are pretty much sacrosanct though. That's one of those problem areas. I mean that when Ancar got hold of Talia, I wasn't truly afraid for her. I knew he would do unspeakable things to her, but I also knew that her character would survive and get over it. It's sort of tattooed on Misty's characters foreheads "will survive all conflicts", "expect me to die real soon" It makes it predictable, which can be a real positive. {mini-tiny spoiler, maybe, if you absolutely want no knowledge of the new series whatever, and believe me this is tiny!} Feist on the other hand, will kill off most any character. You never know from book to book, series to series, who will live and die. His newest series has moved many years beyond the old one, so many of the riftwar characters have died of old age. But he didn't jump far enough that they were legends. Just, I don't know, 50 years or so. Maybe 70. So you see their kids and grandkids. Very few authors seem willing to leave a set of characters behind, stay in the same world, and build a whole new set for you to get to know and love. {spoiler warning off} Anyway, I highly recommend Feist to everyone. StarWolf ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 13:15:13 -0600 From: h-wilfehrt-+AT+-nwu.edu (Helen M. Wilfehrt) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Hallowe'en Message-ID: <199511011915.AA263953312-+AT+-casbah.acns.nwu.edu> >>Sorry about this: I just dealt with a claim by someone over on >>alt.fan.eddings that was arguing that is God stopped willing the univers >>too exist, then it would disappear. He based this on the theory by some >>philosopher named Berkley that claimed that nothing exists except for >>when we perceive it. (I guess he is sayint that a tree cannot fall in >>the forest if noone is there to hear it, since it doesn't exist unless >>there is someone there....) > >You know, one of my favorite views on the universe was presented by (forgive >me...) Piers Anthony in his Incarnations of Immortality series. Basically, >the theory there was that God had gotten so caught up in his own glory that >he did not realize that anything else in the universe existed. Meanwhile, >Satan, who was just doing his job as the Incarnation of Evil, continued to >try to win over the balance of souls. It was pretty neat. > >Next facorite was Heinlein's Stranger in a Strange Land. I think I would >hate to live with Jubal Harshaw, but he's got some great ideas! > >A story idea that I've been kicking around has to do with the idea that bad >living conditions (violence, having to struggle to survive) breed stronger >people. So what if God intentionally created a harsh environment (over the >foundation of religion, so that you always have something to believe in, >even when the going gets really rough) in order to create a strong army of >people, perhaps to battle other deities? It is by no means fleshed out, but >is interesting to play with in my mind when it is 3 a.m. and I'm not asleep >yet. [snip] Actually, in Frank Herbert's Dune, he has created such a people who are called the Fremen who lived in the harsh & exceedingly arid environment of the planet Dune. These people believed that God created Dune to test the faithful and that the people would become stronger as a result. When their Messiah came, the Fremen would be prepared by their life on Dune and therefore would then be able to take their rightful place in the universe. As it has been awhile since I've read Dune or seen the movie, I'm having trouble remembering much more. For this concept alone Dune is an interesting book. I also enjoyed "Stranger In a Strange Land" . I would agree that Jubal Harshaw would be an interesting person to know, but not necessarily nice to live with. In this book, Heinlein makes several interesting philosophical points and some astute observations about society and civilization in general. Helen ************************************ Helen Wilfehrt Dept. Physiology (M211) Northwestern University Medical School 303 E. Chicago Ave Chicago, IL 60611 Voice: (312) 503-0202 FAX: (312) 503-5101 Email: h-wilfehrt-+AT+-nwu.edu ------------------------------ End of MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 202 *********************************