MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 271 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Casting characrers... by s003yms-+AT+-desire.wright.edu 2) RE: Burning water, was: gods on velgarth by PS9562-+AT+-wheeler.northland.edu 3) Re: Burning Water by PS9562-+AT+-wheeler.northland.edu 4) Seasons Greetings by URAMESS-+AT+-aol.com 5) strange garbage in end of mail by mikkell-+AT+-cybernet.dk (Mikkel Larsen) 6) Re: Burning water, was: gods on velgarth by mikkell-+AT+-cybernet.dk (Mikkel Larsen) 7) RE: Burning water, was: gods on velgarth by mealink-+AT+-syd.au.swissbank.com (Kerry Mealing) 8) Re: Burning Water by mealink-+AT+-syd.au.swissbank.com (Kerry Mealing) 9) Re: SET by Julie Vaux 10) Re: graphics gibberish by Julie Vaux 11) Re: graphics gibberish by Stephanie Wukovitz 12) Re: Storm Rising by mealink-+AT+-syd.au.swissbank.com (Kerry Mealing) 13) RE: graphics gibberish by Gyrfalcon 14) Re: Burning Water by Anne Cross ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 13:17:51 -0500 (EST) From: s003yms-+AT+-desire.wright.edu To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Casting characrers... Message-ID: On Wed, 13 Dec 1995, Rosario Holsen-Baker wrote: > > > He was the really cute one :) in Last of the Mohicans, he was the > way-too-uptight Cecil in Room With A View, he was Gerry Conlon in In The > Name Of The Father...and I know he was in a lot more, just can't remember > any more. Ah. Him I remember. He probably would make a good Vanyel. Ashke s003yms-+AT+-desire.wright.edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 12:33:27 CST From: PS9562-+AT+-wheeler.northland.edu To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: RE: Burning water, was: gods on velgarth Message-ID: <3E4EB6F1211-+AT+-wheeler.northland.edu> Kerry said- > It'd make just as much sense to say that Osiris is evil, because he's > Lord of the Dead (and did the usual tricks of making dead spirits fight > each other etc). Not necessarily. In Greek mythology Hades was NOT thought of as an evil God. He was Lord of the Underworld, but he was thought of as a just God, not terrible. Sure he wasn't invited to too many parties, but can you really blame everybody? I wouldn't want this big dark guy glowering in the corner and scaring everybody out of their wits. Sure he may have been a really great guy, but he didn't outwardly show it, even though he may have after Persephone arrived on the scene. "Without darkness there can be no light" Stacey ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 12:37:33 CST From: PS9562-+AT+-wheeler.northland.edu To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Burning Water Message-ID: <3E4FC632159-+AT+-wheeler.northland.edu> Kerry asked- > > Can anyone think of any god who somewhere along the line didn't smote > > someone that you'd have thought oughtn't to have been smoted? > Athene seemed to be the lenient type to me, but I'm willing to be convinced otherwise. "Without darkness there can be no light" Stacey ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 15:36:15 -0500 From: URAMESS-+AT+-aol.com To: FIRSTWENCH-+AT+-aol.com Cc: taylorc-+AT+-ttown.apci.com, jealge1-+AT+-service1.uky.edu, bj00+-+AT+-andrew.cmu.edu, Subject: Seasons Greetings Message-ID: <951214153614_54253368-+AT+-mail02.mail.aol.com> Greetings to one and all! I thought that I would share the below with you to help brighten your holiday some. I hope that it puts a grin on all your faces. Please forgive me for taking up bandwith to spread some holiday cheer. Enjoy this and your holidays. Take Care Warm Breezes URAMESS Matt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------- The recent announcement that Donner and Blitzen have elected to take the early reindeer retirement package has triggered a good deal of concern about whether they will be replaced, and about other restructuring decisions at the North Pole. Streamlining was appropriate in view of the reality that the North Pole no longer dominates the season's gift distribution business. Home shopping channels and mail order catalogues have diminished Santa's market share and he could not sit idly by and permit further erosion of the profit picture. The reindeer downsizing was made possible through the purchase of a late model Japanese sled for the CEO's annual trip. Improved productivity from Dasher and Dancer, who summered at the Harvard Business School, is anticipated and should take up the slack with no discernible loss of service. Reduction in reindeer will also lessen airborne environmental emissions for which the North Pole has been cited and received unfavorable press. I am pleased to inform you and yours that Rudolph's role will not be disturbed. Tradition still counts for something at the North Pole. Management denies, in the strongest possible language, the earlier leak that Rudolph's nose got that way not from the cold, but from substance abuse. Calling Rudolph "a lush who was into the sauce and never did pull his share of the load" was an unfortunate comment, made by one of Santa's helpers and taken out of context at a time of year when he is known to be under executive stress. As a further restructuring, today's global challenges require the North Pole to continue to look for better, more competitive steps. Effective immediately, the following economy measures are to take place in the "Twelve Days of Christmas" subsidiary: The partridge will be retained, but the pear tree never turned out to be the cash crop forecasted. It will be replaced by a plastic hanging plant, providing considerable savings in maintenance. The two turtle doves represent a redundancy that is simply not cost effective. In addition, their romance during working hours could not be condoned. The positions are therefore eliminated. The three French hens will remain intact. After all, everyone loves the French. The four calling birds were replaced by an automated voice mail system, with a call waiting option. An analysis is underway to determine who the birds have been calling, how often and how long they talked. The five golden rings have been put on hold by the Board of Directors. Maintaining a portfolio based on one commodity could have negative implications for institutional investors. Diversification into other precious metals as well as a mix of T-Bills and high technology stocks appear to be in order. The six geese-a-laying constitutes a luxury which can no longer be afforded. It has long been felt that the production rate of one egg per goose per day is an example of the decline in productivity. Three geese will be let go, and an upgrading in the selection procedure by personnel will assure management that from now on every goose it gets will be a good one. The seven swans-a-swimming is obviously a number chosen in better times. The function is primarily decorative. Mechanical swans are on order. The current swans will be retrained to learn some new strokes and therefore enhance their outplacement. As you know, the eight maids-a-milking concept has been under heavy scrutiny by the EEOC. A male/female balance in the workforce is being sought. The more militant maids consider this a dead-end job with no upward mobility. Automation of the process may permit the maids to try a-mending, a-mentoring or a-mulching. Nine ladies dancing has always been an odd number. This function will be phased out as these individuals grow older and can no longer do the steps. Ten Lords-a-leaping is overkill. The high cost of Lords plus the expense of international air travel prompted the Compensation Committee to suggest replacing this group with ten out-of-work congressmen. While leaping ability may be somewhat sacrificed, the savings are significant because we expect an oversupply of unemployed congressmen this year. Eleven pipers piping and twelve drummers drumming is a simple case of the band getting too big. A substitution with a string quartet, a cutback on new music and no uniforms will produce savings which will drop right down to the bottom line. We can expect a substantial reduction in assorted people, fowl, animals and other expenses. Though incomplete, studies indicate that stretching deliveries over twelve days is inefficient. If we can drop ship in one day, service levels will be improved. Regarding the lawsuit filed by the attorney's association seeking expansion to include the legal profession ("thirteen lawyers-a-suing") action is pending. Lastly, it is not beyond consideration that deeper cuts may be necessary in the future to stay competitive. Should that happen, the Board will request management to scrutinize the Snow White Division to see if seven dwarfs is the right number. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 22:19:34 +0100 From: mikkell-+AT+-cybernet.dk (Mikkel Larsen) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: strange garbage in end of mail Message-ID: <9512142121.AA18435-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk> >Hello peoples, > >Please ignore the garbage at the end of that las post. I have no idea >how it got there, but I think it's my fault. I'm working on it. Sorry. > >--Gyrfalcon I don't know - but are you using Microsoft Exchange? I got mysterious characters in my mail all the time till I changed to Eudora. Mikkel Larsen (mikkell-+AT+-cybernet.dk) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 22:19:36 +0100 From: mikkell-+AT+-cybernet.dk (Mikkel Larsen) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Burning water, was: gods on velgarth Message-ID: <9512142121.AA18434-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk> Stacey wrote >I was taught that Loki was the cause of Ragnarok and he fought >against the Gods. I may be wrong, its been 3 years since I took >Mythology and the details are a little fuzzy. I'm going to dig > through my old tests that I have up here with me and see if I > can find anything about it. > >Stacey > Loki was not one of the Asir, he was counted as a god because he was bloodbrother of Tor. he got chained (with hes sons entrails) to a stone with a serpent dripping venom into hes face for the murder of Balder (by the hand of Hother). He will be freed at ragnarok and fight against the gods. He was father of the Fenriswolf, Hel and the Midgardworm and mother (!) of Sleipner (Odins horse). I woldn't presume to judge a god :-) but some of hes deeds aren't very likeable. I see him as a sort of firegod, a good servant but dangerous when out of control. Mikkel Larsen (mikkell-+AT+-cybernet.dk) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Dec 95 10:47:27 EST From: mealink-+AT+-syd.au.swissbank.com (Kerry Mealing) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: RE: Burning water, was: gods on velgarth Message-ID: <9512142347.AA05045-+AT+-syd.au.swissbank.com> Stacey wrote: > Kerry said- > > It'd make just as much sense to say that Osiris is evil, because he's > > Lord of the Dead (and did the usual tricks of making dead spirits fight > > each other etc). > > Not necessarily. In Greek mythology Hades was NOT thought of as an > evil God. He was Lord of the Underworld, but he was thought of as a > just God, not terrible. Sure he wasn't invited to too many parties, > but can you really blame everybody? I wouldn't want this big dark > guy glowering in the corner and scaring everybody out of their wits. > Sure he may have been a really great guy, but he didn't outwardly > show it, even though he may have after Persephone arrived on the > scene. Ummm, thanks.. that was my point. :) I didn't meant Osiris was evil, just that it was silly to consider Set evil simply because he was Lord of Darkness, and meant an analogy to considering Osiris evil simply because he was Lord of the Underworld. But I admit, I probably wasn't clear. :) Thanks, Kerry. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Dec 95 10:50:26 EST From: mealink-+AT+-syd.au.swissbank.com (Kerry Mealing) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Burning Water Message-ID: <9512142350.AA05074-+AT+-syd.au.swissbank.com> > Kerry asked- > > > Can anyone think of any god who somewhere along the line didn't smote > > > someone that you'd have thought oughtn't to have been smoted? > > Stacy wrote: > Athene seemed to be the lenient type to me, but I'm willing to be > convinced otherwise. Anne wrote: > Dana springs to mind.. Didn't think of those two (was mixing Athene & Aphrodite up - Aph.. was the one who turned Arachne into a spider, not Athene). Dana, I'm not qualified to comment on - I'll take Anne's word for it. :) (I must have been mixing her up with the Morrigan.) Ok.. that's it for me on the mythology thread, I've aired my ignorance quite enough. :) Cheers, Kerry. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Dec 1995 12:13:31 +1100 (EST) From: Julie Vaux To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: SET Message-ID: <199512150113.MAA24536-+AT+-metz.une.edu.au> For an interesting fictional view of the "darker" Egyptian gods - see Thomas Burnett Swann's Minikins of Yam if you can find it. The egyptain view of set and certain gods well there was this dualism of - desert/sea/storm/danger/ plague/outside the valley vs green growing the river valley plus the association of the west with danger and death - Sekhmet roams the western desert etc but if you believed the two were one then she had her benign aspect as Bast in the valley? I think what may lie under this tradition is a folk memory of the sahara's desertification - some scholars think certain ancestors of the egyptians migrated from libya to the delta . Even in the Hellenistic era when Set was depicted negatively by greek writers its was only at certain times of the year he was particularly dangerous . Majissa the classicist - see Plutarch's Iside et Osiride- there is an english translation with commentary by Griffiths. Julie Vaux ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Dec 1995 12:15:10 +1100 (EST) From: Julie Vaux To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: graphics gibberish Message-ID: <199512150115.MAA20097-+AT+-metz.une.edu.au> Has some one been trying to post graphics with their sig ? Is anyone else getting patches of gibberish about 20 or 30 plus lines long about the middle of their digests or is it just me? Thank you Julie Vaux ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 18:21:58 -0800 From: Stephanie Wukovitz To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk, steph-+AT+-newton.mbi.ucla.edu Subject: Re: graphics gibberish Message-ID: <9512150221.AA14483-+AT+-newton.mbi.ucla.edu> Julie, I've been getting the gibberish too in lots of cases (is there any at the end of *my* mail? hopefully not! :-) -Stephanie ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Dec 95 13:55:04 EST From: mealink-+AT+-syd.au.swissbank.com (Kerry Mealing) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Storm Rising Message-ID: <9512150255.AA06178-+AT+-syd.au.swissbank.com> For those of us in Australia. :) It's out at last!!!! Just picked up a copy from Dymocks.. (yahoo!) And Masquerade (Terry Pratchett) is also out!! (I didn't even know about it). What a wonderfully frabulous day. :) (Winnie the pooh anyone?) Kerry. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 22:02:37 -0500 From: Gyrfalcon To: "'mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk'" Subject: RE: graphics gibberish Message-ID: <01BACA71.E7578DE0-+AT+-s98003.u98.stevens-tech.edu> > I've been getting the gibberish too in lots of cases (is there any > at the end of *my* mail? hopefully not! :-) It seems that the gibberish is from a MIME encode format. It started when I began using MicroSoft Exchange. I think I fixed my problem. 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No, actually, Athena did turn Arachne into a spider. She also destroyed her own city of Troy, of which she was a patron goddess, ostensably because she was not granted the golden apple that Paris chose to bestow upon Aphrodite. Aphrodite struck her lovers lame if they told anyone they'd had sex with her. > Anne wrote: > > Dana springs to mind.. > > Dana, I'm not qualified to comment on - I'll take Anne's word for it. :) > (I must have been mixing her up with the Morrigan.) The Morrigan can be extremely ugly at times. Yes. ____________________________________________________________________________ | Anne Cross | "How many witches does it take | | juniper-+AT+-fledge.watson.org | to change a lightbulb?" | | http://www.watson.org/~juniper/ | "What do you want to change it into?" | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ End of MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 271 *********************************