MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 262 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Leareth & Staven's death by Mat Timmerman 2) Re: Di Tregarde by Adrienne York 3) Re: Aura colours by Adrienne York 4) ADMIN: reminder by mel (Melanie Dymond Harper) 5) Re: A few points by Heather Mina 6) Storm Rising by Heather Mina 7) You know... by "Starhawk" 8) Re: Di Tregarde (new thread) by Absolut Flaming 9) Re: A few points by Absolut Flaming 10) Re: A few points by s003yms-+AT+-desire.wright.edu 11) Re: Storm Rising by s003yms-+AT+-desire.wright.edu 12) Re: Di Tregarde (new thread) by "Thomas, Daria" 13) Re: A few points by Fiona Graham 14) Re: A few points by Heather Mina 15) Re: A few points by "Sandy Haas" 16) Re: A few points by s003yms-+AT+-desire.wright.edu 17) Re: A few points by s003yms-+AT+-desire.wright.edu 18) RE: A few points by Gyrfalcon 19) Re: Di Tregarde (new thread) by Erica Neely 20) Re: A few points by Fiona Graham 21) Re: You know... by AnneS3832-+AT+-aol.com 22) Re: multiple personalities by Jean Morrill 23) Re: Di Tregarde (new thread) by Adrienne York 24) Re: A few points by Jennifer Broekman 25) Re: Leareth & Staven's death by Jennifer Broekman ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 05 Dec 1995 21:36:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Mat Timmerman To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Leareth & Staven's death Message-ID: <01HYGODRII0E94H8U6-+AT+-vaxc.hofstra.edu> From: Jennifer Broekman > >Also note that Leareth could have been 'behind' Staven's death without >having directly, personally engineered the details of the feud or >Krebain's involvement in any number of ways. For example, there are hints >that Tylendel's problems in adolescence (Gifts waking early & being >thought possessed) were caused by Leareth. One could argue that having to >fanatically protect his twin from such accusations helped solidify >Staven's hotheadedness with regard to 'outsiders'. The original incident >that started the feud (which no one remembers), could have been an >'engineered' misunderstanding, with the goal not so much of killing a >Mage-potential family, but of stirring up so much trouble within Valdemar >that Valdemar wouldn't have time to look north (in what time they weren't >looking south). > Tylendel told Vanyel how the feud got started. 'Lendel's family (the Frelennye, IIRC) were raiding a Leshara farm or something ( I have the impression that this was not feud-related). During the raid, a Leshara child fell off of his horse and was crushed. In revenge, the Leshara did the Black Angel mushroom thing to 'Lendel's mother. After that, the feud went into full swing. This is all IIRC, of course :) Mat accmjt-+AT+-vaxc.hofstra.edu http://ada.hofstra.edu/~mtimme47/ VAX is the source of all evil. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Dec 1995 22:36:48 -0500 (EST) From: Adrienne York To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Di Tregarde Message-ID: On Wed, 6 Dec 1995, Kerry Mealing wrote: > ARisemberg wrote: > > Also, has anyone read Sacred Ground? That would be my next Misty purchase, > > but I haven't heard a word about it. > > Read it.. Loved the Di books, SG was good, but not IMO as good as Children > of the Night (of course that still leaves heaps of room for it to be good.) > Actually I kinda felt that misty was following a formula for SG (and yes, > I know most of her books follow a formula, but for some reason, it jumped > out at me this time..) I really liked Sacred Ground. I thought it was really cool. I think you should get it. And it was really good about showing a battering situation go from bad to worse. Most of the time, you only see the end result of battering. This time, you saw the end, eerie result of a progression. ;];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];] ;] Adrienne York-Minor ;] ;] "I'd like to believe that, but I'm fresh out of optimism." ;] ;] -Princess Jasmine ;] ;] ayork-+AT+-simons-rock.edu ;] ;];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Dec 1995 22:40:47 -0500 (EST) From: Adrienne York To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Aura colours Message-ID: This is the thread on why is Starwind a blue-green aura and Moon* blue-gold. Um, yellow + blue=green? ;];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];] ;] Adrienne York-Minor ;] ;] "I'd like to believe that, but I'm fresh out of optimism." ;] ;] -Princess Jasmine ;] ;] ayork-+AT+-simons-rock.edu ;] ;];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Dec 1995 12:22:22 GMT From: mel (Melanie Dymond Harper) To: mercedes-lackey Subject: ADMIN: reminder Message-ID: <9512061222.AA11216-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk> Those of you whose accounts will be vanishing over the winter break, please remember to unsubscribe before you leave; those of you on small quotas whose mailboxes will fill up before you return, please remember to set yourselves to POSTPONE before you leave. Unsubscribing: Send mail to listproc-+AT+-herald.co.uk Leave the subject line blank if possible; if your mail system will not allow you to do so (AOL, Compuserve, ?MSmail?), use "No Subject" instead. Your message should read unsubscribe mercedes-lackey Mail postponement: As above, except that your message should read set mercedes-lackey mail postpone This will stop you getting mail from the list until you send another message in the same manner, reading either set mercedes-lackey mail ack or set mercedes-lackey mail digest Cheers Mel. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Dec 95 09:04:58 GMT+0000 From: Heather Mina To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: A few points Message-ID: <9512061406.AA14797-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk> >> if you would tell me HOW to snip the extra without holding down the**** >> delete key for a half hour i just might listen! > jenneke writes: >This is a question that you should address to your system administrator, >your instructor, or your coworkers/friends/classmates. Your ignorance is >*not* an excuse to spam us with one-liners. If you absolutely, >positively *cannot* find anyone at your site to help you, try asknig for >help and including such relevant information as the type of system and >mailer you're using. > >Also, do you think you might condescend to *sign* your posts? s003yms >isn't precisely enlightening. It might have been more polite and diplomatic to offer help, instead of making her feel unwelcome here. I think her comment was a frustrated plea for help, not a nasty spam. Not everyone understands the rules of netiquette, and learn by making mistakes. But if others are rude to newbies, then we might miss out on the chance to become friends with good people. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~ Let us be first to give a friendly sign, to nod first, smile ~ ~ first, speak first, and if such a thing is necessary -- ~ ~ forgive first. ~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Heather Mina ..... hlmina-+AT+-vwc.edu ..... heamin-+AT+-sunshine.vab.unisysgsg.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Dec 95 09:36:04 GMT+0000 From: Heather Mina To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Storm Rising Message-ID: <9512061437.AA14994-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk> WOO-HOOOOO!!! Storm Rising is the book-of-the-month for the science fiction book club! I've been *waiting* to get my hands on this one. Guess I'll quit reading Shanarra and start reading all the Velgarth books again so I'm ready when it comes... (first Talia, then Vanyel, then Tarma and Kethry, then Kero, then Winds, then Gryphon, then Storm Warning... Told you I was anal-retentive about the way I read my Misty!) Heather ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~ Let us be first to give a friendly sign, to nod first, smile ~ ~ first, speak first, and if such a thing is necessary -- ~ ~ forgive first. ~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Heather Mina ..... hlmina-+AT+-vwc.edu ..... heamin-+AT+-sunshine.vab.unisysgsg.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Dec 1995 09:55:11 EST From: "Starhawk" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: You know... Message-ID: When I first joined this list in the Summer of '94, I was struck by how nice everybody was. I use "nice" mainly because I can't think of a better word. I was welcomed onto the list warmly, and witnessed others' equally warm welcomes. Even if there were problems or differences of opinion, they were dealt with in the politest of terms, and with a good sense of humor. However, I have noticed a disturbing trend lately. Now, I don't know how many of us are students and have finals creeping up at an alarming rate, but it seems to me that this list is losing that "nice" quality. In fact, over the past few months, I've noticed not only rude posts, but downright meanness, not to mention the flames. Now, I know, we're here to discuss Mercedes Lackey and related fantasy, "not to be nice," as I'm sure many will say. However, that does not mean we can't show each other common courtesy and remember what Misty herself has written many times: "There is NO 'one, true way.'" Besides, IIRC, common courtesy and politeness is the heart and core of the netiquette so many flamers are fond of citing. Just my opinion, Lyn Lyn Belzer * P.O. Box 234 St. Bonaventure, NY 14778 * 716/379-3034 ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* "Be careful, Yarblek," the Nadrak dancer warned. "You still have your health, but I can fix that for you." -David Eddings, _Sorceress of Darshiva_ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Dec 1995 10:36:08 -0500 (EST) From: Absolut Flaming To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Di Tregarde (new thread) Message-ID: On Wed, 6 Dec 1995 ARisemberg-+AT+-eworld.com wrote: > Now that I have read the books (and even enjoyed them ;-), I am wondering if > the rumors earlier posted about there being no more coming are true? Does > anybody have inside info? Also, I would love to start a thread about the Di > books, though I am dry for a specific topic to throw out there. Do you all > love them, hate them, feel so-so about them, or have you done what I did > until recently and avoided them because they are called "investigations"? Well, I will just go on record as saying that I liked _Children of the Night_, and have a like-hate relationship with _Burning Water_ and _Jinx High_. By "like-hate" I mean that I like Misty's prose style, as always, but I think that both books have profound flaws in them that cause me to scream "Why are you wasting your [Misty's] talent on these plots!!" There were a few problems with _Children of the Night_. Primarily: No Japanese person of my acquaintance--and I know a lot of them--has ever heard of a "gaki" as anything but a mischievous child or a benign spirit, and I could only find one reference in my stuff on Japanese folklore to a very rare type of "gaki" (the spirit) that was called a "blood gaki" because it ate blood--NOT fear or souls or what have you. However, I am willing to allow that this is a minor issue and just go with the flow. In _Burning Water_, though, I find that the flaws are too obvious to ignore. I mean, is it only me, or does it seem like Misty is making the character of Di dumb in order to salvage the plot. I hope this doesn't offend anyone, but any occultist (or even folklorist) who wouldn't at least have twigged to the possibility of an Aztec connection with that first murder, IMHO, shouldn't be allowed out on the streets. I am not even an occultist and I would have recognized it. Di's persistant inability to get a clue seems like a device to make what should have been a fast open/shut investigation into a novel. OOOhh! Every time I even think of this book, I just want to scream!!! How could Misty do this to us? And the really horrible thing is that, other than the probs I just mentioned, it is *such* a well written book. I mean, her prose skills were in peak condition, just not her plotting. Finally, Jinx High. I would probably say that the biggest beef I have with this has nothing to do with either the plot or the writing. Both are relatively good. (I will admit that I think the plot could have been dealt with differently and a few things tightened up, but on the whole it was a good read.) My biggest prob with this book is that I am from Tulsa. The whole time I was reading the book, I was thinking to myself "Which Tulsa and Jenks is she writing about?" The characterizations don't match anything that I have ever seen there. The characterization of the library, in particular, is hilarious if you have ever been to the library in question. Sure, the Tulsa City-County Library system is a *big* system, but it is a very shallow one, too, and Martin Regional (which is the one in the story) is awful. Nothing in it but fluff. And I could go on. I suppose that I should have just read the story as if the setting was completely fictional and had no relation to Tulsa or Jenks, but I couldn't. Still, I will admit that for the average reader, who knows nothing at all about Tulsa or Jenks, the story probably does not present any problems. Well, anyway, there is my opinion. Flames? comments? questions? Let's get some action on this thread! kenny Kenneth Allen Hyde | No matter how subtle the wizard, a knife Univ. of Delaware | between the shoulder blades will seriously Dept. of Linguistics | cramp his style -- Old Jhereg proverb kenny-+AT+-strauss.udel.edu | A mind is a terrible toy to waste! -- Me ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Dec 1995 10:51:07 -0500 (EST) From: Absolut Flaming To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: A few points Message-ID: On Wed, 6 Dec 1995, Heather Mina wrote: > >> if you would tell me HOW to snip the extra without holding down the**** > >> delete key for a half hour i just might listen! > > > jenneke writes: [deletia of generally unpleasant flaming] > > It might have been more polite and diplomatic to offer help, instead of > making her feel unwelcome here. I agree wholeheartedly. Even if she was a little rude (for whatever reason), it is no excuse to be rude in return. If that continues, we will all be knee-deep in the mire left by our mud-slinging activities. Not a pleasant way to spend an afternoon. Why can't we all just learn to get along? kenny Kenneth Allen Hyde | No matter how subtle the wizard, a knife Univ. of Delaware | between the shoulder blades will seriously Dept. of Linguistics | cramp his style -- Old Jhereg proverb kenny-+AT+-strauss.udel.edu | A mind is a terrible toy to waste! -- Me ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Dec 1995 11:10:44 -0500 (EST) From: s003yms-+AT+-desire.wright.edu To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: A few points Message-ID: On Wed, 6 Dec 1995, Jennifer Broekman wrote: > > This is a question that you should address to your system administrator, > your instructor, or your coworkers/friends/classmates. Your ignorance is > > Also, do you think you might condescend to *sign* your posts? s003yms > isn't precisely enlightening. > > -jenneke > > jsb-+AT+-phantom.com > new .sig in development > Grumpy Grumpy......I thought this was a mailing list not a flame room....If you do not care to read my posts fine with me but not having a sig is no reason to grouch. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Dec 1995 11:24:33 -0500 (EST) From: s003yms-+AT+-desire.wright.edu To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Storm Rising Message-ID: On Wed, 6 Dec 1995, Heather Mina wrote: > > Storm Rising is the book-of-the-month for the science fiction book club! > I've been *waiting* to get my hands on this one. > > Heather > > If you liked her other books you'll love this one....I think it was better than the Mage winds books (just one persons opinion) By th way what is IIRC ????? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Dec 95 10:45:00 cst From: "Thomas, Daria" To: 'mercedes-lackey' Subject: Re: Di Tregarde (new thread) Message-ID: <30C5C8E6-+AT+-mailsrvr.bussvc.wisc.edu> >From: Absolut Flaming > >In _Burning Water_, though, I find that the flaws are too obvious to >ignore. I mean, is it only me, or does it seem like Misty is making the >character of Di dumb in order to salvage the plot. I hope this doesn't >offend anyone, but any occultist (or even folklorist) who wouldn't at >least have twigged to the possibility of an Aztec connection with that >first murder, IMHO, shouldn't be allowed out on the streets. I am not >even an occultist and I would have recognized it. Di's persistant >inability to get a clue seems like a device to make what should have been >a fast open/shut investigation into a novel. OOOhh! Every time I even >think of this book, I just want to scream!!! How could Misty do this to >us? And the really horrible thing is that, other than the probs I just >mentioned, it is *such* a well written book. I mean, her prose skills >were in peak condition, just not her plotting. Well, I'll admit it's been a while since I've read this one, but let me comment. IIRC, one of the first things Di does in this investigation is go into a trance to find out something, and runs into a "trap" that blocks her mentally from making what *should* be obvious connections. I know that several times when she got close to realizing the trap would react and block the knowledge. I had assumed that if she hadn't run into this trap early on, she would have realized the Aztec connection right away. Does this make sense to you? -Daria ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Dec 95 00:48:00 AST From: Fiona Graham To: mercedes-lackey Subject: Re: A few points Message-ID: <30C5C9AA-+AT+-msmail-gw.renre.bm> > This is a question that you should address to your system administrator, > your instructor, or your coworkers/friends/classmates. Your ignorance is > > Also, do you think you might condescend to *sign* your posts? s003yms > isn't precisely enlightening. > > -jenneke > > jsb-+AT+-phantom.com > new .sig in development > Grumpy Grumpy......I thought this was a mailing list not a flame room....If you do not care to read my posts fine with me but not having a sig is no reason to grouch. I agree...we shouldn't grouch at you for that, but....it is nicer knowing who we're talking to. Anonymity doesn't really do much to further the credibility of your posts....not sniping, just a friendly suggestion. Fiona fmg-+AT+-renre.bm ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Dec 95 11:59:36 GMT+0000 From: Heather Mina To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: A few points Message-ID: <9512061701.AA20996-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk> >> Also, do you think you might condescend to *sign* your posts? s003yms >> isn't precisely enlightening. >Grumpy Grumpy......I thought this was a mailing list not a flame room....If >you do not care to read my posts fine with me but not having a sig is no reason > to grouch. CHILDREN, PLEASE! It's one thing for us to get emotionally involved in discussions of Misty's work, but it's another thing for people to get into arguments about netiquette, flaming, and sig files. Now, calm down, count to ten, and don't write until you have something nice to say! First of all, while a fancy sig might seem like a luxury, we'd like to have some sort of (pronouceable) name for you, whether it be your real name or a handle. Second of all, it has been an ongoing request from Mel that we try to limit long quotations and minimize posts of one-liners. This isn't just courtesy to the others on the list, but makes the hardware and software distribute your message to us all more efficiently. Thank you, Heather ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~ Let us be first to give a friendly sign, to nod first, smile ~ ~ first, speak first, and if such a thing is necessary -- ~ ~ forgive first. ~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Heather Mina ..... hlmina-+AT+-vwc.edu ..... heamin-+AT+-sunshine.vab.unisysgsg.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Dec 1995 12:52:02 EDT From: "Sandy Haas" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: A few points Message-ID: <88BFCB5C47-+AT+-rackham.umich.edu> > jenneke writes: > >This is a question that you should address to your system administrator, > >your instructor, or your coworkers/friends/classmates. Your ignorance is > >*not* an excuse to spam us with one-liners. If you absolutely, > >positively *cannot* find anyone at your site to help you, try asknig for > >help and including such relevant information as the type of system and > >mailer you're using. > > > >Also, do you think you might condescend to *sign* your posts? s003yms > >isn't precisely enlightening. > > It might have been more polite and diplomatic to offer help, instead of > making her feel unwelcome here. I think her comment was a frustrated plea > for help, not a nasty spam. Not everyone understands the rules of > netiquette, and learn by making mistakes. But if others are rude to > newbies, then we might miss out on the chance to become friends with good > people. > Heather Mina ..... hlmina-+AT+-vwc.edu > ..... heamin-+AT+-sunshine.vab.unisysgsg.com **THANK YOU** and to others who have similarly objected to the rudeness on the list lately. I have become a lurker (vs. quiting all together-which I haven't done because I need daily doses of Valdemar to make it through the day) because of the treatment on the list. Sandy Haas the sig-less ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Dec 1995 13:24:22 -0500 (EST) From: s003yms-+AT+-desire.wright.edu To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: A few points Message-ID: On Wed, 6 Dec 1995, Absolut Flaming wrote: > > > > I agree wholeheartedly. Even if she was a little rude (for whatever > reason), it is no excuse to be rude in return. If that continues, we > will all be knee-deep in the mire left by our mud-slinging activities. > Not a pleasant way to spend an afternoon. > > Why can't we all just learn to get along? > > kenny Was nit trying to be rude. Sorry if I came off that way.> > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Dec 1995 13:27:44 -0500 (EST) From: s003yms-+AT+-desire.wright.edu To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: A few points Message-ID: On Wed, 6 Dec 1995, Fiona Graham wrote: > > I agree...we shouldn't grouch at you for that, but....it is nicer > knowing who we're talking to. Anonymity doesn't really do much to further > the credibility of your posts....not sniping, just a friendly suggestion. > Fiona > fmg-+AT+-renre.bm > Honestly I just never got around to it....as sooon as i figure on e out ill add it. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Dec 1995 13:45:07 -0500 From: Gyrfalcon To: "'mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk'" Subject: RE: A few points Message-ID: <01BAC3E1.0F96A9E0-+AT+-S98003.U98.stevens-tech.edu> ------ =_NextPart_000_01BAC3E1.0FB09A80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > CHILDREN, PLEASE! > It's one thing for us to get emotionally involved in discussions of = Misty's > work, but it's another thing for people to get into arguments about > netiquette, flaming, and sig files. > Now, calm down, count to ten, and don't write until you have something = > nice to say! Thank you for putting it so eloquently my dear. =20 People please, keep your flaming off of the list and onto private = e-mail. It saves everyone time and keeps our tempers cool. Now = personally I think that we all should drop this thread and let bygones = be bygones. =20 > First of all, while a fancy sig might seem like a luxury, we'd like to = have > some sort of (pronouceable) name for you, whether it be your real name = > or a handle. That's true, though everyone should be know by at least a usename. Most = here do have one, and it's only common courtesy that we know who we're = talking to. > Second of all, it has been an ongoing request from Mel that we try to=20 > limit long quotations and minimize posts of one-liners. This isn't = just=20 > courtesy to the others on the list, but makes the hardware and = software > distribute your message to us all more efficiently. Yes, this has been a pet peeve of mine for a while. People, you should = trim the previous post so that only the relvant quotes are in the reply. = Otherwise it's just a waste of bandwidth. One liners are often = necessary though, so you might want to trim as much as possible when = posting one. =20 Now that I've said things that most people on this list already know, to = prevent any flames from coming my way let me just say this: I'm just trying to settle this argument, it was beginning to annoy me, = and I've always believed that petty sniping should be done over private = e-mail. Now bantering on the other hand.... We now return you to your regularly scheduled Misty posts. 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I mean, is it only me, or does it seem like Misty is making the > >character of Di dumb in order to salvage the plot. I hope this doesn't > >offend anyone, but any occultist (or even folklorist) who wouldn't at > >least have twigged to the possibility of an Aztec connection with that > Well, I'll admit it's been a while since I've read this one, but let me > comment. IIRC, one of the first things Di does in this investigation is go > into a trance to find out something, and runs into a "trap" that blocks her > mentally from making what *should* be obvious connections. I know that Yes, but she was working with someone, and I would think that *he* should have recognised it, as he had no block. That's what frustrates me about that one so much! Even *I* recognised it! Blessed be, Erica ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Dec 95 03:20:00 AST From: Fiona Graham To: mercedes-lackey Subject: Re: A few points Message-ID: <30C5ED4E-+AT+-msmail-gw.renre.bm> On Wed, 6 Dec 1995, Fiona Graham wrote: > > I agree...we shouldn't grouch at you for that, but....it is nicer > knowing who we're talking to. Anonymity doesn't really do much to further > the credibility of your posts....not sniping, just a friendly suggestion. > Fiona > fmg-+AT+-renre.bm > Honestly I just never got around to it....as sooon as i figure on e out ill add it. Hi again....... I wasn't talking about a sig per say...a name is good, too (: anyways....this isn't a point worth harping over....much more important things we could be discussing...... bye for now Fiona ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Dec 1995 14:55:15 -0500 From: AnneS3832-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: You know... Message-ID: <951206145514_65618459-+AT+-emout04.mail.aol.com> I have to admit, I kind of have to agree with Lyn . . . I was off the list for a few months after being on it for over a year, and some of the tone in the posts that existed when I returned made me think twice about posting anything to the list . . . it's the one reason I have devolved into lurker status . . . yeah, I guess I could be told that this is the 'net, and to "get used to it" . . . but it is making me start to like reading the posts a lot less than I used to . . . . my 2 pence on the mater Anne annes3832-+AT+-aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Dec 1995 14:01:48 -0700 From: Jean Morrill To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: multiple personalities Message-ID: <199512062101.OAA06572-+AT+-cochise.hwr.arizona.edu> Yikes! I just skimmed through 200 messages...I don't think anyone answered this. Someone (sorry can't find who) wrote > > I wouldn't be surprised. It sounds about right. Also, does anyone else > > see something vaguely familiar about "Renthorn" as an antagonist? I seem > > to remember seeing that name somewhere...or maybe it's just the lack of > > sleep. > > Stacey replied > The name "Renthorn" does set off alarms in my head, but I just > can't seem to place the name to any particular situation. So I guess > that means its not the sleep! I found a name, not Redthorn, but similar. At the end of Magic's Price, when Vanyel is captured, the leader of the captors is "Lord" RENDAN. The man's younger brother was the one chosen by Leareth (sp?) as the victim in his warped recreation of the legend of the man who got his flesh eaten by birds every day, then it regenerated at night. Regarding the thread about Randale's illness--it wouldn't even have to have been anything as severe as cancer. In the days when measles and mumps and such were more common, people who had the disease as children and recovered frequently had complications later on, such as blindness, sterility, and a general lack of physical stamina. Randale could have had a seemingly harmless childhood illness which just weakend him--it may have had nothing to do with Learth at all. Jean jean-+AT+-hwr.arizona.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Dec 1995 17:26:15 -0500 (EST) From: Adrienne York To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Di Tregarde (new thread) Message-ID: On Wed, 6 Dec 1995, Absolut Flaming wrote: > On Wed, 6 Dec 1995 ARisemberg-+AT+-eworld.com wrote: > > In _Burning Water_, though, I find that the flaws are too obvious to > ignore. I mean, is it only me, or does it seem like Misty is making the > character of Di dumb in order to salvage the plot. I hope this doesn't > offend anyone, but any occultist (or even folklorist) who wouldn't at > least have twigged to the possibility of an Aztec connection with that > first murder, IMHO, shouldn't be allowed out on the streets. I am not > even an occultist and I would have recognized it. Di's persistant > inability to get a clue seems like a device to make what should have been > a fast open/shut investigation into a novel. OOOhh! Every time I even Yes, it was a plot device, but it was explained. The collective unconscience, or what have you, was booby-trapped so that Di's memory was affected, IIRC. Misty told us why Di hadn't tripped to what the rest of us would have guessed within thirty seconds of arriving on the scene. What I think was more mysterious is that nobody else thought of it either. It didn't occur to any of the Amerinds she talked to that it could have been based on one of the many Amerind religions in that area? Which would, of course, have led to Aztecs, cause they'd be in the same databases, I would think. > > was a good read.) My biggest prob with this book is that I am from > Tulsa. The whole time I was reading the book, I was thinking to myself > "Which Tulsa and Jenks is she writing about?" The characterizations > don't match anything that I have ever seen there. The characterization Uh, maybe she doesn't sell much in Tulsa, and thought no one would notice? I dunno > > Well, anyway, there is my opinion. Flames? comments? questions? > > Let's get some action on this thread! > I tried Kenny ;];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];] ;] Adrienne York-Minor ;] ;] "I'd like to believe that, but I'm fresh out of optimism." ;] ;] -Princess Jasmine ;] ;] ayork-+AT+-simons-rock.edu ;] ;];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Dec 1995 17:31:19 -0500 (EST) From: Jennifer Broekman To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: A few points Message-ID: On Wed, 6 Dec 1995, Heather Mina wrote: > It might have been more polite and diplomatic to offer help, instead of > making her feel unwelcome here. I think her comment was a frustrated plea > for help, not a nasty spam. Not everyone understands the rules of > netiquette, and learn by making mistakes. But if others are rude to > newbies, then we might miss out on the chance to become friends with good > people. Ah, but you see, I've *already* offered help, in private email, as is appropriate, and been entirely ignored. Newbies who are so tender as to feel unwelcome when their rudenesses are pointed out in public ought to accept help offered in private. -jenneke jsb-+AT+-phantom.com new .sig in development ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Dec 1995 17:57:21 -0500 (EST) From: Jennifer Broekman To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Leareth & Staven's death Message-ID: On Wed, 6 Dec 1995, Mat Timmerman wrote: > From: Jennifer Broekman > >Staven's hotheadedness with regard to 'outsiders'. The original incident > >that started the feud (which no one remembers), could have been an > >'engineered' misunderstanding, with the goal not so much of killing a > Tylendel told Vanyel how the feud got started. 'Lendel's family (the > Frelennye, IIRC) were raiding a Leshara farm or something ( I have the > impression that this was not feud-related). During the raid, a Leshara > child fell off of his horse and was crushed. In revenge, the Leshara > did the Black Angel mushroom thing to 'Lendel's mother. After that, > the feud went into full swing. I was under the impression that the stampeding incident was only the trigger for the most recent outburst of the feud, but that the feud itself was of sufficiently long standing that the true origins had been 'forgotten'. Could someone whose books aren't in boxes look up the scene in which Tylendel explains the feud to Vanyel and provide us with quotes? -jenneke jsb-+AT+-phantom.com new .sig in development ------------------------------ End of MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 262 *********************************