MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 243 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Current discussion (Bardic Gift) by s003yms-+AT+-desire.wright.edu 2) Re: Chemistry People (way off topic) by s003yms-+AT+-desire.wright.edu 3) Re: Pronouncing Vanyel by s003yms-+AT+-desire.wright.edu 4) Re: Chemistry People (way off... by AliFarr-+AT+-aol.com 5) Re: MERCEDES-LACKEY digest 242 by rubin-+AT+-cent.com 6) Fertility of companions by David Adams 7) Re: If you could be..... by Karieva-+AT+-aol.com 8) Re: Fertility of companions by Amy Mason 9) Re: Fertility of companions by duvall.23-+AT+-postbox.acs.ohio-state.edu (Stacy Hunt DuVall) 10) Re: Chemistry People (way off... by Stephanie Wukovitz 11) Re: Fertility of companions by Stephanie Wukovitz 12) Re: Fertility of companions by Anne Cross 13) Re: Pronouncing Vanyel by "Sanna Koulu" 14) Re: If you could be..... by "Sanna Koulu" 15) Elves... by jc-+AT+-crosfield.co.uk (Jerry Cullingford) 16) Re: Elves... by mel (Melanie Dymond Harper) 17) Re: Elves... by jc-+AT+-crosfield.co.uk (Jerry Cullingford) 18) Re: MERCEDES-LACKEY digest 242 by Catherine Osborne 19) latest poll by Catherine Osborne 20) Re: Elves... by "Saverte " 21) Re: Elves... by Heather Mina 22) Re: Fertility of companions by Heather Mina 23) Re: more mindspeech... by Heather Mina 24) Re: Elves... by Heather Mina 25) A new poll... BAD FICTION! by Heather Mina 26) Re: Elves... by Richard Crawford 27) Re: Elves... by Anne Cross 28) Fertility of companions by Wallace-+AT+-online.knoxnews.com 29) Re: Pronouncing Vanyel by gjuka-+AT+-cnw.com (Gjuka) 30) Re: Fertility of companions by David Adams 31) Re: MERCEDES-LACKEY digest 242 by gjuka-+AT+-cnw.com (Gjuka) 32) Re: Fertility of companions by gjuka-+AT+-cnw.com (Gjuka) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 15:22:13 -0500 (EST) From: s003yms-+AT+-desire.wright.edu To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Current discussion (Bardic Gift) Message-ID: On Wed, 15 Nov 1995, Sanna Koulu wrote: > Jenneke wrote: > > > On Tue, 14 Nov 1995, Mikkel Larsen wrote: > > > mention of it, in Highjorune he poses as a minstrel *not* as a Bard and > > > minstrels does not have the Bardic Gift. > > > > Yes, but he did this to avoid attracting attention. Later, when he wants > > to attract attention, he poses as a Bard. > > Not all Bards have the Gift, either. They just need two out of three: > talent, creativity and the Gift. I've been assuming that Minstrels > (the ones trained at the Collegium) need one out of three. Do you > think 'tis a correct assumption? it would mean there would be > mistrels who couldn't play (well, poets and "preachers")? > > > > My opinion? He had it, and he probably used it, at least subconsciously, > > any time he had to play and influence people at the same time. However, > > given his duties, he probably wasn't in that situation often. > > I disagree here... After all, you don't need to make music to use the > Gift. (Medren in MPromise). I don't think he ever used it - I don't > think he ever had it! (I know, I've said it before, but I've got > evidence on my side. I'd like to hear the reasons for opposing points > of view?) > > > -Seanna > > > > I wondered about van not getting into bardic....dont they say somewhere that Lissa listened to a song he wrote??? that should be the creative gift ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 15:37:19 -0500 (EST) From: s003yms-+AT+-desire.wright.edu To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Chemistry People (way off topic) Message-ID: On Thu, 16 Nov 1995, Stacy Hunt DuVall wrote: > Heya!! > > I was just wondering how many "chemistry people" are on the list. I've > noticed a few. > > Just trying to feed my curiosity! > > Stacy Hunt DuVall > duvall.23-+AT+-osu.edu > > "What's my loftiest ambition? I've always wanted to throw an egg at an > electric fan." ---? > > Im a biology people.... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 15:56:10 -0500 (EST) From: s003yms-+AT+-desire.wright.edu To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Pronouncing Vanyel Message-ID: On Tue, 21 Nov 1995, Stacy Hunt DuVall wrote: > On Tuesday, 21 Nov, Catherine Osborne wrote: > > >given the way Vanyel (gotta start pronouncing the > >name differently now ;) describes it. > > How is one supposed to? If you wouldn't mind, could you spell it out > phoneticaly so I can see how to say it right? Thanks! :-) > > Stacy Hunt DuVall > duvall.23-+AT+-osu.edu > > Josh Bond, an OSU grad student on the subject of a CHEM 730 test: > "Instead of passing out a test, he could've passed out bricks for us to beat > our heads on. > That would've been just as effective." > "A professor is one who talks in someone else's sleep" ---? > > Theres more than one way to pronounce vanyel?????? Ive just been saying it like daniel only with a v ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 16:11:56 -0500 From: AliFarr-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Chemistry People (way off... Message-ID: <951121161155_113019921-+AT+-emout04.mail.aol.com> Well, I started out a biology people too (as in B.S., degree in) but these days, I design and administer pension plans for a living! AliFarr ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 15:52:47 -0600 From: rubin-+AT+-cent.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: MERCEDES-LACKEY digest 242 Message-ID: > If you're going by the tapes, my guess is that >Misty puts what she's better at on them, namely vocal stuff. >(Disclaimer: I don't own any of the tapes, I'm just going by the comments >made around here.) > Well, actually, having reading the oh-so informative :( dust jackets on all of her books I got in hardcover (i.e., all after Wind of Fate;), you know, the one with that touched up picture of her? (I say touched up because she once had a lightning fats interview on the sci-fi channel and she didn't look a thing like the picture) It says she's a professional lyricist, so its more then being better, its what she's trained in:) Anyone have any more detailed info on her life? What did anyone who got the Tempest SERRAted edge tape, think of Dark Lover? And was Tam Lin their own version, or the Fairport Convention one? BTW, I was just obsessed by Tam Lin...;) Mel? How do I turn digest _off_? The FAQ gives _on_ instructions, but no off...:( >The reason has been that AOL's mail system appears to have gone >completely tits-up Mel, as you're in the UK, you don't have any experience with AOL... _something_ on AOL is *always* 'going tits-up'...My advice to anyone on that cursed serivce..if possible, get off (except Anne...how would you run the fan club on AOL if you were'nt on there?;) >Also I agree that Magic's Price wasn't that hot. I could have lived with >the tune, but her voice trying to do Stefen sounded whiny and kept cracking. I totally agree...that song was the main reason I bought it...was I dissapointed! >But most of the time her voice was so incredible! I loved it! I loved the >album! (Rosario is figuratively hovering over me, waiting for her copy ;) >It was so great, and now I can listen to it while I read Vanyel-books ;) I agree about her voice..but how can you listen while you read? There is some music that can be done to...Misty isn't one of them, IMHO >Well, I've been pronouncing it VAN-yel in my head, but at Balticon last year, >where Misty made an appearance, *she* prounouces is VON-yell . . . . and >since she invented him . . .-grin- Oh no! *Misty* pronounce it that way? I'm going to ahve to totally reconstructure the way I read LHM...Von-yell just changes it...makes him more noble, more adult...more STUFFY! :( >Anne |\ _,,,---,,_ > /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ >annes3832-+AT+-aol.com |,4- ) )-,_..;\ ( `'-' > '---''(_/--' `-'\_) I love that ASCII Art! How long did it take you to do on AOL? -+AT+-#*-+AT+-#*-+AT+-#*-+AT+-#*-+AT+-#*-+AT+-#*-+AT+-#*-+AT+-#*-+AT+-#*-+AT+-#*-+AT+-#*-+AT+-#*-+AT+-#*-+AT+-#*-+AT+-#*-+AT+-#*-+AT+-#*-+AT+-#*-+AT+-#*-+AT+-#*-+AT+-#*-+AT+-#*-+AT+-#*-+AT+- Oh Elbereth, watch over me while I play the game of life with fate and destiny... -The Palantir -From Journey of The Dunadan -By Glass Hammer Ubi nihil erit quod scribas, it ipsum scribito Even if you have nothing to write, write and say so. -Cicero -+AT+-#*-+AT+-#*-+AT+-#*-+AT+-#*-+AT+-#*-+AT+-#*-+AT+-#*-+AT+-#*-+AT+-#*-+AT+-#*-+AT+-#*-+AT+-#*-+AT+-#*-+AT+-#*-+AT+-#*-+AT+-#*-+AT+-#*-+AT+-#*-+AT+-#*-+AT+-#*-+AT+-#*-+AT+-#*-+AT+-#*-+AT+- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Nov 95 16:29:51 -0800 From: David Adams To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Fertility of companions Message-ID: <9511220029.AA08888-+AT+-flowserver.stem.com> Greetings! I am a huge Mercedes Lackey fan and was hoping someone on the list could settle an arguement. I say companions breed. For this I cite the arrows series (Talia on foal watch, Rolands amorous meeting with Skif's (?) companion whilst talia was on circuit, etc). My friend, however, is convinced that companions are sterile. I cannot for the life of me find any reference to this. Have I missed something or is he as nuts as I think he is? Dave ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 20:33:55 -0500 From: Karieva-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: If you could be..... Message-ID: <951121203232_30135407-+AT+-mail02.mail.aol.com> >>now i like elves best, but i have mixxed feelings about misty's elves- anyone >>else notice that they're a bit cartoonish? i prefer all the old legends of >>the sidhe. >> -colette As someone who, also, is crazy about elves, I do enjoy Misty's elf tales. And, yes, they are (sometimes more than) a bit cartoonish. For "realism" I prefer Gail Boudino's elves in the Strands of Starlight series. These are folk I would give a lot just to meet - and would do almost anything to be as "human" as... She (Gail) also has sidhe in her "Gosamer Axe," but they are very different from the elves in her other books (LOTS more trouble), but I still love the book because the main character is lesbian, and it's NOT a plot key!! Karieva-+AT+-aol ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 17:42:08 -0800 (PST) From: Amy Mason To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Fertility of companions Message-ID: On Wed, 22 Nov 1995, David Adams wrote: > Greetings! I am a huge Mercedes Lackey fan and was hoping someone > on the list could settle an arguement. > > I say companions breed. For this I cite the arrows series (Talia > on foal watch, Rolands amorous meeting with Skif's (?) companion > whilst talia was on circuit, etc). My friend, however, is convinced > that companions are sterile. I cannot for the life of me find any > reference to this. Have I missed something or is he as nuts as I > think he is? > > Dave Uhh...unless I am totally completely off the mark, companions _do_ breed. The only companions that aren't born through other companions, are as we have said before, are Grove Born. I can't give you a direct quote, but I know that in a few of Misty's books, she has said something to the effect that Companion's Field holds many young, newborn companions. Amy :) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 21:00:28 -0500 From: duvall.23-+AT+-postbox.acs.ohio-state.edu (Stacy Hunt DuVall) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Fertility of companions Message-ID: <199511220200.VAA11968-+AT+-postbox.acs.ohio-state.edu> ON Tue, 21 Nov, David Adams wrote: >I say companions breed. For this I cite the arrows series (Talia >on foal watch, Rolands amorous meeting with Skif's (?) companion >whilst talia was on circuit, etc). My friend, however, is convinced >that companions are sterile. I cannot for the life of me find any >reference to this. Have I missed something or is he as nuts as I >think he is? NOoooo, you haven't missed anything. "Supreme" fertility is supposed to be one of the neat things about the MOC. Also, there's "foal watch" and Cymry's foal as proof. I never got the impression, even early on, that Companions were sterile. Stacy Hunt DuVall duvall.23-+AT+-osu.edu "Penfold, shush!" ---Dangermouse ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 19:59:23 -0800 From: Stephanie Wukovitz To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk, steph-+AT+-newton.mbi.ucla.edu Subject: Re: Chemistry People (way off... Message-ID: <9511220359.AA02618-+AT+-newton.mbi.ucla.edu> Well hey I'm sorta chemitry people. Actually mathematician/crystallographer/ molecular biologist type which is pretty chemistry. -Stephanie whose 's' is still ickly :) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 20:02:13 -0800 From: Stephanie Wukovitz To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk, steph-+AT+-newton.mbi.ucla.edu Subject: Re: Fertility of companions Message-ID: <9511220402.AA02056-+AT+-newton.mbi.ucla.edu> For a reference to Cmpanion not being sterile, check out the first few pages of Arrow's Fall when Talia and Kris meet up with Skif on the way to Haven and they say she looks slim...must have foaled already (para- phrased obviously) -Stephanie ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Nov 1995 00:14:08 -0500 (EST) From: Anne Cross To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Fertility of companions Message-ID: On Wed, 22 Nov 1995, David Adams wrote: > I say companions breed. You say correctly. They do breed. A) Yfandes is a mother. Dig you your Last Herald-Mage books -- her foals are mentioned. B) Cymry also has a foal. The foal is mentioned as having a garland at Talia's wedding in Arrow's Fall. C) Companions are listed as breeding in Talia's orientation class. :) Hope that clears it up... ____________________________________________________________________________ | Anne Cross | "How many witches does it take | | juniper-+AT+-fledge.watson.org | to change a lightbulb?" | | http://www.watson.org/~juniper/ | "What do you want to change it into?" | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Nov 1995 10:03:58 EET From: "Sanna Koulu" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Pronouncing Vanyel Message-ID: <6D83580E6E-+AT+-otdk.helsinki.fi> Mat T. wrote: > From: duvall.23-+AT+-postbox.acs.ohio-state.edu (Stacy Hunt DuVall) > > > >On Tuesday, 21 Nov, Catherine Osborne wrote: > > > >>given the way Vanyel (gotta start pronouncing the > >>name differently now ;) describes it. > > > >How is one supposed to? If you wouldn't mind, could you spell it out > >phonetically so I can see how to say it right? Thanks! :-) > > > > I always pronounced it like this: Van (like "the name Ann") yel (like > "yell"), with the accent on the first syllable. Then, when I got > Shadow Stalker, I heard how Heather Alexander pronounces it: Vahn'-yl. > Personally, I still prefer the way that I say it. Aargh, how can you?!! That's sacrilege! :) No, really, it _has_ to be pronounced VAHN-yel, anything else is unthinkable. VAN-yel sounds like a mundane high school student with nothing on his mind except booze and girls, whereas VAHN-yel is a properly Heraldic name. -Seanna (who seems to have strong opinions on everything regarding Vanyel...) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Nov 1995 11:17:04 EET From: "Sanna Koulu" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: If you could be..... Message-ID: <6EBB532900-+AT+-otdk.helsinki.fi> From: Karieva-+AT+-aol.com > >>now i like elves best, but i have mixxed feelings about misty's > >>elves- anyone else notice that they're a bit cartoonish? i prefer > >>all the old legends of the sidhe. > >> -colette > > As someone who, also, is crazy about elves, I do enjoy Misty's elf tales. Oh that's cool! Somebody else who likes elves... I was starting to despair because I seem to be surrounded by fanatic elf-haters, especially in my RPG group... Anybody like Elfquest? (anybody noticed how alike Rayek and Firesong are?) > And, yes, they are (sometimes more than) a bit cartoonish. For "realism" I > prefer Gail Boudino's elves in the Strands of Starlight series. These are > folk I would give a lot just to meet - and would do almost anything to be as > "human" as... > She (Gail) also has sidhe in her "Gosamer Axe," but they are very > different from the elves in her other books (LOTS more trouble), but I still > love the book because the main character is lesbian, and it's NOT a plot > key!! I loved the Gossamer Axe! But, on the elves being different, in Strands of Sunlight humans turn elven and in the Axe elves turn human... I think they have more in common than appears at first glance. -Seanna ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Nov 1995 09:17:34 +0000 (GMT) From: jc-+AT+-crosfield.co.uk (Jerry Cullingford) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Elves... Message-ID: <9511220917.AA26546-+AT+-crosfield.co.uk> If you want Elves that aren't just pointy-eared humans :-) Then Tad Williams' Sithi in the _Memory Sorrow and Thorn_ trilogy may be worth looking at; He does a very good job of making them non-human. Better than Tolkien elves (FX: dives for asbestos bunker) IMHO - most of the elves we see in LOTR seem to act much like humans :-). -Jerry -- _|_ / | Jerry Cullingford jc-+AT+-crosfield.co.uk (Work) \_|_ jc-+AT+-selune.demon.co.uk (Home) \__/ Hemel Hempstead, UK jerry-+AT+-shell.portal.com (alternate) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Nov 1995 10:51:34 GMT From: mel (Melanie Dymond Harper) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Elves... Message-ID: <9511221051.AA09372-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk> Jerry said: > If you want Elves that aren't just pointy-eared humans :-) Then Tad Williams' > Sithi in the _Memory Sorrow and Thorn_ trilogy may be worth looking at; He > does a very good job of making them non-human. Better than Tolkien elves > (FX: dives for asbestos bunker) IMHO - most of the elves we see in LOTR seem to > act much like humans :-). Or, alternatively, Terry Pratchett's _Lords and Ladies_ (I think it ought to be out in the US by now ...). His elves are, basically, nasty pieces of work rather than the enlightened and totally good elves from Tolkien. Mel. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Nov 1995 11:50:36 +0000 (GMT) From: jc-+AT+-crosfield.co.uk (Jerry Cullingford) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Elves... Message-ID: <9511221150.AA28114-+AT+-crosfield.co.uk> Mel writes: > Or, alternatively, Terry Pratchett's _Lords and Ladies_ (I think it ought > to be out in the US by now ...). His elves are, basically, nasty pieces > of work rather than the enlightened and totally good elves from Tolkien. And you'll never look at Morris dancers quite the same way ever again, either :-). -- _|_ / | Jerry Cullingford jc-+AT+-crosfield.co.uk (Work) \_|_ jc-+AT+-selune.demon.co.uk (Home) \__/ Hemel Hempstead, UK jerry-+AT+-shell.portal.com (alternate) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Nov 1995 07:55:58 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine Osborne To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: MERCEDES-LACKEY digest 242 Message-ID: On Wed, 22 Nov 1995 rubin-+AT+-cent.com wrote: > I agree about her voice..but how can you listen while you read? There is > some music that can be done to...Misty isn't one of them, IMHO The deal is... I listen to it a whole bunch on its own ;) (done that already) and then I take out my Vanyel books, put the tape on relatively low, and let it sink into my subconscious as "period" music (I have been using some flute-and-harp music for that). It helps me feel like I'm actually there ;) Oh yeah, another favorite of mine on that tape is Moondance's song "Hawk Brother." But I have a question. The lyrics of the refrain -- is Moondance or Vanyel meant to be singing them? In other words, is the whole song done by Moondance or is it a dialogue? Anyway, it made me cry the first time I listened to it. I\/ Catherine Osborne "After great pain, I\/ Sundancer a formal feeling comes." I cosborne-+AT+-sidwell.edu --Emily Dickinson I http://www.sidwell.edu/~cosborne/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Nov 1995 08:53:37 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine Osborne To: mercedes lackey list Subject: latest poll Message-ID: Sorry its taken me so long to get this together, folks, but here are the results of the poll on sexuality. First, the stats; then, some interesting notes. There were 35 respondents. Most were women (six men responded.) 4 straight men (11.4 %) 13 straight women (37.14%) 9 bisexual women (25.7%) 2 gay men (5.7%) 3 gay women (8.57%) 4 unsure/questioning women (11.4%) I had my doubts about the "unsure/questioning" category, figuring those people might be classified as bi if very close to hetero, but so many people requested that category that I left it in. Virtually every straight respondent made it clear that he or she was supportive and accepting of gay/bi people. A number of people also said they wished they were gay or bi! Gay/bi respondants mostly said they didn't know about Misty's gay characters before they read, but after they found out, they were very glad and it was one reason they kept reading. I\/ Catherine Osborne "After great pain, ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Nov 1995 08:46:13 -0500 (EST) From: "Saverte " To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Elves... Message-ID: As long as we are on the subject of Elves, and this is the ML mailin list: I would recommend one of Misty's collaborator's Joespha Sherman. She has written en excellent paperback called The Shattered Oath. What happesn when an Elf is exiled? Read it and find out. It is an exclllent book with many good characterizations. Scott ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Nov 95 09:20:19 GMT+0000 From: Heather Mina To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Elves... Message-ID: <9511221421.AA15214-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk> At 10:51 AM 11/22/95 GMT, you wrote: >If you want Elves that aren't just pointy-eared humans :-) Then Tad Williams' >Sithi in the _Memory Sorrow and Thorn_ trilogy may be worth looking at; He >does a very good job of making them non-human. Better than Tolkien elves >(FX: dives for asbestos bunker) IMHO - most of the elves we see in LOTR seem to >act much like humans :-). Raymond Feist's elves are also pretty good. Their multi-ethnicity makes for an interesting culture. +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Heather L. Mina | CAUTION: Do not read e-mail | | hlmina-+AT+-vwc.edu | in bathtub. | | heamin-+AT+-sunshine.vab.unisysgsg.com | Or while driving. | +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Nov 95 09:20:12 GMT+0000 From: Heather Mina To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Fertility of companions Message-ID: <9511221421.AA15208-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk> At 01:02 AM 11/22/95 GMT, Dave wrote: >I say companions breed. For this I cite the arrows series (Talia >on foal watch, Rolands amorous meeting with Skif's (?) companion >whilst talia was on circuit, etc). My friend, however, is convinced >that companions are sterile. I cannot for the life of me find any >reference to this. Have I missed something or is he as nuts as I >think he is? It is an established fact that Companions breed. (Remember Elspeth sitting foal-watch with Talia, and helping the Companion give birth?) However, there is also the special set of Grove-Born Companions which are not actually foaled, but spring full-grown from the Grove in Companion's Field. Later! Heather +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Heather L. Mina | CAUTION: Do not read e-mail | | hlmina-+AT+-vwc.edu | in bathtub. | | heamin-+AT+-sunshine.vab.unisysgsg.com | Or while driving. | +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Nov 95 09:20:04 GMT+0000 From: Heather Mina To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: more mindspeech... Message-ID: <9511221421.AA15207-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk> At 12:09 AM 11/20/95 GMT, Zoe wrote: > Well, how about this.....far-fetched (F?) though >it is....What if a person is thinkng at another in their >language and images are naturally sent along with the >words? I mean, when I talk about cake, I picture it, and >smell, taste, feel the stickiness, etc. What if you are >thinking about Le livre Magic's Pawn est triste (really >roughly translated as The book Magic's Pawn is sad) (what >do you expect from a 1st year French student?), and you >send that. Well, I would be sending "Le livre Magic's >Pawn est triste", and I would be picturing the book and >sobbing mentally, so it might be understood well enough. To me, mindspeech would communicate "Le livre Magic's Pawn est triste", while empathy would communicate the image of the book and the mental sob. However, a thoughtsenser (note difference between "thoughtsensing" and "receptive mindspeech") might receive something in between, a combination of the foreign words with a tinge of sadness and maybe even a picture. My two cents worth... +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Heather L. Mina | CAUTION: Do not read e-mail | | hlmina-+AT+-vwc.edu | in bathtub. | | heamin-+AT+-sunshine.vab.unisysgsg.com | Or while driving. | +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Nov 95 09:20:24 GMT+0000 From: Heather Mina To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Elves... Message-ID: <9511221421.AA15219-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk> At 11:43 AM 11/22/95 GMT, you wrote: >Jerry said: >> If you want Elves that aren't just pointy-eared humans :-) Then Tad Williams' >> Sithi in the _Memory Sorrow and Thorn_ trilogy may be worth looking at; He >> does a very good job of making them non-human. Better than Tolkien elves >> (FX: dives for asbestos bunker) IMHO - most of the elves we see in LOTR seem to >> act much like humans :-). > >Or, alternatively, Terry Pratchett's _Lords and Ladies_ (I think it ought to be >out in the US by now ...). His elves are, basically, nasty pieces of work rather >than the enlightened and totally good elves from Tolkien. > >Mel. > Oh yeah! And wasn't it Misty with Andre Norton who wrote The Elvenbane (about the world where elves had enslaved all the humans, and dragons cconcealed themselves from everybody else?) The elves there are pretty nasty SOBs too! +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Heather L. Mina | CAUTION: Do not read e-mail | | hlmina-+AT+-vwc.edu | in bathtub. | | heamin-+AT+-sunshine.vab.unisysgsg.com | Or while driving. | +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Nov 95 09:35:47 GMT+0000 From: Heather Mina To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: A new poll... BAD FICTION! Message-ID: <9511221437.AA15481-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk> If you are interested in responding, please send mail to me privately at the address below. I will be collecting responses until Monday, December 4. On that date, I will send the results to anyone who responded. What is the worst book you have ever read? Why did you dislike it so much? Can you think of any other examples of just plain old bad writing? Have you ever read something so poorly written it just made you laugh? Please try to respond with title and author's name, where possible. If I can, I'll provide full bibliographic information on books that are mentioned in responses. (If you know of a good library site on the 'Net for me to look this stuff up, please let me know!) This is not meant to incite flame-wars, but to open a conversation about things we do and do not like in our science fiction and fantasy (and other genres as well). Since there are others out there who cherish a book that I particularly hated, it would be meaningless and just plain cruel for me to post "Magic's Pawn sucked and I'm never reading Lackey again!" (see, you're already feeling defensive, and you knew it was just an example!). However, it is interesting for the purpose of discussion to say "I found Battlefield Earth tedious and a bit convoluted. Does anyone else think it could have used just one more revision to tighten it up a little?". Let's have some fun! Heather +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Heather L. Mina | CAUTION: Do not read e-mail | | hlmina-+AT+-vwc.edu | in bathtub. | | heamin-+AT+-sunshine.vab.unisysgsg.com | Or while driving. | +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Nov 1995 08:08:43 -0800 From: Richard Crawford To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Elves... Message-ID: <199511221608.IAA06266-+AT+-franc.ucdavis.edu> There's also a book called _The Iron Dragon's Daughter_ by Michael Swanwick which takes place in an industrial fantasy world. The protagonist works in a dragon manufacturing plant, and the Elves there are a really nasty lot who have enslaved just about everyone else and spend most of their time warring against each other. Not quite the happy frolicking elves in the woods... ======================== All will be well, all will be well, And all manner of things will be well. ======================== Zhai'helleva, Rich ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Nov 1995 11:20:23 -0500 (EST) From: Anne Cross To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Elves... Message-ID: On Wed, 22 Nov 1995, Jerry Cullingford wrote: > Mel writes: > > Or, alternatively, Terry Pratchett's _Lords and Ladies_ (I think it ought > > to be out in the US by now ...). His elves are, basically, nasty pieces > > of work rather than the enlightened and totally good elves from Tolkien. > > And you'll never look at Morris dancers quite the same way ever again, > either :-). Hey! I -am- a Morris Dancer and I resemble that remark! ____________________________________________________________________________ | Anne Cross | "How many witches does it take | | juniper-+AT+-fledge.watson.org | to change a lightbulb?" | | http://www.watson.org/~juniper/ | "What do you want to change it into?" | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: 22 Nov 1995 13:02:50 EDT From: Wallace-+AT+-online.knoxnews.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Fertility of companions Message-ID: <9511221802.AA21634-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk> Dave: Check out the Arrows of the Queeen series (if I'm remembering coororrectly - no books at work!). It references the Companions brbreeding - for for example, when Talia and Kris are finishing their field tour and meetet Skif, Cymry and Rolan, both quite horny! make love and a foal! It follows up on this in the last book, Arrow's Fall. Also, my screen is messing up and the wlettersrs are not not doingoing right, so please forgive if this is xomewhwat illegible.e. Wind to thy wings, brother. Candace ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Nov 1995 10:55:38 -0800 From: gjuka-+AT+-cnw.com (Gjuka) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Pronouncing Vanyel Message-ID: <9511221844.AA12438-+AT+-baker> >From: duvall.23-+AT+-postbox.acs.ohio-state.edu (Stacy Hunt DuVall) >> >>On Tuesday, 21 Nov, Catherine Osborne wrote: >> >>>given the way Vanyel (gotta start pronouncing the >>>name differently now ;) describes it. >> >>How is one supposed to? If you wouldn't mind, could you spell it out >>phoneticaly so I can see how to say it right? Thanks! :-) >> > >I always pronounced it like this: Van (like "the name Ann") yel (like >"yell"), with the accent on the first syllable. Then, when I got >Shadow Stalker, I heard how Heather Alexander pronounces it: Vahn'-yl. >Personally, I still prefer the way that I say it. > >Mat i did the exact same thing. i like it both ways and like to explain the diffrences in pronunciation as "accent". my memory might be wrong here, but i seem to remember misty pronouncing it the second way. i still say it " van- yell" though. -colette gjuka-+AT+-cnw.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Nov 95 10:58:28 -0800 From: David Adams To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Fertility of companions Message-ID: <9511221858.AA10175-+AT+-flowserver.stem.com> Well, folks...I give up. I dug through the books and cited page and paragraph all of my references from the arrows series, I then referenced him less directly to all the citations pointed out by those of you on the list. He still won't admit that he was wrong. He will conceed that maybe they breed but that ML has made it abundantly clear that they are nearly sterile and that foaling is a rare thing. I think he needs a kick in the head...whatever...doesn't matter. Actually, this all started when I decided to go back and read arrows of the queen (the only Velgarth book I hadn't...Chris said it was terrible and should be avoided at all cost). Anyway, they went into the significance of grove-borne companions and Monarchs Own. Bing. My mind snaps to Elspeth and suddenly it makes sense. I had thought that her grove-borne companion was a plotline that had simply been dropped...guess I was wrong! I've really got to stop talking to Chris. DAve ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Nov 1995 11:07:44 -0800 From: gjuka-+AT+-cnw.com (Gjuka) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: MERCEDES-LACKEY digest 242 Message-ID: <9511221856.AA12650-+AT+-baker> > you know, >the one with that touched up picture of her? (I say touched up because she >once had a lightning fats interview on the sci-fi channel and she didn't >look a thing like the picture) actually, she does look like the photo, only without the makeup and the airbrushing. it IS a glamour shot after all. but it is a reasonable likeness of her. What did anyone who got the Tempest SERRAted edge tape, think of >Dark Lover? And was Tam Lin their own version, or the Fairport Convention >one? BTW, I was just obsessed by Tam Lin...;) i loved dark lover, though it took me awhile to get used to the chorus. i do believe tam lin was a souped up version of the traditional tune (i know the lyrics were trad.) but i've never heard the fairport version so not sure how to compare. >>Well, I've been pronouncing it VAN-yel in my head, but at Balticon last year, >>where Misty made an appearance, *she* prounouces is VON-yell . . . . and >>since she invented him . . .-grin- >Oh no! *Misty* pronounce it that way? I'm going to ahve to totally >reconstructure the way I read LHM...Von-yell just changes it...makes him >more noble, more adult...more STUFFY! :( >>Anne i still pronounce it the other way, even though i know how misty pronounces it. the magic's price books have become MY fantasy world now, in the same way it has become every other readers', and i like VAN-yell better. think of it as an accent diffrence if you don't want to change. it's fantasy- why should we have to be authentic? -colette gjuka-+AT+-cnw.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Nov 1995 11:12:49 -0800 From: gjuka-+AT+-cnw.com (Gjuka) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Fertility of companions Message-ID: <9511221901.AA12724-+AT+-baker> >Greetings! I am a huge Mercedes Lackey fan and was hoping someone >on the list could settle an arguement. > >I say companions breed. For this I cite the arrows series (Talia >on foal watch, Rolands amorous meeting with Skif's (?) companion >whilst talia was on circuit, etc). My friend, however, is convinced >that companions are sterile. I cannot for the life of me find any >reference to this. Have I missed something or is he as nuts as I >think he is? > >Dave there are many referances to companions being pregnant and foaling in all the books. Skif's Companion has a foal, Yfandes has two before she chooses Van (remember how puzzled Van is because Fandes and his mother seem to share a "gift" and it turns out to be because they're both mothers). not sure how your friend missed this. where did he think Companions come from? We already know that they are not all grove born. -Colette gjuka-+AT+-cnw.com ------------------------------ End of MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 243 *********************************