MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 259 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Other stories I'd like to see Misty write by Queen of the Darned 2) Re: Other stories I'd like to see Misty write by avalon-+AT+-post.dungeon.com 3) Re: Misty Filk reviews by Erica Neely 4) Re: Other stories I'd like to see Misty write by "Eric M. Scarazzo" 5) Re: MERCEDES-LACKEY digest 258 by rubin-+AT+-cent.com (Korendil) 6) Tashir's companion by MIKE278485-+AT+-aol.com 7) Re: MERCEDES-LACKEY digest 257 by Tina Newman R 8) Re: Tashir's companion by Rosario Holsen-Baker 9) It was a Dark and Stormy Night by owl 10) Re: MERCEDES-LACKEY digest 257 by "Kristin A. Ruhle" 11) Re: Other stories I'd like to see Misty write by avalon-+AT+-post.dungeon.com 12) Re: A few points by 'Live Long and Prosper' 13) Re: Misty Filk reviews by "Sanna Koulu" 14) Re: multiple personalities by "Sanna Koulu" 15) Re: Misty Filk reviews by Catherine Osborne 16) Re: MERCEDES-LACKEY digest 258 by s003yms-+AT+-desire.wright.edu 17) re:sexuality survey by Catherine Osborne 18) Re: Tashir's companion by s003yms-+AT+-desire.wright.edu 19) Re: A few points by s003yms-+AT+-desire.wright.edu 20) Leslac by mikkell-+AT+-cybernet.dk (Mikkel Larsen) 21) twins or consorts by CHONNI 22) Re: Tashir's companion by CHONNI ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 3 Dec 1995 16:25:50 -0500 (EST) From: Queen of the Darned To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Other stories I'd like to see Misty write Message-ID: Well, I just finished re-reading the Arrows trilogy, and I think I'd really like to read some stories about Dirk and Kris and their activities previous to Arrows (or during some of the 5 year periods Misty skips). Kris keeps claiming he and Dirk have gotten into and out of tighter scrapes, and I, for one, would like to hear more about them. :) Sorry if this has come up recently and I've missed it, but my brain's been foggy with this cold. I could see this like a bunch of short stories such as Tarma and Kethry's adventures. Oh, well. I can dream, can't I? Have fun! Jenny <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> "Well, then, if you do not wish death, how about a rubber chicken?" -- Beeker as the Serious Figure in Gummo Bergman's "Silent Strawberries" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Dec 1995 23:08:40 +0000 From: avalon-+AT+-post.dungeon.com To: Queen of the Darned , Subject: Re: Other stories I'd like to see Misty write Message-ID: <199512032308.XAA29716-+AT+-gate.dungeon.com> > Well, I just finished re-reading the Arrows trilogy, and I think I'd > really like to read some stories about Dirk and Kris and their > activities previous to Arrows (or during some of the 5 year periods > Misty skips). Kris keeps claiming he and Dirk have gotten into and > out of tighter scrapes, and I, for one, would like to hear more > about them. :) > > Sorry if this has come up recently and I've missed it, but my > brain's been foggy with this cold. I could see this like a bunch of > short stories such as Tarma and Kethry's adventures. Oh, well. I > can dream, can't I? > > Have fun! > > Jenny > Personally I would prefer to here stories about Savil and he Tayledras. I mean I would love to know how she met tham in the first place and how she became a wingsister. David Ramsden ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Dec 1995 23:34:47 +0000 (GMT) From: Erica Neely To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Misty Filk reviews Message-ID: On Sun, 3 Dec 1995, Mat Timmerman wrote: > Leslie Fish has a truly grating voice. The only song that she sings Och, them's fightin' words, laddie. Seriously, though, I have yet to hear a filksinger who people have such split opinions on! I happen to love her voice, but I've found it's very much a matter of taste. I've yet to find anyone who dislikes heather alexander's voice, though. Anyone out there? erica ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Dec 95 20:49:46 EST From: "Eric M. Scarazzo" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Other stories I'd like to see Misty write Message-ID: <199512040150.UAA24330-+AT+-uva.pcmail.Virginia.EDU> I second the suggestion about Savil and the Tayledras. She's named wingsister and is the only person in Valdemar to know the Tayledras but how the heck did she "bump into" them? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Dec 1995 22:08:16 -0600 From: rubin-+AT+-cent.com (Korendil) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: MERCEDES-LACKEY digest 258 Message-ID: >Um, since when did we think that the Star-Eyed and Vkandis were twins. >Consorts yes, twins no. Um...ever since Winds of Fate? It might just be me, but, uh, didn't the gods Need spoke of remind ANYONE of those two? Personally, I wonder if everything has just gotten muddled,or gotten clearer as time goes on? Either Need is right and they're twins, or the Karsites and Shin'a'in are right and they are consorts... >Well, didn't Roald marry Leslac off to some Valdemaran noblewoman to get >him off of Tarma and Kethry's backs? (not that I think he wrote the >song though) He did? Thats how long ago I read that one... I BARELY remember it...and only that thanx to to the time we discussed that fight Keth had w/ the Rethwellan mage on the mountain... >Well, that's it. Long winded, aren't I? Any thoughts anyone? Wow...not only must of that been uttterly time consuming, but I agreed w/ all of it! -+AT+-#*-+AT+-#*-+AT+-#*-+AT+-#*-+AT+-#*-+AT+-#*-+AT+-#*-+AT+-#*-+AT+-#*-+AT+-#*-+AT+-#*-+AT+-#*-+AT+-#*-+AT+-#*-+AT+-#*-+AT+-#*-+AT+-#*-+AT+-#*-+AT+-#*-+AT+-#*-+AT+-#*-+AT+-#*-+AT+-#*-+AT+- Oh Elbereth, watch over me while I play the game of life with fate and destiny... -The Palantir -From Journey of The Dunadan -By Glass Hammer Ubi nihil erit quod scribas, it ipsum scribito Even if you have nothing to write, write and say so. -Cicero -+AT+-#*-+AT+-#*-+AT+-#*-+AT+-#*-+AT+-#*-+AT+-#*-+AT+-#*-+AT+-#*-+AT+-#*-+AT+-#*-+AT+-#*-+AT+-#*-+AT+-#*-+AT+-#*-+AT+-#*-+AT+-#*-+AT+-#*-+AT+-#*-+AT+-#*-+AT+-#*-+AT+-#*-+AT+-#*-+AT+-#*-+AT+- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Dec 1995 22:11:41 -0500 From: MIKE278485-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Tashir's companion Message-ID: <951203221139_43339652-+AT+-mail02.mail.aol.com> Sometime last week there was a discussion of the name of Tashir's companion that was refered to as Ghost. There was some thought as to whether it was Nerya or that was the name of Vanyel's neice. I was rereading _Magic's Promise_ and came across something interesting. Sorry I can't quote the exact discussion from last week but I have already deleted those posts. This is when Vanyel has returned to the palace at Highjorune with Savil, Jervis, and Tashir. THe three heralds riding their companions and Jervis riding that stupid white stud of Mekeal's. The four of them have decided to enter the palace and to send the companions away. Vanyel has decided to put a "no see- no hear spell" on the companions. This is from pg. 268 in Promise when Yfandes is calling the others over for the spell. She has just asked if she can kick the stud if he doesn't behave. Quote: ... Vanyel grinned to himself. Other than Jervis, Yfandes had suffered the most from the stud's behavior; the beast kept trying to induce her to mate. "As much as you have to. From here to Karse if necessary. Be my guest." :Then this is not altogether an unpleasant prospect. Kellan,Leshya--: She waited for the humans to remove their packs from the saddles.... End Quote Now Kellan is Savil's companion so I think that Yfandes was calling the others over by mindspeech. She definitely would not be calling the stud so I assume the other was tashir's companion--Leshya. Michael Weber MIKE278485-+AT+-aol.com "Never try to outstubborn a cat" -Lazarus Long(R.A.Heinlein) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Dec 1995 21:33:18 -0600 (CST) From: Tina Newman R To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: MERCEDES-LACKEY digest 257 Message-ID: On Sun, 3 Dec 1995, Mat Timmerman wrote: > > > >On another totally different topic: > >Someone said that H,H,&H Songbook said that 'A Dark and Stormy Night' might > >have been written by Leslac... > > 'Cept, it was in an OLD book...Leslac's song 'Threes' had iirc, > >just entered Valdemar, and it would have been written BEFORE. Also, how > >would Leslac become a VALDEMARAN Count?! > > Well, didn't Roald marry Leslac off to some Valdemaran noblewoman to get > him off of Tarma and Kethry's backs? (not that I think he wrote the > song though) > > > Mat > accmjt-+AT+-vaxc.hofstra.edu > http://ada.hofstra.edu/~mtimme47/ > VAX is the source of all evil. > I'm confused as to where someone got the idea that Leslac wrote the song.... Yes Roald did marry him off to a Valdemaren noblewoman.... but I would seriously doubt (by the story as it's presented in the song) that poor little Leslac could ever have been popular enough to people to have warented the kind of aliibi protection that the castle folk offered to the count. Besides, the song claims that the countess was convince she "wedded 'neathe her state" and according to the real story, the Valdemaren noblewoman was head-over-heals for Leslac.... and was supposedly considering marrige herself. So with all that, I doubt Leslac had anything to do with that song. ~ , ~ ~\ , ~~~ Night-woven mists of ravyn ~\ /~^~^~ light twinkle in the ~\' //~^~^~ wolf's impassioned gaze... ~^\' ``/=^~^~~ Dark as the well of a ~^\' /``/*=^~^~ nightmare's soul and light ~^\'' |``/**=~^~ as the coming dawn... ~~|'' |`|*=~^~^~ Whyspers of soft desire and ~^~\' _- |`|*=~^~^~^~ shrieking howl of ~^~=\ /-^^\~ /``|**===^~^~^~ Nevermore... ~^~^===\ ~/ .\ /``/****===^~^~ Hawk, my brother, guide my ~^~^==~-/`.'.' ``/*****===^~^~ communion until the ~^~^== |`.' ``****==^~^~ threshold of the gale ~^~^~\ ***==^~^~ Lead me on with wings of flame // ||^~^~ unto the Wheel of the Void. m~ m~ \ Unto the death of Fate. /~|~***~|~\ /~|*|~\ -FyreHawke- /~\ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Dec 1995 22:36:16 -0500 (EST) From: Rosario Holsen-Baker To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Tashir's companion Message-ID: Michael Weber wrote: > Quote: > .. > Vanyel grinned to himself. Other than Jervis, Yfandes had suffered the most > from the stud's behavior; the beast kept trying to induce her to mate. "As > much as you have to. From here to Karse if necessary. Be my guest." > :Then this is not altogether an unpleasant prospect. Kellan,Leshya--: She > waited for the humans to remove their packs from the saddles.... > End Quote > > Now Kellan is Savil's companion so I think that Yfandes was calling the > others over by mindspeech. She definitely would not be calling the stud so I > assume the other was tashir's companion--Leshya. No, that doesn't work. Leshya means Ghost in Tayledras. Either Yfandes knew Tayledras when she was a Herald (I assume she was a Herald or something like, once) or she got it from Vanyel. We're still no closer to knowing his Companion's name than we were. Maybe it's...Florian! :) |--------------------------------<>------------------------------| | Three rings for the elven kings under the sky | | Seven for the dwarves in their halls of stone | | Nine for the mortal men, doomed to die | | One for the dark lord on his dark throne.... | |---------------------http://www.sidwell.edu/~rholsen--------------------| ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Dec 1995 23:25:19 EST From: owl To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: It was a Dark and Stormy Night Message-ID: <54C3D9126B-+AT+-main.rmwc.edu> Wasn't it the sister of the lady murdered in the song that Leslac was married to? I think it refers to this near the end of the Tarma and Kethry book when they meet Roald. To paraphrase--they (Roald, Tarma, Kethry, and the King of Rethwellan) are all sitting around gabbing and T mentions Leslac and how they hate his songs and Roald offers the lady's hand in marriage to Leslac to get him off T & K's backs. Doesn't it mention then that there was a sister who fancied herself a muscician? Sorry if I've garbled the paraphrase (or the meaning, for that matter) I don't have my books to hand. Owl, "I can resist everything except temptation" Mark Twain ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Dec 1995 22:16:57 -0800 (PST) From: "Kristin A. Ruhle" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: MERCEDES-LACKEY digest 257 Message-ID: <199512040616.AA20238-+AT+-jive.rahul.net> > > > > > I'm confused as to where someone got the idea that Leslac wrote the > song.... Yes Roald did marry him off to a Valdemaren noblewoman.... but I > would seriously doubt (by the story as it's presented in the song) that > poor little Leslac could ever have been popular enough to people to have > warented the kind of aliibi protection that the castle folk offered to > the count. Besides, the song claims that the countess was convince she > "wedded 'neathe her state" and according to the real story, the > Valdemaren noblewoman was head-over-heals for Leslac.... and was > supposedly considering marrige herself. So with all that, I doubt Leslac > had anything to do with that song. > Ah, but there were *two* women: the noblewoman Leslac married and her *sister*, who was the one who "ate her lute." The events recounted in the song happened before Roald married Leslac off, but he could have heard about it and written a song after the fact. As for Talia finding it in an "old" book (iirc, in AotQ it was "a comic ballad she remembered from many years agone") how old is old? Oathbreakers happened 2-3 generations before the Arrows books. Kristin Ruhle ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Dec 1995 11:37:02 +0000 From: avalon-+AT+-post.dungeon.com To: "Eric M. Scarazzo" , Subject: Re: Other stories I'd like to see Misty write Message-ID: <199512041137.LAA08624-+AT+-gate.dungeon.com> > I second the suggestion about Savil and the Tayledras. She's > named > wingsister and is the only person in Valdemar to know the Tayledras > but how the heck did she "bump into" them? > That is exactly what I mean. What is a Herald doing out there in the first place. There are a couple of other bits I would like to see. For starters Savil is supposed to have packed herself of to haven at sixteen and got chosen on entering the gates. This would make a good short story if nothing else. Also we could here about Moonwinds tradgedy in full detail. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Dec 1995 12:52:38 GMT0BST From: 'Live Long and Prosper' To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: A few points Message-ID: <25A65417026-+AT+-lin3.smf.nottingham.ac.uk> Jsut had a few points on various lackey books.... Firstly, anyone else ever suspected that Talia has a hint of Foresight?? When she is about to go to Hardorn andhas just had the row with Elspeth she insists on leaving a note in case she never gets back (paraphrased). Selenay jokes about hiring Talia as her official doomsayer. Talia is unable to shake this feeling all the way to Hardorn. If a character known to have Foresight eg Selenay was having these feelign we would automatically call them Forsight - so does Talia have forsesight, or are premonitions or feelings things are about to go wrong only foresight when experienced by characters who are KNOWN to have foresight???? Secondly, Back to the Last Herald Mage series. Anyone else ever noticed that Tylendel's twin was called Staven (presumably a variation on Stephen) and Tylendel comes back as Stefan (again presumably a variation on Stephen). Surely Vanyel should have thought of it, and to me it is another bit of final proof that Tyelndel and Stefan are one and the same! (Not to mention that I THINK (please correct me if i am wrong) that Stefan woudl have been born about the time that Tylendel died). Now to the Winds trilogy. In the first few pages of Winds of Change is when Gwena makes her slip about Sayvil/Savil, it is when Elspeth and Skif are waiting to be sworn into the clan. I am afraid that the exact context slips me and I dont' have my books to hand, but that is when it happens. I dont' want to start the mindspeaking debate all over again, but in Winds of Fury (book 3) Sayvil (the Companion not sure if I have Savil and Sayvil the right way round) mindspeaks Darkwind, Firesong, the Gryphons, Elspeth, Skif, Nyara and Kero all at the same time and Kero says that Sayvil doesn't stick to the rules and that she expects her companion to start mindspeaking non-mindspeakers soon - guess that is proof that Companions can mindspeak all midnspeakers and a hint that they can mindspeak non-mindspeakers. Again, a note on the Winds book (guess which trilogy i am rereading) in Winds of Cahnge there is also a bit about the Storm books. Whe Dawnfire first comes to the Trevalen in the Vale and they talk, Dawnfire speaks of a need for all peoples to unite to face the repercussions of the long ago mage storms (or words to that effect). Also, at the end of Winds of Change when the Kaladain (sp?) arrive, the story of how they got flung further away from everyone else is very different to the description givenin Black Gryphon, please can anyone come up with a plausible reason why - or shall I have to just assume Misty changed her mind in betweeen this reference and actually writing the Gryphon books? Iam quite sure that I thought of other things to post whilst readint the Winds books but they have temporarily slipped my mind. Really the Winds books are a fount of knowledge and answers to a lot of our questions - I only wish I coudl remember every word of them that I read. Rosetta PS sorry if some of these points have been covered in the last few days but I have been away and come back full of burnignissues that I must post before I wade through the 8 accumulated digests! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Dec 1995 15:06:30 EET From: "Sanna Koulu" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Misty Filk reviews Message-ID: <19296E23E4A-+AT+-otdk.helsinki.fi> Mat wrote: > Well, I've listened to Heralds, Harpers, & Havoc and Shadow Stalker > quite a lot since I got them, so I thought I'd do a rating/mini-review > thing. > Sun and Shadow -- 8 > I guess Dirk was wrong. This song doesn't make me hold my > breath, _or_ bore me to tears. I was dissapionted at first, > but I've come to like it. I think that it would have sounded > much better with Larry Warner singing Sunsinger though. I don't think this is the song Dirk meant. At the end of AFall, it's said that "Meetings" is often sung as a prelude to the long version of Sun and Shadow. I think this is the short version (or one of them anyway :), and what they sang in the book was the long version. Any takers? > Demonsbane -- 9 > Catchy tune. Nice story. Was this story mentioned in LHM? (I > don't think it's the gretshke inicident from MPromise, unless > it's really, really wrong) Wasn't Vanyel hailed as both the Demonsbane and the Hero of Stony Tor? This song is, I think, about the Stony Tor incident (gee, whatta surprise ); "Demonsbane" is about the gretshke thingie (I'll trust you on the spelling!). But then they changed the name of the song to Demonsbane anyway, because it sounded better... :( Illogical, that's what it is. > Earth Spirit -- 8 > What's a shin'a'in sounding song doing on _Shadow Stalker_? Remember the Tayledras? They are related, after all... > Magic's Price -- 5 > This song is _way_ to upbeat to be Stefen's last tribute to > Vanyel. It should be sad. Heather doesn't do a very > good Stefen either. I don't like the song, no. But I think that it's not Stefen who sings it. In fact, I think about the only songs on the tape that tell us who the singer is are "Web of Light" (the Adepts who make the Web) and "Hawkbrother" (Moondance). The rest are ballads or sagas that are in common repertoire and don't have any specific singer. "Shadow Lover" _might_ be sung by Vanyel but I doubt it. Well. In the interests of saving time and bandwidth, I shan't comment on the songs themselves. So that's just analytical (or something...) comments, and purely IMNSHO. -Seanna ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Dec 1995 15:06:39 EET From: "Sanna Koulu" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: multiple personalities Message-ID: <192979725B8-+AT+-otdk.helsinki.fi> Heather wrote: (About why Falconsbane didn't recognize Valdemar) > I agree that the memories were physically present in the brain, but I don't > think Falconsbane had ready and clear access to them at all times. He has > such an enormous ego that, coupled with his insanity, would encourage him > *not* to look too deeply into his memories. I think he's satisfied with the > surface generalities that he can easily remember - whether or not they are > accurate - and just doesn't bother with anything more. Otherwise, I think > he would have discovered And'esha's presence and destroyed him completely. Come on. Don't underestimate him. He was _much_ diminished by all the incarnations, but the telling blow was the time between the Gates. Falconsbane (before Winds) was a Gifted, intelligent and powerful mage. I don't think he'd be satisfied with just surface generalities. His ego is big (and fragile!), and he's insane, but before the very end, it was a cold and controlled insanity. I think Ma'ar, in all his incarnations, understood the need of clear and accurate information. Even though he probably wouldn't have wanted to dwell on his mistakes, he'd never have made it this far without intelligence and forethought. -Seanna ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Dec 1995 09:03:37 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine Osborne To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Misty Filk reviews Message-ID: On Mon, 4 Dec 1995, Sanna Koulu wrote: > Wasn't Vanyel hailed as both the Demonsbane and the Hero of Stony > Tor? This song is, I think, about the Stony Tor incident (gee, whatta > surprise ); "Demonsbane" is about the gretshke thingie (I'll > trust you on the spelling!). But then they changed the name of the > song to Demonsbane anyway, because it sounded better... :( Illogical, > that's what it is. No, he's "Demonsbane" before the gretshke incident. I think the "Demonsbane" and "Hero of Stony Tor" things refer to the same incident. I\/ Catherine Osborne "After great pain, I\/ Sundancer a formal feeling comes." I cosborne-+AT+-sidwell.edu --Emily Dickinson I http://www.sidwell.edu/~cosborne/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Dec 1995 09:17:39 -0500 (EST) From: s003yms-+AT+-desire.wright.edu To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: MERCEDES-LACKEY digest 258 Message-ID: On Mon, 4 Dec 1995, Korendil wrote: > > >Um, since when did we think that the Star-Eyed and Vkandis were twins. > >Consorts yes, twins no. > Um...ever since Winds of Fate? It might just be me, but, uh, didn't the > gods Need spoke of remind ANYONE of those two? Personally, I wonder if > everything has just gotten muddled,or gotten clearer as time goes on? > Either Need is right and they're twins, or the Karsites and Shin'a'in are > right and they are consorts... > > > >Well, didn't Roald marry Leslac off to some Valdemaran noblewoman to get > >him off of Tarma and Kethry's backs? (not that I think he wrote the > >song though) > He did? Thats how long ago I read that one... I BARELY remember it...and > only that thanx to to the time we discussed that fight Keth had w/ the > Rethwellan mage on the mountain... > > > > >Well, that's it. Long winded, aren't I? Any thoughts anyone? > > Wow...not only must of that been uttterly time consuming, but I agreed w/ > all of it! > sounds possible.....heres another one for ya.....In by the sword Iftel's gods are galled the Wind Lords. Kethry's goddess is called Lady Windborn in Othbound and the Shin 'a' in lady tells her she is just another face of her own Lady Windborn.....makes ya wonder how many dieties are actually on velgarth!> > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Dec 1995 09:18:41 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine Osborne To: mercedes lackey list Subject: re:sexuality survey Message-ID: This is a rather long-overdue apology... I have been having an incredibly busy life lately (this is not to say good) and kept forgetting. I generally do try to respond to people who send me mail with at least a polite statement of receipt, or a considered response if the mail contains some points-for-discussion or questions. I saved the mail that people sent me for the sexuality survey, after noting their responses, with the intention of doing this when I had enough time. Then, I managed to delete all of them. (ARGH.) Naturally, I was no little embarrassed, but without even a list of names or email addresses, I've had no way to let people know what happened. You were not being ignored! Really! I'm terriby sorry about this... I\/ Catherine Osborne "After great pain, I\/ Sundancer a formal feeling comes." I cosborne-+AT+-sidwell.edu --Emily Dickinson I http://www.sidwell.edu/~cosborne/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Dec 1995 09:20:13 -0500 (EST) From: s003yms-+AT+-desire.wright.edu To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Tashir's companion Message-ID: On Mon, 4 Dec 1995 MIKE278485-+AT+-aol.com wrote: > Sometime last week there was a discussion of the name of Tashir's companion > that was refered to as Ghost. There was some thought as to whether it was > Nerya or that was the name of Vanyel's neice. I was rereading _Magic's > Promise_ and came across something interesting. Sorry I can't quote the exact > discussion from last week but I have already deleted those posts. > > This is when Vanyel has returned to the palace at Highjorune with Savil, > Jervis, and Tashir. THe three heralds riding their companions and Jervis > riding that stupid white stud of Mekeal's. The four of them have decided to > enter the palace and to send the companions away. Vanyel has decided to put a > "no see- no hear spell" on the companions. This is from pg. 268 in Promise > when Yfandes is calling the others over for the spell. She has just asked if > she can kick the stud if he doesn't behave. > Quote: > .. > Vanyel grinned to himself. Other than Jervis, Yfandes had suffered the most > from the stud's behavior; the beast kept trying to induce her to mate. "As > much as you have to. From here to Karse if necessary. Be my guest." > :Then this is not altogether an unpleasant prospect. Kellan,Leshya--: She > waited for the humans to remove their packs from the saddles.... > End Quote > > Now Kellan is Savil's companion so I think that Yfandes was calling the > others over by mindspeech. She definitely would not be calling the stud so I > assume the other was tashir's companion--Leshya. > > Michael Weber > MIKE278485-+AT+-aol.com > > "Never try to outstubborn a cat" > -Lazarus Long(R.A.Heinlein) > I thought this was a nickname leysha is usually what the shin'a'in and tayledras call spirits...ie. lesha'e'kalenedral (sp?) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Dec 1995 09:27:58 -0500 (EST) From: s003yms-+AT+-desire.wright.edu To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: A few points Message-ID: On Mon, 4 Dec 1995, 'Live Long and Prosper' wrote: > Jsut had a few points on various lackey books.... > > Firstly, anyone else ever suspected that Talia has a hint of > Foresight?? When she is about to go to Hardorn andhas just had the > row with Elspeth she insists on leaving a note in case she never gets > back (paraphrased). Selenay jokes about hiring Talia as her official > doomsayer. Talia is unable to shake this feeling all the way to > Hardorn. If a character known to have Foresight eg Selenay was > having these feelign we would automatically call them Forsight - so > does Talia have forsesight, or are premonitions or feelings things > are about to go wrong only foresight when experienced by characters > who are KNOWN to have foresight???? > > Secondly, Back to the Last Herald Mage series. Anyone else ever > noticed that Tylendel's twin was called Staven (presumably a > variation on Stephen) and Tylendel comes back as Stefan (again > presumably a variation on Stephen). Surely Vanyel should have thought > of it, and to me it is another bit of final proof that Tyelndel and > Stefan are one and the same! (Not to mention that I THINK (please > correct me if i am wrong) that Stefan woudl have been born about the > time that Tylendel died). > > Now to the Winds trilogy. > In the first few pages of Winds of Change is when Gwena makes her slip > about Sayvil/Savil, it is when Elspeth and Skif are waiting to be > sworn into the clan. I am afraid that the exact context slips me and > I dont' have my books to hand, but that is when it happens. > > I dont' want to start the mindspeaking debate all over again, but > in Winds of Fury (book 3) Sayvil (the Companion not sure if I have > Savil and Sayvil the right way round) mindspeaks Darkwind, Firesong, > the Gryphons, Elspeth, Skif, Nyara and Kero all at the same time and > Kero says that Sayvil doesn't stick to the rules and that she expects > her companion to start mindspeaking non-mindspeakers soon - guess > that is proof that Companions can mindspeak all midnspeakers and a > hint that they can mindspeak non-mindspeakers. > > Again, a note on the Winds book (guess which trilogy i am rereading) > in Winds of Cahnge there is also a bit about the Storm books. Whe > Dawnfire first comes to the Trevalen in the Vale and they talk, > Dawnfire speaks of a need for all peoples to unite to face the > repercussions of the long ago mage storms (or words to that effect). > > Also, at the end of Winds of Change when the Kaladain (sp?) arrive, > the story of how they got flung further away from everyone else is > very different to the description givenin Black Gryphon, please can > anyone come up with a plausible reason why - or shall I have to just > assume Misty changed her mind in betweeen this reference and actually > writing the Gryphon books? > > Iam quite sure that I thought of other things to post whilst readint > the Winds books but they have temporarily slipped my mind. Really > the Winds books are a fount of knowledge and answers to a lot of our > questions - I only wish I coudl remember every word of them that I > read. > > Rosetta > > PS sorry if some of these points have been covered in the last few > days but I have been away and come back full of burnignissues that I > must post before I wade through the 8 accumulated digests! > you notice too that daren's companion is jasan??? wonder if this is Jayson ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Dec 1995 19:54:57 +0100 From: mikkell-+AT+-cybernet.dk (Mikkel Larsen) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Leslac Message-ID: <9512041858.AA14316-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk> Tina Newman wrote >I'm confused as to where someone got the idea that Leslac wrote the >song.... Yes Roald did marry him off to a Valdemaren noblewoman.... but I >would seriously doubt (by the story as it's presented in the song) that >poor little Leslac could ever have been popular enough to people to have >warented the kind of aliibi protection that the castle folk offered to >the count. Besides, the song claims that the countess was convince she >"wedded 'neathe her state" and according to the real story, the >Valdemaren noblewoman was head-over-heals for Leslac.... and was >supposedly considering marrige herself. So with all that, I doubt Leslac >had anything to do with that song. Oathbreakers p274 (Talking about marrying Leslac off at swordspoint) >Stefansen chucled. "Who's the lucky lady?" "Countess Reine. She's actually a sweet old biddy, unlike her harridan sister, who is-thank the gods! -no longer with us." Roald shook his head "A few years back, her sister went mad during a storm and killed herself. Or so it is said, and nobody wants to find out otherwise."< I think this clears it up, the dead noblewoman was Leslacs sister in law, and I think that for a Bard it would be irresistible to write a song about THAT story. Mikkel Larsen (mikkell-+AT+-cybernet.dk) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Dec 1995 11:00:40 -0800 (PST) From: CHONNI To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: twins or consorts Message-ID: On Mon, 4 Dec 1995, Korendil wrote: > Um...ever since Winds of Fate? It might just be me, but, uh, didn't the > gods Need spoke of remind ANYONE of those two? Personally, I wonder if > everything has just gotten muddled,or gotten clearer as time goes on? > Either Need is right and they're twins, or the Karsites and Shin'a'in are > right and they are consorts... These are gods, right? If any of you know Greek and Roman mythology, sibling gods often ended up married to each other, their children, their parents...while I wouldn't guarantee that's what misty's done (it's a little too classical and boring), but it is a possibility. Other possibility: they are above such human classifications, so different cultures could call them different things; it doesn't matter. *********************************************************************** * Why would I want my mind back? Who knows where it's been! * *---------------------------------------------------------------------* **************************** Chonni Brightwolf************************* ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Dec 1995 11:17:05 -0800 (PST) From: CHONNI To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Tashir's companion Message-ID: On Mon, 4 Dec 1995, Rosario Holsen-Baker wrote: > Michael Weber wrote: > > > > Now Kellan is Savil's companion so I think that Yfandes was calling the > > others over by mindspeech. She definitely would not be calling the stud so I > > assume the other was tashir's companion--Leshya. > > No, that doesn't work. Leshya means Ghost in Tayledras. Either > Yfandes knew Tayledras when she was a Herald (I assume she was a Herald > or something like, once) or she got it from Vanyel. We're still no closer > to knowing his Companion's name than we were. Maybe it's...Florian! :) It is mentioned in the Arrows book that some Companions, usually those who's chosen can't mindspeak, take the name their Chosen gives them. In this case, what if they all called the Companion Ghost and Leshya for so long, the Companion took that for his name? I mean, yes, Leshya is tayledras, but frankly, so what? That's no reason for him not to use it if he likes it better than just 'Ghost'; in Valdemar, it sounds more like a name, and the joke probabably amused him. Also, Yfandes probably learnt Tayledras the same time Vanyel did; when they were both in the Vale. *********************************************************************** * Why would I want my mind back? Who knows where it's been! * *---------------------------------------------------------------------* **************************** Chonni Brightwolf************************* ------------------------------ End of MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 259 *********************************