MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 237 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Blue Eyes by Amy Mason 2) Re: Blue Eyes by Amy Mason 3) Re: Van's Bardic Gift by Mat Timmerman 4) Re: Bio by Mat Timmerman 5) Re: Excessive subjection to Disney makes one ill? by CODIORNE-+AT+-WELLESLEY.EDU 6) Re: Romance novels.... by Adrienne York 7) Re: bardic gift by Adrienne York 8) Re: Chemistry People by Wendy Howell 9) Disney Movies by duvall.23-+AT+-postbox.acs.ohio-state.edu (Stacy Hunt DuVall) 10) Re: bardic gift by CHONNI 11) Re: thread editing by Julie Vaux 12) Re: Chemistry People by h-wilfehrt-+AT+-nwu.edu (Helen M. Wilfehrt) 13) Re: Excessive subjection to Disney makes one ill? by SariKr-+AT+-aol.com 14) Re:Chanur by Lisa Ellen Watermelon Waltz 15) Re: Romance Plea For Help by Lisa Ellen Watermelon Waltz 16) Re: first exposure to sci-fi/fantasy by Lisa Ellen Watermelon Waltz 17) Re: Innocence... by Karieva-+AT+-aol.com 18) Re: Excessive subjection to Disney by Lisa Ellen Watermelon Waltz 19) Re: Blue Eyes by Mr CM George 20) Internet cookie recipe by "Scarlett E. Blizzard" 21) Re: Companions and mindspeech by "Sanna Koulu" 22) ADMIN: forwarding messages to the list (was Re: Internet cookie recipe) by mel (Melanie Dymond Harper) 23) re:bios by SMHA86B-+AT+-prodigy.com (MISS MARIA T FOGEL) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 13:05:57 -0800 (PST) From: Amy Mason To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Blue Eyes Message-ID: On Wed, 15 Nov 1995 Karieva-+AT+-aol.com wrote: > >> Just another thought, who here has seen Aladin? And who here has > >>been subjected to it 5 times in one year? And who here just got out of a > >>class full of 7 graders, who were Jasmine for Halloween? > >> Zoe Guin {(*j*)} > > Only 5 times?? Remember I have a 5 and 8 year old AND their grandmother > **gave** them the video -- (Reason to disown all grandmothers...) > I've seen it so often I know most of the dialogue and all of the songs by > heart!! And they still want to watch it again!! (Along with all the other > Disney movies...) > > HELP!!! I'm going insane!!! > > ::::hold it a miniute - I already AM insane:::: > :::slipping quietly back into the woodwork > and asking an attendant for additional > medication...::: > > Karieva-+AT+-aol I'm sorry, but I'm going to have to say that after myself watching it a million times, I would watch it again, including _The Little Mermaid_, and _The Lion King_. I am an avid Disney fanatic and have enjoyed every animated movie they have put out. (You should see my Disney movie collection) Though, I agree with some people that _Pocahontas_ wasn't as good. I felt like Disney was trying to be too politically correct and missing out on the actual plot of the story. Does anyone fell this way also, or am I the only one above the age of 14 that throughly enjoys Disney? Amy :) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 13:08:40 -0800 (PST) From: Amy Mason To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Blue Eyes Message-ID: On Thu, 16 Nov 1995, Alison Schiff wrote: > On Wed, 15 Nov 1995 Karieva-+AT+-aol.com wrote: > > > >> Just another thought, who here has seen Aladin? And who here has > > >>been subjected to it 5 times in one year? And who here just got out of a > > >>class full of 7 graders, who were Jasmine for Halloween? > > >> Zoe Guin {(*j*)} > > > > Only 5 times?? Remember I have a 5 and 8 year old AND their grandmother > > **gave** them the video -- (Reason to disown all grandmothers...) > > I've seen it so often I know most of the dialogue and all of the songs by > > heart!! And they still want to watch it again!! (Along with all the other > > Disney movies...) > > > > HELP!!! I'm going insane!!! > > > > ::::hold it a miniute - I already AM insane:::: > > :::slipping quietly back into the woodwork > > and asking an attendant for additional > > medication...::: > > > > Karieva-+AT+-aol > > > If you want to hear about repitition...When one of my friends needed a > place to stay and my dad was nice enough to let him use our couch for a > while, we watched "The Last Unicorn" and "The Neverending Story" _every_ > night for over a month and a half. Sometimes twice! > Really, I am Not exagerating. > > Alison Schiff (age 19) > schiff-+AT+-trenton.edu ARRGGHHH!!! Again, I must be the only person on this list who likes any of these types of movies. I also own _The Last Unicorn_ and love _The Neverending Story_, now I have to admit watching them every weekend for over a month in a half can get a little trying. But, I remember quite fondly of watching _Jurassic Park_ for as much as that, or even more! Amy :) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 16:13:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Mat Timmerman To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Van's Bardic Gift Message-ID: <01HXPTIW89J694EL2L-+AT+-vaxc.hofstra.edu> From: Adrienne York > > >And may I ask why everyone seems so convinced that just because we don't >see him use the Bardic again that it must have disappeared? When do we >see Van use his Fire-Starting afterwards? Why hasn't anyone questioned >that. I think that he uses Firestarting in Macig's Price at least. There's one scene where Van comes into his room and lights a candle. Stef thinks about how it amazes him, but that to Vanyel, it's comonplace. I've always thought that Van used Firestarting there. It's possible that he used Mage Gift, but why use it to do something he has a Gift specifically for. >I think it's a more interesting question as to how the Healing gift appeared >in his later life, when Savil says/thinks, IIRC, "and she was amazed by what >she saw. Savil...[cut a lot of talk about testing people for Gifts]. Van >had not one, not two, but all of his channels, with the sole exception of >Healing, open..." Where does that Healing Gift come from I'd like to know? Savil says something like, "All of his channels had been blasted open to their widest possible extent, with the exeption of Healing." To me, this always meant that all his other Gifts has been opened to their full potential, while Healing was only partially opened. ' Mat accmjt-+AT+-vaxc.hofstra.edu VAX is the source of all evil. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 16:15:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Mat Timmerman To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Bio Message-ID: <01HXPTQ5W09K94EL2L-+AT+-vaxc.hofstra.edu> From: EDooley489-+AT+-aol.com > >Hey this post is several days old but it was asking if anyone else lived in >Northern CA and I wanted to add myself into the list. I have only been here >six months but love San Fran already. Thanks >Eric Hey! It's an Eric from San Francisco! How are Beth and Kory? (yes, I know that that was reeeeally bad, and this is a one-liner, but I couldn't resist) Mat -- Mat Timmerman "They want to stop the ones who want accmjt-+AT+-hofstra.edu prosthetic foreheads on their heads. But mtimmerman1-+AT+-hofstra.edu everybody wants prosthetic foreheads on their real heads." -- They Might Be Giants ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 16:38:58 -0500 (EST) From: CODIORNE-+AT+-WELLESLEY.EDU To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Excessive subjection to Disney makes one ill? Message-ID: <01HXPUGJIPRM9D5D89-+AT+-WELLESLEY.EDU> Heather Mina wrote: >And I live with a 2 year old who is perpetually asking for Simba, Ariel, or >Beast. There is just about always one of the Disney tapes in the VCR, and >we watch about 20 or 30 minutes of one of them every morning after breakfast >but before "school". Hmmm...I suppose this is a bad time to mention I actually like *some* Disney. Beauty and the Beast I like, and some of the older films are delightfully cheesy. Look on the bright side: they could be watching Barney. Thia, who also reads romances. Of course I have a mind! I don't read Xanth any more... ) \ / ( /|\ )\_/( /|\ * / | \ (/\|/\) / | \ * |`._______________/__|__o____\`|'/___o__|__\_________________.'| |Cynthia Odiorne '^` \|/ '^` codiorne-+AT+-wellesley.edu | |SCA Judith Hosford V jennaria-+AT+-spike.wellesley.edu| |FDC Mrs. Potts | | Meddle not in the affairs of bards | | For your name is silly and scans to Greensleeves | | .__________________________________________________________. | |' l /\ / \\ \ /\ l `| * l / V )) V \ l * l/ // \I V [BTW, thank you to whoever of you I got this .sig ascii from :)] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 16:39:50 -0500 (EST) From: Adrienne York To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Romance novels.... Message-ID: On Thu, 16 Nov 1995 AnneS3832-+AT+-aol.com wrote: > Hi Folks- > > Somehow I missed this thread before. . . . . but in my days when anything > printed was worth reading, the one bodice ripper that I actually bought, > rather than borrowed from the library was a book that I still say was really > well plotted, and slightly less sexist than most- it was titled "The Wolf and > the Dove" . . .gorky title, but a good book . . . I have no idea if this has > been offered up as a good book here or not, but if you are into the genre, > give it a try . . . . > I think I know of the author you are talking about, but I don't happen to remember the woman's name. I have been told this particular author is very good, but I've never had the chance to read her. I cautiously give a recommendation. Also, a couple of days ago, somebody recommended a Zebra historical. Now, I don't want to slam whoever it was, but I've only been able to start Zebras, never finish them. In my experience, they haven't been very good. ;];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];] ;] Adrienne York-Minor ;] ;] "I'd like to believe that, but I'm fresh out of optimism." ;] ;] -Princess Jasmine ;] ;] ayork-+AT+-simons-rock.edu ;] ;];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 17:06:27 -0500 (EST) From: Adrienne York To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: bardic gift Message-ID: On Thu, 16 Nov 1995, Heather Mina wrote: > >> >> Remember that the three prerequisites for entrance to the Bardic Collegium > >> >> are Talent, Creativity, and Gift. You have to have two to get in, unless > >> >> you are the heir to a noble house (as Van was), in which case you must > have > >> >> all three. Therefore, Talia has Talent, but no Gift. > >> > > >> >You must have two to be accepted as a Bard, one as a minstrel. Heirs had > >> >to have TWO to get in, not three. The Collegium wasn't prepared to take > >> >someone's heir just so they could be a minstrel. > >> > >> Vanyel was told (well, Savil was told) that he had both Talent and > >> Creativity, but not the Gift. The Collegium is not going to accept an heir > >> unless he is so Gifted and Talented that they just can't keep him out! > > > > But if he had had oth, he would have gotten in, and so much for > >his ever becoming a Herald, most likely. He had the Talent, but no Gift > >or Creativity. Hence Bard Breda(?)'s pitying look at him after his first > >class. > > He had two of the three. If he had had all three, he would have gotten in. NO! Heather, the first day of Van's classes at Bardic, Breda is talking to some other Bard about Van. She says, "What did Bard Shanse say about the kid when he was out Forst Reach way?" And the guy replies, "He has the Gift of Musicianship, but he never said one word about Van's writing a single note, and he didn't hear the Bardic Gift. But you listen for the Bardic, because you're the best at it, and I'd really like to do Sayvil a favor on this one." And Breda says, "okay, but you know he has to have two of the three, because we can't accept somebody's heir as just a minstrel." This is all liberally paraphrased, because I don't have LHM, but this is approximately what was said. About Breda's conference with Savil, that's something we never see. Savil just tells Van that Breda told her that he was an excellent musician, but they couldn't let him in because he had only one of the Bardic Gifts. He needed either the Gift or Creativity, neither of which he had. Sorry if this is kind of a rant, but it hasn't been a great day. Also, Heather, would you please stop deleting attributes. I think You made the first statement, then me, then you, then Rosario, then you and now me. But I'm not sure because you were deleting the who saids. ;];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];] ;] Adrienne York-Minor ;] ;] "I'd like to believe that, but I'm fresh out of optimism." ;] ;] -Princess Jasmine ;] ;] ayork-+AT+-simons-rock.edu ;] ;];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 17:36:27 -0500 (EST) From: Wendy Howell To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Chemistry People Message-ID: yes, i am indeed a chem freak (and believe me it is a freak, not a nerd...) i haven't had to declare my major yet as i'm only a first semester frosh, but when i do it will be chem... i'd have to say that this was all my high school chem teacher's fault. he was definately the best science teacher i've ever had, and probably the second best teacher i've ever had (my seventh grade english teacher was the best)...so it was kinda natural for me to love chem, since he was such a great teacher (not that i wasn't a science freak already). what will i do after college? well, i hope to work in a lab, doing research. -winterhart ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 18:17:10 -0500 From: duvall.23-+AT+-postbox.acs.ohio-state.edu (Stacy Hunt DuVall) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Disney Movies Message-ID: <199511162317.SAA19935-+AT+-postbox.acs.ohio-state.edu> Amy wrote: >I'm sorry, but I'm going to have to say that after myself watching it a >million times, I would watch it again, including _The Little Mermaid_, >and _The Lion King_. I am an avid Disney fanatic and have enjoyed every >animated movie they have put out. (You should see my Disney movie >collection) Though, I agree with some people that _Pocahontas_ wasn't as >good. I felt like Disney was trying to be too politically correct and >missing out on the actual plot of the story. Does anyone fell this way >also, or am I the only one above the age of 14 that throughly enjoys Disney? I still love Disney movies, and I'm 22. My favorite is "Robin Hood", even though they "recycled" Baloo into Little John. I didn't see _Pocahontas_, but the thought of hearing Mel Gibson's voice attached to a cartoon character really didn't appeal to me (although I am a Mel Gibson fan). My sister and my 3 year old niece(sp) went to see it, though, and it didn't meet the 3 year old's approval. As far as the Lion King, my sister now has a cat named Simba and a bird named Zazu. Aren't three year olds great? (Especially when you can give them back to their mother ;-) Stacy Hunt DuVall duvall.23-+AT+-osu.edu "What's my loftiest ambition? I've always wanted to throw an egg at an electric fan." ---? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 15:27:05 -0800 (PST) From: CHONNI To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: bardic gift Message-ID: On Thu, 16 Nov 1995, Sanna Koulu wrote: > Note that Talia has more than _just_a_trace of the Skill! She is > much better at singing and playing than _that_. I'm sure that Talia > has "a trace" of the _Gift_, but I can't remember any specific > mentions - possibly in AotQ, when Ylsa's talking of Gift traces, or > somewhere when Talia's singing. > > Talent has been used in more meanings than just to mean the Skill; > I think it's unlikely that Jadus, who was a Bard (well, 3 years > worth), would mis-estimate her Skill and Gift. Does anyone have proof > either way? I have a feeling that Talia's Talent isn't quite the same as the Bardic Gift. I would say that it's a branch of her Empathy; she can sense emotions, and also sense where she is needed: like when she Mindheals. Why shouldn't this apply to her music? Also, Talia has a good singing voice and (here's my wild guess) true pitch (not quite perfect) that makes up the skill part. Also, I have a new idea for everyone who wants to talk about mindspeech that might just be acceptable to those of us who aren't! When you make up your herald persona, once you've developed your character, you roll dice for a Gift. One of the things you can end up with is a double-strength talent. My question is, WHAT DOES THIS MEAN? Chonni (that's me too) ended up with double strength mindspeech and regular (decafinated?) animal mindspeech. Personally, i would have chosen Farsight, given that Chonni (and me) is nearsighted. Any ideas? Oh, and do flame-proof suits come in pure white? *********************************************************************** -Chonni Brightwolf (Katherine Moll, student) University College of the Cariboo British Columbia, CANADA ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Nov 1995 12:09:41 +1100 (EST) From: Julie Vaux To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: thread editing Message-ID: <199511170109.MAA17113-+AT+-metz.une.edu.au> I'd just like to say a few words in support of those folks who have drawn attention to the need to tighten up threads by either summarizing arguments, NOT repeating earlier posts and avoiding I agree posts - some of us really need to write more concisely! This mind speech thread has been going on for over a week and frankly I'm getting a little tired of having three or four digests in my box in one day and having it overload my system's quotas and then opening the digests of over a 1000 characters to find most of the subjects and material repeat earlier material . Now I presume??? some of you think you're arguing the material or question from a new angle but think about this - look at some of the recent digests and think - could you submit printouts of these as class work or essays and pass??? Obviously prose style for listserve and thread postings is not going to be the same as the prose styles one uses for formal writing like essays and assignments and reports but that doesnt and shouldnt mean no prose style !!! Let me put it another way I take it that Quiller-Couch's famous little booklet on style is not readily available in american university libraries or Graves and Hodge's Reader over the Shoulder??? I dont want a ban on trivia or the pleasures of waffling but some of us need to be a little more concise and focused??? ... and before any sensitive souls point out I have an MA in Classics ( well I will hopefully when they finish marking my thesis) and more practise with writing than some of the younger members of the list ... >>> The reasom I was a "mature age" uni student was that I on top of other problems had an undiagnosed learning disability - I was dyslexic with attention deficit plus my visual problems with the floating blind spot - SO I HAD TO TEACH MYSELF TO WRITE I dont know if I'll ever be a great success as a writer but I'ld rather not write than ... I know striving for clarity and focus and simplicity of argument is a difficult process but some of us ... Sigh those of us who dont use the digest option may be missing the point of this but think about it anyway ... Its friday here and I'm not looking forward to opening my mail box on Monday and having several digests to scroll and wondering whether I should just delete the ones in the middle and just read the ones that are oldest and newest and I think I willnt be the only listserver using the delete ... Can we please find a new subject now that ... it was kerry wasnt it who helpfully posted a summary of the thread ... we've argued mindspeech to tatters ... Julie Vaux ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 20:32:26 -0600 From: h-wilfehrt-+AT+-nwu.edu (Helen M. Wilfehrt) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Chemistry People Message-ID: <199511170228.AA204875286-+AT+-casbah.acns.nwu.edu> Well, I'm not quite a "Chem person", but almost related. I am a doctoral student doing research which spans both neuroscience and physiology. Two of my best (& favorite) teachers have been chem teachers though - my high school AP Chem Class and my undergrad Chem teacher. Both brought excitement and enjoyment to science. My continued involvement in science is probably due in part to them. Helen h-wilfehrt-+AT+-nwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 22:23:50 -0500 From: SariKr-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Excessive subjection to Disney makes one ill? Message-ID: <951116222349_24891693-+AT+-mail02.mail.aol.com> In a message dated 95-11-16 13:19:02 EST, you write: >And I live with a 2 year old who is perpetually asking for Simba, Ariel, or >Beast. There is just about always one of the Disney tapes in the VCR, and >we watch about 20 or 30 minutes of one of them every morning after breakfast >but before "school". > > Ah, my heart be still I am not alone in the world I have a 3 and 7 yr old who will sit and watch movies at least a hundred time each. I thought if I heard Peter Pan's voice one more time I would self combust. Now it is the power rangers and their frighteningly annoying song. I think we should start a support group for harried and harrassed individuals who can't take one more viewing. Lill (GO< GO POWER RANGERS aaack I can't get it out of my brain) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 22:09:06 -0700 (MDT) From: Lisa Ellen Watermelon Waltz To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Cc: lackey-owner-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re:Chanur Message-ID: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The Chanur books are great(did I spell that right). I have been pleased with Cherryh's work Nice convoluted worlds that read so real. Where bad guys might just be better than the "good guys". Kitty kitty-+AT+-unm.edu The computer is mightier than the pen, the sword, and usually, the programmer. -Jennifer Nolan It is not mighter than a cup of coffee or other liquid or a small child with a tool box. -LE WALTZ Suika no hmpg ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 22:18:09 -0700 (MDT) From: Lisa Ellen Watermelon Waltz To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Cc: lackey-owner-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Romance Plea For Help Message-ID: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Wed, 8 Nov 1995, LAURA LAFFOON wrote: > Can anyone help me? I'm trying to wean one of my friends from those > horrible, Gods forsaken romances. Get her a copy of Zinna Hendersons _The People No Different Flesh_ Or one of the other books in the series and you may just hook her. Kitty kitty-+AT+-unm.edu The computer is mightier than the pen, the sword, and usually, the programmer. -Jennifer Nolan Suika no hmpg ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 22:19:02 -0700 (MDT) From: Lisa Ellen Watermelon Waltz To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Cc: lackey-owner-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: first exposure to sci-fi/fantasy Message-ID: On Wed, 8 Nov 1995, Kristin A. Ruhle wrote: > My first SF/fantasy was Andre Norton's _The Zero Stone_ way back in > junior high. I also read _The Andromeda Strain_ in 8th grade. In high > school I got more and more into hard sf, Did you read the sequel to the _Zero Stone_ It took me for ever to find it. Kitty kitty-+AT+-unm.edu The computer is mightier than the pen, the sword, and usually, the programmer. -Jennifer Nolan Suika no hmpg ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Nov 1995 00:24:12 -0500 From: Karieva-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Innocence... Message-ID: <951117002326_85514219-+AT+-emout06.mail.aol.com> >>Can you believe i get carded buying lotto tickets? and this summer the >>fairgrounds tried to sell me a child's ticket (12 and under)! i'm twenty, >>but i get misstaken for 15 alot. >> -colette I believe it. I'm 27, and just because I run around like a teenager in jeans and ponytails I get mistaken for my 8 yr old's SISTER!!! (Of course, I get into mischief just as often as he does, so that doesn't help any...:::grins & giggles:::) Karieva-+AT+-aol ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 22:26:51 -0700 (MDT) From: Lisa Ellen Watermelon Waltz To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Excessive subjection to Disney Message-ID: > Ah, my heart be still I am not alone in the world I have a 3 and 7 yr old > who will sit and watch movies at least a hundred time each. I thought if I > heard Peter Pan's voice one more time I would self combust. Now it is the > power rangers and their frighteningly annoying song. I think we should > start a support group for harried and harrassed individuals who can't take > one more viewing. > Remember that things sometimes get lost or broken (I cant find that tape right now), and it is OK to say no we arn't going to watch TV this morning or right now. Replace the video with cuddling up with child and book. Pick one the 7 year old will get sucked into. kitty-+AT+-unm.edu The computer is mightier than the pen, the sword, and usually, the programmer. -Jennifer Nolan Suika no hmpg ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Nov 1995 18:08:05 +1100 (EST) From: Mr CM George To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Blue Eyes Message-ID: Amy Mason wrote: >I'm sorry, but I'm going to have to say that after myself watching it a >million times, I would watch it again, including _The Little Mermaid_, >and _The Lion King_. I am an avid Disney fanatic and have enjoyed every >animated movie they have put out. (You should see my Disney movie >collection) Though, I agree with some people that _Pocahontas_ wasn't as >good. I felt like Disney was trying to be too politically correct and >missing out on the actual plot of the story. Does anyone fell this way >also, or am I the only one above the age of 14 that throughly enjoys >Disney? > >Amy :) I have to admit that I've been a Disney fan since seeing Aladdin, and have seen Aladdin and TLK several times. Pocahontas I found lacking, as did everyone I know that has seen it. Beauty and the Beast remains my favorite, even though I have only seen it a couple of times on video (as compared with at least 4 or 5 times each at the cinema for the others, plus seeing them repeatedly on video). Probably in terms of being too P.C. all the Disney movies could be improved. The trouble is (IMNSHO), even Disney aim them at children, when they have a much wider appeal. Oh well. Anyone know what _next year's_ animated movie will be? ========================================================================== Craig George (E-mail cmgeo1-+AT+-ccds.cc.monash.edu.au) http://www.cc.monash.edu.au/people/cmgeo1/index.html ========================================================================== "We don't like what we don't understand, in fact it scares us." (Disney's Beauty and the Beast) ========================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Nov 95 8:49:31 CET (0749Z) From: "Scarlett E. Blizzard" To: welnetzb-+AT+-wurbpmo.wuerzburg.army.mil, darstein-+AT+-wurbpmo.wuerzburg.army.mil, Subject: Internet cookie recipe Message-ID: <9511170805.AA07792-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk> I'm passing this message along as asked.... Scarlett " A job is good, responsibility bites!--ZFM ----- Forwarded message # 1: Received: from manuopm.mannheim.army.mil by host.wurbpmo.wuerzburg.army.mil id aa10405; 16 Nov 95 20:27 CET Received: from manuopm.mannheim.army.mil by host.manuopm.mannheim.army.mil id aa09281; 16 Nov 95 20:21 CET Date: Thu, 16 Nov 95 20:17:28 CET (1917Z) From: SSG Joe Voss To: allimo-+AT+-manuopm.mannheim.army.mil cc: epsteinw-+AT+-heidelberg-emh2.army.mil, aetv-mpdbc-+AT+-email.mannheim.army.mil, 100041.3510-+AT+-compuserve.com, allisonk-+AT+-fairfax-emh1.army.mil, 75714.552-+AT+-compuserve.com, deanl%pm%mdw-+AT+-mcnair-emh2.army.mil, mcnamara-+AT+-pentagon-hqdadss.army.mil, christopher_scott/eunetcom-+AT+-encmail.eunetcom.net Subject: [LTC Johns: [wright: T. Sandner: recipe]] Well, why not.... power to the people! Joe ----- Forwarded message # 1: Date: Thu, 16 Nov 95 18:32:51 CET (1732Z) From: LTC Johns To: opmper-+AT+-manuopm.mannheim.army.mil Subject: [wright: T. Sandner: recipe] Ain't this information highway wonderful??!!! ----- Forwarded message # 1: From: wright-+AT+-victory4.vcorps.army.mil (Wright, Benjamin CW5) Organization: V CORPS, Heidelberg, Germany Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 17:09:58 +0100 Subject: T. Sandner: recipe FYI, A LITTLE JOY FOR A TOUGH WEEK WE'RE ALL HAVING. GOD BLESS BEN From: "Slyker, Chuck" To: "'Ms. Brooks'" Subject: FW: [7/101 S2: [T. Sandner: recipe]] Date: Tue, 14 Nov 95 15:32:00 W For your information and interest. Please share with Mrs. Slyker. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------- This message is sent to you with the hope you will forward it to everyone you have ever even seen the email address of. In the spirit of the originator, please feel free to post it anywhere and everywhere. Okay, everyone....a true story of justice in the good old U.S. of A. Thought y'all might enjoy this; if nothing else, it shows internet justice, if it can be called that. My daughter & I had just finished a salad at Neiman-Marcus Cafe in Dallas & decided to have a small dessert. Because our family are such cookie lovers, we decided to try the "Neiman-Marcus Cookie". It was so excellent that I asked if they would give me the recipe and they said with a small frown, "I'm afraid not." Well, I said, would you let me buy the recipe? With a cute smile, she said, "Yes." I asked how much, and she responded, "Two fifty." I said with approval, just add it to my tab. Thirty days later, I received my VISA statement from Neiman-Marcus and it was $285.00. I looked again and I remembered I had only spent $9.95 for two salads and about $20.00 for a scarf. As I glanced at the bottom of the statement, it said, "Cookie Recipe - $250.00." BOY, WAS I UPSET!! I called Neiman's accounting dept. and told them the waitress said it was "two fifty," and I did not realize she meant $250.00 for a cookie recipe. I asked them to take back the recipe and reduce my bill and they said they were sorry, but because all the recipes were this expensive so not just everyone could duplicate any of our bakery recipes....the bill would stand. I waited, thinking of how I could get even or even try and get any of my money back. I just said, "Okay, you folks got my $250.00 and now I'm going to have $250.00 worth of fun." I told her that I was going to see to it that every cookie lover will have a $250.00 cookie recipe from Neiman-Marcus for nothing. She replied, "I wish you wouldn't do this." I said, "I'm sorry but this is the only way I feel I could get even," and I will. So, here it is, and please pass it to someone else or run a few copies....I paid for it; now you can have it for free. (Recipe may be halved.) 2 cups butter 4 cups flower 2 tsp. soda 2 cups sugar 5 cups blended oatmeal** 24 oz. chocolate chips 2 cups brown sugar 1 tsp. salt 1 8 oz. Hershey Bar (grated) 4 eggs 2 tsp. baking powder 3 cups chopped nuts (yourchoice) 2 tsp. vanilla ** measure oatmeal and blend in a blender to a fine powder. Cream the butter and both sugars. Add eggs and vanilla; mix together with flour, oatmeal, salt, baking powder, and soda. Add chocolate chips, Hershey Bar and nuts. Roll into balls and place two inches apart on a cookie sheet. Bake for 10 minutes at 375 degrees. Makes 112 cookies. Have fun!!! This is not a joke --- this is a true story.. ************************************************************ That's it. Please, pass it along to everyone you know, single people, mailing lists, etc..... Ride free, citizen! LTC DENNIS KENNEDY * COMMAND AND CONTROL SUPPORT AGENCY * (FOA OF ODCSOPS,IN THE ARMY OPS CTR) * KENNEDYD-+AT+-PENTAGON-HQDADSS.ARMY.MIL * ------------------- Overflow-To: wright-+AT+-victory4.vcorps.army.mil (Wright, Benjamin CW5), aeusg-ma-ch1-+AT+-email.mannheim.army.mil (BFV CHAPEL, MANNHEIM), brownt-+AT+-heidelberg-emh11.army.mil ('TOM BROWNSWORD'), cgillyar-+AT+-seckenheim-emh1.army.mil ('LAR, TACOM, MR. GILLYARD, C'), cohagand-+AT+-heidelberg-emh11.army.mil (DAVID COHAGAN), ellisj-+AT+-email.mannheim.army.mil (CHAPLAIN ELLIS, BFV), hughesm-+AT+-email.kaiserslautern.army.mil (WO1 HUGHES, 5TH MT. CO.), johnsjef-+AT+-manuopm.mannheim.army.mil (LTC JOHNS, OPM USAREUR), libang-+AT+-email.mannheim.army.mil ('CHAP ASST SPC LIBAN, BFV'), paughj-+AT+-heidelberg-emh11.army.mil (CPT PAUGH, 1ST PERSCOM), schencka-+AT+-email.mannheim.army.mil (schencka), slagterd-+AT+-heidelberg-emh11.army.mil (slagterd) ----- End of forwarded messages ----- End of forwarded messages ----- End of forwarded messages ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Nov 1995 12:02:29 EET From: "Sanna Koulu" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Companions and mindspeech Message-ID: <150595A7289-+AT+-otdk.helsinki.fi> Mel wrote: > > Sanna wrote: > > > Jenneke wrote: > > > > > On Wed, 15 Nov 1995, Sanna Koulu wrote: > > > > Let's do a thought experiment: If I recite poetry by Mindspeech, what > > > > will you hear? The meaning of the poem? But I might not understand > > > > it. The words of the poem? but how could they be translated? > > > > Translating poetry is _hard_ and you'll still lose some of the > > > > original meaning. Or both? > > > > > > Do we know that poetry doesn't get horribly garbled by transmission via > > > MindSpeech? I'd be inclined to think that it does, because much of > > > poetry is music, which is bound up in sound as well as words. > > > > Hmm? I don't understand what you mean by saying "much of poetry is > > music". Would you explain? I think poetry is rhythm, and words, and > > layered meanings. Poetry works in written form perfectly well. > > > > I think it must be possible to transmit poetry in words. I don't > > think it should get garbled. This is just a personal opinion based on > > what I think Mindspeech should be like; it doesn't have any basis in > > the Scripture (read: the Velgarth books...). I think poetry is an > > essential form of art, and the kind of Mindspeech that doesn't > > transmit it is crude. > > > > I see poetry more as imagery than as words (but this may just be the way my > mind works -- see below). I imagine the imagery would carry across, but any > structure that the poem might have would likely be lost en route. Here I disagree - I think a recital by Mindspeech to someone who knows the language should be as easy as a recital in spoken language. The beauty of poetry is that it's more than the sum of its parts. The hearer will get something different out of it than the reciter. The structure of poetry is a very important part in this. I mean, the reciter can't understand the poem perfectly (even the author can't!) so if the hearer only gets the imagery (in Mindspeech), it's like the book review of say LHM instead of the book itself. I think the way Mindspeech works (I say it here instead of in the "how Mindspeech works" thread because that one was depressingly messy) is that the sender forms in his mind the words that he wants to send, he sends them and the receiver gets them in the verbal form. (Along with the ideas and overtones) This way would prevent accidentally leaking thoughts not meant to be sent (compare with the scene in MPawn when Fandes is carrying Vanyel to the temple), and, it would preserve the sentence-structure. -Seanna ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Nov 1995 10:42:15 GMT From: mel (Melanie Dymond Harper) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: ADMIN: forwarding messages to the list (was Re: Internet cookie recipe) Message-ID: <9511171042.AA14119-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk> A reminder. Please _don't_ forward messages to the list which are not Lackey related. If you've got a message you think everyone should know about, then it is acceptable (at best) to send a _short_ message to the list summarising the content of the message in which you believe listmembers might be interested. and inviting them to contact you DIRECTLY for a copy of it. For the record, the cookie recipe is an urban myth, or at least the professed story surrounding it is; I am told that the recipe itself makes quite acceptable cookies. I first had this forwarded to me ... hm ... well over five years ago, and I should imagine that I have seen it at least a hundred times since then. (Yep, it's that widespread.) There are other urban myths which I do not ever wish to see forwarded here. - The GOOD TIMES virus (it does not exist, it never existed) - Anything about Craig Shergold (he does exist, he was ill, he is not ill any longer; he lives quite near me and is really tired of getting cards of any type) Chain letters of any kind are also right out. More specifically, anyone forwarding a Make-Money-Fast scheme here will be bounced from the list immediately. They don't work, and they're illegal in many (most?) countries. Your friendly neighbourhood dictator Mel. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Nov 1995 06:33:02 EST From: SMHA86B-+AT+-prodigy.com (MISS MARIA T FOGEL) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: re:bios Message-ID: <013.04999459.SMHA86B-+AT+-prodigy.com> Lisa Ellen Watermelon Waltz says: >You first, Wyvern! do what 1st? Post a bio? I have... My apologies, but my e-mail probs have made me forget half the threads here... :( If you want my bio , I'm 16, love books and computers more than anything except my parakeets and paralette I dropped out of school this year because of Chronic Fatigue Syndrome I'll go back to school if/when I get over this. I love singing, have taken lessons for about 3 years, am considering a professional carrer someday . I love erasure, boy george, some , Phantom of the Opera, and am desperately trying to find out what type of music Mannheim Steamroller plays. I heard a Christmas CD of thiers and want to get some other stuff of theirs. wyvern ------------------------------ End of MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 237 *********************************