MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 248 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Excessive subjection to Disney makes one ill? by Kitty Watermelon 2) Re: Excessive subjection to Disney makes one ill? by Kitty Watermelon 3) Re: Van's Bardic & Healing Gifts by Kitty Watermelon 4) Re: mindspeaking, Companions, and all that jazz by Kitty Watermelon 5) Re: Pronounciation by Kitty Watermelon 6) Re: Fertility of companions by Catherine A Murdoch 7) Re: Elves... by Catherine A Murdoch 8) Memory & Books bio by Kitty Watermelon 9) Re: Elves... by Absolut Flaming 10) Re: mindspeaking, Companions, and all that jazz by jc-+AT+-crosfield.co.uk (Jerry Cullingford) 11) Re: Fertility of companions by s003yms-+AT+-desire.wright.edu 12) Re: Battle Dawn by AnneS3832-+AT+-aol.com 13) Re: Battle Dawn by Catherine Osborne 14) settling an old dispute by Catherine Osborne 15) Re: settling an old dispute by mel (Melanie Dymond Harper) 16) Re: settling an old dispute by mikkell-+AT+-cybernet.dk (Mikkel Larsen) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 26 Nov 1995 15:55:58 -0700 (MDT) From: Kitty Watermelon To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Excessive subjection to Disney makes one ill? Message-ID: >> Look on the bright side: they could be watching Barney. >Umm... actually, they are. And Lamb Chop, too. Well, at least Lamb Chop makes a good pot-roast. No flames, this is my first and last (we hope) one-liner. And by explaining this fact to you, I have made it a (1-2-3-4-5) six-liner. Nyah nyah nyah(sp?)! Zoe Guin, {(*j*)} kitty-+AT+-unm.edu The computer is mightier than the pen, the sword, and usually, the programmer. -Jennifer Nolan "That's funny, I talk to God all the time, and I don't remember him mentioning you." -William Broderick's character, Ladyhawke......oh, what's his name......argh! 14 lines! yah!!! Suika no hmpg ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Nov 1995 16:10:52 -0700 (MDT) From: Kitty Watermelon To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Excessive subjection to Disney makes one ill? Message-ID: Go go Power Rangers!! We are...we are VR! I love you, you love me... Biker mice from mars.... Teeenage mutant ninja tuuuuurtles HEEEELLLLPP MEEEEEE!!!! |-------------------------------<>-------------------------------| | Hello, hello, hello, is there anybody *in* there? | | Just nod if you can hear me/Is there anyone home? | | Come on...now/I hear you're feeling...down | | I can ease your pain/Get you on your feet again | |---------------------http://www.sidwell.edu/~rholsen--------------------| But at least you have _decent_ songs as well. I know, I know, horrid comment, should get flamed but you started this whole mess by commenting on songs, so...you deserve to be punished. And I _like_ the Power Rangers song. It's funny! Zoe Guin, {(*j*)} kitty-+AT+-unm.edu The computer is mightier than the pen, the sword, and usually, the programmer. -Jennifer Nolen Suika no hmpg ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Nov 1995 16:21:55 -0700 (MDT) From: Kitty Watermelon To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Van's Bardic & Healing Gifts Message-ID: When Van stumbles through the gate from Highjourune(sp?), and Father Leren guts him, he says something to the effect of "I've got just enough energy to Heal myself", and Yfandes gives him some extra energy, but he uses it instead to save Jervis. Other mentions I'm sure exist, but I can't remeber them really well right now.....sigh! As I've said before, I think, Misty made a mistake. She's not infallible. :They - ah - need to talk,: Vanyel said delicately. :Your Gwena, for all that she is Grove-born, is just as falliable as any other mortal.: So, please forgive my blasphemy, get over it. She screwed up. It doesn't lessen the story, and it is, in my opinion, a sign that we are desparate to discuss something Lackey related. Please, a new topic and a much-needed flame-proof suit would be greatly appreciated. Zoe Guin {(*j*)} kitty-+AT+-unm.edu The computer is mightier than the pen, the sword, and usually, the programmer. -Jennifer Nolan Suika no hmpg ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Nov 1995 16:39:46 -0700 (MDT) From: Kitty Watermelon To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: mindspeaking, Companions, and all that jazz Message-ID: Ah, but we do know how Companions get their names. Grove-born come with theirs, of course the MOC comes with his, and those that are not Grove-born tend to let their Chosen or another name them. Direct quote somewhere.....Arrows? Zoe Guin {(*j*)} kitty-+AT+-unm.edu The computer is mightier than the pen, the sword, and usually, the programmer. -Jennifer Nolan Suika no hmpg ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Nov 1995 17:16:31 -0700 (MDT) From: Kitty Watermelon To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Pronounciation Message-ID: I find that the best way to read names you can't pronounce is to just think of the spelling and the generalized feeling the person gives you. Otherwise I end up stuck on names. I will never be able to pronounce Vanyel's name any different. I don't know if I had heard it first if that would be different, but.......I like it my way. The feeling he gives me is more Vanyell then the Vonyell in any case. The fact that I skip over more complicated names is proven in the case of Staven and Tylendel's last name, and I probably have odd pronounciation on the first names as well. Anywho, their last name comes to mind as something spelled like your mouth is full while saying Tylendel and Staven and Gobbledygook all at once. Just love to watch myself think! Zoe Guin {(*j*)} kitty-+AT+-unm.edu The computer is mightier than the pen, the sword, and usually, the programmer. -Jennifer Nolan Suika no hmpg ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 12:16:27 +1100 (EST) From: Catherine A Murdoch To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Fertility of companions Message-ID: yes, Companions _do_ breed. When Elspeth was a child and just outgrowing her "Brat" stage she helped Talia when one of the Companion mares was giving birth. -- -- Catherine Murdoch | Internet: ulcam-+AT+-dewey.newcastle.edu.au Auchmuty Library | Ph (intl+61+49) 217147 University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA | Fax (intl+61+49) 215833 "If man could be crossed with a cat, it would improve man, but it would deteriorate the cat." - Mark Twain ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 12:24:41 +1100 (EST) From: Catherine A Murdoch To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Elves... Message-ID: Also see the book "Elvenbane" and its sequel "Elvenblood" by Andre Norton and Misty. The elves in those books weren't nice types either. -- -- Catherine Murdoch | Internet: ulcam-+AT+-dewey.newcastle.edu.au Auchmuty Library | Ph (intl+61+49) 217147 University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA | Fax (intl+61+49) 215833 "If man could be crossed with a cat, it would improve man, but it would deteriorate the cat." - Mark Twain ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Nov 1995 18:31:29 -0700 (MDT) From: Kitty Watermelon To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Memory & Books bio Message-ID: I was recently cleaning out my book-shelves in one of my regrettable `neat-freak-fever' sessions, and I found alot of books that I read even before Narnia. By Ruth Chew: _Summer Magic_, _Magic in the Park_, etc. By E.B. White: _Stuart Little_, _Charlotte's Web_, and, by someone else, a large collection of "Little's" stories. I have trouble remembering how much fantasy/sci fi I have actually read in my short life time, but I do know that my first book was most decidedly _not_ either. The first book I ever read was something along the lines of "Old McDonald", and I really liked it when I was 6 or 7. Even before that my grandmother read me stories from "The Little Book of Fairy Tales", which came very close to being evil stories, and I still have a pop-up book about the elves, and how wicked they are, and why not to go near hills. I wonder where I get my odd streak from......Anywho, I guess those were some of my actual "firsts". I never would have thought about this, or felt that my memory was so inadequate if it weren't for you guys.....should I be glad? I think I should add this, as it seems to me a very delightful thought. Throughout my life, my entire family has read. Not to me, oh no, but to themselves. The books have always been far more important than me. Not that I'm bitter. I got my love for reading, and, consequently, my books, from them. My mother's mother is a romance novel reader, she started me on bodice-rippers, my father's mother read those fairy tales and Oz stories. My mother read just about everything, every spare moment, and my brother taught my how to walk with a book in my face. He didn't get very good grades, though....My step-father has only just this year gotten really involved in ML, and he reads alot of histories, mainly. Ugh! He is also the only one who thinks we actually need a TV, and he's a slob (well, I'm a teensy bit bitter after all). So all along I have seen everyone reading. Imagine my jealousy. I had to see what was so good, what I was missing. And since friends were fairly rare (their mothers had such odd reactions to playing slave and master. Hmmm.), I learned to treasure my books all the more. I've always been more into adults then kids and teens, anyway. They seem to have a better grasp of the social structure, and its non-existance. I guess my way of thinking differs too greatly from the teens. I believe that the poor are always poor, and the rich are always rich. To my peers, mostly upper-middle-class, I am poor, but they don't think they're rich. To street-people, and/or most of my parents' friends, I am well-off. It depends on where you are. Since Mr. C has always been upper-class, he sees himself as lower than the rich. But nobody ever really thinks that they are richer than others. It isn't pleasant to think that way. I am reminded of a cartoon. "Now remember, Mamoro, eat you rice. There are children in America starving." The sad part is that this cartoon is partially correct. Sorry if I ramble, I had to get that off my shoulders. And sorry if, like me, you looked at this huge long letter, and wanted to kill the writter, who is making you read so much. My family has been mainly teachers. My grandma (mothers), my grandfathers, and my mom. Probably me too, someday. So we ramble. I am one of the first that understands English, (the study, and sometimes the language.) so I am our best hope so far. I also happen to hate those classes. Romeo and Juliet made so much more sense before the teacher explained it. :( But I ramble once more. I must leave, lest my hands attack the keys without my mind guiding. Zoe Guin {(*j*)} kitty-+AT+-unm.edu The computer is mightier than the pen, the sword, and usually, the programmer. -Jennifer Nolan Suika no hmpg ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Nov 1995 22:37:33 -0500 (EST) From: Absolut Flaming To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Elves... Message-ID: Another book/series that has very interesting elven characters is the "Wizardry" books by Rick Cook (also in his _Mall Purchase Night_...OhMyGod, I just realized why he picked that title...it is a play on Walpurgis Night!). His elves are definitely not human: very alien and dangerous. Kenny Kenneth Allen Hyde | No matter how subtle the wizard, a knife Univ. of Delaware | between the shoulder blades will seriously Dept. of Linguistics | cramp his style -- Old Jhereg proverb kenny-+AT+-strauss.udel.edu | A mind is a terrible toy to waste! -- Me ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 09:35:19 +0000 (GMT) From: jc-+AT+-crosfield.co.uk (Jerry Cullingford) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: mindspeaking, Companions, and all that jazz Message-ID: <9511270935.AA01844-+AT+-crosfield.co.uk> > > Ah, but we do know how Companions get their names. Grove-born come > with theirs, of course the MOC comes with his, and those that are not > Grove-born tend to let their Chosen or another name them. Direct quote > somewhere.....Arrows? Hmm. I thought that most of the normal companions told their chosen their names - for example, Kero and Daren in _BTS_; I thought it tended only to be some cases without mindspeech where the herald picked the name - but I'm blanking on an exact quote, so I could be wrong :-). -Jerry -- _|_ / | Jerry Cullingford jc-+AT+-crosfield.co.uk (Work) \_|_ jc-+AT+-selune.demon.co.uk (Home) \__/ Hemel Hempstead, UK jerry-+AT+-shell.portal.com (alternate) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 09:12:32 -0500 (EST) From: s003yms-+AT+-desire.wright.edu To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Fertility of companions Message-ID: On Wed, 22 Nov 1995, David Adams wrote: > Greetings! I am a huge Mercedes Lackey fan and was hoping someone > on the list could settle an arguement. > > I say companions breed. For this I cite the arrows series (Talia > on foal watch, Rolands amorous meeting with Skif's (?) companion > whilst talia was on circuit, etc). My friend, however, is convinced > that companions are sterile. I cannot for the life of me find any > reference to this. Have I missed something or is he as nuts as I > think he is? > > Dave > companions do breed....they talked about the potency of the grove born ones in the passage you are talking about and later inthese books mentioned Cymry foaling. Also Van said in Magics Promise that Y'fandes had dropped 2 foals...(In the part where they were talking about a "channel in Theresa" that they finally realized was maternal instinct) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 10:13:34 -0500 From: AnneS3832-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Battle Dawn Message-ID: <951127101333_35271772-+AT+-emout05.mail.aol.com> Hi all- I think this is what you wanted: My crown is on my brow, My naked blade within my hand My army like a eager hound Lies waiting my command With Talia tortured, <> Revealed to them this day By all the stars that ever shone, For all the gods **known and unknown** For Herald Kris & my Queen's Own I swear that you will pay! Hope this helps . . . . Now, can anyone help me with the words to _The Cost of The Crown_? -grin- Anne annes3832-+AT+-aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 12:50:21 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine Osborne To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Battle Dawn Message-ID: On Mon, 27 Nov 1995 AnneS3832-+AT+-aol.com wrote: > Now, can anyone help me with the words to _The Cost of The Crown_? Check the back of your "Arrow's Fall" book ;) IIRC, the lyrics to that one are in there. I\/ Catherine Osborne "After great pain, I\/ Sundancer a formal feeling comes." I cosborne-+AT+-sidwell.edu --Emily Dickinson I http://www.sidwell.edu/~cosborne/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 12:51:55 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine Osborne To: mercedes lackey list Subject: settling an old dispute Message-ID: does anyone remember the argument as to the identity of Tashir's Companion, referred to by all as Ghost or Lesh'ya? Guess what? While rereading Magic's Promise, I happened to notice what I think is the one reference in all three books to the true name: it's Nerya. This is when Tashir comes to Van in the proverbial middle of the night and asks him to make love. At the end of their (long) conversation, Vanyel tells him to (approximate quote): "Go have another talk with Jervis, go riding with Nerya, [do something else]." Oops. Bell rang. Physics class. Argh. Talk later ;) (Oh yeah. Just got my storm rising book back. It says Rolan can mindspeak many non-gifted's at once, but it would take great effort. quote tomorrow. *Really* late now ;) I\/ Catherine Osborne "After great pain, I\/ Sundancer a formal feeling comes." I cosborne-+AT+-sidwell.edu --Emily Dickinson I http://www.sidwell.edu/~cosborne/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 18:36:55 GMT From: mel (Melanie Dymond Harper) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: settling an old dispute Message-ID: <9511271836.AA07326-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk> > Guess what? While rereading Magic's Promise, I happened to notice what > I think is the one reference in all three books to the true name: it's > Nerya. This is when Tashir comes to Van in the proverbial middle of > the night and asks him to make love. At the end of their (long) > conversation, Vanyel tells him to (approximate quote): "Go have > another talk with Jervis, go riding with Nerya, [do something else]." I always read this as referring to the girl in which Tashir had shown some interest -- one of the young girls at Forst Reach... Mel. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 20:28:55 +0100 From: mikkell-+AT+-cybernet.dk (Mikkel Larsen) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: settling an old dispute Message-ID: <9511271932.AA10429-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk> Catherine Osborne wrote >does anyone remember the argument as to the identity of Tashir's >Companion, referred to by all as Ghost or Lesh'ya? > >Guess what? While rereading Magic's Promise, I happened to notice what >I think is the one reference in all three books to the true name: it's >Nerya. This is when Tashir comes to Van in the proverbial middle of >the night and asks him to make love. At the end of their (long) >conversation, Vanyel tells him to (approximate quote): "Go have >another talk with Jervis, go riding with Nerya, [do something else]." I have always thought that Nerya is the fourteenyear old niece who Tashir is interested in. Looking forward to the quote. Mikkel Larsen (mikkell-+AT+-cybernet.dk) ------------------------------ End of MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 248 *********************************