MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 206 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Hallowe'en by dstorrs-+AT+-crossover.com (David K. Storrs) 2) Re: Hallowe'en by gjuka-+AT+-cnw.com (Gjuka) 3) Was: Re: Hallowe'en, Now: Dune by h-wilfehrt-+AT+-nwu.edu (Helen M. Wilfehrt) 4) The goddess by h-wilfehrt-+AT+-nwu.edu (Helen M. Wilfehrt) 5) Re: Hallowe'en by Ned 6) Re: first exposure to fantasy by "Aphrael" 7) Re: first exposure to fantasy by "Aphrael" 8) Re: The goddess: Careful! Possible spoilers for Storm Rising. by Gyrfalcon 9) Re: first exposure to fantasy by Ashke 10) Re: Roanoke by LMLAFFOON-+AT+-main.rmwc.edu 11) Re: first exposure to fantasy by Ned 12) Re: Worse sequels :-) by LMLAFFOON-+AT+-main.rmwc.edu 13) Re: first exposure to fantasy by Queen of the Darned 14) First exposure to sci-fi/fantasy by Staci Schoenfeld 15) Re: The goddess by urtho-+AT+-stargazer.netshop.net (Kyle Matheson) 16) tales of the cairds by CHONNI 17) Re: first exposure to fantasy by duvall.23-+AT+-postbox.acs.ohio-state.edu (Stacy Hunt DuVall) 18) Re: First exposure to sci-fi/fantasy by Gyrfalcon 19) Re: first exposure to fantasy by gjuka-+AT+-cnw.com (Gjuka) 20) Re: Hallowe'en by gjuka-+AT+-cnw.com (Gjuka) 21) Re: first exposure to fantasy by GERKEJ-+AT+-MINNIE.HOLLINS.EDU 22) Re: The goddess by Jennifer Broekman ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 3 Nov 1995 10:00:04 -0500 From: dstorrs-+AT+-crossover.com (David K. Storrs) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Hallowe'en Message-ID: <199511031500.KAA04668-+AT+-prague.crossover.com> >> Yes I find this annoying, and no, I won't take your bet. I also >>find it enraging that most of the bonehea...err, that is, most of mainstream >>America, thinks that AD&D and SF&F are straight, downhill roads to Hell. >> >> Dave > > >You mean they aren't? Darn it, now I'll have to find another road. > >StarWolf - whose not that big on AD&D except occasionally on the computer, >but loves role-playing computer games immensely. Personally I consider >them way more fun than with real people - I can play for a half hour and >quit, or play for 2 straight days. Whatever I want. I don't feel that >way about other gaming, I could play 10 straight games of Talisman or >Tales of the Arabian Nights (an awesome game) but AD&D is definitely a >solitary sport for me. SF&F on the other hand... let's just say I'm >absolutely thrilled to have found you lot, since I finally get to talk >about one of my top 2 favorite hobbies with a group that shares many >of the same tastes with me! Yeah! > > If "Tales of the Arabian Knights" is the game that I think you are referring to, then my company designed it. Glad you enjoyed it. :> Dave ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Nov 1995 08:19:28 -0800 From: gjuka-+AT+-cnw.com (Gjuka) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Hallowe'en Message-ID: <9511031608.AA29885-+AT+-baker> >On Thu, 2 Nov 1995, Gjuka wrote: > >> I liked the movie, but I must admit it was kinda bad.It doesn't make any >> scence if you havn't read the book. This is partially because the original >> version of the film is somewhere between 9 and 16 hrs long. The tiny bit we >> usually see is cut to death and leaves out literally hours of good stuff >> that follows the book almost exactly. It is a dream of mine to someday see > >I haven't seen the movie in years, but it seemed to me that they managed >to cover the first 1/4 of the book fairly well in the first 2 hours, and >then tacked on a (relatively) quick resolution in the remaining time. >So, if they went ahead and did it as a 10-12 hour mini-series, it would >have been a great show. Of course, no-one would dare to do a >science-fiction mini-series these days HOw many people here would >rather see an uncut Dune than yet another pseudo-historical romance? > >Zhai'helleva > >Ned> No, it wasn't a mini series, just one seriously long film. Can you imagine watching it in one sitting? Of course, it might not be too bad. I've been known to watch whole Red Dwarf marathons. -Colette gjuka-+AT+-cnw.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Nov 1995 10:45:22 -0600 From: h-wilfehrt-+AT+-nwu.edu (Helen M. Wilfehrt) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Was: Re: Hallowe'en, Now: Dune Message-ID: <199511031645.AA081607122-+AT+-casbah.acns.nwu.edu> >>On Thu, 2 Nov 1995, Helen M. Wilfehrt wrote: >> >>> As it has been awhile since I've read Dune or seen the movie, I'm having >>> trouble remembering much more. For this concept alone Dune is an >>> interesting book. >> Don't see the movie. It was incredibly bad: long, trite, >>melodramatic, and silly at times. > >I liked the movie, but I must admit it was kinda bad.It doesn't make any >scence if you havn't read the book. This is partially because the original >version of the film is somewhere between 9 and 16 hrs long. The tiny bit we >usually see is cut to death and leaves out literally hours of good stuff >that follows the book almost exactly. It is a dream of mine to someday see >all of it. But I'm afraid that the way it is it doesn't explain itself very >well (they had to tag on an explaination at the beginning of the backround >because it was confusing so many people.) and is very jumbles and >confusing. However, it's worth it just to see Paul Ma'dib(played by a very >young john maclauchlan), sting, patrick stewart and others. > >-Colette > I was thinking recently that they should release the complete film on video tape - like they did with Stephen King's The Stand, a miniseries from last year here in the US. David Lynch supposedly did film every scene from the book in full. But HAD to cut it down and rework it for public consumption. I agree the released movie wasn't all that great, nor was the 3-4hour "Director's Cut with the intro read by Herbert himself", but the latter was a bit more comprehensible. I also consider it to be something like those short films that used to be shown in primary and secondary school in conjunction with class readings. Sort of like an addendum or visual aid to the book. Regarding the movie's casting, I thought that so many of the actors were perfect for the characters - as they appeared in the book. Patrick Stewart as Gurney was great - you see more of him in the Director's cut. Kyle MacLachlan was good as Paul Mua'dib Atreides - not to mention he actually was a fan of the book having read it repeatedly throughout his teens. There was a book describing how the movie was made & the various incidents they encountered while working in Mexico - from Sting losing most of his CD collection while going through Customs to explaining to Mexican Customs officials whye they had thousands of condoms imported (they were used to make up the inside of the scale model of one of the worms). What was even more amusing was to see how many of these actors showed up together in subsequent David Lynch productions as a group - eg. in Twin Peaks, some of the movies, etc. Once again off topic- Helen ************************************ Helen Wilfehrt Dept. Physiology (M211) Northwestern University Medical School 303 E. Chicago Ave Chicago, IL 60611 Voice: (312) 503-0202 FAX: (312) 503-5101 Email: h-wilfehrt-+AT+-nwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Nov 1995 11:01:02 -0600 From: h-wilfehrt-+AT+-nwu.edu (Helen M. Wilfehrt) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: The goddess Message-ID: <199511031701.AA131258062-+AT+-casbah.acns.nwu.edu> Recently, before we started going off on numerous tangents, there was an EXTENSIVE discussion on which god/s go with which peoples and whether several of the same gods are actually represented in several different religions. I recently re-read Storm Warning and something struck me which I didn't remember as being mentioned in detail. At one point, Tremaine (name?; I am referring to Ulrich's secretary whose name currently escapes me) was "looking up" from that diary written by Altra (as former Son of the Sun, or whatever the title was). He was pondering when the goddess which had previously accompanied Vkandis had left and he mentions her name, in his own language -Kal'en'al (sp?). Later An'desha is reflecting upon how the Star-Eyed had acted to save him, etc, and he also mentally mentions her name in his own language - Kal'en'al (sp?). (I don't have the book on me at the moment - but I did check the book at the time and confirmed that the spellings of the name were identical. Interesting hmm? Related to this, as I was typing this in, something else occurred to me. Remember Ulrich and Tremaine mentioned that their Goddess had been reported as leaving so long ago that the fact there had been one was beyond legend and only the scholarly priests had heard of her and of them only a few had believed in her existence. Well, in my thinking, her departure so long ago might correspond to the point where the Star-Eyed had chosen to aid the Shin'a'nin and the Tayledras following the Mage Wars. In my recollection, she wasn't worshiped by them in The Black Gryphon. Back on topic- Helen ************************************ Helen Wilfehrt Dept. Physiology (M211) Northwestern University Medical School 303 E. Chicago Ave Chicago, IL 60611 Voice: (312) 503-0202 FAX: (312) 503-5101 Email: h-wilfehrt-+AT+-nwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Nov 1995 12:14:29 -0500 (EST) From: Ned To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Hallowe'en Message-ID: On Fri, 3 Nov 1995, Gjuka wrote: > > > No, it wasn't a mini series, just one seriously long film. Can you imagine > watching it in one sitting? Of course, it might not be too bad. I've been > known to watch whole Red Dwarf marathons. > Mea Culps: I didn't make myself clear: I know that it was originally a movie, but I doubt that you can make money on a movie that was 10 hours long. If, however, they broke it up and showed it as a mini-series, how many of us would be sitting there with a couple boxes of VCR tapes? Zhai'helleva Ned > Ned Adams aka S. Baldrick Cuius testiculos habes, habeas cardia et sbaldric-+AT+-roanoke.infi.net cerebellum. (540) 890-0212 (T. Pratchett) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Nov 1995 12:58:59 EST From: "Aphrael" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: first exposure to fantasy Message-ID: <19C4CE31AE1-+AT+-pub.sbu.edu> > There has been a thread forming about people's first exposure to fantasy or > science fiction. Well, my first exposure to science fiction was when I was about 14 years old. I was at my cousin's house, I was bored, and she had the novel version of "Encounter at Farpoint" sitting there. Even though I (at the time) absolutely ABHORRED science fiction (too icky) I picked up and was hooked. My introduction to fantasy was somewhat different. I was wandering around a mall with my then-boyfriend (and so far my #1 ex). We wandered into a bookstore. I was browsing the science fiction. Well, I noticed Ned (yes, it's the same one) went up to the counter and bought something. We then left. Walking down the mall, he hands _Arrows of the Queen_ to me. "Read this," he says. The rest is hisory. :) Lyn 7 days Lyn Belzer * P.O. Box 234 St. Bonaventure, NY 14778 * 716/379-3034 ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* There is no safe investment. To love at all is to be vulnerable. Love anything, and your heart will certainly be wrong and possibly be broken. If you want to make sure of keeping it intact, you must give your heart to no one, not even an animal.... The alternative to tragedy, or at least to the risk of tragedy, is damnation. The onlyplace outside Heaven where you can be perfectly safe from all the dangers and perturbations of love is Hell. -from The Four Loves ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Nov 1995 13:00:15 EST From: "Aphrael" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: first exposure to fantasy Message-ID: <19C4CF54139-+AT+-pub.sbu.edu> > My introduction to fantasy was somewhat different. And I almost forgot: this whole incident took place in August 1993. Lyn 7 days Lyn Belzer * P.O. Box 234 St. Bonaventure, NY 14778 * 716/379-3034 ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* There is no safe investment. To love at all is to be vulnerable. Love anything, and your heart will certainly be wrong and possibly be broken. If you want to make sure of keeping it intact, you must give your heart to no one, not even an animal.... The alternative to tragedy, or at least to the risk of tragedy, is damnation. The onlyplace outside Heaven where you can be perfectly safe from all the dangers and perturbations of love is Hell. -from The Four Loves ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Nov 1995 14:25:20 -0500 (EST) From: Gyrfalcon To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: The goddess: Careful! Possible spoilers for Storm Rising. Message-ID: This may or may not have spoilers for Storm Rising... I can't remember. On Fri, 3 Nov 1995, Helen M. Wilfehrt wrote: > At one point, Tremaine (name?; I am referring to Ulrich's secretary whose > name currently escapes me) Karal. > was "looking up" from that diary written by Altra (as former Son of the > Sun, or whatever the title was). I believe it was Hassna (probally misspelled) > He was pondering when the goddess which had previously accompanied Vkandis > had left and he mentions her name, in his own language -Kal'en'al (sp?). > Later An'desha is reflecting upon how the Star-Eyed had acted to save him, > etc, and he also mentally mentions her name in his own language - > Kal'en'al (sp?). (I don't have the book on me at the moment - but I did > check the book at the time and confirmed that the spellings of the > name were identical. Interesting hmm? I believe this was remarked on by Karal that the Shin'a'in's goddess was probally the "long lost consort" of Vkandis. There are also more things that point this possibility out to the reader. Vkandis' umm control regions (I can't think of a better way of saying it) seems to be the sun, (light and goodness), While Kal'en'al's is the moon and stars (also light, but against a darkness) while she is good, she will not often take a direct hand in things. He is to put it simply, blunt. Both are in balance, for the side of "goodness". > Related to this, as I was typing this in, something else occurred to me. > Remember Ulrich and Tremaine mentioned that their Goddess had been reported > as leaving so long ago that the fact there had been one was beyond legend > and only the scholarly priests had heard of her and of them only a few had > believed in her existence. Well, in my thinking, her departure so long ago > might correspond to the point where the Star-Eyed had chosen to aid the > Shin'a'nin and the Tayledras following the Mage Wars. In my recollection, > she wasn't worshiped by them in The Black Gryphon. Actually, the Karsites "lost" their goddess-consort when the original prophet (remember Vanyel's time with them) took over the goverment/religion of Karse. That was when many of the rituals were changed to fit the uses of the corrupt priests. As for Kal'en'al in the Black Gryphon, she is worshipped by the kaled'a'in, as their major diety. Skan makes a short prayer to her: Black Gryphon pg 450: "Please, please, please, O Lady of the Kaled'a'in, make him so arrogant that he does without guards entirely! Please..." and pg 451: "And when this is over--take Kechara somewhere safe and warm and bring Urtho--and keep Amberdrake and Zhaneel happy." It is also mentioned somewhere, don't ask me where I can't remember, about a Shin'a'in god who sounds suspiciously like good old Vkandis. about .02$, --Gyrfalcon =======================msowers-+AT+-menger.eecs.stevens-tech.edu=================== Magic still exists. We have only to reach out and touch it, it is a part of the very fabric of the world. When our belief of magic completely dies this universe shall die. Because that magic; Hope, Dreams, Love, Beauty, Wonder, Belief, and Discovery are what make us a people. They are all part of a great Art whose workings are still a mystery but whose applications can be seen every day. If we ever lose the Art mankind shall not last the day. Let the magic that is in us roam free in our work, play, in each other, and most of all in ourselves. Let it roam free or it will die. ============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Nov 1995 14:46:19 -0500 (EST) From: Ashke To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: first exposure to fantasy Message-ID: > > There has been a thread forming about people's first exposure to fantasy or > > science fiction. Lessee -- I was 11 years old and thoroughly entrenched in Sweet Valley High books when my stepfather handed me Dragonflight, by Anne McCaffrey. Let's put it this way, I switched. :) -- Ashke ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Which guise shall I wear today, my dears? | The laughing mask or the one of tears? | Kh'rys -+AT+- DF Well, since my heart is blithe and gay | Namire -+AT+- HT This sober one I shall wear today. | Kalanthe -+AT+- VP -- Zula Hall | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Nov 1995 16:08:11 EST From: LMLAFFOON-+AT+-main.rmwc.edu To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Roanoke Message-ID: <5C248D1276-+AT+-main.rmwc.edu> >Date: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 22:57:41 GMT >Reply-to: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk >From: owl >To: lmlaffoon-+AT+-main.rmwc.edu >Subject: Re: Roanoke > >Ned, > >Don't even get me started about Lynchburg (VA) and Halloween! >GRRRRRR! >Owl > >"of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most" > Count this Maconite in on that one too! ) \ / ( /|\ )\_/( /|\ * / | \ (/\|/\) / | \ * |`._______________/__|__o____\`|'/___o__|__\_________________.'| | Randolph-Macon '^` \|/ '^` Woman's College | | V | | Laura Marie Laffoon | | E-mail: lmlaffoon-+AT+-main.rmwc.edu | | .__________________________________________________________. | |' l /\ / \\ \ /\ l `| * l / V )) V \ l * l/ // \I V ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Nov 1995 15:15:53 -0500 (EST) From: Ned To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: first exposure to fantasy Message-ID: On Fri, 3 Nov 1995, Aphrael wrote: > > My introduction to fantasy was somewhat different. I was wandering > around a mall with my then-boyfriend (and so far my #1 ex). We > wandered into a bookstore. I was browsing the science fiction. > Well, I noticed Ned (yes, it's the same one) went up to the counter and bought something. We > then left. Walking down the mall, he hands _Arrows of the Queen_ to > me. "Read this," he says. > > The rest is hisory. :) Yes, and I created a monster. Seriously, though: I introduced her to ML, and then she turned around and managed to pick up on more of the clues in there than I was able to Zhia'helleva ned Ned Adams aka S. Baldrick Cuius testiculos habes, habeas cardia et sbaldric-+AT+-roanoke.infi.net cerebellum. (540) 890-0212 (T. Pratchett) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Nov 1995 16:22:41 EST From: LMLAFFOON-+AT+-main.rmwc.edu To: jc-+AT+-crosfield.co.uk, mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Worse sequels :-) Message-ID: <5C61E32CF6-+AT+-main.rmwc.edu> >What about worst sequels, as well? My movie nomination has to be >Highlander 2 - the original was brilliant, the sequel was rubbish (apart >from a few bits - mostly Sean Connery's). They patched up a few tiny gaps >in the original plot by demolishing the rest of it :-(. > >Gettiing back to some Misty content :-) What do you call a trilogy of >trilogies? (Arrows, winds, storms). >-- > _|_ > / | Jerry Cullingford jc-+AT+-crosfield.co.uk (Work) > \_|_ jc-+AT+-selune.demon.co.uk (Home) >\__/ Hemel Hempstead, UK jerry-+AT+-shell.portal.com (alternate) > MOST assuredly the worst sequel in the world. As my friends R&C say, "There should have been only one." IMHO I believe that the world would have been a much worse place without the tv series. Adrian Paul, ooooooh, YUM! ) \ / ( /|\ )\_/( /|\ * / | \ (/\|/\) / | \ * |`._______________/__|__o____\`|'/___o__|__\_________________.'| | Randolph-Macon '^` \|/ '^` Woman's College | | V | | Laura Marie Laffoon | | E-mail: lmlaffoon-+AT+-main.rmwc.edu | | .__________________________________________________________. | |' l /\ / \\ \ /\ l `| * l / V )) V \ l * l/ // \I V ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Nov 1995 17:53:11 -0500 (EST) From: Queen of the Darned To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: first exposure to fantasy Message-ID: Hmmm... I think I've been reading fantasy almost as long as I could read. I remember being really little and being read "There's no such thing as a Dragon" (I can still almost remember the entire story :) And from then on, I wanted to hear more about dragons, and then I discovered Unicorns and started reading the books about that little unicorn (though I don't remember the name). I think I must have been about 5 or 6 when I first began to go for fantasy books from the library. I don't remember the exact when of reading them, but by the time I left elementary school I had already read the chronicles of narnia and the Madeline L'Engle trilogy (Wind in the Door... etc) :) I first picked up Misty sometime the summer before I startted High School (right when Magic's Pawn first came out in paperback... June 1989 ring a bell to anyone? I have the original silver cover). And then while I was waiting for Magic's Promise to come out, I read her other Velgarth books. :) As for my first exposure to Science fiction -- my mom claims that's when she used to nurse me in front of Star Trek. :) I think the first fully science fiction novel I read was Asimov's Foundation trilogy, though I don't remember an exact date. I like Sci-Fi, but still prefer fantasy. :) But those two categories top my list of what to read. Right now I'm wading my way through the Robert Jordan series of encyclopedias... er... novels. :) Wow, I do believe this is the longest post I've written yet. *phew* Sorry 'bout that! Jenny ^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^ "LIGHT THE LAMP, NOT THE RAT!" -- Rizzo the Rat, "Muppet Christmas Carol" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Nov 1995 15:14:31 -0800 From: Staci Schoenfeld To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: First exposure to sci-fi/fantasy Message-ID: <199511032314.PAA06415-+AT+-stealth.romoidoy.com> Hi all. I'm new to this list. I've been reading every post for the last few days (at least a million) and decided that an answer to the first exposure question was an easy way to introduce myself and break the ice.... SO...I think that it was C.S. Lewis' Narnia (Lion, Witch, Wardrobe) but it may have been Lloyd Alexander. In any case I was 10 and have been an avid reader ever since.... Maybe L'Engle? Nice to be on a list with so many nice sounding people! Staci ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Nov 95 15:53 PST From: urtho-+AT+-stargazer.netshop.net (Kyle Matheson) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: The goddess Message-ID: > >Related to this, as I was typing this in, something else occurred to me. >Remember Ulrich and Tremaine mentioned that their Goddess had been reported >as leaving so long ago that the fact there had been one was beyond legend >and only the scholarly priests had heard of her and of them only a few had >believed in her existence. Well, in my thinking, her departure so long ago >might correspond to the point where the Star-Eyed had chosen to aid the >Shin'a'nin and the Tayledras following the Mage Wars. In my recollection, >she wasn't worshiped by them in The Black Gryphon. > I had a discussion about this with a friend just recently and we found the time differance to be way to large. The point were karse was formed was way after the mage wars and the point the goddess left was well into established Karsite history. It would be far more likely that she was a goddess to both peoples and just left the Karsites when the first false son of sun appeared. Kyle Matheson urtho-+AT+-stargazer.netshop.net "Theirs not to make reply, Theirs not to reason why, Theirs but to do and die" Alfred, Lord Tennyson, 1854 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Nov 1995 16:08:31 -0800 (PST) From: CHONNI To: mercedes-lackey list Subject: tales of the cairds Message-ID: I found the info on the book I mentioned. _Tales of the Cairds_, by Anne Cameron, published by Harbour Publishing, 1989. ISBN 1-55017-004-X. It's a canadian book, published in B.C., so it may be hard to find. The blurb on the back says "From the story of Noah's ark to an epic train journey to Avalon, these are the mythis of the matriarchs of Celtic legends. Here are stories of the love and pain of the heroines of these mythologies, the women who have fought since the beginning of time for the land, for the environment, and for their children. Here too are traditional fairy tales and fables, but told with a difference..." The book's much better than the blurb, but you get the idea! *********************************************************************** -Chonni Brightwolf (Katherine Moll, student) University College of the Cariboo British Columbia, CANADA ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Nov 1995 19:14:41 -0500 From: duvall.23-+AT+-postbox.acs.ohio-state.edu (Stacy Hunt DuVall) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: first exposure to fantasy Message-ID: <199511040014.TAA25445-+AT+-postbox.acs.ohio-state.edu> Queen of the Darned wrote: then I discovered >Unicorns and started reading the books about that little unicorn (though >I don't remember the name). Perhaps you're thinking of Morgan, from the Serendipity books? Lets see, there was _Morgan_, Morgan and Me, and Misty Morgan, I think. Those, I think, are the best childrens books out there (the Serendipity books)---but I can't find them anywhere. All I have left is _Maui Maui_. No doubt that that was the book that led me to be an environmentalist! >I like Sci-Fi, but still prefer fantasy. :) But those two categories >top my list of what to read. Right now I'm wading my way through the >Robert Jordan series of encyclopedias... er... novels. :) Ah, yes, The Wheel of Time books are encyclopedic, but you know you love 'em :-) Stacy Hunt DuVall duvall.23-+AT+-osu.edu "What's my loftiest ambition? I've always wanted to throw an egg at an electric fan." ---? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Nov 1995 19:22:45 -0500 (EST) From: Gyrfalcon To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: First exposure to sci-fi/fantasy Message-ID: On Sat, 4 Nov 1995, Staci Schoenfeld wrote: > Nice to be on a list with so many nice sounding people! > Staci She don't know us very well, Do she? And welcome! --Gyrfalcon =======================msowers-+AT+-menger.eecs.stevens-tech.edu=================== Magic still exists. We have only to reach out and touch it, it is a part of the very fabric of the world. When our belief of magic completely dies this universe shall die. Because that magic; Hope, Dreams, Love, Beauty, Wonder, Belief, and Discovery are what make us a people. They are all part of a great Art whose workings are still a mystery but whose applications can be seen every day. If we ever lose the Art mankind shall not last the day. Let the magic that is in us roam free in our work, play, in each other, and most of all in ourselves. Let it roam free or it will die. ============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Nov 1995 17:36:10 -0800 From: gjuka-+AT+-cnw.com (Gjuka) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: first exposure to fantasy Message-ID: <9511040125.AA11516-+AT+-baker> >There has been a thread forming about people's first exposure to fantasy or >science fiction. > >I must admit that my first exposure (Not counting good old "Puff the Magic >Dragon") came when I had chickenpox back in the second grade. My mother >went to the school library and checked out all the L. Frank Baum books they >had for me. So I first cut my teeth on Oz. I read Narnia the next year, >and Hobbit soon after. >Heather L. Mina I honestly don't remember my life without fantasy or sf. My earliest memory of such is watching starblazers on tv when I was about three. I read reams of fairy tales. Fell in love with the Anime version of the Little Mermaid(with the original suicide scene)at a very young age(my family still teases me about the scene where she has to choose her life, or the life of her beloved. I was screaming "kill him!". I guess the subtleties of romantic love eluded me.) Read the Last Unicorn in first grade. Had a brief affair with mysteries, but then went back to my favorite- fantasy. Been here ever sence. -Colette gjuka-+AT+-cnw.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Nov 1995 17:40:29 -0800 From: gjuka-+AT+-cnw.com (Gjuka) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Hallowe'en Message-ID: <9511040129.AA11659-+AT+-baker> >On Fri, 3 Nov 1995, Gjuka wrote: > >> >> >> No, it wasn't a mini series, just one seriously long film. Can you imagine >> watching it in one sitting? Of course, it might not be too bad. I've been >> known to watch whole Red Dwarf marathons. >> >Mea Culps: I didn't make myself clear: I know that it was originally a >movie, but I doubt that you can make money on a movie that was 10 hours >long. If, however, they broke it up and showed it as a mini-series, how >many of us would be sitting there with a couple boxes of VCR tapes? > >Zhai'helleva > >Ned Ah, ok, my mistake. I'd be up at Costco (local warehouse store) in a flash stocking up on tape. sigh. wish they would. oh well. gjuka-+AT+-cnw.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Nov 1995 0:18:12 -0500 (EST) From: GERKEJ-+AT+-MINNIE.HOLLINS.EDU To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: first exposure to fantasy Message-ID: <951104001812.20206f9c-+AT+-MINNIE.HOLLINS.EDU> > There has been a thread forming about people's first exposure to fantasy or > science fiction. Well, let's see. My parents had been reading me fairy tales all my life and when I was 8, i read the entire book of Grimns fairy tales. I have to admit that I love all the Serindipity books. I have to admit though that it was my 7th grade english class that got me hooked on science fiction/fantesy. We had to read _Dragon Hold(??)_ by Mccaffrey and I haven't looked back since. :) Jennie gerkej-+AT+-minnie.hollins.edu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Nov 1995 19:23:30 -0500 (EST) From: Jennifer Broekman To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: The goddess Message-ID: On Sat, 4 Nov 1995, Kyle Matheson quoted someone: > >might correspond to the point where the Star-Eyed had chosen to aid the > >Shin'a'nin and the Tayledras following the Mage Wars. In my recollection, > >she wasn't worshiped by them in The Black Gryphon. This is incorrect. She was worshipped by the Kaled'a'in even then. We just don't see things from the perspective of any particularly religious Kaled'a'in in the Mage Wars series. There are references to her and to shaman, however. -jenneke jsb-+AT+-phantom.com new .sig in development ------------------------------ End of MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 206 *********************************