MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 204 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) RE: Sexism by gjuka-+AT+-cnw.com (Gjuka) 2) Re: middle books by GERKEJ-+AT+-MINNIE.HOLLINS.EDU 3) Re: middle books by Saverte 4) Re: narnia and aslan and religion and stuff by Gyrfalcon 5) Re: Tremane by Rhonda Rodriguez 6) RE: book recomendations by dstorrs-+AT+-crossover.com (David K. Storrs) 7) Re: Hallowe'en by dstorrs-+AT+-crossover.com (David K. Storrs) 8) Re: Tremane by gjuka-+AT+-cnw.com (Gjuka) 9) Re: middle books by Hollie Virgin 10) Re: narnia and aslan and religion and stuff by dstorrs-+AT+-crossover.com (David K. Storrs) 11) Re: book recomendations by "Kristin A. Ruhle" 12) RE: Sexism by "J.A. Xaevier" 13) Re: middle books by gjuka-+AT+-cnw.com (Gjuka) 14) Re: narnia and aslan and religion and stuff by gjuka-+AT+-cnw.com (Gjuka) 15) Re: Hallowe'en by gjuka-+AT+-cnw.com (Gjuka) 16) Re: middle books by gjuka-+AT+-cnw.com (Gjuka) 17) Re: middle books by urtho-+AT+-stargazer.netshop.net (Kyle Matheson) 18) Worse sequels :-) by jc-+AT+-crosfield.co.uk (Jerry Cullingford) 19) ADMIN: how to stop your mailbox exploding by mel (Melanie Dymond Harper) 20) Re: Tremane by mel (Melanie Dymond Harper) 21) Re: narnia and aslan and religion and stuff by mel (Melanie Dymond Harper) 22) Ann Maxwell list by jc-+AT+-crosfield.co.uk (Jerry Cullingford) 23) Re: Hallowe'en by Rosario Holsen-Baker 24) RE: *quite* off topic by Rosario Holsen-Baker 25) Re: narnia and aslan and religion and stuff by Catherine Osborne 26) Re: HELP! by Heather Mina 27) Re: middle books by Heather Mina 28) Re: Worse sequels :-) by Heather Mina 29) Re: Hallowe'en by Heather Mina ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 16:36:10 -0800 From: gjuka-+AT+-cnw.com (Gjuka) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: RE: Sexism Message-ID: <9511020025.AA18850-+AT+-baker> >The disagreement over the use of the word victim in referring to people >who have been negatively affected by other's prejudices or actions is an >important one. People who prefer not to use the word victim do not, >generally, mean that the person(s) in question has not suffered some sort >of harm. Nor do they mean that the person in question inflicted that >harm upon her/himself, in most cases. What is meant by choosing not to >be a victim of something is that one be a *survivor* of that prejudice, >rape, etc. The word victim connotes passive reception of the actions of >another. The word survivor connotes actively moving beyond these actions >to the rest of one's life. Victim makes the affected person acted upon. >Survivor makes the affected person an actor. And that's the difference. >I think most people are *survivors* of *ism, rape, theft, etc. About the >only people who have had a wrong committed against them who are victims >are murder victims, who can't move beyond the murder, and those who >refuse to become active after the incident(s). And by move beyond, I >don't mean forget about, deny, or suppress. I don't even mean return to >life as it was before. I mean continue to heal and be a functioning >member of society, someone who can take care of her/himself, for the most >part. >Sorry I went on so long, but I think the semantics of this issue are >*very* important, and for somebody to attack somebody else because they >said we aren't all victims. AAARRRGGGGHHHHH! thankyou. i'm glad someone saw what i meant. or at least i think you did and that makes me feel better. -colette (who has reverted to lowercase because she's feeling shy.) gjuka-+AT+-cnw.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 19:42:47 -0500 (EST) From: GERKEJ-+AT+-MINNIE.HOLLINS.EDU To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: middle books Message-ID: <951101194247.2023daab-+AT+-MINNIE.HOLLINS.EDU> > Snip: >> >>Can any one name a trillogy (book or movie) where the second one IS as good >>as the other two? I've been thinking about this for a while and really >>havn't found any. > > > I can! I can! Anything by Melanie Rawn! The Dragon Prince consisting of The > Dragon Prince, The Star Scroll and Sunrunner's Fire. Also Dragon Star > consisting of Stronghold, The Dragon Token and Skybowl. They are full of > political intrigue amongst the ruling families of Melanie's fantasy world > and I really agonized over each one, even the book two's! > > Firefly I agree!! Read them this summer and even though they are long, with small print :), I read the second series in a weekend. Luckly that was before school starts. All of her series are good, read them read them!!!!!!!! -Jennie ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 09:50:36 -0500 (EST) From: Saverte To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: middle books Message-ID: On Wed, 1 Nov 1995, Gjuka wrote: > Can any one name a trillogy (book or movie) where the second one IS as good > as the other two? I've been thinking about this for a while and really > havn't found any. > > > >Hollie Virgin > gjuka-+AT+-cnw.com .. .. .. Foundation and Empire, book 2 of The Foundation Trilogy(the original:)): By The late Great Isaac Asimov. .. book 2 of both the Harperhall trilogy, and the Dragonriders of Pern, both by Anne Mccaffrey. That's all I can think of for now Scott Schuler saverte-+AT+-bbs.party.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 20:27:38 -0500 (EST) From: Gyrfalcon To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: narnia and aslan and religion and stuff Message-ID: > I agree michael praed for vanyel...and my personal opinion is that all > the good me are gay, taken, dead or fictional....vanyel is the poster boy > for that theory... Hey! I resent that, I, my dear, am straight. Now dead and fictional I'm willing to argue over a cup of hot chocolate. --Gyrfalcon =======================msowers-+AT+-menger.eecs.stevens-tech.edu=================== Magic still exists. We have only to reach out and touch it, it is a part of the very fabric of the world. When our belief of magic completely dies this universe shall die. Because that magic; Hope, Dreams, Love, Beauty, Wonder, Belief, and Discovery are what make us a people. They are all part of a great Art whose workings are still a mystery but whose applications can be seen every day. If we ever lose the Art mankind shall not last the day. Let the magic that is in us roam free in our work, play, in each other, and most of all in ourselves. Let it roam free or it will die. ============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 20:36:03 -0500 (EST) From: Rhonda Rodriguez To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Tremane Message-ID: On Wed, 1 Nov 1995, Thomas, Daria wrote: > On Tue, 31 Oct 1995, Rhonda Rodriguez wrote: > > > As we continue to spin off topic ... I would like your opinion on a trend > > in literature (both speculative and non) that I've noticed recently. I'm > > taking a creative writing class in which we're reading an anthology of > > contemporary short stories, and it seems like the bulk of them center > > around a character who is insane, simpleminded, or both. I really don't > > like this at all. Writing an insane character seems to me like a > > How about "Flowers for Algernon" (probably misspelled) where the > main character, at the beginning and end, was very simpleminded? > I thought that was an extremely moving story. I agree, this was one of the most powerful novels I've ever read. But it was a novel, which gave a clear background to the character of Charlie, and put him through a character arc, even if he was at the same intelligence level at the end as he was at the beginning. My original post was in reference to short stories. Read "A Romantic Weekend" by Mary Gaitskill and you'll see what I mean. Rhonda ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 20:12:51 -0500 From: dstorrs-+AT+-crossover.com (David K. Storrs) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: RE: book recomendations Message-ID: <199511020112.UAA02318-+AT+-prague.crossover.com> > >Well, just to let other fans know, the second book of the new series is >out. It's called "Rise of a Merchant Prince" I think. It's more of a >building book than an epic adventure in itself, as many second books of >trilogies tend to be. But it's an excellent book in its own right, you >learn what happened to some of the riftwar characters, etc. Wait a minute -- what new series? The Serpentwar Saga, or is this a NEW series that I haven't heard about yet (say yes, oh say yes...I desperately want as much Feist as possible!) Dave ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 20:14:31 -0500 From: dstorrs-+AT+-crossover.com (David K. Storrs) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Hallowe'en Message-ID: <199511020114.UAA02326-+AT+-prague.crossover.com> >Paranoia is not my style. > >........................................................................... >............................... >Zhai'helleva >Rich > > But remember: just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're NOT out to get you. :> Dave ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 18:43:26 -0800 From: gjuka-+AT+-cnw.com (Gjuka) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Tremane Message-ID: <9511020233.AA22065-+AT+-baker> Personally, I DON'T think that insane people >do just anything for any reason...there is always SOME reason, it just isn't >one that fits into the logical framework that the rest of us work under. >E.g, "the rays from my neighbor's television set commanded me to kill him" >(true story). It doesn't make sense from my world view, but it did make >sense from one poor man's view. The hard part is to write the bridge >between the two world views in such a way that it can be believed by those >who don't share one of the two. > > Dave A really good book to read is Grendel, by John Gardener. It's the story of Beowulf from the piont of view of the monster. Good good stuff. very convincing portrayal. I loved it a lot more than the original epic poem. I think you will too. colette gjuka-+AT+-cnw.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 21:44:27 -0500 (EST) From: Hollie Virgin To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: middle books Message-ID: <199511020244.VAA00160-+AT+-service1.cc.uky.edu> On Wed, 1 Nov 1995, Sanna Koulu wrote: >Gjuka wrote: >> Can any one name a trillogy (book or movie) where the second one IS as good >> as the other two? I've been thinking about this for a while and really >> havn't found any. >How about LeGuin's >Earthsea trilogy? I mean the Tombs of Atuan (Actually part 2 of 4 now) *snort* I refuse to count _Tehanu_ as part of the Earthsea trilogy. Just as I refuse to count _Mostly Harmless_ as part of the Hitchhiker trilogy. IMNSHO (I'm not in a particularly humble sort of mood...) both of them were tacked on as afterthoughts, and were completely unnecessary. (not to mention that _Mostly Harmless_'s ending absolutely reeked...) But as for the middle one of the _real_ trilogy being the best, I completely agree. I may be biased, because that's the one I read first, and I simply adore Tenar. *blink* I'm sorry, y'all. I'm in an Extremely Foul Mood (tm), and it's coming through in my post. If you want to hear the entire stomping ranting story, feel free to ask, but it mostly has to do with inconsiderate jerks who neglected to inform my SO, or any other member of his band, that the restaurant they were scheduled to play at tonight, and every other Wednesday indefinitely, has been permanently closed...*stomp rant stomp rant* *sigh* Don'tcha just _hate_ the Real World sometimes? Apologies again... Hollie Virgin ehvirg00-+AT+-pop.uky.edu "She will remember your heart when men are fairytales in books written by rabbits." -The Last Unicorn ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 22:41:47 -0500 From: dstorrs-+AT+-crossover.com (David K. Storrs) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: narnia and aslan and religion and stuff Message-ID: <199511020341.WAA02514-+AT+-prague.crossover.com> >And all the good women are straight, taken, dead, or fictional... I >think Talia Winters wins as poster girl...:-) > >-jenneke > >jsb-+AT+-phantom.com >new .sig in development > > Only partially true, jenneke -- I just met one of the most intelligent, sensual, sensitive, wonderful women I never dreamed existed, so there are some good ones out there. Of course, she does have a sweetie...but she believes in open relationships, so I guess she is only partially "taken" (of course it means I get to go totally out of my gourd, but hey, what are annoying social conventions for anyway?) Dave ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 21:10:17 -0800 (PST) From: "Kristin A. Ruhle" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: book recomendations Message-ID: <199511020510.AA29606-+AT+-foxtrot.rahul.net> > > > >>To return the favor, anything by Raymond Feist is worth checking > >>out. In my opinion one of the best "epic" fantasy types, depending > >>on your definition of epic of course. > > >YES! Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes!!!!! > > >I just finished reading (for the umpteenth time!) the Riftwar and Empire > >series again. And I am all delightfully warm and shivery! > > > > One of the neat things about Feist is that no character is really sacred. > One of the things you know with a Misty character is whether or not > they will live to a ripe old age. I mean, you knew somewhere in the > first 3rd of book one that Van wasn't going to live forever. Talia > and Elspeth are pretty much sacrosanct though. That's one of those > problem areas. I mean that when Ancar got hold of Talia, I wasn't truly > afraid for her. I knew he would do unspeakable things to her, but I > also knew that her character would survive and get over it. It's sort > of tattooed on Misty's characters foreheads "will survive all conflicts", > "expect me to die real soon" It makes it predictable, which can > be a real positive> (Accidentally justified paragraph - sorry...pico sucks :() When I first saw Arrows Fall, both from the title and the cover picture, I was *terrified* Talia was going to die! I read it in almost one sitting. After all, Misty had made a point of establishing that many Heralds get killed in the line of duty and her moral POV is definitely that some things (duty, saving an innocent life, et cetera) are worth dying for. So it would not have been that out of character for Talia to have died. Vanyel, on the other hand, you knew was predestined, since it was said in the very first book that his death was an historical *fact* and Talia is introduced right away to the darker aspects of being a Herald (ie that it is not all romance, your life is very much on the line.) Of course, by Talia's time the Heralds had "forgotten" real magic, which tended to distort the accounts of Vanyel's life and death such as the tale Talia was reading. Kristin not a Piers Anthony fan... , maybe, if you absolutely want no knowledge of the > > > > > > Feist on the other hand, will kill off most any character. You never > know from book to book, series to series, who will live and die. His > newest series has moved many years beyond the old one, so many of the > riftwar characters have died of old age. But he didn't jump far enough > that they were legends. Just, I don't know, 50 years or so. Maybe > 70. So you see their kids and grandkids. Very few authors seem willing > to leave a set of characters behind, stay in the same world, and build > a whole new set for you to get to know and love. > > {spoiler warning off} > > Anyway, I highly recommend Feist to everyone. > > StarWolf > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 21:22:32 -0800 (PST) From: "J.A. Xaevier" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: RE: Sexism Message-ID: I used to lurk on this list a while ago and have just recently rejoined. I'm glad to see that there are others who feel that we can choose, on some level, how the events that take place in our lives (*isms, rape, etc.) affect us. I've gone through a lot in my relatively short life and I find the word "survivor" VERY empowering. Does anyone know the paperback release dates for White Gryphon and Storm Rising? Unfortunately, being a student depletes the cash flow. Bright Blessings All, Xaevier ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 21:34:53 -0800 From: gjuka-+AT+-cnw.com (Gjuka) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: middle books Message-ID: <9511020524.AA25673-+AT+-baker> >On Wed, 1 Nov 1995, Gjuka wrote: > >> Can any one name a trillogy (book or movie) where the second one IS as good >> as the other two? I've been thinking about this for a while and really >> havn't found any. >> >> gjuka-+AT+-cnw.com > >Oh easily, the Star Wars Trilogy! Each movie was better than the one >before IMO! Any thoughts? > >Amy :) I guess it must just be me, but I liked the first and third ones best. Maybe it's one of my quirks or something. I did say it was relative...must only be relative to me. (Hey, can anyone name a food that can't be improved by the use of either garlic or chocoloate? I can, but not many- like jello or kool-aid) And was anyone kinda disapointed by the ambiguos relationship between Kori and Eric in Summoned to Tourney? I mean, I know Eric was a bit nervous about loving Kori AND Beth but shouldn't he have to deal with it? They slept in the same bed, but all hints of sexual attraction between Eric and Kori were just left out. that doesn't seem like Misty so I'm wondering if she had some other reason for doing it (like a major plot line in a future book)? I certainly hope there IS a sequal because Knight Of Ghosts and Shadows is my favorite Misty book(after The The Last Herald Mage of course, which is my absolute favorite, and I have to admit Tregard may be a close third) -Colette gjuka-+AT+-cnw.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 21:44:04 -0800 From: gjuka-+AT+-cnw.com (Gjuka) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: narnia and aslan and religion and stuff Message-ID: <9511020533.AA25830-+AT+-baker> I agree michael praed for vanyel...and my personal opinion is that all >> the good me are gay, taken, dead or fictional....vanyel is the poster boy >> for that theory... > >And all the good women are straight, taken, dead, or fictional... I >think Talia Winters wins as poster girl...:-) > >-jenneke Well I like to THINK I'm good, but maybe I'm wrong. Nah... -Colette (who's happy, bi, and certainly not fictional) gjuka-+AT+-cnw.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 21:50:38 -0800 From: gjuka-+AT+-cnw.com (Gjuka) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Hallowe'en Message-ID: <9511020540.AA25919-+AT+-baker> >It's funny, when I was a teenager and too immature to hold on to one >companion for any length of time, I thought that Heinlein had the ultimate >point of view: love shared is love doubled! I thought hey! I'll start a >harem of beautiful men and women and we'll all get together and sing songs >by acoustic guitar... (Shiny happy people......) But after I got married >and looked back I thought, egad! > >Rueful grins, >Firefly I have a friend who's managed both. She married ALL her lovers (not legally of course, only one is legally her spouse). She has two husbands and one wife and they all know each other and don't mind. It's interesting. Only time will tell how well this will work out. I swear she's like an amazonian sex goddess! She's always got people wishing she'd include them too. -Colette gjuka-+AT+-cnw.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 21:53:40 -0800 From: gjuka-+AT+-cnw.com (Gjuka) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: middle books Message-ID: <9511020543.AA25968-+AT+-baker> >> >> Can any one name a trillogy (book or movie) where the second one IS as good >> as the other two? I've been thinking about this for a while and really >> havn't found any. > >book 2 of both the Harperhall trilogy, and the Dragonriders of Pern, both >by Anne Mccaffrey. >Scott Schuler Well that one I must agree with. -colette gjuka-+AT+-cnw.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Nov 95 22:07 PST From: urtho-+AT+-stargazer.netshop.net (Kyle Matheson) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: middle books Message-ID: >On Wed, 1 Nov 1995, Sanna Koulu wrote: > >>Gjuka wrote: > >>> Can any one name a trillogy (book or movie) where the second one IS as good >>> as the other two? I've been thinking about this for a while and really >>> havn't found any. I think that any sequel that was planned with the original will be good. By that I mean the auther wrote one book, or planned one story and then broke it into pieces so that the sequel is planned before the first book hit print. A literary example of this are the Lord of the Rings, I found the 2cd book better than the first and the 3rd even better. Kyle Matheson urtho-+AT+-stargazer.netshop.net "Theirs not to make reply, Theirs not to reason why, Theirs but to do and die" Alfred, Lord Tennyson, 1854 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Nov 1995 09:29:44 +0000 (GMT) From: jc-+AT+-crosfield.co.uk (Jerry Cullingford) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Worse sequels :-) Message-ID: <9511020930.AA05379-+AT+-crosfield.co.uk> What about worst sequels, as well? My movie nomination has to be Highlander 2 - the original was brilliant, the sequel was rubbish (apart from a few bits - mostly Sean Connery's). They patched up a few tiny gaps in the original plot by demolishing the rest of it :-(. Gettiing back to some Misty content :-) What do you call a trilogy of trilogies? (Arrows, winds, storms). -- _|_ / | Jerry Cullingford jc-+AT+-crosfield.co.uk (Work) \_|_ jc-+AT+-selune.demon.co.uk (Home) \__/ Hemel Hempstead, UK jerry-+AT+-shell.portal.com (alternate) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Nov 1995 09:50:29 GMT From: mel (Melanie Dymond Harper) To: mercedes-lackey Subject: ADMIN: how to stop your mailbox exploding Message-ID: <9511020950.AA05037-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk> With the, uhm, increased activity on the list (I think we just broke a new record; four digests in 24 hours. Hmm, remind me to work out the total bytes involved and see how my poor little 64K link is coping), it seems like an appropriate time to remind people of the list's DIGEST option; basically, this means that you get messages bundled together (about 1000 lines of messages at a time, which is typically 20 - 30 messages) rather than getting each message separately. To set this, send mail to listproc-+AT+-herald.co.uk, with the usual blank subject line (or "No Subject" for those with broken software), and a message reading set mercedes-lackey mail digest To set it back to receive individual messages, send set mercedes-lackey mail ack Also, I've noticed a few people quoting the whole headers of a message when trying to reply to it; quite apart from being bad netiquette, this will actually cause Listproc to reject your message; anything with a header including the "X-Listprocessor-ID" line (or a couple of similar things) gets dropped in the bit bucket to avoid setting up loops. No, I will not try and work around this! We now return you to your regularly scheduled on-topic conversation ;) Mel. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Nov 1995 09:55:03 GMT From: mel (Melanie Dymond Harper) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Tremane Message-ID: <9511020955.AA05050-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk> > > How about "Flowers for Algernon" (probably misspelled) where the > > main character, at the beginning and end, was very simpleminded? > > I thought that was an extremely moving story. > > I agree, this was one of the most powerful novels I've ever read. But it > was a novel, which gave a clear background to the character of Charlie, > and put him through a character arc, even if he was at the same > intelligence level at the end as he was at the beginning. My original > post was in reference to short stories. Read "A Romantic Weekend" by > Mary Gaitskill and you'll see what I mean. Rhonda > "Flowers for Algernon" started out as a short story; I have it somewhere in a collection (and I remember checking on this when I was researching Daniel Keyes at one point, as well). The short story still has the arc, too. I've also seen it made into a stage play -- a one-man show, and it was excellent, albeit very sad. :( Mel. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Nov 1995 09:56:37 GMT From: mel (Melanie Dymond Harper) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: narnia and aslan and religion and stuff Message-ID: <9511020956.AA05055-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk> > >And all the good women are straight, taken, dead, or fictional... I > >think Talia Winters wins as poster girl...:-) > > > >-jenneke Nonono, Susan Ivanova. :) Mel (I can waste bandwidth, too) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Nov 1995 10:09:49 +0000 (GMT) From: jc-+AT+-crosfield.co.uk (Jerry Cullingford) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Ann Maxwell list Message-ID: <9511021009.AA05949-+AT+-crosfield.co.uk> Fire dancer Dancers Luck \ Dancers Illusion / not sure of the order of these two A dead God dancing \ these three are set in a Name of a shadow } common universe, but standalones The Jaws of Menx / Timeshadow Rider - haven't seen this one yet -- _|_ / | Jerry Cullingford jc-+AT+-crosfield.co.uk (Work) \_|_ jc-+AT+-selune.demon.co.uk (Home) \__/ Hemel Hempstead, UK jerry-+AT+-shell.portal.com (alternate) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Nov 1995 07:30:46 -0500 (EST) From: Rosario Holsen-Baker To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Hallowe'en Message-ID: On Thu, 2 Nov 1995, Helen M. Wilfehrt wrote: > As it has been awhile since I've read Dune or seen the movie, I'm having > trouble remembering much more. For this concept alone Dune is an > interesting book. Don't see the movie. It was incredibly bad: long, trite, melodramatic, and silly at times. Another twist on God/desses testing followers (which actually doesn't include the God/ddess) is the Ann Maxwell book _A Dead God Dancing_. It has a small group of people who are to save a civilization on a planet by convincing them that a dancer is their God come back to save them. Hopefully, those aren't spoilers, you can read most of that on the back of the book. Anyway, the plot twists that result are interesting. |------------------------------------------------------------------------| | Tygra Nightblades | | | | File not found: _Meaning of life_ | | Abort, Retry, Ignore? | | | |------------------------------------------------------------------------| ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Nov 1995 07:38:49 -0500 (EST) From: Rosario Holsen-Baker To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: RE: *quite* off topic Message-ID: On Thu, 2 Nov 1995, erik ristuben wrote: > Regarding: > >In fact, come to think of it, if you just take the Sun and Shadow story > >exclusive of any other stuff like heralds and everything, isn't Ladyhawke > >exactly their story? > > > (with best Beavis voice and much head banging!) YEAH YEAH YEAH! Sun and > Shadow, exactly! Am I the only poor soul out there who would sell snowcones > on a roadside stand in Alaska to get my paws on a trilogy about Sun and > Shadow? Ooo ooo, good thread! > Firefly > ristuben-+AT+-webstar.net After watching Ladyhawke last night...the story may be like Sun and Shadow, but the actors look rather like Talia and Dirk!!! Phillipe...blanking on name...Matthew Broderick! could be Skif, and I'm not sure about anyone else. |------------------------------------------------------------------------| | Tygra Nightblades | | | | File not found: _Meaning of life_ | | Abort, Retry, Ignore? | | | |------------------------------------------------------------------------| ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Nov 1995 09:09:25 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine Osborne To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: narnia and aslan and religion and stuff Message-ID: On Thu, 2 Nov 1995, Gyrfalcon wrote: > > > I agree michael praed for vanyel...and my personal opinion is that all > > the good me are gay, taken, dead or fictional....vanyel is the poster boy > > for that theory... > > Hey! I resent that, I, my dear, am straight. Now dead and fictional I'm > willing to argue over a cup of hot chocolate. She said "good" men. ;) Sundancer (who apologizes, she's in a sarcastic mood today. She likes you, Gyrfalcon. You're *weird*. ;) And she agrees with jenneke about all the good women, but picks the woman who played Dax's ex-wife on Deep Space 9 last night for the poster child ;) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Nov 95 09:10:21 GMT+0000 From: Heather Mina To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: HELP! Message-ID: <9511021411.AA10662-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk> At 01:09 AM 11/2/95 GMT, you wrote: > What is going on here?! Within the past week or so, the traffic on >this list has gone from a nice, moderate amount to >"oh-my-god-I'm-being-blown-out-the-door"! What happened? > > Dave Do you *REALLY* want everyone to post an answer to this? <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> < The time has come, the walrus said > < to talk of many things, > < Of shoes and ships and sealing wax, > < of cabbages and kings, > < Of why the sea is boiling hot > < and whether pigs have wings. > < --- Lewis Carroll > <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Heather L. Mina hlmina-+AT+-vwc.edu heamin-+AT+-sunshine.vab.unisysgsg.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Nov 95 09:10:34 GMT+0000 From: Heather Mina To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: middle books Message-ID: <9511021411.AA10664-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk> At 07:12 AM 11/2/95 GMT, Colette wrote: >(Hey, can anyone name a food that can't be improved by the use of either >garlic or chocoloate? I can, but not many- like jello or kool-aid) Iced tea. Cole slaw. (Some may disagree with this one) tuna fish sandwiches. Anything from Taco Bell (except the cinnamon thingys). Onion rings. umm... there must be more... Sorry - but this made for a good brainstorm! >And was anyone kinda disapointed by the ambiguos relationship between Kori >and Eric in Summoned to Tourney? I mean, I know Eric was a bit nervous >about loving Kori AND Beth but shouldn't he have to deal with it? They >slept in the same bed, but all hints of sexual attraction between Eric and >Kori were just left out. You know, I was quite irritated by Eric and his whining by the end of StT. The story was good, and most of the characters quite likable, but Eric reminded me too much of Luke Skywalker at the beginning of Star Wars ("But Uncle, I waaaannnt tooooo..."). Maybe it's just me. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> < The time has come, the walrus said > < to talk of many things, > < Of shoes and ships and sealing wax, > < of cabbages and kings, > < Of why the sea is boiling hot > < and whether pigs have wings. > < --- Lewis Carroll > <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Heather L. Mina hlmina-+AT+-vwc.edu heamin-+AT+-sunshine.vab.unisysgsg.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Nov 95 09:10:39 GMT+0000 From: Heather Mina To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Worse sequels :-) Message-ID: <9511021411.AA10669-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk> At 10:24 AM 11/2/95 GMT, you wrote: >What about worst sequels, as well? My movie nomination has to be >Highlander 2 - the original was brilliant, the sequel was rubbish (apart >from a few bits - mostly Sean Connery's). They patched up a few tiny gaps >in the original plot by demolishing the rest of it :-(. AAARRRGGGHHHHH - and what about H-3??? >Gettiing back to some Misty content :-) What do you call a trilogy of >trilogies? (Arrows, winds, storms). One *HELL* of a good weekend wrapped up in a blanket in front of a fireplace! <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> < The time has come, the walrus said > < to talk of many things, > < Of shoes and ships and sealing wax, > < of cabbages and kings, > < Of why the sea is boiling hot > < and whether pigs have wings. > < --- Lewis Carroll > <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Heather L. Mina hlmina-+AT+-vwc.edu heamin-+AT+-sunshine.vab.unisysgsg.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Nov 95 09:10:16 GMT+0000 From: Heather Mina To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Hallowe'en Message-ID: <9511021411.AA10663-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk> At 12:05 AM 11/2/95 GMT, you wrote: >>A story idea that I've been kicking around has to do with the idea that bad >>living conditions (violence, having to struggle to survive) breed stronger >>people. So what if God intentionally created a harsh environment (over the >>foundation of religion, so that you always have something to believe in, >>even when the going gets really rough) in order to create a strong army of >>people, perhaps to battle other deities? It is by no means fleshed out, but >>is interesting to play with in my mind when it is 3 a.m. and I'm not asleep >>yet. >[snip] > >Actually, in Frank Herbert's Dune, he has created such a people who are >called the Fremen who lived in the harsh & exceedingly arid environment of >the planet Dune. These people believed that God created Dune to test the >faithful and that the people would become stronger as a result. When their >Messiah came, the Fremen would be prepared by their life on Dune and >therefore would then be able to take their rightful place in the universe. >As it has been awhile since I've read Dune or seen the movie, I'm having >trouble remembering much more. For this concept alone Dune is an >interesting book. EXACTLY! And, if you recall the moment when Paul realizes this, it is in reference to Salusa Secundus, where the Emperor has trained his Sardaukar. The Sardaukar were prison scum who had been brought up on SS to believe that they were the elite, the best of the best, while subjected to extremely strenuous living conditions and training. _Dune_ was definitely a good read. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> < The time has come, the walrus said > < to talk of many things, > < Of shoes and ships and sealing wax, > < of cabbages and kings, > < Of why the sea is boiling hot > < and whether pigs have wings. > < --- Lewis Carroll > <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Heather L. Mina hlmina-+AT+-vwc.edu heamin-+AT+-sunshine.vab.unisysgsg.com ------------------------------ End of MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 204 *********************************