MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 205 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: A new book to recommend by "Thomas, Daria" 2) Vanyel by "Aphrael" 3) Re: narnia and aslan and religion and stuff by Sunfalcon 4) Re: narnia and aslan and religion and stuff by Jennifer Broekman 5) Re: middle books by Jennifer Broekman 6) Re: Hallowe'en (fwd) by Jennifer Broekman 7) Re: Hallowe'en (fwd) by Jennifer Broekman 8) Re: Tad Williams (fwd) by Jennifer Broekman 9) Re: Narnia by Jennifer Broekman 10) Re: Hallowe'en by Rich Crawford 11) re:middle books by T Andrews 12) Of elves and men... by ajc6-+AT+-ukc.ac.uk 13) RE: Sexism by "Sanna Koulu" 14) Re: Hallowe'en by gjuka-+AT+-cnw.com (Gjuka) 15) Re: middle books by gjuka-+AT+-cnw.com (Gjuka) 16) Re: HELP! by dstorrs-+AT+-crossover.com (David K. Storrs) 17) Re: Hallowe'en by RUNDLE-+AT+-wilma.bcasd.az.honeywell.com 18) RE: book recomendations by RUNDLE-+AT+-wilma.bcasd.az.honeywell.com 19) Re: admin by T Andrews 20) RE: book recomendations by RUNDLE-+AT+-wilma.bcasd.az.honeywell.com 21) Re: Hallowe'en by CHONNI 22) Re: Narnia by CHONNI 23) Re: admin by mel (Melanie Dymond Harper) 24) Re: Hallowe'en by Ned 25) first exposure to fantasy by Heather Mina ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 02 Nov 95 08:13:00 cst From: "Thomas, Daria" To: mercedes-lackey Subject: Re: A new book to recommend Message-ID: <3098D25C-+AT+-mailsrvr.bussvc.wisc.edu> I can't remember if anyone has yet mentioned Lois McMaster Bujold. I simply adore her Miles Vorkosigan stories. I just love the way we get to see Miles think his way out of all the strange situations he gets stuck in! I'd strongly recommend any of her Barrayar books. Her villians seem to be good examples of gray villians, too--we generally see inside their heads to see that they think they have good reasons for what they do. -Daria ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Nov 1995 09:28:41 EST From: "Aphrael" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Vanyel Message-ID: OK, now this may sound a little odd (and the topic may have died by now too, but I'm going to post this anyway). I was sitting in my women in lit course last fall. It was the first day of class. Vanyel walked in. I'm not kidding. This guy was everything I'd imagined Vanyel to be. About 5'9", wiry build, beautiful features. And, get this, black, chin-length hair *streaked* with silver even though he couldn't have been more than 25! The only problem were his eyes: blue, not silver. *sigh* Close enough. Unfortunately, he graduated. Talk to y'all later- Lyn 9 days Lyn Belzer * P.O. Box 234 St. Bonaventure, NY 14778 * 716/379-3034 ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* A woman's weapon is that she thinks -- and then she acts, without hesitation. -Mercedes Lackey, "A Woman's Weapon," S&S IX ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Nov 1995 09:35:02 -0500 (EST) From: Sunfalcon To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: narnia and aslan and religion and stuff Message-ID: On Thu, 2 Nov 1995, Gyrfalcon wrote: > > Hey! I resent that, I, my dear, am straight. Very unfortunate turn of punctuation, there, Gyrfalcon. =) The Wordsmith of Irymar (who has decided to jump on the band(width) wagon as well. . . ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Nov 1995 09:51:45 -0500 (EST) From: Jennifer Broekman To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: narnia and aslan and religion and stuff Message-ID: On Thu, 2 Nov 1995, Melanie Dymond Harper wrote: > > >And all the good women are straight, taken, dead, or fictional... I > > >think Talia Winters wins as poster girl...:-) > > >-jenneke > Nonono, Susan Ivanova. :) Well, I'm much more inclined to believe that Talia was only the slightest bit bent, and she's dead, so she won on being at least three of the four... Susan, on the other hand, we've never seen the slightest bit of evidence that she's ever been attracted to a male, and she's not dead, so... -jenneke, Secretary of the Fort Weyr Susan Ivanova Fan Club jsb-+AT+-phantom.com new .sig in development ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Nov 1995 10:05:23 -0500 (EST) From: Jennifer Broekman To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: middle books Message-ID: On Thu, 2 Nov 1995, Gjuka wrote: > (Hey, can anyone name a food that can't be improved by the use of either > garlic or chocoloate? I can, but not many- like jello or kool-aid) IMO, nothing much is improved by the addition of chocolate, but that's probably because chocolate gives me allergic headaches, so once you add chocolate to something, I can't really eat it...:-) > And was anyone kinda disapointed by the ambiguos relationship between Kori > and Eric in Summoned to Tourney? I mean, I know Eric was a bit nervous > about loving Kori AND Beth but shouldn't he have to deal with it? They > slept in the same bed, but all hints of sexual attraction between Eric and > Kori were just left out. that doesn't seem like Misty so I'm wondering if > she had some other reason for doing it (like a major plot line in a future > book)? I certainly hope there IS a sequal because Knight Of Ghosts and > Shadows is my favorite Misty book(after The The Last Herald Mage of course, > which is my absolute favorite, and I have to admit Tregard may be a close > third) Speaking from experience, some guys take *years* to deal with it, so asking Eric to adjust completely in a matter of months may be asking too much. If there is a sequel, the trilogy will jump into my list of Trilogies with Better Second Books, because StT has a much more finished, well-thought-out feel than KoG&S... -jenneke jsb-+AT+-phantom.com new .sig in development ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Nov 1995 10:08:03 -0500 (EST) From: Jennifer Broekman To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Hallowe'en (fwd) Message-ID: I had some trouble with my mailer and this (and another couple) messages didn't get posted, so I'm trying again... ---------- Forwarded message ---------- On Wed, 1 Nov 1995, Rich Crawford wrote: > <*CHOMP*> > > I wonder if they ever stop to think that the timing of Christmas is not so > >coincidentially right around Yule ( and isn't Yuletide an accepted word > >used to describe that time of year? (OK< so it is a retorical question..)). > <*Crunch. Chew chew chew. Yum.*> > I might be wrong about this, but wasn't Christmas originally scheduled > around Yule in order to make it more palatable to the non-Christians of the > time? IIRC from my Religious Studies classes, most contemporary scholarship > puts Christ's birth sometime in March. > Come to think of it, I think Easter was scheduled near the Spring Solstice > for exactly the same reason. Yes, and All Saints' Day was scheduled near Samhain for the same reason, but that doesn't make Halloween a pagan holiday, nor does it make dressing in costume a pagan ritual. When Christianity adopts a ritual or a practice, it becomes Christian in that context, whether it's something they think of as positive (the kiss of peace or exchanging gifts for the birth of the sacrificed king) or something they think of as negative (dressing up to scare off the spirits of the restless dead)... -jenneke jsb-+AT+-phantom.com new .sig in development ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Nov 1995 10:08:43 -0500 (EST) From: Jennifer Broekman To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Hallowe'en (fwd) Message-ID: Another resend... ---------- Forwarded message ---------- On Tue, 31 Oct 1995, Jerry Cullingford wrote: > Looks like the standard Religious Definition effect - it's difficult to have > a dialog when people are operating from different, and mutually incompatible, > basic premises. If one set of people take the view that worship of anything > other than the Xian God must - by their definition - be devil worship, then > there's a major problem trying to convince them otherwise. On the other hand, > I'd hardly classify typical halloween activity - which presumably is what > the school was on about - as "worship", anyway :-). Extortion, or demanding > goodies with menaces, maybe... There's one flaw in this logic: Halloween (All Hallows' Eve) is a *Christian* holy day. Samhain, the Celtic pagan holy day, is around the same time, and celebrates something similar, but it's not the same holy day. (For one thing, Samhain falls on the cross-quarter day between the Fall Equinox and the Winter Solstice, which isn't always October 31st.) Complaining that their own holy day is devil worship seems to be par for the course for some branches of Christianity, though. Short memories forget that holy days used to start at sunset (including the Sabbath), and that many major holy days have an 'Eve' associated with them. Because All Saints' Day isn't a major holy day anymore, people seem to have forgotten that All Hallows' Eve is a Christian holy day. (The Day of the Dead is the day after All Saints', btw, not the day before...) Having forgotten their history, anything they don't like about a practice becomes evil and pagan, even if it originated in a Christian way to drive off evil spirits... -jenneke jsb-+AT+-phantom.com new .sig in development ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Nov 1995 10:09:24 -0500 (EST) From: Jennifer Broekman To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Tad Williams (fwd) Message-ID: Final resend... ---------- Forwarded message ---------- On Tue, 31 Oct 1995, Hollie Virgin wrote: > On Mon, 30 Oct 1995, Rich Crawford wrote: > >Did anyone else enjoy Tad Williams' series "Memory, Sorrow and Thorn" (_The > >Dragonbone Chair_, _Stone of Farewell_, and _To Green Angel Tower_)? I > >often feel like I'm the only one. I don't pick up series made up of books that are that thick unless I have a week or more of uninterrupted time to read without feeling guilty about it, so I probably won't read this series unless I'm ever on bedrest... > buying them myself. Has anyone read his non-MS&T book, _Tailchaser's > Song_? It's basically _Watership Down_ with cats, but I absolutely adored > it. (I was a cat in a former life, you see... *purrgrin*) I read it and enjoyed it. Basically, I picked it up because I'd been told that I'd like his style, and it was shorted than MS&T... As for other quthors, I like Tolkein (devoured everything, including Silmarillion), but I don't feel the urge to reread very often at all, probably because it's not mind-candy, the same way that I love Jane Austen, but I can't reread her work very often. I think I was introduced to Tolkein through some combination of my parents reading the Hobbit to me and seeing the animated movie on TV (which scared me at the time, those nasty Riders...). I read and loved the Narnia books, and they were my first introduction to literary analysis when I noticed that Aslan was supposed to stand for Christ. I love Andrew Lang's Fairy Books, but I've only ever managed to get my hands on the Green Book. I had to force myself to finish _Riddlemaster of Hed_; I found McKillip's style worse slogging than Tolkein. I like everythine I've ever read by Katherine Kurtz. I threw the Belgariad against a wall after reading a couple pages past the intro, because an author who can't describe people as being individuals, rather than examples of their race/sex just isn't worth my time. I like some Anthony and Zelazny for trash-reading, and I think _On a Pale Horse_ is one of the better conceptualizations of Death that I've seen. I love Gael Baudino, again everything I've read. I like Bradley, because she's interested in societies as characters as well as individuals, and some of her societies are really fascinating. I like McCaffrey in the same way I like good Star Trek (nice ideas, interesting society, science that drives me up the nearest tree, and many ways in which more thought could have yielded a better story). I like some, but by no means all, LeGuin. That's all I can think of at the moment... Oh, just to be complete, my favorite comics are Doonesbury, Calvin&Hobbes, and Dykes to Watch Out For.:-) -jenneke jsb-+AT+-phantom.com new .sig in development ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Nov 1995 10:45:32 -0500 (EST) From: Jennifer Broekman To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Narnia Message-ID: On Wed, 1 Nov 1995, Amy Mason wrote: > On Tue, 31 Oct 1995, Rosario Holsen-Baker wrote: > > On a more relevant note, has anyone else an opinion on Marion > > Zimmer Bradley's _Mists of Avalon_ and _Forest House_? > About Bradley's _Mists of Avalon_ and _The Forest House_.... I read > "Mists" first and thoroughy enjoyed it. It was different from all the > King Arthur/Sir Lancelot stories I've ever read. I liked Marion's use of > magic in the goddesses. About _The Forest House_ I was disappointed in > the beginning. There was hardly any fantasy to the story. It wasn't > until the later half of the story when she started using the magic of the > goddess. It took me a while to connect "forest" with "mists", because it > is titled as the "prequel" to Mists. Anybody else like to comment? Neither _The Forest House_ nor _Mists of Avalon_ is supposed to be fantasy in the sense it sounds like you're thinking of it. They're retold myths/history, which is often quite different from fantasy. They're MZB's imaginings of How It Really Happened, from the point of view that didn't get to write the legends/myths/history books, the same as _Firebrand_ (the story of the fall of Troy from the Trojan point of view) or _The Fall of Atlantis_ (from the Atlantean point of view). IMO, if you're only reading _The Forest House_ for the bits where magic is used, you're missing the best parts of the story. -jenneke jsb-+AT+-phantom.com new .sig in development ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Nov 1995 08:00:25 -0800 From: Rich Crawford To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Hallowe'en Message-ID: <199511021600.IAA00350-+AT+-franc.ucdavis.edu> At 05:49 AM 11/2/95 GMT, you wrote: > >>Paranoia is not my style. >> >>........................................................................... >>............................... >>Zhai'helleva >>Rich >> >> > > But remember: just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're NOT >out to get you. :> > > Dave > > > How can you say that? You must be working for THEM. ............................................................................ ................................ Zhai'helleva Rich ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Nov 1995 09:05:26 -0700 (MST) From: T Andrews To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: re:middle books Message-ID: Colette, About Eric (summoned to tourney): quite right, I agree with you totally (By the way Hi!) Ember ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Nov 95 16:53:37 gmt From: ajc6-+AT+-ukc.ac.uk To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Of elves and men... Message-ID: <9511021653.AA26949-+AT+-crane.ukc.ac.uk> Hiya all, I do approve of Micheal Praed for Vanyel. I am not sure who has the nicest butt, but my taste has always in been in question. I very, very much approve of Raymond Feist. Now, I have a question...men are all fine and well but what am I supposed to do??? I am only attracted to tall, slender long-haired elves, which my friends find a little worrying. Are there any out there on this list??? Does anyone know where I can get one for my very own? Someone not unlike Alinor would be more than appreciated:-) Cheers ANDROMEDA ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Nov 1995 18:53:46 EET From: "Sanna Koulu" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: RE: Sexism Message-ID: OK, this has been talked about a lot... So, a _brief_ comment (for a change): I did remember the word "survivor" and know the connotations - also the meaning that "to survive" isn't a synonym for "to suppress". These, I agree totally on. I still think the word "victim" is a valid one, OTOH, though the meaning is different. No reason to ban a word if it's still usable (I'm kind of sad about "gay", "queer" and "fairy" etc., which can't be used anymore for their original meanings... that's a loss. but I meander again...) Also, I'd like to apologize for any harsh words I've used; they weren't meant that way, but the screen doesn't carry nuances and thus mutilates the meaning of a message very easily. Shall we kiss and make up? Peace, Seanna ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Nov 1995 09:02:17 -0800 From: gjuka-+AT+-cnw.com (Gjuka) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Hallowe'en Message-ID: <9511021651.AA03301-+AT+-baker> >On Thu, 2 Nov 1995, Helen M. Wilfehrt wrote: > >> As it has been awhile since I've read Dune or seen the movie, I'm having >> trouble remembering much more. For this concept alone Dune is an >> interesting book. > Don't see the movie. It was incredibly bad: long, trite, >melodramatic, and silly at times. > I liked the movie, but I must admit it was kinda bad.It doesn't make any scence if you havn't read the book. This is partially because the original version of the film is somewhere between 9 and 16 hrs long. The tiny bit we usually see is cut to death and leaves out literally hours of good stuff that follows the book almost exactly. It is a dream of mine to someday see all of it. But I'm afraid that the way it is it doesn't explain itself very well (they had to tag on an explaination at the beginning of the backround because it was confusing so many people.) and is very jumbles and confusing. However, it's worth it just to see Paul Ma'dib(played by a very young john maclauchlan), sting, patrick stewart and others. -Colette gjuka-+AT+-cnw.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Nov 1995 09:08:01 -0800 From: gjuka-+AT+-cnw.com (Gjuka) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: middle books Message-ID: <9511021657.AA03370-+AT+-baker> >At 07:12 AM 11/2/95 GMT, Colette wrote: > >>(Hey, can anyone name a food that can't be improved by the use of either >>garlic or chocoloate? I can, but not many- like jello or kool-aid) > (Some may disagree with this one) tuna fish >sandwiches. I always put garlic in my tuna sandwiches, course I like them toasted with cheese and served w/ tomato soup too. Just another useless message to fill your box! -colette gjuka-+AT+-cnw.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Nov 1995 11:44:52 -0500 From: dstorrs-+AT+-crossover.com (David K. Storrs) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: HELP! Message-ID: <199511021644.LAA03309-+AT+-prague.crossover.com> >At 01:09 AM 11/2/95 GMT, you wrote: >> What is going on here?! Within the past week or so, the traffic on >>this list has gone from a nice, moderate amount to >>"oh-my-god-I'm-being-blown-out-the-door"! What happened? >> >> Dave >Do you *REALLY* want everyone to post an answer to this? > > ><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >< The time has come, the walrus said > >< to talk of many things, > >< Of shoes and ships and sealing wax, > >< of cabbages and kings, > >< Of why the sea is boiling hot > >< and whether pigs have wings. > >< --- Lewis Carroll > ><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >Heather L. Mina >hlmina-+AT+-vwc.edu >heamin-+AT+-sunshine.vab.unisysgsg.com > > Umm...guess not. *sheepish grin* Dave ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Nov 1995 11:22:53 -0700 (MST) From: RUNDLE-+AT+-wilma.bcasd.az.honeywell.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Hallowe'en Message-ID: <951102112253.22410e20-+AT+-wilma.bcasd.az.honeywell.com> > Yes I find this annoying, and no, I won't take your bet. I also >find it enraging that most of the bonehea...err, that is, most of mainstream >America, thinks that AD&D and SF&F are straight, downhill roads to Hell. > > Dave You mean they aren't? Darn it, now I'll have to find another road. StarWolf - whose not that big on AD&D except occasionally on the computer, but loves role-playing computer games immensely. Personally I consider them way more fun than with real people - I can play for a half hour and quit, or play for 2 straight days. Whatever I want. I don't feel that way about other gaming, I could play 10 straight games of Talisman or Tales of the Arabian Nights (an awesome game) but AD&D is definitely a solitary sport for me. SF&F on the other hand... let's just say I'm absolutely thrilled to have found you lot, since I finally get to talk about one of my top 2 favorite hobbies with a group that shares many of the same tastes with me! Yeah! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Nov 1995 11:25:52 -0700 (MST) From: RUNDLE-+AT+-wilma.bcasd.az.honeywell.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: RE: book recomendations Message-ID: <951102112552.22410e20-+AT+-wilma.bcasd.az.honeywell.com> >>of their books. I still remember finding out too much about Misty's >>attitude towards/problems with fans, and it definitely put me off >>for a little while. :( >> >>StarWolf >> >> > I may regret asking but, but... > > What attitudes/problems? > > Dave I'd rather not go into it too much. She (Misty) was and apparently is occassionally threatened by "fans". Therefore her attitude reflects strongly on this. One of the main reasons, in my understanding, that she won't go to cons. She hasn't really met many of her true fans, semi-average types who simply like her books because they are a good read. But while I can certainly understand how being threatened will mess up your attitude, I think that she has overreacted to some extent. Enough said, I hope. StarWolf ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Nov 1995 11:55:48 -0700 (MST) From: T Andrews To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: admin Message-ID: Melanie, Help! I switched over to the digest mode (for mail) to see if it made a difference in the mail messages, anyway, I've been trying to set it back using the listproc-+AT+-harper.co.uk address, but my message keeps coming back to me (as unable to deliver). Why? What am I doing wrong? There was no problem to set the digest, but I can't get it to unset! Tara ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Nov 1995 11:29:01 -0700 (MST) From: RUNDLE-+AT+-wilma.bcasd.az.honeywell.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: RE: book recomendations Message-ID: <951102112901.22410e20-+AT+-wilma.bcasd.az.honeywell.com> >> >>Well, just to let other fans know, the second book of the new series is >>out. It's called "Rise of a Merchant Prince" I think. It's more of a >>building book than an epic adventure in itself, as many second books of >>trilogies tend to be. But it's an excellent book in its own right, you >>learn what happened to some of the riftwar characters, etc. > Wait a minute -- what new series? The Serpentwar Saga, or is this a >NEW series that I haven't heard about yet (say yes, oh say yes...I >desperately want as much Feist as possible!) > Dave Nope. The second book of the Serpentwar Saga. Just to make you green, I'm going to get the chance to meet Ray! Hurray! He's going to be at Comdex in Vegas, and so will I. I'm really excited. I haven't really met very many authors. Okay, 1. Spider Robinson. Odd guy. But I'm a much bigger Feist-fan by far than a Robinson fan. I'm willing to go all the way to Vegas to meet Ray. Well, okay the free software at Comdex ain't a bad incentive either. And all that interesting new technology. StarWolf - this is gonna be fun! Just 2 weeks till Comdex. Anyone else gonna be there? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Nov 1995 11:35:56 -0800 (PST) From: CHONNI To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Hallowe'en Message-ID: On Wed, 1 Nov 1995, Ned wrote: > On Tue, 31 Oct 1995, Thomas, Daria wrote: > > You know, I find this interesting. Speaking as a Christian myself, I seem > > to > > be lucky--I was raised thinking of Halloween as All Saint's Day and a chance > > for a lot of candy. But a friend of mine who teaches in a strict Jewish > > daycare is having fits because the kids aren't allowed to even mention > > Halloween there, since "it's a Christian holiday." Why do people do these > > things to themselves--and their kids? > > In the infamous "Letters to the Editor" in the Roanoke Times, someone > tried to make a case that Halloween celebrations should be banned > because of seperation of Church and State. Her reasoning was that > Halloween is "a witch's celebration and if we have to accept that this is > a valid religion then we can't have Halloween celebrations in schools" > > > Oh yeah, well, then why do we take time off for Xmas, and Easter? I remember making xmas decorations and stuff in school as a kid; wouldn't that kind of trash that person's Church/State argument??? *********************************************************************** -Chonni Brightwolf (Katherine Moll, student) University College of the Cariboo British Columbia, CANADA ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Nov 1995 11:46:30 -0800 (PST) From: CHONNI To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Narnia Message-ID: On Wed, 1 Nov 1995, erik ristuben wrote: > I read Mists of Avalon when I was in High School and I loved it because it > was told from the so called "evil woman"'s point of view and you realize > that maybe a lot of bad guys are really just on the losing side of some > historian's imaginination. Like how history books are written differently > in every country; of course no one is going to come out and say: we went to > war, we were the bad guys, we lost because god was against us :) > Unfortunately, I don't think that MZB was able to capture the texture of > Mists in The Forest House, if that was her intention. I have read the > Firebrand and believe that this book came much closer to the pain and > anguish of my favorite MoA. Pain and suffering is great to read about, > isn't it? Just so long as it is only fantasy. :) > > > > Firefly > > ristuben-+AT+-webstar.net > > I love books that offer the "bad guy"'s point of view. One of my faves is (I think) called either the _Tales of the Cairds_ or _Book of the Cairds_. It's about strong women who actually think for themselves, set in a kind of fairytale tradition. A must for everyone who likes McKinley! If anyone is really interested, mail me and I'll run over to the library and look up the actual name and the author. *********************************************************************** -Chonni Brightwolf (Katherine Moll, student) University College of the Cariboo British Columbia, CANADA ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Nov 1995 09:50:00 GMT From: mel (Melanie Dymond Harper) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: admin Message-ID: <9511030950.AA02346-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk> > Melanie, > Help! I switched over to the digest mode (for mail) to > see if it made a difference in the mail messages, anyway, I've been > trying to set it back using the listproc-+AT+-harper.co.uk address, but my > message keeps coming back to me (as unable to deliver). Why? What am I > doing wrong? There was no problem to set the digest, but I can't get it > to unset! > Tara > Uh, that's listproc-+AT+-herald.co.uk, not listproc-+AT+-harper.co.uk. Harper is me, Herald is the company (although in actual fact we are indistinguishable, except that Herald is polite to clients while Harper goes home and beats the freezer to death with a roll of clingfilm. Ahem.) Mel. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Nov 1995 07:55:37 -0500 (EST) From: Ned To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Hallowe'en Message-ID: On Thu, 2 Nov 1995, Gjuka wrote: > I liked the movie, but I must admit it was kinda bad.It doesn't make any > scence if you havn't read the book. This is partially because the original > version of the film is somewhere between 9 and 16 hrs long. The tiny bit we > usually see is cut to death and leaves out literally hours of good stuff > that follows the book almost exactly. It is a dream of mine to someday see I haven't seen the movie in years, but it seemed to me that they managed to cover the first 1/4 of the book fairly well in the first 2 hours, and then tacked on a (relatively) quick resolution in the remaining time. So, if they went ahead and did it as a 10-12 hour mini-series, it would have been a great show. Of course, no-one would dare to do a science-fiction mini-series these days HOw many people here would rather see an uncut Dune than yet another pseudo-historical romance? Zhai'helleva Ned> Ned Adams aka S. Baldrick Cuius testiculos habes, habeas cardia et sbaldric-+AT+-roanoke.infi.net cerebellum. (540) 890-0212 (T. Pratchett) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Nov 95 08:32:39 GMT+0000 From: Heather Mina To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: first exposure to fantasy Message-ID: <9511031333.AA04947-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk> There has been a thread forming about people's first exposure to fantasy or science fiction. I must admit that my first exposure (Not counting good old "Puff the Magic Dragon") came when I had chickenpox back in the second grade. My mother went to the school library and checked out all the L. Frank Baum books they had for me. So I first cut my teeth on Oz. I read Narnia the next year, and Hobbit soon after. %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% %%% Correction does much. Encouragement does more. ----- Goethe %%% %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Heather L. Mina hlmina-+AT+-vwc.edu heamin-+AT+-sunshine.vab.unisysgsg.com ------------------------------ End of MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 205 *********************************