MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 207 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) first exposure to fantasy by Hollie Virgin 2) RE: middle books by Mikkel Larsen 3) Sci-fi and Fantasy by Ilta Tuulia Adler 4) Re: middle books by Adrienne York 5) Re: middle books by Adrienne York 6) Why *did* she do that anyway? by Adrienne York 7) Re: middle books by Erica Neely 8) Re: Why *did* she do that anyway? by gjuka-+AT+-cnw.com (Gjuka) 9) Food by urtho-+AT+-stargazer.netshop.net (Kyle Matheson) 10) Re: SEXISM by Lisa Ellen Watermelon Waltz 11) Re: Tad Williams by Lisa Ellen Watermelon Waltz 12) Re: Tad Williams by Lisa Ellen Watermelon Waltz 13) Re: Tad Williams by Lisa Ellen Watermelon Waltz 14) Re: middle books by Stephanie Wukovitz 15) Re: First exposure to fantasy by MIKE278485-+AT+-aol.com 16) Re: from Science Fiction to Fantasy by Vivian Choh 17) RE: from Science Fiction to Fantasy by Todd Fox 18) wyvern returns... by SMHA86B-+AT+-prodigy.com (MISS MARIA T FOGEL) 19) Re: from Science Fiction to Fantasy by ristuben-+AT+-webstar.net (erik ristuben) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 4 Nov 1995 13:32:40 -0500 (EST) From: Hollie Virgin To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: first exposure to fantasy Message-ID: <199511041832.NAA00644-+AT+-service1.cc.uky.edu> I'm nineteen years old. That's what got me hooked. *grin* That was rather obscure. Let me try again... I was born in 1976, which just happens to be the Chinese Year of the Dragon. I think I was told about the Chinese zodiac at the beginning of my first grade year (my family moved in the middle of that school year, and it was before we moved). After that you couldn't get me away from dragons. I read anything and everything about them that I could get my hands on. They're still, by far, my favourite mythical creatures (although gryphons have to be my second choice!) A friend of mine (who really ought to be joining this list, since she was reading over my shoulder when she visited last weekend and said she liked it a lot) told me about this incredible new author she'd stumbled across in a used bookstore, and proceeded to describe most of _Arrows of the Queen_ to me. I didn't actually read it until a few months later, when she brought it along to one of those horrendously geeky math contests we were always being dragged to in high school...*grin* I'd brought a book, but finished it, and she threw _Arrows_ at me and ordered me to read it. And the rest...as they say...is history. Sci-fi I'm not too sure about...I think the dragons led me to that too, actually, since McCaffrey's stuff is much more sci-fi than fantasy, and after reading all the Pern stuff I turned to the Killashandra series. An ex-boyfriend of mine got me into Star Trek only the year before last, and I'm still hooked. But I like fantasy much much more than sci-fi. Hollie Virgin ehvirg00-+AT+-pop.uky.edu "She will remember your heart when men are fairytales in books written by rabbits." -The Last Unicorn ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Nov 1995 20:25:52 +-100 From: Mikkel Larsen To: "'mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk'" Subject: RE: middle books Message-ID: <01BAAAF2.3B5147A0-+AT+-cphppp119.cybernet.dk> ------ =_NextPart_000_01BAAAF2.3B69B1A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit How about The Kif Strikes Back by C J Cherryh? 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What can you do with such ignorance. Ilta -------------------------------------------------------------- Lighting designer. Night is not BLUE, it's a Yellow Green -------------------------------------------------------------- http://pages.nyu.edu/~adleri ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Nov 1995 14:53:46 -0500 (EST) From: Adrienne York To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: middle books Message-ID: On Thu, 2 Nov 1995, Gjuka wrote: > (Hey, can anyone name a food that can't be improved by the use of either > garlic or chocoloate? I can, but not many- like jello or kool-aid) There's nothing I can think of. And are you sure you couldn't improve jello with chocolate cool whip? > > And was anyone kinda disapointed by the ambiguos relationship between Kori > and Eric in Summoned to Tourney? I mean, I know Eric was a bit nervous > about loving Kori AND Beth but shouldn't he have to deal with it? They > slept in the same bed, but all hints of sexual attraction between Eric and > Kori were just left out. You mean, we're going to discuss Misty again???????? Sorry, but we've been further, and further, and further, and further off topic. So it's kind of fun to discuss something related to a specific book again. Oh, yeah. Collette's question. I think you're right. Although, at the time, I thought, "Well, they are kind of busy. I mean, they think San Francisco is about to be blown to bits. Kory and Beth were kidnapped, with Beth being rescued in evil shape. Eric thinks he's evil, he knows he did something wrong. Is this really a romantic setting? Would you want to fool around under these circumstances? Not particularly." So I wasn't too surprised that we didn't see a lot of romance. But i definitely want a sequel. ;];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];] ;] Adrienne York-Minor ;] ;] "There is no 'One, True Way'" Valdemaran Law Codes ;] ;] ayork-+AT+-simons-rock.edu ;] ;];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Nov 1995 15:05:17 -0500 (EST) From: Adrienne York To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: middle books Message-ID: On Thu, 2 Nov 1995, Heather Mina wrote: > At 07:12 AM 11/2/95 GMT, Colette wrote: > > >(Hey, can anyone name a food that can't be improved by the use of either > >garlic or chocoloate? I can, but not many- like jello or kool-aid) > Iced tea. Cole slaw. (Some may disagree with this one) tuna fish > sandwiches. Anything from Taco Bell (except the cinnamon thingys). Onion > rings. umm... there must be more... > Sorry - but this made for a good brainstorm! > Nononononononononono, Heather. I have never tried it, but I'm sure you could put chocolate on iced tea. (Just as soon as I figure out what form of chocolate to put on the iced tea. Maybe Quik. Cole Slaw can take garlic. Anything vaguely resembling cole slaw can use garlic. Tuna fish is improved with garlic, onion, mayonaise, mustard, pickle relish (sweet, not dill), and a little honey. And lemon juice. Anything from Taco Bell needs all the help it can get. And besides, didn't Collete restrict this list to food? And since when have onion and garlic not gone together? Garlic and onion rings are a natural mixture. Actually, I am a die-hard garlic and chocolate fan. I admit that perhaps chocolate on iced tea and garlic on cole slaw wouldn't be an improvement. But I stand by the rest of my statement. Unreservedly. ;];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];] ;] Adrienne York-Minor ;] ;] "There is no 'One, True Way'" Valdemaran Law Codes ;] ;] ayork-+AT+-simons-rock.edu ;] ;];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Nov 1995 15:57:44 -0500 (EST) From: Adrienne York To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Why *did* she do that anyway? Message-ID: On Sat, 4 Nov 1995, Gjuka wrote: > of fairy tales. Fell in love with the Anime version of the Little > Mermaid(with the original suicide scene)at a very young age(my family still > teases me about the scene where she has to choose her life, or the life of > her beloved. I was screaming "kill him!". I guess the subtleties of > romantic love eluded me.) Read the Last Unicorn in first grade. Had a brief You know, the Little Mermaid's always bothered me? Why didn't she kill him? How could she still be in love? Why did she fall in love in the first place? What was her problem? What was his problem? This book made the least sense of any fairy tale I can think of off the top of my head. Can anyone else think of any other fairy tales where the intelligent thing to do wasn't done and resulted in the death of the protagonist in a fairy tale? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Nov 1995 23:21:41 +0000 (GMT) From: Erica Neely To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: middle books Message-ID: On Sat, 4 Nov 1995, Adrienne York wrote: > Actually, I am a die-hard garlic and chocolate fan. I admit that perhaps Yes, but do you like garlic and chocolate together? Blessed be, Erica ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Nov 1995 16:51:44 -0800 From: gjuka-+AT+-cnw.com (Gjuka) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Why *did* she do that anyway? Message-ID: <9511050041.AA29537-+AT+-baker> > >You know, the Little Mermaid's always bothered me? Why didn't she kill >him? How could she still be in love? Why did she fall in love in the >first place? What was her problem? What was his problem? This book >made the least sense of any fairy tale I can think of off the top of my head. > >Can anyone else think of any other fairy tales where the intelligent >thing to do wasn't done and resulted in the death of the protagonist in a >fairy tale? Not exactly, but I will tell you one of my least favorite fairy tales of all time. The Blue Light. A soldier steals the light from a witch who gives him work. Rather like aladin's lamp, there is a spirit in it that grants wishes. He goes to a town where he makes the mayors daughter clean his house and boots every night and makes her think she's sleeping. Eventually he ends up ruling the town and married to the daughter. Now, I'm the last person to say that fairy tales have good morals, but this is by far the worst example I've ever seen. I didn't even like it when I was little. There are others that are closer to your theme, but I can't remember any right now. I think I remember more stuff like that in non- western fairy tales. We tend not to kill off main charecters in fairy tales. However, King Arther might count. -Colette gjuka-+AT+-cnw.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Nov 95 16:58 PST From: urtho-+AT+-stargazer.netshop.net (Kyle Matheson) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Food Message-ID: >On Sat, 4 Nov 1995, Adrienne York wrote: > > > >> Actually, I am a die-hard garlic and chocolate fan. I admit that perhaps > >Yes, but do you like garlic and chocolate together? > >Blessed be, > >Erica > > Anything two foods can be put together if you find the right combinations. Amberdrake. "The Path to man's heart is through his stomach." A wise fat man. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Nov 1995 18:17:56 -0700 (MDT) From: Lisa Ellen Watermelon Waltz To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: SEXISM Message-ID: Has anyone else noticed, to get back on topic, that Trent Reznor looks alot like Jody Lee's illustration of Vanyel? Zoe Guin {(*j*)} kitty-+AT+-unm.edu The computer is mightier than the pen, the sword, and usually, the programmer. -Jennifer Nolan Suika no hmpg ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Nov 1995 18:47:55 -0700 (MDT) From: Lisa Ellen Watermelon Waltz To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Tad Williams Message-ID: On Tue, 31 Oct 1995, William Jones wrote: > You wrote: > > > >On Mon, 30 Oct 1995, Rich Crawford wrote: > > > >>Did anyone else enjoy Tad Williams' series "Memory, Sorrow and Thorn" > (_The > >>Dragonbone Chair_, _Stone of Farewell_, and _To Green Angel Tower_)? > I > >>often feel like I'm the only one. > > > >I liked them once I managed to get into them. _Stone of Farewell_ is > the > >one I remember liking best, surprisingly enough...the middle books of > >trilogies never seem to be quite as good as the other two... (LHM, for > >example, but that's just MHO...) It took me forever to plow through > >_Dragonbone Chair,_ and then kind of abandoned the series for a while > >because nobody I knew had the second and third books, and I didn't > feel like > >buying them myself. > > I've read the entire Memory, Sorrow, and Thorn trilogy twice... It > took me twice before I managed to get all the subplots straight... I > really liked them once I got into them, but getting into them was a > little slow.... Of course for anyone who managed to get through the > first 10 chapters of The Witching Hour by Anne Rice it should be no big > deal! BTW: I resent that remark about Magic's Promise! I happen to be > in that book! I lurved all three of Vanyel's stories... If I > didn't already know the ending (and fear that a new one would kill some > of the magic in those books, and I don't mean magecraft) I'd almost > wish she'd go back and fill in the blanks... > > - Shadow-Lover > > Who knows all, and just isn't telling... > Must admit that all those blanks are nagging at me, too. Magics Promise was the one reason I read on. I was so depressed after Pawn that Promise was a very good escape root. No one profoundly depressing died in that one (except Jays) and I was able to convince myself that Vanyel did have a life still worth living out there. If not for Promise I would have probably never known about Stefen at all. However, Promise did exist and I did read and love it, and while I must admit it was a bit different from the others, I also nearly killed my brother for not being able to find them after it. Zoe Guin {(*j*)} kitty-+AT+-unm.edu The computer is mightier than the pen, the sword, and usually, the programmer. -Jennifer Nolan Suika no hmpg ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Nov 1995 19:05:16 -0700 (MDT) From: Lisa Ellen Watermelon Waltz To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Tad Williams Message-ID: On Tue, 31 Oct 1995, Jellicle Cats Come Out Tonight! wrote: >> (I was a cat in a former life, you see... *purrgrin*) > > I adore Tailchaser's Song. It is a lot like Watership Down, but the mysticism > takes a different slant. They are both excellent reads, however. > > nre'fa-o > Amy, long-time lurker > Well I always thought my name was not the right name for me and for years I sought my own true name and when I regressed as I all to often do (or was that digress) I discovered that my name was Kitty or did I just make that up. Any way I loved Tailchasers Song and I love all the members of the small pride who have agreed to live with me. All of them truly charming folks who know their true name but come to kitty kitty kitty anyway. Have you ever noticed that they caress with thier tails. kitty-+AT+-unm.edu The computer is mightier than the pen, the sword, and usually, the programmer. -Jennifer Nolan Suika no hmpg ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Nov 1995 19:46:04 -0700 (MDT) From: Lisa Ellen Watermelon Waltz To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Tad Williams Message-ID: On Tue, 31 Oct 1995, Melanie Dymond Harper wrote: > > Has anyone read his non-MS&T book, _Tailchaser's > > Song_? It's basically _Watership Down_ with cats, but I absolutely adored > > it. (I was a cat in a former life, you see... *purrgrin*) > > I started Tailchaser's Song, but haven't finished it yet; from that part of > it which I have read so far, I think it's suffering from reading it too close > to _Felidae_ and _Felidae On The Road_ (cat-related mystery books, which I > recommend to any of you who like cats). I think I preferred _Watership Down_, > too. I don't know, it sounded like such a good book, I've had loads of > recommendations for it, but it's just not catching me at the moment. > > Mel. > You _liked_ Watership Down?! I have to read Tailchaser's Song now and I certainly hope it doesn't drag so badly as WD. I did like the ending of WD but I almost felt that reading the thing over that long of a period of time really wasn't worth it. However, I was in sixth grade and it was an assignment. That somehow makes all the difference between a good book, and a boring book. I never enjoy disecting literature. kitty-+AT+-unm.edu The computer is mightier than the pen, the sword, and usually, the programmer. -Jennifer Nolan Suika no hmpg ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Nov 1995 19:01:28 -0800 From: Stephanie Wukovitz To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk, steph-+AT+-newton.mbi.ucla.edu Subject: Re: middle books Message-ID: <9511050301.AA13733-+AT+-newton.mbi.ucla.edu> Chocolate-covered garlic is good...I'm not kidding. You have to parboil the garlic first though, so it isn't quite as sharp. (The best part is that one clove does the trick for a chocolate craving...I'm diabetic and it's really not in my best interest to pig out) -tephanie whose 's' key sometimes goes on trike :-) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Nov 1995 00:18:18 -0500 From: MIKE278485-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: First exposure to fantasy Message-ID: <951105001817_98231962-+AT+-mail04.mail.aol.com> > There has been a thread forming about people's first exposure to fantasy or > science fiction. Well, my dad handed me _The Star Beast_ by Heinlein at age 10 and I quickly devoured it and all others by him, Andre Norton, and others in his extensive collection. I got started on fantasy by reading the Narnia books and then went on to Tolkein. I later repaid him by introducing him to Misty's books and now we trade the new books back and forth depending on who breaks down and buys the hardcover first. The other one buys the paperback when it comes out so both collections are complete. I still like to brouse through his books for all of the older stuff, but much of them are now being rereleased so I can add them to my collection. >From Mike who has been lurking in the background watching all for several months and now has come out from his shell.(Big Brother is Watching!) Michael Weber MIKE278485-+AT+-aol.com "Never try to outstubborn a cat" -Lazarus Long(R.A.Heinlein) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Nov 1995 02:30:07 -0500 (EST) From: Vivian Choh To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: from Science Fiction to Fantasy Message-ID: On Tue, 31 Oct 1995, Saverte wrote: > I find it fascinating, the talk about people reading Science Fiction and/or > Fantasy, and how they got there. For me, I primarily read mysteries, till > my Freshman year in high school. I must admit, that I dead read Stranger I, too, started out with mysteries (and I do still read them). We, my sister and I, liked the Agatha Christies (we've read ALL of them but for 3 - HA! beat that! And if anyone does, I'm complaining/you cheated because we couldn't FIND the books that we've missed :) ). Anyways, as a youngster, I read children's books, which of course, contained children's fantasy (Chronicles of Narnia, Wind of the Willows, stuff like that and you all know by now, of the aborted attempt of the Hobbit). What hooked me to SF was Hal Clement's "the Eye of the Needle". I then started to read a lot of sci-fi but then read Lloyd Alexander's "Prydain Chronicles" (which I recently re-read - You know, they were less kiddie-ish than I remembered and infinitely better than the Disney version of the Black Cauldron), which "re-opened" my eyes to fantasy. I am now more entrenched in the fantasies (although I will still pick up sci-fi every once in awhile). I find the way people have "discovered" SFF to be quite interesting. A great many of the list members seem to have been prompted or encouraged by a parental unit :). My parents never read to me, nor ever encouraged me (or my sister) to read...and no, this is not a bitter sob story...I'm just curious as to how many of us discovered SFF on our own (without our parent's help) - Surely I'm not the only one... The other thing that's suprised me by all the suggested books, is that there doesn't seem to be an author out there that only one person has read. For each author, there has been at least one other person "second"ing the recommendation. (Or have I just missed it?). I guess I shouldn't be surprised; after all we are all Misty fans, so there must be something about her work that is basic to all the novels that we've read... Here, I'll prove it to you. Did anyone like O.R. Melling's Druid story and what was the author's name who wrote a trilogy that started (?) with "Damiano's Lute"? These questions are not rhetorical BTW. I really HAVE forgotten...R.A. something? Also, there was a book called something like "Songmaster" written by (or about a character called) Anastole or something like that? Can anyone refresh my memory? Did you like it? Vivian Choh bi189-+AT+-torfree.net v.choh-+AT+-utoronto.ca "I am all that I claim to be. I simply have not claimed all that I am." - M. Lackey, "Oathbreakers" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Nov 1995 00:59:22 -0700 From: Todd Fox To: "'mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk'" Subject: RE: from Science Fiction to Fantasy Message-ID: <01BAAB19.F3D0F600-+AT+-dialup18.tesser.com> ------ =_NextPart_000_01BAAB19.F3DA1DC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Here, I'll prove it to you. Did anyone like O.R. Melling's Druid story and what was the author's name who wrote a trilogy that started = (?) with "Damiano's Lute"? These questions are not rhetorical BTW. I = really HAVE forgotten...R.A. something? Also, there was a book called = something like "Songmaster" written by (or about a character called) Anastole or something like that? Can anyone refresh my memory? Did you like it? Vivian Choh bi189-+AT+-torfree.net v.choh-+AT+-utoronto.ca=20 You are probably thinking of R.A. McVoy (sp?) Who also wrote Tea with = the Black Dragon, Twisting the Rope, and some irish horse story that I = can't remember the title of. :> Todd Fox(Tfox-+AT+-tesser.com) ------ =_NextPart_000_01BAAB19.F3DA1DC0 Content-Type: application/ms-tnef Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 eJ8+IhkHAQaQCAAEAAAAAAABAAEAAQeQBgAIAAAA5AQAAAAAAADoAAENgAQAAgAAAAIAAgABBJAG AGwBAAABAAAADAAAAAMAADADAAAACwAPDgAAAAACAf8PAQAAAGUAAAAAAAAAgSsfpL6jEBmdbgDd AQ9UAgAAAABtZXJjZWRlcy1sYWNrZXlAdmFueWVsLmhlcmFsZC5jby51awBTTVRQAG1lcmNlZGVz LWxhY2tleUB2YW55ZWwuaGVyYWxkLmNvLnVrAAAAAB4AAjABAAAABQAAAFNNVFAAAAAAHgADMAEA AAAkAAAAbWVyY2VkZXMtbGFja2V5QHZhbnllbC5oZXJhbGQuY28udWsAAwAVDAEAAAADAP4PBgAA AB4AATABAAAAJgAAACdtZXJjZWRlcy1sYWNrZXlAdmFueWVsLmhlcmFsZC5jby51aycAAAACAQsw AQAAACkAAABTTVRQOk1FUkNFREVTLUxBQ0tFWUBWQU5ZRUwuSEVSQUxELkNPLlVLAAAAAAMAADkA AAAACwBAOgEAAAACAfYPAQAAAAQAAAAAAAADgU8BCIAHABgAAABJUE0uTWljcm9zb2Z0IE1haWwu Tm90ZQAxCAEEgAEAJAAAAFJFOiBmcm9tIFNjaWVuY2UgRmljdGlvbiB0byBGYW50YXN5AGQMAQWA AwAOAAAAywcLAAUAAAA7ABYAAAAzAQEggAMADgAAAMsHCwAFAAAAOAAyAAAATAEBCYABACEAAAAw QUNEN0YxNDBDMTdDRjExQTBENzQ0NDU1MzU0MDAwMADuBgEDkAYAnAQAABIAAAALACMAAQAAAAMA JgAAAAAACwApAAAAAAADADYAAAAAAEAAOQAgf+2dVKu6AR4AcAABAAAAJAAAAFJFOiBmcm9tIFNj aWVuY2UgRmljdGlvbiB0byBGYW50YXN5AAIBcQABAAAAFgAAAAG6q1Sd7RR/zQsXDBHPoNdERVNU AAAAAB4AHgwBAAAABQAAAFNNVFAAAAAAHgAfDAEAAAAQAAAAdGZveEB0ZXNzZXIuY29tAAMABhBV gjG5AwAHECsCAAAeAAgQAQAAAGUAAAA8TUFKT1JTTklQUEFHRUhFUkUsSUxMUFJPVkVJVFRPWU9V RElEQU5ZT05FTElLRU9STUVMTElOR1NEUlVJRFNUT1JZQU5EV0hBVFdBU1RIRUFVVEhPUlNOQU1F V0hPV1JPVEVBAAAAAAIBCRABAAAAHAMAABgDAACOBAAATFpGdZZD3///AAoBDwIVAqgF6wKDAFAC 8gkCAGNoCsBzZXQyNwYABsMCgzIDxQIAcHJCcRHic3RlbQKDM3cC5AcTAoB9CoAIzwnZO/EWDzI1 NQKACoENsQtg4G5nMTAzFFALChRRpQvyYwBAIDwAwGoFsYpzAwBwCrBnZT4Ki3BsaTM2DfAZ3BNQ b00T0GMFQQGRIEgEkGVgLCBJJ2wDIB4BdghlIGkFQHRvIHkBCGAuICBEaWQgWwBwIEBuH8AcwGsf wE9kLlIgcE1lH1ALgGfiJwQgRHJ1ILAKhRPAbQWweSDRIMB3EYAFQHeSYQQgdGgfwGF1JIBzBbAi YW5hB4Aj4SAgd98eEiDQIAAFEBWgZyOQJIAfJBETwArAE9AgwCg/KccKhQPwJIAgIkQlYAcwFG5v ImFMJNBlIj/NIIBUJJARsCBxClATwH5pAiAEIArAH8ApAAVAchMkkCNhaWMHQCBCVCpXIHFJK0Bl B0BseUEKhUhBVkUgAhByZmceIBPQbi4uMCHAQW0gcHMDcBHAaCIxKaFB/mwusB8QJIEq4SRCJkAG 4OhvayArwWwngS63CoVpIVMiUwIgZwDAE8FyviIl0R/gLgEwgCOQKAWx/wGgCGAFQCZAEXIA0DMh MNXeKRSwJVAjUTEQIAWwIubvLsYhRCbiKaFDA5Eg5RYQ9wNQB5AogG0jkAeABGAjgN8poSCiIEEh RB/gPwqFCoW4Vml2KOE4cCTwaB6DwGJpMTg5QCNhOVGUZS4hIHQeg3YuEXDdPOBAJNAFsAIhbz7A JkBzO3wZzCBZOsEqwx4BYi8BoCzAJHELgGs3gm9mQwfwLnJNY1ZvNAFz8nAnwCBXJbEHQC6wJdWu VCyQKEQkgkILYGMwwO8ikBuwAiAfEFQD8SpwN5H7JIIIAHAfASOyLrIf0AUQfzmBJPEqASNUJuMs YCvAbu4nKzET4BPgYjVRJIIqcGp0NmJmIHA6G+YKhVSDBHAgwEZveChUAhDueD2gB5ARsHI+wANw J9b/HR8eJDt8UU8cL0+PUJkVMQIAVdADABAQAAAAAAMAERAAAAAAQAAHMODpgUNUq7oBQAAIMODp gUNUq7oBHgA9AAEAAAAFAAAAUkU6IAAAAABVUQ== ------ =_NextPart_000_01BAAB19.F3DA1DC0-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 05 Nov 1995 03:04:22 EST From: SMHA86B-+AT+-prodigy.com (MISS MARIA T FOGEL) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: wyvern returns... Message-ID: <013.04190717.SMHA86B-+AT+-prodigy.com> Heyla, all... I'm finally back!!! My apologies for being off, but it wasn't my fault. My comp crashed, and it took 2 months to get it back... if I sound... flat, it's cuz I'm tired. I just scanned over 400 hundered e's and have 400 more to go. I just wanted to comment that in Oathbreakers the Star- Eyed says to the Companion something about belonging to 'her other self' anyone have the exact quote? Anyone care to speculate about what it means? wyvern the very tired and mentally missing... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Nov 95 09:36 CST From: ristuben-+AT+-webstar.net (erik ristuben) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: from Science Fiction to Fantasy Message-ID: > > Here, I'll prove it to you. Did anyone like O.R. Melling's Druid >story and what was the author's name who wrote a trilogy that started (?) >with "Damiano's Lute"? These questions are not rhetorical BTW. I really >HAVE forgotten...R.A. something? Also, there was a book called something >like "Songmaster" written by (or about a character called) Anastole or >something like that? Can anyone refresh my memory? Did you like it? > A Trio For Lute was written by R. A. MacAvoy and includes Damiano, Damiano's Lute and Raphael. Songmaster is a novel written by Orson Scott Card and the main character is named Ansset. Songmaster is one of my favorite Orson Scott Card stand-alone novels. C'mon, c'mon, ask another! I love SFF trivia! Happy grins! Firefly ristuben-+AT+-webstar.net ------------------------------ End of MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 207 *********************************