MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 203 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) re: Books'n'such by h-wilfehrt-+AT+-nwu.edu (Helen M. Wilfehrt) 2) Re: A new book to recommend by Mat Timmerman 3) Re: Hallowe'en by Rich Crawford 4) Re: middle books by Mat Timmerman 5) Re: Hallowe'en by RUNDLE-+AT+-wilma.bcasd.az.honeywell.com 6) RE: *quite* off topic by Rosario Holsen-Baker 7) HELP! by dstorrs-+AT+-crossover.com (David K. Storrs) 8) Re: Hallowe'en by dstorrs-+AT+-crossover.com (David K. Storrs) 9) Re: Too Dim Villains (was Re: Tremane) by dstorrs-+AT+-crossover.com (David K. Storrs) 10) Re: Hallowe'en by dstorrs-+AT+-crossover.com (David K. Storrs) 11) Re: Tremane by dstorrs-+AT+-crossover.com (David K. Storrs) 12) Re: Hallowe'en by dstorrs-+AT+-crossover.com (David K. Storrs) 13) RE: book recomendations by dstorrs-+AT+-crossover.com (David K. Storrs) 14) RE: book recomendations by dstorrs-+AT+-crossover.com (David K. Storrs) 15) RE: *quite* off topic by "Sarah Stock" 16) RE: A new book to recommend by "Sarah Stock" 17) Re: halloween (sort of); *quite* off topic by JESSE ROUSE 18) Re: Mirrim by CHONNI 19) Re: halloween (sort of); *quite* off topic by Amy Mason 20) Re: middle books by Amy Mason 21) Re: *quite* off topic by Bruce Garrett 22) Re: NEW POLL! by Rich Crawford 23) Re: Roanoke by Gyrfalcon 24) Re: narnia and aslan and religion and stuff by Jennifer Broekman 25) Re: A new book to recommend by ristuben-+AT+-webstar.net (erik ristuben) 26) Re: Narnia by ristuben-+AT+-webstar.net (erik ristuben) 27) RE: *quite* off topic by ristuben-+AT+-webstar.net (erik ristuben) 28) Re: middle books by ristuben-+AT+-webstar.net (erik ristuben) 29) Re: Hallowe'en by ristuben-+AT+-webstar.net (erik ristuben) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 13:38:25 -0600 From: h-wilfehrt-+AT+-nwu.edu (Helen M. Wilfehrt) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: re: Books'n'such Message-ID: <199511011938.AA038944705-+AT+-casbah.acns.nwu.edu> >on the subject of young adult authors I would like to add Tamora Pierce. >Along with Robin McKinley and The Narnia series, her books started me on >my love of fantasy. I think my favorite novel that she wrote is In the >Hand of the Goddess. She has strong female characters but she doesn't >make out men to be weak or evil. Anyone else had favorable (or >of course unfavorable) experiences with either her work or McKinley's >(she wrote The Blue Sword and the Hero and the Crown)? > >Kathleen Wing > ************************************** > * ^0 0^ Kat Wing * > * >o< wingk-+AT+-river.it.gvsu.edu * > * \_/ Wind to thy wings! * > ************************************** I've really enjoyed McKinley's Blue Sword and Hero. I haven't read Tamora Pierce. Among other favorite authors of mine who write for young adults, I would include Susan Cooper's "The Dark is Rising" series, Lloyd Alexander's "Prydain Chronicles" series, L'Guin's Atuan series, L'Engle's Austin series and the series beginning with "A Wrinkle in Time". One book which I really enjoy - it's actually an advanced young reader book - is "Dove Isabeau" by Jane Yolen. I got this in college from a former boyfriend, after I mentioned how I liked it. I loved the Narnia books as well. I actually ended up doing my senior year high school British Lit. course term paper on Lewis and the images of God/Jesus in his Narnia books. For this paper I read several of Lewis's books, both fiction and non-fiction. This particular topic seemed to be the most concise. Helen ************************************ Helen Wilfehrt Dept. Physiology (M211) Northwestern University Medical School 303 E. Chicago Ave Chicago, IL 60611 Voice: (312) 503-0202 FAX: (312) 503-5101 Email: h-wilfehrt-+AT+-nwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Nov 1995 14:50:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Mat Timmerman To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: A new book to recommend Message-ID: <01HX4SBL4PMQ9368B4-+AT+-vaxc.hofstra.edu> From: ahendon-+AT+-amanda.dorsai.org > >Glad to hear that Diane Duane's newest (Wizard Abroad) is available >(could someone post the URL for the Future Fantasy Bookstore on the >Net?). I loved her "Door" series and waited *years* for the next one >to come out. I think that the URL is http://futfan.com . I can't really check right now only has Lynx (ick) which doesn't show the URL you're at. You could also do a search for "future fantasy" using webcrawler at http://webcrawler.com . If you do that, also search for "owl springs partership" -- DD's home page with a preview of "Cats of Grand Central" on it. Mat -- Mat Timmerman accmjt-+AT+-vaxc.hofstra.edu "I don't care what you smell, just get in there." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 11:57:18 -0800 From: Rich Crawford To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Hallowe'en Message-ID: <199511011957.LAA24180-+AT+-franc.ucdavis.edu> At 07:52 PM 11/1/95 GMT, you wrote: >>All I can say is, those Christian who scream that Hallowe'en (or >>role-playing games or He-Man action figures or chocolate chip cookies or >>whatever) promotes devil worship DO NOT NOT NOT NOT NOT NOT represent all of >>us Christians!!!!! I wish they would crawl back into their holes and >>realize they are not the Voice of God. >> >>Sorry. Got that rant out of my system now.> >>Peace >>Rich, the role-playing-Hallowe'en-celebrating-chocolate-chip-eating Zen >>Episcopalian > >Yah, we know there are lots of OK christians out there. You guys just have >the unfortunate problem of being overshadowed by the annoying loud ones. So >when we complain, we don't really think you're all that way, no more than I >think all men are scum just because a few are obnoxious. Like all >generalizations, it has big gaping holes. I appollogise if we've made you >feel sort of persecuted or picked upon or misunderstood. We know it's not >you. > > >gjuka-+AT+-cnw.com > > > > No, I wasn't feeling persecuted. I was feeling annoyed at the annoying loud Christians who think they are in a position to morally judge other people. I was just hoping to explain that yes, there are OK christians out there. Paranoia is not my style. ............................................................................ ................................ Zhai'helleva Rich ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Nov 1995 14:53:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Mat Timmerman To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: middle books Message-ID: <01HX4SGJE5SO9368B4-+AT+-vaxc.hofstra.edu> From: ristuben-+AT+-webstar.net (erik ristuben) >Snip: >> >>Can any one name a trillogy (book or movie) where the second one IS as good >>as the other two? I've been thinking about this for a while and really >>havn't found any. > > >I can! I can! Anything by Melanie Rawn! The Dragon Prince consisting of The >Dragon Prince, The Star Scroll and Sunrunner's Fire. Also Dragon Star >consisting of Stronghold, The Dragon Token and Skybowl. They are full of >political intrigue amongst the ruling families of Melanie's fantasy world >and I really agonized over each one, even the book two's! I loved them too, though Prince is better than Star. I like Rohan sooooo much better than Pol. He's a spoiled brat most of the time. I wanted to give a few good smacks a time or two. Also try her most recent book, "The Ruins of Ambrai", part 1 of the Exiles. Not as good as the Dragon books, but good. Mat -- Mat Timmerman accmjt-+AT+-vaxc.hofstra.edu "I don't care what you smell, just get in there." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 13:14:25 -0700 (MST) From: RUNDLE-+AT+-wilma.bcasd.az.honeywell.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Hallowe'en Message-ID: <951101131425.22407ad7-+AT+-wilma.bcasd.az.honeywell.com> >>Come to think of it, I think Easter was scheduled near the Spring Solstice >>for exactly the same reason. >>Rich >Yes, exactly. in fact, if you look you'll see that Easter is always the >first sunday after the first full moon after spring solstice. That's why it >moves so much. I believe it's on a feast for a goddess with a name that >looks a lot like the word easter, but i don't remember what it was. it was >traditional to paint eggs. (course it was also traditonal to make love in >freshly plowed fields too, but guess that one didn't get picked up. Darn!) >-colette Hee hee. So do we call it the holiday for the goddess formerly known as Easter? Hee hee. Too much MTV I guess. Where one "artist" is constantly referred to as "the artist formerly known as Prince" since he changed his name to some unpronouncable line noise StarWolf - feeling a lot more whimsical now that colette and I have cleared out the sexism debate ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 15:18:27 -0500 (EST) From: Rosario Holsen-Baker To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: RE: *quite* off topic Message-ID: On Wed, 1 Nov 1995 RUNDLE-+AT+-wilma.bcasd.az.honeywell.com wrote: > > > > >Rutger Hauer!!! Go Navarre! Who here has seen Ladyhawke? As far as daydreams > >go I've daydreamed about being Vanyel or Stefen, Elspeth (Hawkbrother > >lover!), Nyara, and Di Tregarde. > > I want an Andre, dammit! > > 100% second that one! Ladyhawke is one of the best movies I've ever seen! > Rutger Hauer was awesome. The scene when the two lovers meet at dawn > makes me weep every time, and I don't mean a one-hanky-ier! It's the > same story (in some senses) of the Sun and Shadow of Misty's universe. Rutger Hauer!!!! Dirk!!!! Any takers? And who would be Talia? |------------------------------------------------------------------------| | Tygra Nightblades | | | | File not found: _Meaning of life_ | | Abort, Retry, Ignore? | | | |------------------------------------------------------------------------| ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 14:08:09 -0500 From: dstorrs-+AT+-crossover.com (David K. Storrs) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: HELP! Message-ID: <199511011908.OAA01638-+AT+-prague.crossover.com> What is going on here?! Within the past week or so, the traffic on this list has gone from a nice, moderate amount to "oh-my-god-I'm-being-blown-out-the-door"! What happened? Dave ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 14:30:14 -0500 From: dstorrs-+AT+-crossover.com (David K. Storrs) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Hallowe'en Message-ID: <199511011930.OAA01711-+AT+-prague.crossover.com> > >>Come to think of it, I think Easter was scheduled near the Spring Solstice >>for exactly the same reason. >> > >>Rich > >Yes, exactly. in fact, if you look you'll see that Easter is always the >first sunday after the first full moon after spring solstice. That's why it >moves so much. I believe it's on a feast for a goddess with a name that >looks a lot like the word easter, but i don't remember what it was. it was >traditional to paint eggs. >(course it was also traditonal to make love in freshly plowed fields too [....] ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Shoot, these days I'd settle for having that happen to me AT ALL, forget every year on a specific holiday. Closest I ever came to such a romantic setting was a Maryland golfcourse, and it's been a long dry spell. > >-colette > > >gjuka-+AT+-cnw.com > > > Dave the lonely frustrated computer psycho ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 14:33:08 -0500 From: dstorrs-+AT+-crossover.com (David K. Storrs) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Too Dim Villains (was Re: Tremane) Message-ID: <199511011933.OAA01718-+AT+-prague.crossover.com> >For a really good, sympathetic villain, I recommend the 'Star Wars' trilogy >writen by Timothy Zahn: Heirs of the Empire; Dark Force Rising; and The Last >Command. > >There are minor wicked villains; and a Lackey-type p[ower-mad crazy, but the >main villain is well-drawn, has rational (and by his own light, worthy) >motives for hsi actions and give the heroes a really hard time. > >Yet you still root for the heroes. > >Not being a fan of spin-off fiction, I was pleasantly surprised by the >quality of these three novels. > >Philip >-- > Philip Johnson > 'Never do for yourself what you can con an expert into doing for you' > Naismith: 'On War' > 'A rational government wouldn't allow him possession of a pocket-knife, > let alone a space fleet.' Cordelia, Countess Vorkosigan: 'On Naismith' > > As was I actually, and I _HATE_ spin-off fiction. Dave ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 14:46:14 -0500 From: dstorrs-+AT+-crossover.com (David K. Storrs) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Hallowe'en Message-ID: <199511011946.OAA01749-+AT+-prague.crossover.com> >Is anyone beside me irritated by the fact that much of America seems to >honestly think that Hallowe'en is a night of devil worship? Now I will >admit that All Hallows Eve is a night of many _pagan_ rituals (emphasizing >that 'pagan' just means not Christian), but most of these rituals are >concerned with keeping evil AWAY from us. > >I am getting very annoyed because there was a story on the national news >about 2 weeks ago about a town in the Midwest where the school asked >children not to wear costumes in because Hallowe'en is a holiday of devil >worship, and they didn't want to have their children celebrating a holiday >of the devil. Also, the last issue of Newsweek had a snippet in it about >another town where a church (also against the devil worship night of >Hallowe'en) is sposoring "Hell Night", where they are putting on a graphic >demonstration of Hell (and what will get you there) as an alternative to the >mainstream Hallowe'en activities. > >Now I will admit that there are some cults that are particularly fond of >Hallowe'en for rituals, and Samhain is an important night for modern >"witches". But I seriously doubt that Hallowe'en is truly, for the large >majority of people, a night of devil worship. > >Any takers? ><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >< The time has come, the walrus said > >< to talk of many things, > >< Of shoes and ships and sealing wax, > >< of cabbages and kings. > >< --- Lewis Carroll > ><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >Heather L. Mina >hlmina-+AT+-vwc.edu >heamin-+AT+-sunshine.vab.unisysgsg.com > > Yes I find this annoying, and no, I won't take your bet. I also find it enraging that most of the bonehea...err, that is, most of mainstream America, thinks that AD&D and SF&F are straight, downhill roads to Hell. Dave ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 14:50:09 -0500 From: dstorrs-+AT+-crossover.com (David K. Storrs) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Tremane Message-ID: <199511011950.OAA01753-+AT+-prague.crossover.com> > > >On Mon, 30 Oct 1995, David K. Storrs wrote: > >> If you want to have an out and out evil person in a story, it's >> difficult to do -- most 20th century people have never encountered true evil >> (I know I haven't) and would have trouble believing that anyone could be so >> bad. Therefore, it is easier to portray villains as insane, or >> misunderstood, or *something* in order to give a "justification" for the >> behavior of the character. > >As we continue to spin off topic ... I would like your opinion on a trend >in literature (both speculative and non) that I've noticed recently. I'm >taking a creative writing class in which we're reading an anthology of >contemporary short stories, and it seems like the bulk of them center >around a character who is insane, simpleminded, or both. I really don't >like this at all. Writing an insane character seems to me like a >copout. "Gee, my character can do any perverse and disgusting thing I >want him to do, because he's insane." I think it's more of a challenge >to write a "normal" person with real problems that a lot of people have, >and leading that person along a path that will lead him/her to recovery, >or will sink them further into their own depression/immorality/whatever. >I believe that it is essential to give a reason for evildoing - I can't >accept a character that is evil for evil's sake. Even if a person is >mentally unbalanced, something happened to make them that way. Does >anyone out there agree? Rhonda > > I'm with you, Rhonda. Personally, I DON'T think that insane people do just anything for any reason...there is always SOME reason, it just isn't one that fits into the logical framework that the rest of us work under. E.g, "the rays from my neighbor's television set commanded me to kill him" (true story). It doesn't make sense from my world view, but it did make sense from one poor man's view. The hard part is to write the bridge between the two world views in such a way that it can be believed by those who don't share one of the two. Dave ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 14:52:27 -0500 From: dstorrs-+AT+-crossover.com (David K. Storrs) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Hallowe'en Message-ID: <199511011952.OAA01759-+AT+-prague.crossover.com> >> >There are at least 3 churches in the Roanoke, Virginia area that are >holding "good, healthy, Christian themed parties" so that children learn >that " they don't have to pretend to be the devil" in order to have fun >(I can get exact quotes if anyone is interested) I would be very interested actually. It'll drive me berserk, but I'd be interested. Dave >Zhai'helleva > >Ned > > >Ned Adams aka S. Baldrick Sometimes it is better to light a >sbaldric-+AT+-roanoke.infi.net flamethrower than to curse the darkness >(540) 890-0212 (T. Pratchett) > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 15:04:47 -0500 From: dstorrs-+AT+-crossover.com (David K. Storrs) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: RE: book recomendations Message-ID: <199511012004.PAA01771-+AT+-prague.crossover.com> >of their books. I still remember finding out too much about Misty's >attitude towards/problems with fans, and it definitely put me off >for a little while. :( > >StarWolf > > I may regret asking but, but... What attitudes/problems? Dave ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 15:14:57 -0500 From: dstorrs-+AT+-crossover.com (David K. Storrs) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: RE: book recomendations Message-ID: <199511012014.PAA01800-+AT+-prague.crossover.com> > >STARWOLF wrote: >To return the favor, anything by Raymond Feist is worth checking >out. In my opinion one of the best "epic" fantasy types, depending >on your definition of epic of course. > >Hi all.... >I heartily agree.....I read Feist's Riftwar Saga several years ago, and >adored it.....definitely one of the best "epic" series I've read in a long >time!!!!! >Fiona > > Personally, I felt that the Riftwar books were some of the best I had ever read. However, the second series, written with Janet Wurts ( _Daughter of... Mistress of... Servant of the Empire_) are even better. Dave ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Nov 1995 10:26:22 +1200 From: "Sarah Stock" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: RE: *quite* off topic Message-ID: <199511012216.LAA04049-+AT+-ftp.paradigm.co.nz> > 100% second that one! Ladyhawke is one of the best movies I've ever seen! > Rutger Hauer was awesome. The scene when the two lovers meet at dawn > makes me weep every time, and I don't mean a one-hanky-ier! It's the > same story (in some senses) of the Sun and Shadow of Misty's universe. > > In fact, come to think of it, if you just take the Sun and Shadow story > exclusive of any other stuff like heralds and everything, isn't Ladyhawke > exactly their story? I thought that when I read the Sun and Shadow poem, and wondered if Misty had been influenced by Ladyhawke. Defintely my fav movie of all time! > I must also agree that Michael Praed would make an excellent Vanyel. Just who I always thought of when I read the books. He is Vanyel for me. Sarah ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Nov 1995 10:49:55 +1200 From: "Sarah Stock" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: RE: A new book to recommend Message-ID: <199511012240.LAA04112-+AT+-ftp.paradigm.co.nz> To those people (or persons) who recommended Gael Baudino. Thank You! I was down at the local bookstore looking for Storm Rising (which of course isn't here yet) and saw her trilogy. Bought all three on chance, and stayed up until 1.00 last night reading them. That hasn't happened in ages, there just hasn't been the fantasy around to keep me up. Anyway, I will now have to buy just about everything recommended on the list (if I haven't already got it). Don't you just love finding new authors? Sarah ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Nov 1995 17:42:28 -0400 (EDT) From: JESSE ROUSE To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: halloween (sort of); *quite* off topic Message-ID: <01HX4YA52ULU8Y5I94-+AT+-conrad.appstate.edu> IMHO, I think that the new vampire (whose name I have completely spaced) from Forever Knight would make a wonderful Vanyel, he looks a lot like the cover art, and even more like what I imagine him to look like. (Talk about a run-on sentence) Jesse lr5967-+AT+-appstate.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Nov 1995 14:48:50 -0800 (PST) From: CHONNI To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Mirrim Message-ID: I didn't mind Mirrim in Dragonsong, hated her in the White Dragon (your not alone Starwolf!) and grew to kind of like her in ??? REnegades? All the Weyrs???? cuz I like T'gellan. Did I get any of the names right? *********************************************************************** -Chonni Brightwolf (Katherine Moll, student) University College of the Cariboo British Columbia, CANADA ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 14:47:33 -0800 (PST) From: Amy Mason To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: halloween (sort of); *quite* off topic Message-ID: On Wed, 1 Nov 1995, Gjuka wrote: > Anyone care to speculate on the cuteness of > >Vanyel's (insert anatomical characteristic of your choice here) as > >opposed to Harrison Ford, Denzel Washington, or Val Kilmer (who I have > >never seen.)? ;) > > > >I\/ Catherine Osborne > > > Oh, well, without a doubt Vanyel rules supreme. Beautiful men have always > been my type, even if (due to Vanyel's non-existance and sexual preferance) > I am doomed to merely admire. Besides, looking is fun. Now who here hasn't > daydreamed being in Stefan's position? > (little voice- "but which one?!") > > -coltte Daydreamed???? Naw...not me. Every time I read LHM! Amy :) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 14:49:24 -0800 (PST) From: Amy Mason To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: middle books Message-ID: On Wed, 1 Nov 1995, Gjuka wrote: > Can any one name a trillogy (book or movie) where the second one IS as good > as the other two? I've been thinking about this for a while and really > havn't found any. > > gjuka-+AT+-cnw.com Oh easily, the Star Wars Trilogy! Each movie was better than the one before IMO! Any thoughts? Amy :) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 18:08:27 -0500 (EST) From: Bruce Garrett To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: *quite* off topic Message-ID: <199511012308.SAA05677-+AT+-access4.digex.net> ristuben-+AT+-webstar.net (erik ristuben) writes... >> Anyone care to speculate on the cuteness of Vanyel's (insert anatomical >> characteristic of your choice here)... Cute...ah...nose. Yes...Very cute nose. >> ...as opposed to Harrison Ford, Denzel Washington, or Val Kilmer (who I >> have never seen.)? ;) ER> The other newsgroups I frequent include Anne Rice fans and they are busy ER> debating who would make a better Lestat, Tom Cruise or Val Kilmer. ER> Now, I definitely do not want to start such a horrifyingly boring ER> debate as that on this board, but I do wonder who you all think would ER> make the perfect Vanyel. ...I must give my own vote: the eternally ER> beautiful Michael Praed of the Showtime Robin Hood Series... Praed would get my vote too...but it's been a while since he did the Robin Hood series and I'm not sure Vanyel would suit him as well these days. But he would have been perfect for it when he was doing Robin Hood though, and for all I know he may still be. I don't know who else I would want to see play the role. These are hard positions to fill. I think that's because the characters make such a strong impression. The roles of Stef/Tylendel would be pretty hard to cast...the only actress I could imagine playing Savil would have been right for it in the seventies, I'm unsure whether she's even alive now or not...and I can't imagine who would do Moondance and Starwind. Because of the references to his long node-bleached hair, I often had the image of one of the Nelson twins pop into my mind while reading about Moondance...(talk about eternally beautiful...). I think that scene with him playing a flute as he healed Vanyel in the second book reenforced the connection in my mind, but that's probably not close to what Misty had in mind for the character. Yfandes voice is interesting to consider. When I'm reading the books I can almost vividly hear it...but to match it to an actress is hard. -Bruce Garrett delurking... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 15:13:43 -0800 From: Rich Crawford To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: NEW POLL! Message-ID: <199511012313.PAA04570-+AT+-franc.ucdavis.edu> New Poll? Put me down as just shy of utterly liberal. ............................................................................ ................................ Zhai'helleva Rich ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 18:37:09 -0500 (EST) From: Gyrfalcon To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Roanoke Message-ID: On Wed, 1 Nov 1995, owl wrote: > "of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most" We miss you mind too Owl. --Gyrfalcon Yessir just send me a straight line and duck! =======================msowers-+AT+-menger.eecs.stevens-tech.edu=================== Magic still exists. We have only to reach out and touch it, it is a part of the very fabric of the world. When our belief of magic completely dies this universe shall die. Because that magic; Hope, Dreams, Love, Beauty, Wonder, Belief, and Discovery are what make us a people. They are all part of a great Art whose workings are still a mystery but whose applications can be seen every day. If we ever lose the Art mankind shall not last the day. Let the magic that is in us roam free in our work, play, in each other, and most of all in ourselves. Let it roam free or it will die. ============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 18:49:44 -0500 (EST) From: Jennifer Broekman To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: narnia and aslan and religion and stuff Message-ID: On Wed, 1 Nov 1995, Elise M Packee wrote: > okay, sticking my soap box in here.... > I love Narnia...and I agree so far with everyones books selections and > theones i haven't read i am going to go to the library and borrow... > I totally adore aslan...and i am not christian, but this gives me a > chance to rave about one of my favorite aspects of valdemar, that has > become the central point to my beliefs.... I loved the Narnia books, too, and I expect to enjoy reading them to my children, but I thought it was amusing that someone (I forget who) went on about how he loved the Narnia books and hated Tepper's books because they were anti-organized religion. My reaction was something like, "Oh, so it's okay to rant *for* organized religion, but not against?" Not that I thought the Narnia books were rants, but I can see how someone who didn't encounter them until they were adult non-Christians might... > In the vlegarth books, it is constantly being stated there is no one true > way...recent developments have begun to point to the fact the different > gods and goddesses are just different aspects and perspectives of the > worshipers... > my theory is known as the paper cup theory (it was formed in a dining > commons when the dishwasher broke and we had to use paper dishes) > we are all seeing thee same thing except from different angles...and no > one every sees things the same way as anyone else...it is all based on > persepctive an point of view... My personal hope is that Misty *doesn't* succomb to the temptation to make all the deities aspects of one Being of Light. My favorite theory about deities is that found in Heinlein's _Job_: there are multiple deities, all of whom sit on a committee and answer to the Chairman, who's on a higher committee, etc... And no, the unending recursion doesn't bother me. (Hey, maybe that's why Vkandis was inattentive for so long: he had to wait for some decision to go all the way up through the ranks...:-)) > I agree michael praed for vanyel...and my personal opinion is that all > the good me are gay, taken, dead or fictional....vanyel is the poster boy > for that theory... And all the good women are straight, taken, dead, or fictional... I think Talia Winters wins as poster girl...:-) -jenneke jsb-+AT+-phantom.com new .sig in development ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Nov 95 18:20 CST From: ristuben-+AT+-webstar.net (erik ristuben) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: A new book to recommend Message-ID: >And *definitely* pick up Timeshadow Rider if you can find it--it's actually >a prequel (*very* "pre") to the Fire Dancer series. > -Daria > > That's the only Anne Maxwell book I had until just last week when I purchased Fire Dancer. Does anyone have a complete Anne Maxwell title list? Firefly ristuben-+AT+-webstar.net ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Nov 95 18:23 CST From: ristuben-+AT+-webstar.net (erik ristuben) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Narnia Message-ID: > >This might make another interesting poll (mind you, I'm not volunteering >to keep track of a poll, I'm not crazy!)--the ages of people who still love >Narnia and the ages of people who've "outgrown" it? Personally, I still >love Aslan, and I'm 26. Anyone else? > -Daria > > I'm 23 and I just reread them about six months ago. I also rented the live-action tapes of the stories and although they are not like a Spielburg with all the special effects, they were warm and funny, although somewhat long in places. Anyway, I vote "not outgrown them" Firefly ristuben-+AT+-webstar.net ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Nov 95 18:26 CST From: ristuben-+AT+-webstar.net (erik ristuben) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: RE: *quite* off topic Message-ID: Regarding: >In fact, come to think of it, if you just take the Sun and Shadow story >exclusive of any other stuff like heralds and everything, isn't Ladyhawke >exactly their story? (with best Beavis voice and much head banging!) YEAH YEAH YEAH! Sun and Shadow, exactly! Am I the only poor soul out there who would sell snowcones on a roadside stand in Alaska to get my paws on a trilogy about Sun and Shadow? Ooo ooo, good thread! Firefly ristuben-+AT+-webstar.net ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Nov 95 18:33 CST From: ristuben-+AT+-webstar.net (erik ristuben) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: middle books Message-ID: Regarding: > >I loved the Dragon Prince trilogy, but I haven't gotten my hands on anything >after Stronghold (which left me *very* depressed). Is the second trilogy up >to the standard set by the first? > > Melanie Rawn's third trilogy is called Exiles: and the first novel is The Ruins of Ambrai. After a lot of disappointment at the disjointed way it begins, I began to get into it as something approaching a plot began to unfold. It's like Melanie said "Whoa boy! I'm somewhere strange and new with people I don't know yet. Where am I going with this?" Then about mid book it all starts to spin out with Melanie's tell-tale million intriguing subplots and the end leaves you craving more. So if you invest in the mini-monster that is the paperback version of Ruins, plow through it by all means. Patient mining unearths true gold. Firefly ristuben-+AT+-webstar.net ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Nov 95 18:37 CST From: ristuben-+AT+-webstar.net (erik ristuben) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Hallowe'en Message-ID: > >I also enjoyed "Stranger In a Strange Land" . I would agree that Jubal >Harshaw would be an interesting person to know, but not necessarily nice to >live with. In this book, Heinlein makes several interesting philosophical >points and some astute observations about society and civilization in It's funny, when I was a teenager and too immature to hold on to one companion for any length of time, I thought that Heinlein had the ultimate point of view: love shared is love doubled! I thought hey! I'll start a harem of beautiful men and women and we'll all get together and sing songs by acoustic guitar... (Shiny happy people......) But after I got married and looked back I thought, egad! Rueful grins, Firefly ristuben-+AT+-webstar.net ------------------------------ End of MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 203 *********************************