MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 288 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Tylendel by Rosario Holsen-Baker 2) Re: Trainees flunking by Gyrfalcon 3) Re: Tylendel by RUNDLE-+AT+-wilma.bcasd.az.honeywell.com 4) Flunk by Dalisair1-+AT+-aol.com 5) Re: Questions about LHM by Dalisair1-+AT+-aol.com 6) Re: Questions about LHM by Dalisair1-+AT+-aol.com 7) Re: Queen's Own by Dalisair1-+AT+-aol.com 8) Re: Savil by Dalisair1-+AT+-aol.com 9) Re: Tylendel by Tammy Harris 10) Re: Trainees flunking by Tammy Harris 11) Re: Questions about LHM by EDooley489-+AT+-aol.com 12) Re: Savil by EDooley489-+AT+-aol.com 13) Re: Tylendel by EDooley489-+AT+-aol.com 14) lifebonds (following off of Questions about LHM) by EGLESTON-+AT+-GROVER.BPL.ORG 15) RE: Flunk by "Thomas, Daria" 16) Re: Tylendel by Gyrfalcon 17) Re: Trainees flunking by Gyrfalcon 18) Re: Savil by "Patrick S. Waterlander" 19) Copy of: Re: Questions about LHM by "James T. Yardley" <73201.745-+AT+-compuserve.com> 20) Re: Questions about LHM by "Patrick S. Waterlander" 21) Re: Trainees flunking by knelson-+AT+-ids2.idsonline.com (NELSON) 22) RE: Flunk by Rosario Holsen-Baker 23) Karal as Son of the Sun by duvall.23-+AT+-postbox.acs.ohio-state.edu (Stacy Hunt DuVall) 24) Re: Tylendel by duvall.23-+AT+-postbox.acs.ohio-state.edu (Stacy Hunt DuVall) 25) Kero and Daren's Whites by duvall.23-+AT+-postbox.acs.ohio-state.edu (Stacy Hunt DuVall) 26) RE: Flunk by duvall.23-+AT+-postbox.acs.ohio-state.edu (Stacy Hunt DuVall) 27) Re: Queen's Own by Becky Anne Christensen 28) Re: Queen's Own by Becky Anne Christensen 29) Re: Need's Story by Becky Anne Christensen ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 12:13:30 -0500 (EST) From: Rosario Holsen-Baker To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Tylendel Message-ID: > whites with heraldic honour. I don't think they had time to expel him after > whatever-her-name was (Gayla??) Gala. But that brings up an interesting point, because Gayla (or something like that) is the Houskeeper for the Collegium. Or maybe Misty's just recycling names. :) |--------------------------------<>------------------------------| | I would there were no age between sixteen and three-and-twenty | | or that youth would sleep out the rest, | | for there is nothing in the between but | | getting wenches with child, wronging the ancientry, stealing, fighting | |------------------------------------------------------------------------| ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 12:25:34 -0500 (EST) From: Gyrfalcon To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Trainees flunking Message-ID: On Wed, 3 Jan 1996, Tammy Harris wrote: > On Wed, Jan 3, Gyrfalcon wrote: > > at the end of BTS, where Kero offers to give up her captains position of > > war, the necessity of having them around etc.) > > This still doesn't explain why they got their whites right away, > rather than *after* they finished their schooling. The only > explanation I've come up with is to distinguish them from the > 'regular' Herald-trainee. But this doesn't make sense. Neither Kero > nor Daren seems likely to want or need the formality, and Kero would > probably prefer the student greys, anyway, as being less obvious > targets. Just MHO. Did they? I wasn't sure about that, I know Kero was pushed into some uniform but I don't remember the color It could've been either. And you're right, Kero would have been more comfortable in the student grays. Except for the fact that in the grays she would stand out more than than among the Heralds. And knowing Kero she didn't wear her uniforms unless there was a Formal Ceremony. IIRC Elspeth was suprised when Kero handed her a set of whites from the office. She hadn't known that Kero kept another set. Also part of the internship and classes are to impress upon the trainee the seriousness of the Heraldic position as well as groom them into the proper maturity. Kero's early to mid thirties by the time she gets to Valdemar. The maturity factor has already been set long ago. --Gyrfalcon =======================msowers-+AT+-menger.eecs.stevens-tech.edu=================== Magic still exists. We have only to reach out and touch it, it is a part of the very fabric of the world. When our belief of magic completely dies this universe shall die. Because that magic; Hope, Dreams, Love, Beauty, Wonder, Belief, and Discovery are what make us a people. They are all part of a great Art whose workings are still a mystery but whose applications can be seen every day. If we ever lose the Art mankind shall not last the day. Let the magic that is in us roam free in our work, play, in each other, and most of all in ourselves. Let it roam free or it will die. ============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 11:15:28 -0700 (MST) From: RUNDLE-+AT+-wilma.bcasd.az.honeywell.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Tylendel Message-ID: <960103111528.23c01733-+AT+-wilma.bcasd.az.honeywell.com> If "that fathead" Lores can become a Herald, I've got to assume that anyone who is chosen WILL become a Herald eventually. But there's other possibilities: 1. The Companion repudiates someone who doesn't work out 2. The Chosen quits - I can't see someone being chosen who won't go the course, but perhaps something occured during training, say the death of your twin brother that causes the chosen to change his personality enough that they are no longer a good herald-material? 3. More sinister: the Companions make sure that only Herald-material chosen ever make it out of training. {flame suit on} Okay, I can't see it either, but either people are chosen infallibly, and therefore nothing can stop a chosen from becoming a Herald, or... Don't shoot me now! StarWolf >Debbi said: >"I suppose one could stay a trainee for ever??" >Ouch! Can you imagine the poor good-hearted klutz who can't learn how >to use a bow or a sword trying over and over and over and over... >I think in that case, they would probably find something that the trainee >can do well, and let that be his/her area of expertise. There must be >a librarian in the building somewhere, for one. And maybe there are >Heralds whose specialties are equine ailments? >Cindy D. (Oh, I am having _so_ much fun!) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 13:27:06 -0500 From: Dalisair1-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Flunk Message-ID: <960103132704_30605407-+AT+-emout06.mail.aol.com> Can Herald trainees flunk? Cindy D. The awnser is Yes. The circle must approve them before the go on their internship. But they can't flunk out. It's kinda like getting reycycled. You just have to train some more. Trying to decide weather he wants to be a vampire or a herald, Robert ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 13:39:28 -0500 From: Dalisair1-+AT+-aol.com To: EDooley489-+AT+-aol.com, mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Questions about LHM Message-ID: <960103133926_30612747-+AT+-mail02.mail.aol.com> You are absolutely right! In some book or other someone says that they envy someone with a lifebond and are quickly set straight. (Someone please look it up!) Lifebonding IS a wonderful thing but it is also a curse. Too tired to explain but I know someone else will. "Do you want to be my angel?"-Todies- Possum Kingdom Robert ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 13:58:23 -0500 From: Dalisair1-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Questions about LHM Message-ID: <960103135821_30624218-+AT+-mail02.mail.aol.com> Selenay & Daren, Talia & Dirk, Elspeth & Darkwind, Vanyel & 'Lendel, Vanyel & Stefan, Randale & Shivra, Jisa & I forgot his name, Keren & Sherril, Keren & Ylsa, and that's all I can remember, are all lifebonded and are all Heralds (excluding Stefan) Sorry Becky but I have to interject. First Darkwind is not a herald and second if I rember correctly (and I am male so I could be wrong) Elspeth and Darkwind are not lifebonded. By the way what kind of bond was Dawnfire and Trevalens? And Andesha and Firesongs?' Kissing Beckys hand for forgiveness, Robert ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 14:04:44 -0500 From: Dalisair1-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Queen's Own Message-ID: <960103140443_30628816-+AT+-emout04.mail.aol.com> God Becky another hard question. (Sighs) Having never been written about I'm not shure if the bond would be given up or not. I would assume so but I would not be willing to bet my life on it. I also seem to rember that Heralds can be chosen again if their companions die. (Can't think straight) Tired, Robert ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 14:06:57 -0500 From: Dalisair1-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Savil Message-ID: <960103140656_30631560-+AT+-emout04.mail.aol.com> So I'm not crazy! I think you're right Beck. Also does anyone think that the young Karse ambassador (Sorry no name) wil be the next Son of the Sun? Falling asleep, Robert ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Jan 1996 14:22:26 -0500 From: Tammy Harris To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Tylendel Message-ID: <276226B4C6A-+AT+-medicine.dmed.iupui.edu> On Wed, Jan 3, Gyrfalcon wrote: > On Wed, 3 Jan 1996, Tammy Harris wrote: > > > Sorry to be so vague; blame it on my little pea brain and seive-like > > memory (if only I could install a hard drive in my head!). > > Now, dear, you know that all the space in the world doesn't make a > difference, when your memory is corrupt. Awww, what gave me away? (Tammy hangs her head in shame, puts her meek face on, evil grin lurking at the edges.) > > "It's time to ask yourself what you believe" > > Where does that come from? I should know it but, well I guess my > memory's corrupted as well. (I'm glad I'm not the only one. It gets lonely out here!) It's from "Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade". After shooting Dr. Jones Senior, Evil-bad-guy (whose name has gone the way of the seive-like/corrupt memory) asks Indy this while trying to coerce him into getting the Grail. While we're on the subject, where is your sig (which I won't quote) from? I've been dying to know ever since I first joined this list! Tammy "It's time to ask yourself what you believe" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Jan 1996 14:35:53 -0500 From: Tammy Harris To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Trainees flunking Message-ID: <2765B975017-+AT+-medicine.dmed.iupui.edu> On Wed, Jan 3, Gyrfalcon wrote: > Did they? I wasn't sure about that, I know Kero was pushed into some > uniform but I don't remember the color It could've been either. They were white. Although I can't quote it, Kero looks down, plucks at the uniform, and complains about making her a target. > Also part of the internship and classes are > to impress upon the trainee the seriousness of the Heraldic position as > well as groom them into the proper maturity. Kero's early to mid > thirties by the time she gets to Valdemar. The maturity factor has > already been set long ago. All good points. But you still haven't explained why Kero and Daren got their whites before they got whatever schooling they needed. Tammy "It's time to ask yourself what you believe" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 14:57:39 -0500 From: EDooley489-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Questions about LHM Message-ID: <960103145738_83160800-+AT+-mail06.mail.aol.com> In my question about Van and Tylendel getting together someone said that Savil would have been able to sense it because of Mardic and Donni. However it appears in the book that she is just accepting Tylendel's feelings on the whole thing. "S-Lendel-I don't want to drench you with cold water, but may I remind you of what happened the last time morning arrived with you in someone else's bed? ---- T-Teacher-I think this is going to be something more than just a one-time; I think he needs me. S-Oh, havens. All right, if that's the way you think it's going-just let me know in the morning if you plan to move in with him. Or him with you, though his is the better chamber. We could use a spare for guests." >From that first conversation it doesn't seem that she would think its a bonding. And they were all surprised that Van could help Tylendel with the gate. Eric ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 14:57:24 -0500 From: EDooley489-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Savil Message-ID: <960103145723_83160651-+AT+-mail04.mail.aol.com> To answer Becky's question about Savil being Sayvil. The idea was tossed around and compared once before. I am not honestly sure what the ultimate decision was though. If I remember most people compared their personalities to link them. The name would not neccesarily mean anything as a companion could change his or her name or not give it to their chosen. Like Ghost for example with Tashir. Eric ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 14:57:36 -0500 From: EDooley489-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Tylendel Message-ID: <960103145734_83160757-+AT+-emout06.mail.aol.com> Talking about the Death Bell ringing. It is said somewhere that the bell first rang when Valdemar died. There is no clapper or whatever makes them ring inside it. Also anyone that has a companion should make the death bell ring, as when the herald dies the companion generally dies as well. I don't think it is said specifically whether the companions are the ones who make the bell ring but it seems to be a good guess to me. Who else would do it, or maybe what else would! Eric ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 15:04:23 -0500 (EST) From: EGLESTON-+AT+-GROVER.BPL.ORG To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: lifebonds (following off of Questions about LHM) Message-ID: <960103150424.481-+AT+-GROVER.BPL.ORG> I think one of the reasons why we see so many lifebonded couples in the books is that lifebonded people tend to be the kind of people who do "big things", i.e., must make large decisions, and therefore need the kind of support which a lifebond can provide. Also, the books are set at times which are crisis points -- another circumstance which might exacerbate the need for lifebonds. Lifebonds aren't the best thing to happen to a person. To be in a lifebond requires subsuming a part of your personality to the bond. In _The Black Gryphon_ we see Tamsin and Cinnabar. He's not noble, she is, and if there weren't a war, they couldn't acknowledge their lifebond in the very public way that they do. I think it is also in _The Black Gryphon_ where it is pointed out that in a lifebond, you end up forgoing anything which upsets your lifemate, because everything resonates back along the bond. (For a frivolous example, if one partner was a fan of the Three Stooges and the other found them violent and frightening, then it would be goodbye Larry Curly and Moe.) But a lifebond is a wall to put your back against. If you are a Herald, going out and risking your life to help people, you need someone who you can absolutely rely on. And if you are the sort of person who is good at some things, and bad at human relationships, you will probably need a lifemate. Think about it. Talia can read emotions, but she has to learn to understand motiviations. And she is just plain poor at understanding her own value. Vanyel, too, does poorly at understanding the motivations of others at first. And growing up in an environment where he is always judged inadequate has left a mark on his psyche. I suspect that coming to accept a lifebond is more difficult for the person who is the more stable half of the partnership, actually. Dirk desperately wants Talia to be happy, but he can't bring himself to understand that _he_ is what she wants. After all, she's extraordinary, and he's not. Oh, well, that was my breaktime. Back to work. Cindy (This is much better than shovelling snow!) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Jan 96 14:27:00 cst From: "Thomas, Daria" To: 'mercedes-lackey' Subject: RE: Flunk Message-ID: <30EAE6E9-+AT+-mailsrvr.bussvc.wisc.edu> >Can Herald trainees flunk? > >Cindy D. > > The awnser is Yes. The circle must approve them before the go on their >internship. But they can't flunk out. It's kinda like getting reycycled. You >just have to train some more. > > Trying to decide weather he wants to be a vampire or a herald, > Robert And remember when Orthallen was trying to get Skif exiled to the country to clean out Army stables for four years? I suppose that would be considered being temporarily "expelled!" ;) -Daria ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 15:39:17 -0500 (EST) From: Gyrfalcon To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Tylendel Message-ID: > While we're on the subject, where is your sig (which I won't quote) > from? I've been dying to know ever since I first joined this list! > > Tammy Well, since you asked so nicely... I wrote it, It's part of a file that I keep on my homepage. http://menger.eecs.stevens-tech.edu/~msowers the entire file is called Introspections, and just keeps getting larger and larger, eventually I'm going to have to update it but until then... Fair winds and skies, --Gyrfalcon =======================msowers-+AT+-menger.eecs.stevens-tech.edu=================== Magic still exists. We have only to reach out and touch it, it is a part of the very fabric of the world. When our belief of magic completely dies this universe shall die. Because that magic; Hope, Dreams, Love, Beauty, Wonder, Belief, and Discovery are what make us a people. They are all part of a great Art whose workings are still a mystery but whose applications can be seen every day. If we ever lose the Art mankind shall not last the day. Let the magic that is in us roam free in our work, play, in each other, and most of all in ourselves. Let it roam free or it will die. ============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 15:54:02 -0500 (EST) From: Gyrfalcon To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Trainees flunking Message-ID: On Wed, 3 Jan 1996, Tammy Harris wrote: > All good points. But you still haven't explained why Kero and Daren > got their whites before they got whatever schooling they needed. I was trying to avoid that. --Gyrfalcon =======================msowers-+AT+-menger.eecs.stevens-tech.edu=================== Magic still exists. We have only to reach out and touch it, it is a part of the very fabric of the world. When our belief of magic completely dies this universe shall die. Because that magic; Hope, Dreams, Love, Beauty, Wonder, Belief, and Discovery are what make us a people. They are all part of a great Art whose workings are still a mystery but whose applications can be seen every day. If we ever lose the Art mankind shall not last the day. Let the magic that is in us roam free in our work, play, in each other, and most of all in ourselves. Let it roam free or it will die. ============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 14:06:35 -0800 (PST) From: "Patrick S. Waterlander" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Savil Message-ID: On Wed, 3 Jan 1996 Dalisair1-+AT+-aol.com wrote: > So I'm not crazy! I think you're right Beck. Also does anyone think that the > young Karse ambassador (Sorry no name) wil be the next Son of the Sun? > > Falling asleep, > Robert > In my opinion, he is the wrong age. The current Son of the Sun is a young woman, and by the time she passes away, if it is naturally, he will be middle aged, or almost there. But on the other hand, if she dies by murder, accident, etc. then yes, I think he would probably take the position. -Mannaheim ------------------------------ Date: 03 Jan 96 17:05:56 EST From: "James T. Yardley" <73201.745-+AT+-compuserve.com> To: Mercedes Lackey Mailing Subject: Copy of: Re: Questions about LHM Message-ID: <960103220556_73201.745_JHE66-1-+AT+-CompuServe.COM> ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- From: James T. Yardley, 73201,745 TO: INTERNET:EDooley489-+AT+-aol.com, INTERNET:EDooley489-+AT+-aol.com DATE: 1/2/96 7:37 PM RE: Copy of: Re: Questions about LHM Eric writes: >>The first thing is when Vanyel and Tylendel get together and have sex. They have just been together one night and Tylendel asks Van about moving into his room. Savil seems to think this is fine and doesn't mind at all. Now no one at that time knew they were bonded and in fact most didn't know until just before Tylendel died or right after. So doesn't that seem a bit quick and odd to anyone else. One night doesn't normally make a relationship. I know they talked a lot and stuff but come on really.<< well - you say that no one knew they were bonded. it would probably be closer to the truth to say that no one knew that they were formally bonded. i would guess that they themselves knew subconsciously. also, neither of them seems like the type to sleep around; what happens between them is not just casual sex. Tylendel says, "he handed the key to himself and he wanted me to have it." That, to me, suggests more than simply a night together. And i believe Lendel also says, when Savil reminds him of the Nevis affair, that "this is different." They most certainly did talk a lot and stuff - Vanyel told Lendel more about himself than he had ever told anyone. He cried in Lendel's arms. And Lendel says that they talked for hours afterwards. It may only have been one night, but I personally see it as a major turning point in Van's life - for the first time he really opens up to someone. Eric writes about lifebonding: >> Misty provides us with two very different examples with her main characters in Van's series and Talia's. I got the impression that Vanyel and Tylendel just sort of fell in together and their bond strengthened over time to a point where Tylendel could use Van's mage potential to make that gate... However with Talia and Dirk we seem to have something different. They meet when she is coming in from being chosen, briefly. Then not for awhile and she seems to forget him completely. Then it becomes a matter of them bumping into each other. Eventually the two get closer along with Kris who sort of muddies the water for everyone for awhile; through no fault of his own. But for a long time Dirk seems to deny it and so does Talia. So they both suffer and are miserable. It takes a crisis and Talia's almost death to bring them together. Comparing the two you would almost think it was two different things happening there. So do life bondings just happen and the two can't really control it? It would seem to be that way from these examples. If that is the case it seems like they could be a curse as well as a blessing for the couple.<< ok. here again is your idea that Van and Lendel's night together was just that. since i see it as a lot more, i originally was thinking that their lifebonding was strong right from the beginning. however, Lendel says about the link that they are both feeling "I think it happened some time between when I started the fit and when I came out of the backlash coma." so i was wrong :> anyway. Misty does say IIRC that lifebondings are not as wonderful and perfect and sappily romantic as the ballads make out - that they can be very difficult things and, as you say, can sometimes be a curse; and no, the people involved have no control over them. however, i wouldn't exactly say that the lifebonds *caused* misery. in Talia and Dirk's case, their problem is not so much denial as miscommunication, and in Lendel and Van's case, the problem is Lendel's insanity caused by his brother's death. just the way i see it :> - Meg ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 14:10:29 -0800 (PST) From: "Patrick S. Waterlander" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Questions about LHM Message-ID: On Wed, 3 Jan 1996 Dalisair1-+AT+-aol.com wrote: > Sorry Becky but I have to interject. First Darkwind is not a herald and > second if I rember correctly (and I am male so I could be wrong) Elspeth and > Darkwind are not lifebonded. By the way what kind of bond was Dawnfire and > Trevalens? And Andesha and Firesongs?' > > Kissing Beckys hand for forgiveness, > Robert > The bond that Dawnfire had with Trevalen was a lifebond. At one point in the Winds series he realizes that he is lifebonded to her, and is depressed because he cannot be with her, and also fears that the Star Eyed will be angry with him. (Just adding my two bits worth) -Mannaheim (Sorry no sig, but it's too big to put here) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 18:27:05 -0500 From: knelson-+AT+-ids2.idsonline.com (NELSON) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Trainees flunking Message-ID: <199601032327.SAA01651-+AT+-ids2.idsonline.com> > >>> Can Herald trainees flunk? >>> >>> Cindy D. > >>I suppose that it depends on if they were ready to be a herald. Herald >>trainees probably COULD flunk, but wouldn't just because of the very >>nature of Heralds. >> >> (:*BECKY*:) > >But they can't really can they - I mean what do their companions, that they've >just spent 3 or more years bonding with, do? Say "sorry about that, it was fun >knowing you" and go find someone else? I reckon that if you're chosen, that's >it. The very fact of being selected by your companion ensures that you're >going to be a herald - all this passing of your intern (?) year is just a >formality. That's possibly why Kero and Daren get straight into whites - they >have no need of 'training' - they've spent a large chunk of their lives doing >just that. It's just a matter of experience as to when you get your whites. >And (I don't know if my english teacher would even notice I'd started with an >'and') if being a herald was not a foregone conclusion of being chosen, why were >Selenay and Talia so estatic when Elspeth got chosen - they knew she'd get to >be a herald. > >'s e do bheatha, > >Debbi (whose car got crunched yesterday - and I wasn't even it the flaming thing >- it was minding it's own business in the car park - heigh hoh, such is life) > >I think the trainees just receive individualized training which keeps them up to date. Since they have been chosen, they are more dedicated students. It seems they are trained until they are ready, not flunked if they are not! Maybe, our school system could learn from that! Kristy > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 21:02:00 -0500 (EST) From: Rosario Holsen-Baker To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: RE: Flunk Message-ID: > > >Can Herald trainees flunk? > > > >Cindy D. > > > > The awnser is Yes. The circle must approve them before the go on their > >internship. But they can't flunk out. It's kinda like getting reycycled. > You > >just have to train some more. > > > > Trying to decide weather he wants to be a vampire or a herald, > > Robert > > And remember when Orthallen was trying to get Skif exiled to the country to > clean out Army stables for four years? I suppose that would be considered > being temporarily "expelled!" ;) > -Daria > The word is "suspended." :) I think that getting repudiated would count as being expelled. I suppose the modern day equivelant of 'Lendel's case would be expulsion, with a mandatory counseling program, since the poor kid was pretty well messed up. And maybe after he put himself back together (well, if he hadn't suicided) he would be accepted back again, or something. |--------------------------------<>------------------------------| | I would there were no age between sixteen and three-and-twenty | | or that youth would sleep out the rest, | | for there is nothing in the between but | | getting wenches with child, wronging the ancientry, stealing, fighting | |------------------------------------------------------------------------| ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 23:29:48 -0500 From: duvall.23-+AT+-postbox.acs.ohio-state.edu (Stacy Hunt DuVall) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Karal as Son of the Sun Message-ID: <199601040429.XAA01308-+AT+-postbox.acs.ohio-state.edu> On Jan 3, 1996, Robert wrote: > So I'm not crazy! I think you're right Beck. Also does anyone think that the >young Karse ambassador (Sorry no name) wil be the next Son of the Sun? > Are you sure? :-) IIRC, Ulrich was once speaking about Karal's potential as a priest to Karal in _Storm Warning_. I believe he said something to the effect that Solaris was someone who understood the needs of her people, and could deal with the politics of her country, wheras Karal was much more suited to helping individual people. Based on this, I don't think that he'll ever be the SotS. Stacy Hunt DuVall duvall.23-+AT+-osu.edu "I think so, Brain, but if they called them sad meals, kids wouldn't buy them" ---Pinky ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 23:44:37 -0500 From: duvall.23-+AT+-postbox.acs.ohio-state.edu (Stacy Hunt DuVall) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Tylendel Message-ID: <199601040444.XAA03224-+AT+-postbox.acs.ohio-state.edu> On Jan 3, 1996, Jaguar wrote: >> whites with heraldic honour. I don't think they had time to expel him after >> whatever-her-name was (Gayla??) > > Gala. But that brings up an interesting point, because Gayla (or >something like that) is the Houskeeper for the Collegium. Or maybe >Misty's just recycling names. :) I vote that she's just recycling names and name sounds. After all, how many Davids, Mikes, Jennifers and even (grin) Stacys do you know? :-) Stacy Hunt DuVall duvall.23-+AT+-osu.edu "I think so, Brain, but if they called them sad meals, kids wouldn't buy them" ---Pinky ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 23:54:12 -0500 From: duvall.23-+AT+-postbox.acs.ohio-state.edu (Stacy Hunt DuVall) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Kero and Daren's Whites Message-ID: <199601040454.XAA04364-+AT+-postbox.acs.ohio-state.edu> On the subject of the "giving of whites": I think that the reason they may have gotten their whites prematurely is because of their previous status as leaders. Kero was the Captain of a very successful merc company and Daren is, after all, a prince who is not from Valdemar. Perhaps the whites were given early to avoid any possible bad feelings on the part of Rethwellan's nobility...and it could be just something Misty wrote and we're just supposed to accept . My $0.02 Stacy Hunt DuVall duvall.23-+AT+-osu.edu "I think so, Brain, but if they called them sad meals, kids wouldn't buy them" ---Pinky ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Jan 1996 00:02:05 -0500 From: duvall.23-+AT+-postbox.acs.ohio-state.edu (Stacy Hunt DuVall) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: RE: Flunk Message-ID: <199601040502.AAA05458-+AT+-postbox.acs.ohio-state.edu> On Jan 3, 1996 Jaguar wrote: > > The word is "suspended." :) > I think that getting repudiated would count as being expelled. I >suppose the modern day equivelant of 'Lendel's case would be expulsion, >with a mandatory counseling program, since the poor kid was pretty well >messed up. And maybe after he put himself back together (well, if he >hadn't suicided) he would be accepted back again, or something. > I'm on a virtual posting marathon today! IIRC, there have only been a few repudiations (is that a word? doesn't really sound like one) in the history of heralds. Tylendel is the only one I'm sure of, and I believe Lavan Firestorm was repudiated. A Companion breaking the bond with his/her Chosen is the result of the Chosen doing something really evil, I think, so that's why there are so few Chosen being repudiated. Stacy Hunt DuVall duvall.23-+AT+-osu.edu "I think so, Brain, but if they called them sad meals, kids wouldn't buy them" ---Pinky ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 21:12:13 -0800 (PST) From: Becky Anne Christensen To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Queen's Own Message-ID: On Wed, 3 Jan 1996, Mat Timmerman wrote: > From: Becky Anne Christensen > > > >Okay, the book says that when the current queen's own dies, the companion > >goes out and usually picks another herald to be the new queen's own. BUT > >aren't the herald/companion bondings for life? Wouldn't the new queen's > >own old companion die? Do companions die of old age? Or only if their > >herals does? Because if the queen's own died, and the companion picked a > >new one, then that one died, and the companion didn't, it could be > >hundreds of years old. Or, if the queen's own companion dies, would the > >queen's own die as well? > > > As others have said already, the Monarch's Own Companion (MOC) > is a special case. As far as we've seen, only the MOC rebonds after > his Chosen's death. He is always a he, and never ages. Non-Groveborn > Companions do grow old, though we don't know about Groveborn, non-MOC's > (ala Gwena). > > Mat > accmjt-+AT+-vaxc.hofstra.edu > VAX is the source of all evil. > > Okay, I get it now, thanks to everyone that answered me! (:*BECKY*:) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 21:14:20 -0800 (PST) From: Becky Anne Christensen To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Queen's Own Message-ID: On Wed, 3 Jan 1996, Mat Timmerman wrote: > From: Becky Anne Christensen > > > > One more question It does say in Arrows > >of the Queen that the new Monarch's Own is usually already a Herald, > >right? So if he/she was already a Herald, then he/she would already have > >a Companion. Would they give up their first Companion to bond to the > >Monarch's Own Companion? That doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Heralds > >have a deep bond with their Companions, how could a Herald just give up > >his first Companion? > > Can I hear a collective moan of anguish from the list at large? :) > Sorry about that Becky, I just had to get that off of my chest. A > few months ago, we spent a looong time debating this one. IIRC, > the general consensus was that a trainee who would be the next > Monarch's Own would get an unbonded Choosing, as Vanyel suggests > about Jisa in MPrice (or it could be MPromise). Then, when he/she > gets Chosen as MO, the other Companion probably goes on to Choose > his/her "real" Chosen. > > Mat > accmjt-+AT+-vaxc.hofstra.edu > VAX is the source of all evil. > > > Okay, no more questions (thunderous aplause:)) Thank you, that does make a lot of sense. Don't be sorry, I deserved it. (:*BECKY*:) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 21:19:08 -0800 (PST) From: Becky Anne Christensen To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Need's Story Message-ID: > most subscribers from? Have you always believed in magic or are you a > recent convert? It's great to see that science is not conquering the > world and that magic (and fantasy) still have a chance. Would you > compare this writing on the Internet, what I'll call WriteSpeech as > similar to MindSpeech? Well, I subscribed to this list beause I love her books. I don't think I believe in magic, but you can never be sure...I'd have to see it to make up my mind. (:*BECKY*:) > > I have read quite a few of ML's books but I can't recall which > book reveals to us the story of Need, the sword. And do we ever get all > of her story or only part of it?. How old is she and what is her real > name? I only remember vague bits and pieces. Maybe I'm still asleep > too, please just don't drop me down a well! > > Lee > We find out a lot about the sword when it wakes up in Winds of Change, if I remember right. It naver gave an exact age, but it was before the was between Urtho and Maar. It just drops subtle hints, guess we'll have to piece it together. I can't recall if there was anything about it in other books, besides By the Sword. (:*BECKY*:) ------------------------------ End of MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 288 *********************************