MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 254 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Heralds and Healers, Companion fertility by "Sanna Koulu" 2) Re: Companions... a thought by Catherine Osborne 3) Re: multiple personalities by jc-+AT+-crosfield.co.uk (Jerry Cullingford) 4) Re: Companions... a thought by Heather Mina 5) Re: re- myriad subjects by Heather Mina 6) Re: Randale's illness by "Sanna Koulu" 7) Re: Shavri and Companions by "Sanna Koulu" 8) Re: A Whole Other Question -+AT+- Shavri by s003yms-+AT+-desire.wright.edu 9) Re: Tashir's companion (oops) by s003yms-+AT+-desire.wright.edu 10) Re: chemistry people by s003yms-+AT+-desire.wright.edu 11) Sheep by Joan Ferguson 12) Stefan and Gala by "Starhawk" 13) Re: order of writing by s003yms-+AT+-desire.wright.edu 14) HIV and AIDS in Valdemar by "Starhawk" 15) Re: re- Randales Disease by s003yms-+AT+-desire.wright.edu 16) Re: re- myriad subjects by s003yms-+AT+-desire.wright.edu 17) Re: Randale's illness by Jennifer Broekman 18) Re: multiple personalities by Tammy Harris 19) Re: re- myriad subjects by s003yms-+AT+-desire.wright.edu 20) Re: Heralds and Healers by "Sanna Koulu" 21) Re: Companions... a thought by Irene Chen 22) Re: multiple personalities by Rosario Holsen-Baker 23) Re: Companions... a thought by Jennifer Broekman 24) Re: Randale's illness by Sunfalcon ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 14:39:52 EET From: "Sanna Koulu" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Heralds and Healers, Companion fertility Message-ID: <132226F0891-+AT+-otdk.helsinki.fi> Jenneke wrote: > On Tue, 28 Nov 1995, Sanna Koulu wrote: > > I was just leafing through old postings, and started thinking of > > Shavri's bonding. WHY was it weaker than other H-C bonds? After all, > > Shavri was an accomplished Mindspeaker. Is it because she was a > > Pardon my memory, but can someone give me a reference to Shavri being an > accomplished MindSpeaker? I've always had the feeling that she was > marginal at best and didn't really *want* to use what Gift she had. It's in MPromise, when Vanyel goes to see Jisa. Shavri uses Mindspeech perfectly fluently, and it's remarked that _Randale_ isn't that good a Mindspeaker. Maybe you're confusing the two of them? -Seanna ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 07:50:36 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine Osborne To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Companions... a thought Message-ID: On Wed, 29 Nov 1995 s003yms-+AT+-desire.wright.edu wrote: > somehow with the mind a companion has i think it might feel a little to > them like you having sex with a sheep (no offense intendeed0 Frankly, my dear, its been so long that both you *and* sheep are starting to look good. I\/ Catherine Osborne "After great pain, I\/ Sundancer a formal feeling comes." I cosborne-+AT+-sidwell.edu --Emily Dickinson I http://www.sidwell.edu/~cosborne/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 13:30:44 +0000 (GMT) From: jc-+AT+-crosfield.co.uk (Jerry Cullingford) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: multiple personalities Message-ID: <9511301330.AA01596-+AT+-crosfield.co.uk> > Lavaan didn't, *Lavan* did! Like there's a big difference there... > I wouldn't be surprised. It sounds about right. Also, does anyone else > see something vaguely familiar about "Renthorn" as an antagonist? I seem > to remember seeing that name somewhere...or maybe it's just the lack of > sleep. You may be thinking of "Rathorn" from P.C. Hodgell's Jame books. At least that's the only similar name I can think of offhand. (Rathorn = armored carnivorous horselike thingy). -- _|_ / | Jerry Cullingford jc-+AT+-crosfield.co.uk (Work) \_|_ jc-+AT+-selune.demon.co.uk (Home) \__/ Hemel Hempstead, UK jerry-+AT+-shell.portal.com (alternate) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Nov 95 08:36:26 GMT+0000 From: Heather Mina To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Companions... a thought Message-ID: <9511301338.AA17812-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk> jenneke writes (on the ongoing topic of Companion <--> horse matings) : >It is considered wrong to have sex with the profoundly retarded, on the >theory that they haven't the faintest idea what's happening and can't give >meaningful consent. Also, Companions and horses aren't even as close in >intelligence as people of average intelligence and the profoundly retarded >who can speak enough to say 'yes', whether they understand it or not. >We're talking about (to degenerate into D&D terms) someone of Intelligence >> 12 having sex with someone of Intelligence 0, when we talk about >Companions and horses... Horses are more than "a little slow" when >compared to Companions. Now the question arises... What happens if a very strong stallion overcomes a very weak Companion filly? (The underriding question being - do Companion fillies smell like they're in heat to horses? If not, then the above would probably never happen). Okay - enough! I'll stop now... Heather ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~ A friend is someone who understands your past, believes in ~ ~ in your future, and accepts you today just the way you are. ~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Heather Mina ..... hlmina-+AT+-vwc.edu ..... heamin-+AT+-sunshine.vab.unisysgsg.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Nov 95 09:06:46 GMT+0000 From: Heather Mina To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: re- myriad subjects Message-ID: <9511301408.AA18671-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk> Seanna writes... >Also, Shavri said that (when talking to Vanyel in MPrice) "Randale >won't even live till 40!" and said his family was long-lived. That >seems to rule out hereditary illnesses. Oh yes, there's also some >worry about whether Jisa and ? have it. Don't forget that Randale was sterile, so Vanyel (not Randale) is Jisa's father. If the illness is hereditary, then it has died out with Randale. And I apologize for the poor choice of words there... Heather ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~ A friend is someone who understands your past, believes in ~ ~ in your future, and accepts you today just the way you are. ~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Heather Mina ..... hlmina-+AT+-vwc.edu ..... heamin-+AT+-sunshine.vab.unisysgsg.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 16:18:47 EET From: "Sanna Koulu" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Randale's illness Message-ID: <133C8B0360E-+AT+-otdk.helsinki.fi> Jaguar wrote: (Owl wrote:) > > AIDS is a > > possibility, I guess, but where would it have come from--and wouldn't > > others have caught it? Perhaps Shavri wouldn't have, if she used her > > healing powers, but wouldn't Randale have had to had sex with someone > > to catch it? > > It's an interesting possibility though... > > Not....not necessarily, I think, if it was planted by Leareth. He > could have gotten it from an outbreak in the north where he was, then > used the same kind of reverse healing seen in MPromise to infect Randale. Hhm. I don't think this theory holds water. Healing seems to require close contact. And the reverse Healing Vanyel did wasn't "real", I mean, it wasn't a real form of the illness it counterfeited. I think. And besides, if Leareth could do that to Randale, why not Vanyel? Or Savil? Being a Mage doesn't, I think, protect against (reverse) Healing. Or does it? I mean, why go to the trouble of killing them in elaborate ways, one by one, if you could just infect them in their teens and have them die before 40. Ok, it's slow, but Leareth had time... - Seanna ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 16:35:13 EET From: "Sanna Koulu" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Shavri and Companions Message-ID: <1340F0E65DB-+AT+-otdk.helsinki.fi> Kaatje wrote: > On Thu, 30 Nov 1995 01:16:48 GMT, > Kerry Mealing wrote: (snip) > (this is me) > >>--but I do think that she > >> could have been more respectful of Jisa's decision once it was all > >> explained to her. Sure, Jisa was only 15, but she knew what she was > >> doing and she had well thought out reasons. I think Shavri should have > >> been able to realize that and at least tried to work it out instead of > >> going straight for the emotional sobs and finger-pointing. > > (Kerry) > >Consider.. any child totally overturning > >her/his parents' views of them & their future, at age 15, had better > >expect some emotional reaction. (....) > >Doesn't matter how logical or right the action may be, very few people > >react logically to such a big shock. > > Quite true--however, considering that Jisa and Treven (?) are lifebonded, I > still think Shavri should be more understanding. A big shock, yes, but > still, I think rather expected or more admissible in this instance. Again, > I think it was Shavri's hysterics that put me off this one. Oh? I was always emotionally on Shavri's side. I think she was behaving quite reasonably (I wouldn't want my daughter to marry at 15! if I ever had one, that is..), and I think that Jisa and Treven (thanks for reminding meof the name) behaved irresponsibly and inconsiderately. Stupidly, too. Ok, they had their reasons, but come on! Why is it so important to get married? Vanyel and Stefen survived perfectly well without getting married. Jisa and Treven could well have waited some, or tried to convince their parents, etc. > (me again) > >> >From my point of view, she's not going on by linking with Randale. She's > >> making sure she won't have to go on alone, and she's not considering > >> anyone but Randi and herself when she makes this decision. I don't > >> believe in suicide as a viable option in this instance. She has things > >> to live for and duties to perform, and it seems to me that she's shirking > >> those responsibilites. Again, consider Lendel. Consider Vanyel. Consider Stefen. They all attempted suicide. (and tried to shirk their duties!). Now, what duties does Shavri have? Her primary duty, the reason why she was Chosen (and did she get any say about that, hmm?) was to take care of Randale. It's not like she's vitally necessary to Valdemar. If she wanted to kill herself, that's her business. (snip) > >> 's e do bheatha > > > >Please translate, I know it's Quenya but I'm not that good at it. :) > > Nope, it's not Quenya (although I'd love to be able to learn that > somehow--hey, maybe that will be my life's work!) Isn't quenya the one based on Gaelic, though? And sindar on Finnish? or is it the other way around? > It's an old form of Gaelic. It's a basic greeting and farewell, and it > means "Life to you" Life to you, too :) -Seanna ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 10:12:34 -0500 (EST) From: s003yms-+AT+-desire.wright.edu To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: A Whole Other Question -+AT+- Shavri Message-ID: On Wed, 29 Nov 1995 ARisemberg-+AT+-eworld.com wrote: > Hello, all. I hope everyone had a lovely Turkey-day! :-) > > You know, I have always wondered why Shavri had to be Monarch's Own Herald > rather than just an ordinary Herald (Vanyel would hate the way I just phrased > that! ). I understand that she needed a Companion to supplement her > healing energies, but why MOC? > > Then, reading all kinds of other posted stuff about Shavri's bond, etc, it > occured to me that maybe it was because the Companions knew from the start > that she would not be a Herald for long, whether because she would die with > Randale or because she would be unnecessary without him after he died. This > way, if she died, her Companion would not have to die with her, and if she > simply became superfluous as a Herald, her Companion would be free to Choose > again. > > What do the rest of you think? Does that ring true? > > Wind to thy wings, > > -- Alice -- > I always thought this is because randale could not live without her, literally. Van was the most powerful in the circle but he could not prolong Randales life for all that ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 10:15:39 -0500 (EST) From: s003yms-+AT+-desire.wright.edu To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Tashir's companion (oops) Message-ID: On Wed, 29 Nov 1995, James T. Yardley wrote: > shoot me - it somehow didn't occur to me that Nerya could still be a male's > name. ok, so i'm just as prejudiced as everyone else :> > > - Meg > > actually not prejudiced. It is the way most languages in the real world are set up. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 10:17:55 -0500 (EST) From: s003yms-+AT+-desire.wright.edu To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: chemistry people Message-ID: On Wed, 29 Nov 1995, Kathy Covert wrote: > This list is so accepting of alternative lifestyle choices (religions, > sexualities, etc.) that I thought I'd take a chance and reveal... > > that I too am a chemistry person, even worse a **chemistry professor** > > will you all still let me play? > > Back when I was reading Anne McCaffrey I was thrilled to learn that she > also has a chemistry background. I read science fiction partly for the > science of it, or the logic in creating a new world with rules very > different from our own. I love Ursula LeGuin's work (especially her early > books) for this reason. > > I have recently started reading Dana Stabenow- started with her Kate Shugak > mysteries and was shocked when I found her science fiction -- Second Star, > A Handful of Stars, and Red Planet Run. I recommend both the mysteries and > the scifi. Stabenow (in common with Misty) creates strong, believable, > interesting female characters and societies where gender doesn't seem to be > limiting what her protagonists can/will do. There's enough good science > sprinkled through Stabenow's book to make me think that she probably has a > chemistry background as well [ or maybe she just had a good chemistry > professor ;-) ] > > Kathy > > Kathy Covert (kcovert-+AT+-wvnvm.wvnet.edu) > Chemistry Department > West Virginia University > (304)293-3435 x4442 > > > Of course you can still play! were not a bunch of high school students. One of my goals in life is to teach in a college in my chosen field ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 10:20:53 -0500 From: Joan Ferguson To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Sheep Message-ID: <199511301520.KAA20402-+AT+-elmer.Harvard.EDU> >> somehow with the mind a companion has i think it might feel a little to >> them like you having sex with a sheep (no offense intendeed0 > >Frankly, my dear, its been so long that both you *and* sheep are starting >to look good. > > Pick the sheep - they don't snore! :-) (bad paraphrase, I know, of one of my all-time favorite Misty Moments (TM) -- another is Kero's choice words at discovering that Daren had arrived with troops (especially the part about the mule) -- anyone else have others? Could this be yet another thread?!) Joan :-) joan_ferguson-+AT+-harvard.edu Harvard University Library Preservation Office "Instead of loving your enemies,treat your friends a little better." -Edgar Watson Howe (1853-1937) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 10:19:14 EST From: "Starhawk" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Stefan and Gala Message-ID: Kerry (mealink-+AT+-syd.au.swissbank.com) wrote: > Stefan didn't have identified gifts. I agree with what you said >though. >I'd never thought of it before, but I find it pretty sad that Gala and >Stefan didn't reconcile (at least after his death).. Might have been a >bit soap-opera'ish, but hey, I'm a romantic at heart. Hmmm. Wouldn't that make quite the interesting short story, though? What if Gala came back (yes, I know AGAIN)? I mean, think about it, her work was obviously cut just a tad short. So, how about a meeting between her "this-time-around" and Stefan? Maybe he had to accompany some Herald someplace and the Herald or Companion (I think, at this point, these spirits can come back as either) and Stef have a minor [ahem] personality conflict with its roots in 'Lendel and Gala? Hmmm. I really need to send away for those release forms. [grin] Lyn Lyn Belzer * P.O. Box 234 St. Bonaventure, NY 14778 * 716/379-3034 ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* Don't don't tell me no/I want you to take my hand/Never ever let it go/Even if I make you mad/Darling every bit of love you give/You will get more back/If you believe it...You make me laugh like it's forever/And cry like I have never/You heal my pain.... -Sophie B. Hawkins, "Don't Don't Tell Me No" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 10:28:57 -0500 (EST) From: s003yms-+AT+-desire.wright.edu To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: order of writing Message-ID: On Wed, 29 Nov 1995, Staci Schoenfeld wrote: > At 10:20 PM 11/29/95 GMT, FyreHawke wrote: > >On Wed, 29 Nov 1995, jacob clifton wrote: > > > >> > >> On Wed, 29 Nov 1995, Tina Newman R wrote: > >> > >> and just as interestingly, what order would you recommend someone read > >> them in (this has probably been discussed ad nauseum already...)? I'm > >> thinking, Talia, then Vanyel, then Vows/Kero, and then go into Elspeth's > >> stuff, but wouldn't Arrows/Winds/Storms be more appropriate? Then do the > >> Vows/Kero stuff, which i think of as a trilogy, really, and then back up > >> to Gryphon (which i haven't read--lowdown?) and Vanyel. > >> > >> Unless there's a reason you think they'd like tLH-M first, if you see what > >> i mean... > >> > >I would actually prpose reading them in chronlogical order myself..... > >that way you get all the history as you read along...... the writing will > >be a bit erratic, but I'd rather have the history... > > Funny, I just had this conversation with a woman in a bookstore that I was > recommending the Velgarth books to (another lackey follower in the making :) > ) -- Here is what I recommended and why -- > > Last Herald-Mage Trilogy (Vanyel et al) > Vows and Honor Duology (Tarma and Kethry) > Hearalds of Valdemar (Talia) > By the Sword (Kerowyn) -- Logically this fits in better AFTER Talia's story > Mage Winds > Mage Wars/Mage Storms -- simultaneously since the prehistory is what is > directly affecting the current situation on Velgarth and that will keep it > straighter in someone's mind and since neither trilogy is completed > > So, that is the order I would recommend. > Staci > ------------------------------------------------------- > Staci Schoenfeld http://www.zoom.com/personal/staci/staci1.htm > > thanks to everyone who has replied to my question....I actuallly have read all the velgarth books several times they are like old friends now. anytime i have nothing else to read i can always go back to them they never get old ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 10:28:40 EST From: "Starhawk" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: HIV and AIDS in Valdemar Message-ID: Hi everybody!! Wow...two posts in one day...can we tell Lyn is avoiding homework again? >> > The other thing I could think of, although how he got it and how >> > Shavri didn't would be a trick, was AIDS. It has a great deal of the same >> > "wasting away" ...stuff and sypmtoms about it. It could also account for >> > the "something wrong" Van and 'Fandes sensed earlier, he could have been >> > HIV+ then. Any other theories? I always thought Randale died of a disease resembling AIDS too. Especially as it, along with child abuse, seems to be one of the issues Misty likes to address in her books. (Remember Lenny in the Di Tregarde books?) >> I always thought Misty did some literary fiddling with the disease though: such as making it non-sexually transmitted. I didn't think Shavri was ever sick. However this is an interesting theory (Roll clip, please...) >> An alternate theory is that Shavri is enough of a healer for her body >> to have rejected the HIV virus [1] out of hand (at a level below that which >> conscious healing is possible). If this were the case, it could be >> that Randale *wasn't* sterile, but that to reject the virus, Shavri's >> body was preventing Randale impregnating her. Since the Healing Gift is one of the least talked about in technical terms (where it comes from, what causes it might have, how it affects the personality/physiology of the "owner") this is a distinct possibility. Shavri *was* a very strong Healer, if I remember correctly. Wasn't she pretty high up in the House of Healing before she got Chosen? > Ack! (smacking- self- on- forehead sound) I forgot about that. Please don't do that. You'll hurt yourself. :) >That's probably why she didn't get it. Either what you're saying, or it >automatically healed her...or maybe it just kept up with the virus's >destruction of her T-cells. Another good theory. Welp, that's all for now.... *Lyn goes back to slaving over her John Donne presentation* On a funny note that some of you other students can appreciate, I had a friend email me a one line note: "Are you dead?" My response: "No...just a graduate student." Lyn Lyn Belzer * P.O. Box 234 St. Bonaventure, NY 14778 * 716/379-3034 ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* Don't don't tell me no/I want you to take my hand/Never ever let it go/Even if I make you mad/Darling every bit of love you give/You will get more back/If you believe it...You make me laugh like it's forever/And cry like I have never/You heal my pain.... -Sophie B. Hawkins, "Don't Don't Tell Me No" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 10:37:12 -0500 (EST) From: s003yms-+AT+-desire.wright.edu To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: re- Randales Disease Message-ID: I can think of one right now AIDS. Misty is really fond of including things on AIDS in her books too . look at the Di Tregarde books n Thu, 30 Nov 1995, Korendil wrote: > > Don't get me wrong: her Lifebonded was dying > >and she had no idea why; > I've always wondered, does anyone know WHAT Randale died of? Did Misty just > make up a disease, or did she use one from RL? I once asked my (doctor) > foather, citing his symptoms, and the only thing he thoguht of right off > the bat was radiation.... > > >"I may be treading dangerous waters here, but I didn't think Shavri > >made a very good King's Own at all." > I don't think so....IMHO, Misty made it clear that she was totally unfit > for the job, and only there to keep Randale whose intelligence was > desparately needed, alive. Hmm....anyone else feel that Misty used her a > something to help the plot, and then tried (IMO, not so successfully) to > make her a tragic figure in Valdemaran History? > > > I just hope that the Concordance will explain all...when it comes > out, that is! Do NOT trust Firebird; the catalog might not SAY its still in > the works, but when I ordered it was 'backordered'....I don't- > -+AT+-#*-+AT+-#*-+AT+-#*-+AT+-#*-+AT+-#*-+AT+-#*-+AT+-#*-+AT+-#*-+AT+-#*-+AT+-#*-+AT+-#*-+AT+-#*-+AT+-#*-+AT+-#*-+AT+-#*-+AT+-#*-+AT+-#*-+AT+-#*-+AT+-#*-+AT+-#*-+AT+-#*-+AT+-#*-+AT+-#*-+AT+- > Oh Elbereth, watch over me while I play the game of life with fate and > destiny... > -The Palantir -From Journey of The Dunadan -By Glass Hammer > Ubi nihil erit quod scribas, it ipsum scribito > Even if you have nothing to write, write and say so. > -Cicero > -+AT+-#*-+AT+-#*-+AT+-#*-+AT+-#*-+AT+-#*-+AT+-#*-+AT+-#*-+AT+-#*-+AT+-#*-+AT+-#*-+AT+-#*-+AT+-#*-+AT+-#*-+AT+-#*-+AT+-#*-+AT+-#*-+AT+-#*-+AT+-#*-+AT+-#*-+AT+-#*-+AT+-#*-+AT+-#*-+AT+-#*-+AT+- > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 10:45:28 -0500 (EST) From: s003yms-+AT+-desire.wright.edu To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: re- myriad subjects Message-ID: On Thu, 30 Nov 1995, Rosario Holsen-Baker wrote: > Korendil said: > after ____ said: > > > Don't get me wrong: her Lifebonded was dying > > >and she had no idea why; > > I've always wondered, does anyone know WHAT Randale died of? Did Misty just > > make up a disease, or did she use one from RL? I once asked my (doctor) > > foather, citing his symptoms, and the only thing he thoguht of right off > > the bat was radiation.... > > > The other thing I could think of, although how he got it and how > Shavri didn't would be a trick, was AIDS. It has a great deal of the same > "wasting away" ...stuff and sypmtoms about it. It could also account for > the "something wrong" Van and 'Fandes sensed earlier, he could have been > HIV+ then. Any other theories? > > |--------------------------------<>------------------------------| > | Three rings for the elven kings under the sky | > | Seven for the dwarves in their halls of stone | > | Nine for the mortal men, doomed to die | > | One for the dark lord on his dark throne.... | > |---------------------http://www.sidwell.edu/~rholsen--------------------| > > > Not all lovers of those who have HIV contract the disease but the percentage of those who do not is very small. Other possibilities are cancer, a chronic form of tuberculosis (it wouldnt kill him as quick because of the healers) and loads of others. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 10:57:30 -0500 (EST) From: Jennifer Broekman To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Randale's illness Message-ID: On Thu, 30 Nov 1995, Rosario Holsen-Baker wrote: > Not....not necessarily, I think, if it was planted by Leareth. He > could have gotten it from an outbreak in the north where he was, then > used the same kind of reverse healing seen in MPromise to infect Randale. In _MPromise_, Medren has to be exposed to the virus in order to get sick. What Vanyel does just depresses his immune system so that he's guaranteed to be infected and show symptoms quickly. If the same technique were used by Leareth, he'd still have to arrange for Randale to be exposed to the virus. Personally, I'd vote for an autoimmune disease of some kind. They're only mildly hereditary, they're difficult to diagnose much less treat, they can easily be both deadly and a cause of sterility, and they don't require exposure to a virus to trigger them. -jenneke jsb-+AT+-phantom.com new .sig in development ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 10:57:58 -0500 From: Tammy Harris To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: multiple personalities Message-ID: <760DC3F1212-+AT+-medicine.dmed.iupui.edu> On Nov 30, Stacey wrote: > "So it had gone down through centuries, taking new bodies and taking > on other names. Krawlven. Renthorn. Geslaken. Leareth. Zendak." > And not to mention Ma'ar, and Mornelithe. One thing has always puzzled me about this. Why did Falconsbane not recognize the "white clad riders" (Elspeth and Skif)? He was clueless about both the Heralds and Valdemar (when Ancar mentioned it), which doesn't make sense to me, after the lifetime he spent as Leareth. Ideas? Tammy "It's time to ask yourself what you believe" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 11:04:06 -0500 (EST) From: s003yms-+AT+-desire.wright.edu To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: re- myriad subjects Message-ID: On Thu, 30 Nov 1995, Kerry Mealing wrote: > > Jaguar wrote: > > Korendil said: > > > I've always wondered, does anyone know WHAT Randale died of? Did Misty just > > > make up a disease, or did she use one from RL? I once asked my (doctor) > > > foather, citing his symptoms, and the only thing he thoguht of right off > > > the bat was radiation.... > > > > > The other thing I could think of, although how he got it and how > > Shavri didn't would be a trick, was AIDS. It has a great deal of the same > > "wasting away" ...stuff and sypmtoms about it. It could also account for > > the "something wrong" Van and 'Fandes sensed earlier, he could have been > > HIV+ then. Any other theories? > > Just asking (cos I don't know), does/can AIDS cause sterility? (Randale > was sterile remember). Perhaps this was a whole separate problem, or > something that AIDS made him vulnerable to, caused the sterility (mumps > for example). > An alternate theory is that Shavri is enough of a healer for her body > to have rejected the HIV virus [1] out of hand (at a level below that which > conscious healing is possible). If this were the case, it could be > that Randale *wasn't* sterile, but that to reject the virus, Shavri's > body was preventing Randale impregnating her. > > I know, it's a really wild theory, but hey... if I can't spout it here, > where can I? :) > > [1] Does the V in HIV stand for virus? If it does then I'm repeating myself > in saying HIV virus and must sound rather stupid.. [2] > [2] Guess who's been reading Pratchett again. :) > > Cheers, > Kerry. > > > > > > > HIV stands for Human Immunodefiency Virus....Human is stressed because there are other similar virusus that affeft other animals...ie. the Simian virus affects monkeys also as for randales father(question from another person) dying from an accident caused by leareth, Why couldnt Leareth have caused Randales disease? I was never implying that rRandale actully had HIV as we know it but that Misty could have based his disease off of it ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 18:48:36 EET From: "Sanna Koulu" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Heralds and Healers Message-ID: <136481A59BC-+AT+-otdk.helsinki.fi> Mikkel Larson wrote: > On Tue, 28 Nov 1995, Sanna Koulu wrote: > > > So, I came up with a question: why don't the Companions choose > > Healers or people with Gifts from the Healing family? It's been > > As a contemporary version of a healer,(I am a Physician Assistant in thoracic > surgery), I see a reason why healers would make poor heralds. A healer > dedicates his life to making people better, whether body, mind, or soul. > Heralds are often put in situations where they are *required* to cause harm > to other people, admittedly with cause otherwise they would not be Heralds. Yes, that's true, at least with ordinary Heralds. However, I was thinking of Herald-Healers being stationed at the palace, much the same as most Herald-Mages were. I'd say Healing people is very much in keeping with Heraldic principles, it's just that Heralds are forced to choose (between protecting someone and punishing crimes). Herald-Healers probably wouldn't have the same duties as most Heralds, and they'd probably be rather rare, but I don't see any reason for the Companions _never_ to Choose one (the only one we've seen is Shavri, and that was _very_ exceptional.) -Seanna ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 11:57:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Irene Chen To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Companions... a thought Message-ID: On Thu, 30 Nov 1995, Heather Mina wrote: > What happens if a very strong stallion overcomes a very weak Companion > filly? (The underriding question being - do Companion fillies smell like > they're in heat to horses? If not, then the above would probably never happen). I think it said somewhere that Companions are in "season" all year round, like humans, so they'd probably not have heats. irene ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 12:09:06 -0500 (EST) From: Rosario Holsen-Baker To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: multiple personalities Message-ID: I mentioned... > > Lavaan didn't, *Lavan* did! Like there's a big difference there... > > I wouldn't be surprised. It sounds about right. Also, does anyone else > > see something vaguely familiar about "Renthorn" as an antagonist? I seem > > to remember seeing that name somewhere...or maybe it's just the lack of > > sleep. > And Jerry said... > You may be thinking of "Rathorn" from P.C. Hodgell's Jame books. At least > that's the only similar name I can think of offhand. (Rathorn = armored > carnivorous horselike thingy). > No, that's not it...and I'm having a really hard time placing this! I'm not sure where it was, but it does sound familiar. And speaking of incarnations of Ma'ar, two questions. 1) Who else thought Hadanelith was Ma'ar at the very beginning of White Gryphon? 2) Does anyone else want to see a few short stories or something on the other incarnations of Ma'ar and who kicked his sorry little -+AT+-$$ each time? :) |--------------------------------<>------------------------------| | Three rings for the elven kings under the sky | | Seven for the dwarves in their halls of stone | | Nine for the mortal men, doomed to die | | One for the dark lord on his dark throne.... | |---------------------http://www.sidwell.edu/~rholsen--------------------| ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 12:34:44 -0500 (EST) From: Jennifer Broekman To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Companions... a thought Message-ID: On Thu, 30 Nov 1995, Heather Mina wrote: > Now the question arises... > What happens if a very strong stallion overcomes a very weak Companion > filly? (The underriding question being - do Companion fillies smell like > they're in heat to horses? If not, then the above would probably never >happen). He has to catch her before he can overcome her. Since Companions can run faster and jump higher than horses can, I don't think any (horse) stallion has any chance of catching a Companion who doesn't want to be caught. Also, I don't think Companion fillies leave Companion's Field, so any filly in distress would have the aid of the rest of the herd in getting rid of her unwanted suitor. -jenneke jsb-+AT+-phantom.com new .sig in development ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 14:49:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Sunfalcon To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Randale's illness Message-ID: Hey all, happy belated Turkeyday! For the record, I'd always assumed that Randale's "illness" was something that Learath was doing to him (through magic) from the base he'd set up in the north. When I read the books I thought about the possibility of some sort of nasty (but still natural) disease, but I finally decided that, even if the Healers weren't able to figure it out, the Companions would have had some sort of insights to offer. The fact that Yfandes (a Companion who we've seen is willing to bend the rules when necessary) was baffled seems to imply that Randale's condition was neither natural nor within the pool of Companion-experience. this leads to some interesting speculations. . . I can't think of any disease so pernicious as to be able to resist the amount of energy that the Healers (and Heralds with Healing Gifts) were pouring into Randale during the time of his illness. At one point in Magic's Price (right after Kilchas and the herald-Mage who liked alchemy had their "accidents"), Vanyel postulates the existence of some sort of Anti-Healing Adept who's causing the deaths. Savil pooh-poohs him, and the idea isn't taken up again, but what if Vanyel was right? Misty hits us over the head with the fact that Learath has made himself up into the perfect reverse of a Tayledras; what if his Gifts correspond too? IIRC, healing energies don't necessarily show up to Mage-Sight, so (presuming he had eithe Far-Sight or simple Mage-Sight) if Learath linked with a circle of Blood Mages and tapped into large nodes, he could conceivably pinpoint targets in Valdemar and literally mess with their minds (by popping small blood vessels in the brain, etc.) and impair their judgement (or balance, with Kilchas and Davri) at critical moments. The other possibility is this: Ma'ar was a Sorcerer Adept; it's entirely possible that Learath retained enough of his "primary memories" to be able to MAKE a virus to kill Randale. This would account for the inability of the Healers to do anything, as well as the bafflement of the Companions (who have to have amassed a vast store of knowledge on every subject since the founding of Valdemar). If Learath used some sort of biological weapon invented by Ma'ar (long before the founding of Valdemar), it would lie outside the experience of everyone (with the possible exception of Need). > Healing seems to require > close contact. And the reverse Healing Vanyel did wasn't "real", I > mean, it wasn't a real form of the illness it counterfeited. I think. > And besides, if Leareth could do that to Randale, why not Vanyel? Or > Savil? Being a Mage doesn't, I think, protect against (reverse) > Healing. Or does it? I mean, why go to the trouble of killing them in > elaborate ways, one by one, if you could just infect them in their > teens and have them die before 40. Ok, it's slow, but Leareth had > time... This is pulled from left field, but it's possible that node-energy, in addition to all of its other wonderful effects, offers some protection from disease (whether natural or magical). Don't Tayledras Healing Adepts enjoy perfect health up until a few weeks before they die? Lastly, did anyone else find it strange that, during the entire course of his illness, neither Savil nor Vanyel thought to ask the Tayledras for help? Magic's Pawn centers around a situation in which the entire Healer's Collegium is unable to cure their patient, but which the Hawkbrothers fix almost immediately. If Randale was suffering from some sort of anti-Healing, who better to determine that than the world's most powerful Healing Adepts? If the disease was cancer, who better to call than the Mages who live in the closest Velgarthian analogue of a radioactive wasteland? Cheers, The Wordsmith of Irymar ------------------------------ End of MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 254 *********************************