MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 289 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Tylendel by Becky Anne Christensen 2) Re: Questions about LHM by Becky Anne Christensen 3) Re: Questions about LHM by Becky Anne Christensen 4) Re: Questions about LHM by Becky Anne Christensen 5) Re: Tylendel by mealink-+AT+-syd.au.swissbank.com (Kerry Mealing) 6) Re: FAQ - was Re: Savil by mealink-+AT+-syd.au.swissbank.com (Kerry Mealing) 7) Re: Tylendel by Becky Anne Christensen 8) Re: Trainees flunking by Becky Anne Christensen 9) Re: Tylendel by Becky Anne Christensen 10) Re: Questions about LHM by Becky Anne Christensen 11) Re: Questions about LHM by Becky Anne Christensen 12) Re: Queen's Own by Becky Anne Christensen 13) Re: Kero and Daren's Whites by Lee Bromberger 14) Re: Questions about LHM by mealink-+AT+-syd.au.swissbank.com (Kerry Mealing) 15) Re: Questions about LHM by Mary Temple 16) Makaar - was Re: HAPPY HAPPY, JOY JOY!! by mealink-+AT+-syd.au.swissbank.com (Kerry Mealing) 17) Re: Trainees flunking by dbackhau-+AT+-isou10.estec.esa.nl 18) Re: the eternal lifebond question by dbackhau-+AT+-isou10.estec.esa.nl 19) Re: FAQ - was Re: Savil by mel (Melanie Dymond Harper) 20) Re: Tylendel by STOKES J <95662014-+AT+-mmu.ac.uk> 21) Re: Savil by Gyrfalcon 22) Re: Questions about LHM by Catherine Osborne 23) Re: Questions about LHM by Gyrfalcon ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 21:33:55 -0800 (PST) From: Becky Anne Christensen To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Tylendel Message-ID: On Wed, 3 Jan 1996, Sanna Koulu wrote: > Becky wrote: > > > On Tue, 2 Jan 1996 EGLESTON-+AT+-GROVER.BPL.ORG wrote: > > > > > Just to add my two cents -- I think that Tylendel was also buried with > > > honors because the Death Bell rang for him when he died. I can't find > > > the reference at the moment, but I'm pretty sure that the bell rings of > > > its own accord when a Herald dies. And if the bell rang for Tylendel, > > > then he was -- when he died -- a Herald. It wasn't a judgement made by > > > a human judge. > > > > You're right, it does ring all by itself, because there is > > nothing attached to it to make it ring. It does make sense now. Thanks! > > > > Questionmark? Isn't it the Companions who make the Bell ring? I don't > think it's stated straight out anywhere, but that's the image I've > got. And the Companions are kinda human... :) > > > -Seanna > > Okay, I just looked it up, on page 126 in my book (hardback), Just a little into ch. 8..... Skif says that King Valdemar had a bell tower out up, but the bell wasn't out in until the day before he died. There was no rope, and no clapper. The bell was firdt heard the next morning, with all the Companions gahtered around staring. So, it doesn't actually say what rings it. There a 2 possibilities that I can think of right now. First, that it has something to do with the web of heralds. But that doesn't make sense, because the web as we know it came with Vanyel, he made everything connected. That basically leaves a God or Goddess, or the Companions. I'm not sure which it would be, probably Companions. (:*BECKY*:) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 21:37:31 -0800 (PST) From: Becky Anne Christensen To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Questions about LHM Message-ID: On Wed, 3 Jan 1996, Sanna Koulu wrote: > Becky wrote: > > > One thing I've noticed, the books all say lifebonding is rare, > > and even rarer among heralds. > > Actually, not so. It's more common (though still rare - a fact that > seems to have been totally forgotten after being stated in AQueen) > among Heralds than among the general populace. Apparently the higher > concentration of Gifted people in Heralds (remember, there's some > Heralds who aren't really Gifted) and possibly their more self- > sacrificing nature account for the difference. > > > -Seanna > > Still, I swear that in one of those books, someone was talking and was saying that it's rarer among heralds because they are bonded first to their Companions, then to their duty, which leaves little room for anything else. I can't remember which book it said that in though... I'll look it up. (:*BECKY*:) Who seems to be using her ML books more than her textbooks:) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 21:42:06 -0800 (PST) From: Becky Anne Christensen To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Questions about LHM Message-ID: On Wed, 3 Jan 1996, Sanna Koulu wrote: > Becky wrote: > > > One thing I've noticed, the books all say lifebonding is rare, > > and even rarer among heralds. > > Actually, not so. It's more common (though still rare - a fact that > seems to have been totally forgotten after being stated in AQueen) > among Heralds than among the general populace. Apparently the higher > concentration of Gifted people in Heralds (remember, there's some > Heralds who aren't really Gifted) and possibly their more self- > sacrificing nature account for the difference. > > > -Seanna > > AHA! I just found it, it's a couple of pages before all the stuff about the Death Bell, the end of Chapter 7(Arrows of the Queen). Talia was getting emotions from Ylsa about her lifebonding. I was mistaken, she says and I quote: "Rare among Heralds, rarer still in the general popualtion..." oops...Sorry, my mistake. I was close though, just switch a few words.... (:*BECKY*:) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 21:46:57 -0800 (PST) From: Becky Anne Christensen To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Questions about LHM Message-ID: On Wed, 3 Jan 1996, Gyrfalcon wrote: > On Wed, 3 Jan 1996, Becky Anne Christensen wrote: > > > > > One thing I've noticed, the books all say lifebonding is rare, > > and even rarer among heralds. Selenay & Daren, Talia & Dirk, Elspeth & > > Darkwind, Vanyel & 'Lendel, Vanyel & Stefan, Randale & Shivra, Jisa & > > I forgot his name, Keren & Sherril, Keren & Ylsa, and that's all I can > > remember, are all lifebonded and are all Heralds (excluding Stefan). And > > Amberdrake & Winterhart are bonded too, my guess is tht they WOULD have > > been heralds, but were born in the wrong time. > > IIRC, lifebonding in "normal" people is rarer than those who are Heralds > or have herald potential. One of the things that forces a couple to LB > is their emotional stability. An unstable person is likely to LB with > one who is stable and sure of themselves etc. Example: Van & Tylendel, > Kerren & Sherril, Talia and Dirk. Also, IIRC Elspeth and Darkwind are > NOT lifebonded, and neither are Kerowyn and Eldan(?), they are love > bonded, which is less rare but more.... Enjoyable? > I do have to disagree that both Amberdrake and Winterhart would have been > Heralds. They both were healers, and had that peculiar healer > mindset... "A little selfishness is good for the spirit. That's why > healers make lousy Heralds" (Paraphrased from one of the Arrows books) > > Fair winds and skies, > > --Gyrfalcon I got the impression that Elspeht and Darkwind were, but it never actually did say. So they probably are just love bonded. I kne Kero and ELdan weren't, she couldn't have left him that easily. Wasn't Shavri a Herald, and she was a healer, but Amberdrake was mostly a kestrs'chern bofore a Healer. He was always serving others. But there are always exceptions for everyrule, and Randale needed Shavri. What ever happened to all the kestra'cherns anyways? We don't hear about them except in the past. (:*BECKY*:) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Jan 96 16:40:52 EST From: mealink-+AT+-syd.au.swissbank.com (Kerry Mealing) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Tylendel Message-ID: <9601040540.AA26959-+AT+-syd.au.swissbank.com> Seanna wrote: (I just accidently deleted the message but it was basically that the companions cause the death bell to toll as evidenced by them standing around staring at it). It just occurred to me that it probably isn't the companions causing it to toll, purely for aesthetic reasons. I mean, a herald's just died - I can't see a group (I refuse to say herd) of companions galloping up to the bell to stare at it - it sounds like something out of a Monty python skit ("To the bell! Quickly lads!"). :) Kidding aside, they simply couldn't get there in time - in all the examples there's maybe three to five seconds (roughly) between the Heralds feeling the Herald die and the bell starting to toll - not enough time for the companions to get to the bell (never mind the unsubtlety of a group of companions pounding away down to the bell, turf flying everywhere - "Can't stop, got a bell to ring.") Hmmm, I promised to stop kidding. Seriously (honest.. really), the best example is when Kilchas (the old war-mage from Van's time) dies - a companion died too. Similarly for Savil.. *Especially* for Savil considering that the raven-construct took out Kellan (S's companion) on the way out before the other companions could get there to help. The bell still range despite them being distracted. Hmmm again. I think I'm obsessed.. nit-picks. Is anal retentive hyphenated? :) Side questions: - Does it toll for companions? - Do Heralds feel it when companions die? (I know companions do). Vice versa. Seanna wrote: (See, I can quote!) > Becky wrote: > > > If you aren't a full Herald, but a trainee just starting, (i.e. before > > > your third year) and something gets you killed, does the Death Bell ring? > > I don't think that has anything to do with it. It might be that a > Herald-trainee only gets fully into the Web after a few years of > Companion-bonding, so one would only sense the deaths of other Heralds > when close to "graduation". > There's two different questions there: 1) does the death bell ring for > trainees? Yes, since it rang for Lendel. > > 2) Does the Web transmit > knowledge of a trainee's death (before the 3rd year, about)? That's > more in doubt, since they aren't really in the Web yet, it seems. > All IMNSHO, of course ... Both of these make sense. Remember, Heralds are tied into the web through their companions (I think.. Or did Van just use the companion network to guide the formation of the Web?), so they're probably not going to get connected to the Web until it can find them (ie when their Herald-Companion bond is strong enough). The H-C bond (sheesh, brings back memories of chemistry) gets stronger over time - perhaps the 3rd year is when on average it's strong enough. Really strong bonds like Talia-Rolan's might mean that Talia would be in the Web sooner (actually that kinda fits - she did pick up on herald deaths very early IIRC). All etched in stone tablets with friezes saying "The one true way". (And if you believe that, I've got this wonderful bridge, going cheap.) :) Kerry. Help Wanted: Telepath. You know where to apply. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Jan 96 16:51:52 EST From: mealink-+AT+-syd.au.swissbank.com (Kerry Mealing) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: FAQ - was Re: Savil Message-ID: <9601040551.AA27171-+AT+-syd.au.swissbank.com> Gyrfalcon wrote: > I seem to remember this thread before. Does anyone have a FAQ of the > compiled information? I do seem to remember somebody either mentioning > one or the intention to make one... (Or maybe it was the necessity of > such a document, I can't remember.) It was I (wow.. grammar.. I *am* on a roll today). I suggested it, started putting one together and asked if anyone thought it was a useful idea but got nary a response. Correction, Mel kindly pointed out that the official faq already contained a similar thread to the one I was advocating faq'ing (new verb, patent pending) so I slunk away in abject desolation (and there was heard a weeping & wailing and gnashing of teeth). (Perhaps I shouldn't have read all those Wodehouse books over the holidays..) I think I'll be brave and fish it out and finish it regardless of whether folks think it's a good idea. :) Kerry. A woman's weapon is that she thinks -- and then she acts, without hesitation. -- Mercedes Lackey, "A Woman's Weapon," S&S IX (Hmmm, obviously she's never been dragged clothes shopping by a girlfriend.) :) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 22:06:29 -0800 (PST) From: Becky Anne Christensen To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Tylendel Message-ID: > > Gala. But that brings up an interesting point, because Gayla (or > something like that) is the Houskeeper for the Collegium. Or maybe > Misty's just recycling names. :) Speaking of which....what about Medren Van's nephew, and Medren the cook when Talis is there....It's probably just recycling though. (:*BECKY*:) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 22:09:26 -0800 (PST) From: Becky Anne Christensen To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Trainees flunking Message-ID: On Wed, 3 Jan 1996, Gyrfalcon wrote: > On Wed, 3 Jan 1996, Tammy Harris wrote: > > > On Wed, Jan 3, Gyrfalcon wrote: > > > > > at the end of BTS, where Kero offers to give up her captains position of > > > war, the necessity of having them around etc.) > > > > This still doesn't explain why they got their whites right away, > > rather than *after* they finished their schooling. The only > > explanation I've come up with is to distinguish them from the > > 'regular' Herald-trainee. But this doesn't make sense. Neither Kero > > nor Daren seems likely to want or need the formality, and Kero would > > probably prefer the student greys, anyway, as being less obvious > > targets. Just MHO. > > Did they? I wasn't sure about that, I know Kero was pushed into some > uniform but I don't remember the color It could've been either. And > you're right, Kero would have been more comfortable in the student > grays. Except for the fact that in the grays she would stand out more > than than among the Heralds. And knowing Kero she didn't wear her > uniforms unless there was a Formal Ceremony. IIRC Elspeth was suprised > when Kero handed her a set of whites from the office. She hadn't known > that Kero kept another set. Also part of the internship and classes are > to impress upon the trainee the seriousness of the Heraldic position as > well as groom them into the proper maturity. Kero's early to mid > thirties by the time she gets to Valdemar. The maturity factor has > already been set long ago. > > --Gyrfalcon Kero wears the same thing that Alberich wears, the brown? leathers. Which does make sense, because she is extremely strong willed and wouldn't wear anything unless she wanted to, or by direct oreder of the Queen. (:*BECKY*:) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 22:13:08 -0800 (PST) From: Becky Anne Christensen To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Tylendel Message-ID: On Wed, 3 Jan 1996 RUNDLE-+AT+-wilma.bcasd.az.honeywell.com wrote: > If "that fathead" Lores can become a Herald, I've got to assume that anyone > who is chosen WILL become a Herald eventually. But there's other possibilities: Well, he did get better towards the end, wasn't he Tashir trainer since Tashir couldn't go to Haven? I suppose even Heralds make mistakes, but he sure learned his lesson. Although I couldn't believe that any HErald wouldn't know a Companion unless the Companion wished it..... (:*BECKY*:) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 22:15:24 -0800 (PST) From: Becky Anne Christensen To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Questions about LHM Message-ID: On Wed, 3 Jan 1996 Dalisair1-+AT+-aol.com wrote: > You are absolutely right! In some book or other someone says that they envy > someone with a lifebond and are quickly set straight. (Someone please look it > up!) Lifebonding IS a wonderful thing but it is also a curse. Too tired to > explain but I know someone else will. > > "Do you want to be my angel?"-Todies- Possum Kingdom > Robert > In Winds of Fury, the end of chapter five when Stefan id talking to Skif and Nyara. He talks a lot about lifebonding. (:*BECKY*:) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 22:16:55 -0800 (PST) From: Becky Anne Christensen To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Questions about LHM Message-ID: On Wed, 3 Jan 1996 Dalisair1-+AT+-aol.com wrote: > Selenay & Daren, Talia & Dirk, Elspeth & > Darkwind, Vanyel & 'Lendel, Vanyel & Stefan, Randale & Shivra, Jisa & > I forgot his name, Keren & Sherril, Keren & Ylsa, and that's all I can > remember, are all lifebonded and are all Heralds (excluding Stefan) > > Sorry Becky but I have to interject. First Darkwind is not a herald and > second if I rember correctly (and I am male so I could be wrong) Elspeth and > Darkwind are not lifebonded. By the way what kind of bond was Dawnfire and > Trevalens? And Andesha and Firesongs?' > > Kissing Beckys hand for forgiveness, > Robert > You're absolutely correct, my mistake, but I did get the impression that Darkwind and Elspeth were. I guess my brain needs a jumpstart after vacation! (:*BECKY*:) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 22:19:49 -0800 (PST) From: Becky Anne Christensen To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Queen's Own Message-ID: On Wed, 3 Jan 1996 Dalisair1-+AT+-aol.com wrote: > God Becky another hard question. (Sighs) Having never been written about I'm > not shure if the bond would be given up or not. I would assume so but I would > not be willing to bet my life on it. I also seem to rember that Heralds can > be chosen again if their companions die. (Can't think straight) > > Tired, > Robert > I understand, I think someone else already explained it to me though, like what happened with Jisa, I still can't balieve I completely forgot about Vanyel talking about Jisa being the next Queen's Own. I went back and read it, it was a completely obvious answer! My brain isn't functioning right! I had just read the book a few days ago too. (:*BECKY*:) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Jan 1996 01:20:28 -0500 (EST) From: Lee Bromberger To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Kero and Daren's Whites Message-ID: On Thu, 4 Jan 1996, Stacy Hunt DuVall wrote: > On the subject of the "giving of whites": > I think that the reason they may have gotten their whites prematurely is > because of their previous status as leaders. Kero was the Captain of a very > successful merc company and Daren is, after all, a prince who is not from > Valdemar. Perhaps the whites were given early to avoid any possible bad > feelings on the part of Rethwellan's nobility...and it could be just > something Misty wrote and we're just supposed to accept . > > My $0.02 > > Stacy Hunt DuVall > duvall.23-+AT+-osu.edu > > "I think so, Brain, but if they called them sad meals, kids wouldn't buy > them" ---Pinky > > Possible Reasons Kero and Daren received their whites early- L-no Grays were available in their sizes A-Enemies of Valdemar manipulated the situation so Kero and Daren would become more blatently visible "oh shoot me now" sooner rather than later. C-Everyone realized the training in arms and tactical Kero and Daren received from Tarma was equal if not better to what they would receive as a new Heralds. They were given Credit for Prior Learning Experiences and were granted the privilege of wearing whites with the condition that they complete the remainder of their required training. Did someone say it would take them 6 months to finish the training? Kero & Daren were recognized as mature, responsible, intelligent leaders who already had more experience than many of the Heralds and they weren't going to take a chance on insulting them, especially the Queen's Lifebonded! K-Valdemar wanted to show their appreciation and gratitude to Kero and Daren for their part in Saving Selenay and Valdemar from Ancar. E- C and K Y- A, C, and K I guess I've been taking too many multiple guess tests. Does it show?! I've always relied on female intuition whenever I wasn't sure of the answer, but in this case I'm torn between E and Y. So much for female intuition. I'd love to hear your thoughts. Reallee! Take care, Lee ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Jan 96 17:47:17 EST From: mealink-+AT+-syd.au.swissbank.com (Kerry Mealing) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Questions about LHM Message-ID: <9601040647.AA28785-+AT+-syd.au.swissbank.com> Becky wrote: > On Wed, 3 Jan 1996, Sanna Koulu wrote: > > Becky wrote: > > > > > One thing I've noticed, the books all say lifebonding is rare, > > > and even rarer among heralds. > > > > Actually, not so. It's more common (though still rare - a fact that > > seems to have been totally forgotten after being stated in AQueen) > > among Heralds than among the general populace. Apparently the higher > > concentration of Gifted people in Heralds (remember, there's some > > Heralds who aren't really Gifted) and possibly their more self- > > sacrificing nature account for the difference. > > > Still, I swear that in one of those books, someone was talking > and was saying that it's rarer among heralds because they are bonded > first to their Companions, then to their duty, which leaves little room > for anything else. I can't remember which book it said that in though... > I'll look it up. Firstly, Hi Becky, welcome to the club (Lackey Anonymous, for the addicts who can't get enough ). Now that you mention it, I remember the bit you mentioned just above. I *think* (not at all sure) that whoever was talking was comparing Heralds to Healers - as in, life-bonded are more common among healers than heralds because of blah blah.. Of course, I could (and quite possibly am) totally wrong, but the explanation at least fits both your & Seanna's ideas. Kerry. -- Work? Oh.. you mean the place that gives me my email account.. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Jan 1996 00:50:57 -0600 (CST) From: Mary Temple To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Questions about LHM Message-ID: <199601040650.AAA11757-+AT+-natashya.eden.com> At 06:33 AM 01/04/96 GMT, you wrote: > > Still, I swear that in one of those books, someone was talking >and was saying that it's rarer among heralds because they are bonded >first to their Companions, then to their duty, which leaves little room >for anything else. I can't remember which book it said that in though... >I'll look it up. Actually, I think they were talking about romantic bonds OTHER than lifebonds. The way I understand it, there's no choice w/ a lifbond, other than to accept it, while there is w/ other bonds - Simply choose to not get too close. Yeah, the more I think about it, the more I think that's how it was...'course, it's been awhile since I read them...I believe it was in the Talia trilogy...however, I could be wrong... > (:*BECKY*:) > Who seems to be using her > ML books more than her > textbooks:) > NoxCat /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Mary Temple I am the cat who walks by Himself, NoxCat and all places are alike to me. Catriona Rowley - Rudyard Kipling ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Jan 96 17:54:59 EST From: mealink-+AT+-syd.au.swissbank.com (Kerry Mealing) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Makaar - was Re: HAPPY HAPPY, JOY JOY!! Message-ID: <9601040654.AA28936-+AT+-syd.au.swissbank.com> David wrote: > Also, in response to the response to yesterday's posting, I was > referring to the makaar, not to the humans in Ma'ar's empire. I think they > mostly behaved as they did because Ma'ar used magical coercions to control > them. > On top of that, he no doubt told them hideous lies about Urtho and his > gryphons. Released from those coercions, they would become more rational. Hmmm.. Actually, I doubt he had coercions on the Makaar at all - I can't recall it being mentioned in the BG and it would seem to be an obvious vulnerability (as in, remove the coercions and the Makaar would probably turn on the one controlling them, or at least his army).. No.. my money's on them being just plain vicious.. they were bred for it after all.. Kinda like the Wyrsa. (Of course, having said that Misty will probably turn around and show that not all Wyrsa are destructive malicious creatures, but them's the breaks). I think you mentioned Makaar being mutated by the storms.. I think myself that most would have been destroyed - they were simply too close and unlike Urtho's people didn't have that warning to escape.. Still, I have a niggling suspicion that if you mutated a makaar, you just might get something like a colddrake.. (I know this was tangentially discussed some months ago re the Valdemarans fighting gryphons as mentioned in Arrows.) Cheers, Kerry. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Jan 96 09:15:45 +0100 From: dbackhau-+AT+-isou10.estec.esa.nl To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Trainees flunking Message-ID: <9601040815.AA01509-+AT+-isou10.estec.esa.nl> >On Wed, 3 Jan 1996, Tammy Harris wrote: > > > >> All good points. But you still haven't explained why Kero and Daren >> got their whites before they got whatever schooling they needed. > >I was trying to avoid that. > >- --Gyrfalcon Ah-Ha! How about because it suited the plot, and tidied up the end of the book? I mean there doesn't have to be a logical explanation for _everything_ does there? How Vulcan that would be! Debbi **************************************************************************** * The shortest unit of time in the multiverse is the New York Second, * * defined as the period of time between the traffic lights turning green * * and the cab behind you honking. * * -- Terry Pratchett, Lords and Ladies -- * **************************************************************************** I'm impressed with your homepage by the way - makes mine look very humble ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Jan 96 11:33:30 +0100 From: dbackhau-+AT+-isou10.estec.esa.nl To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: the eternal lifebond question Message-ID: <9601041033.AA01771-+AT+-isou10.estec.esa.nl> >At 06:33 AM 01/04/96 GMT, you wrote: > >> >> Still, I swear that in one of those books, someone was talking >>and was saying that it's rarer among heralds because they are bonded >>first to their Companions, then to their duty, which leaves little room >>for anything else. I can't remember which book it said that in though... >>I'll look it up. > >Actually, I think they were talking about romantic bonds OTHER than >lifebonds. The way I understand it, there's no choice w/ a lifbond, other >than to accept it, while there is w/ other bonds - Simply choose to not get >too close. Yeah, the more I think about it, the more I think that's how it >was...'course, it's been awhile since I read them...I believe it was in the >Talia trilogy...however, I could be wrong... > >> (:*BECKY*:) > >Mary Temple I am the cat who walks by Himself, >NoxCat and all places are alike to me. >Catriona Rowley - Rudyard Kipling I don't remember where, but wasn't it someone explaining to Talia that Teren ( twin of Ylsa's lifebonded - ??Sheryl??) had bee married with kids when he was chosen, and although he and his wife had been quite happy, the marriage didn't survive his being chosen and becoming a herald. The characters make me think it must have been in AoQ, and my gut tells me it was the first book - however guts are not renowned for their infallability, just their ability to churn and let you down at quiet, intimate moments (a loud gurgle is a killer for romance :-) ) Debbi **************************************************************************** * The shortest unit of time in the multiverse is the New York Second, * * defined as the period of time between the traffic lights turning green * * and the cab behind you honking. * * -- Terry Pratchett, Lords and Ladies -- * **************************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Jan 1996 10:38:01 GMT From: mel (Melanie Dymond Harper) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: FAQ - was Re: Savil Message-ID: <9601041038.AA07501-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk> Kerry said: > It was I (wow.. grammar.. I *am* on a roll today). I suggested it, > started putting one together and asked if anyone thought it was a useful > idea but got nary a response. Correction, Mel kindly pointed out that the > official faq already contained a similar thread to the one I was > advocating faq'ing (new verb, patent pending) so I slunk away in abject > desolation (and there was heard a weeping & wailing and gnashing of teeth). > (Perhaps I shouldn't have read all those Wodehouse books over the holidays..) > > I think I'll be brave and fish it out and finish it regardless of whether > folks think it's a good idea. :) > You're most welcome, Kerry, if you finish it I'll add it to the relevant bit of the official FAQ... (This applies to many other frequently-discussed threads -- if people want to send me a short-ish summary...) Cheers Mel. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Jan 1996 12:28:27 GMT From: STOKES J <95662014-+AT+-mmu.ac.uk> To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Tylendel Message-ID: <33852913E2-+AT+-EXCALIBUR.MMU.AC.UK> Date: Tue, 2 Jan 1996 20:20:36 GMT Reply-to: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk From: EGLESTON-+AT+-GROVER.BPL.ORG To: 95662014-+AT+-mmu.ac.uk Subject: Re: Tylendel Just to add my two cents -- I think that Tylendel was also buried with honors because the Death Bell rang for him when he died. I can't find the reference at the moment, but I'm pretty sure that the bell rings of its own accord when a Herald dies. And if the bell rang for Tylendel, then he was -- when he died -- a Herald. It wasn't a judgement made by a human judge. Cindy D. (who still hasn't come up with a clever by-line *sigh*) Hi I'm new to the list and this is my first message. My mailing address is at university so I've been unable to get at my mail since Dec. 15th. So today I'm plowing through 164 messages. With regards to the Death Bell; Don't the Companions have something to do with it ringing.( Remember the bell was unfinished there is only the outer dome ) Weren't all the Companions standing around the temple and staring at the tower when the bell started to ring? 'Lendel was very nearly at the end of his training all he had left was his internship with Savil to do before he got his Whites. He had therefore proved himself worthy to be a Herald and if it hadn't been for the Leshra killing Stavan he would have been a great Herald. Re: The Wars Of Light And Shadow books; they are EXELLENT I'm on pins waiting for the 4th book. I'm also dying for the release of Silver Gryphon (American Edition as the covers on the British ones are (pardon my language) utter sh*t. I wrote to Orion books to ask why they don't use Jody Lee's covers in June; To date no reply recieved. Thats all for now hope to be able to contribute again soon WTTW. Jason ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Jan 1996 07:41:02 -0500 (EST) From: Gyrfalcon To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Savil Message-ID: On Thu, 4 Jan 1996, Patrick S. Waterlander wrote: > On Wed, 3 Jan 1996 Dalisair1-+AT+-aol.com wrote: > > > So I'm not crazy! I think you're right Beck. Also does anyone think that the > > young Karse ambassador (Sorry no name) wil be the next Son of the Sun? > murder, accident, etc. then yes, I think he would probably take the > position. Personally I believe that Karal would not do well in that kind of position, I think he is destined for a role more like the Monarch's Own, a position of trust, yes, leadership? No. --Gyrfalcon =======================msowers-+AT+-menger.eecs.stevens-tech.edu=================== Magic still exists. We have only to reach out and touch it, it is a part of the very fabric of the world. When our belief of magic completely dies this universe shall die. Because that magic; Hope, Dreams, Love, Beauty, Wonder, Belief, and Discovery are what make us a people. They are all part of a great Art whose workings are still a mystery but whose applications can be seen every day. If we ever lose the Art mankind shall not last the day. Let the magic that is in us roam free in our work, play, in each other, and most of all in ourselves. Let it roam free or it will die. ============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Jan 1996 07:46:48 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine Osborne To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Questions about LHM Message-ID: On Thu, 4 Jan 1996, Becky Anne Christensen wrote: > Still, I swear that in one of those books, someone was talking > and was saying that it's rarer among heralds because they are bonded > first to their Companions, then to their duty, which leaves little room > for anything else. I can't remember which book it said that in though... > I'll look it up. Hmmm. IIRC, they actually say that lifebonds tend to be more common among Heralds, them being the sort of insanely dedicated (possibly just insane) (I want to be a Herald -- can you tell?) (digression over) people that they are, they have more of a tendency to need one. It's "normal" relationships (ones without a supernatural tie) that they tend not to have. Notice that hardly any Heralds are married who aren't lifebonded, and virtually none of them have relationships with non-Heralds. I\/ Catherine Osborne "After great pain, I\/ Sundancer a formal feeling comes." I cosborne-+AT+-sidwell.edu --Emily Dickinson I http://www.sidwell.edu/~cosborne/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Jan 1996 07:49:19 -0500 (EST) From: Gyrfalcon To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Questions about LHM Message-ID: On Thu, 4 Jan 1996, Patrick S. Waterlander wrote: > The bond that Dawnfire had with Trevalen was a lifebond. At one point in > the Winds series he realizes that he is lifebonded to her, and is > depressed because he cannot be with her, and also fears that the Star > Eyed will be angry with him. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa! Where does it ever say that they lifebonded? IIRC Trevalen was obsessed with Dawnfire, but not on the scale that Dirk was with Talia. Obsession, while a symptom of an unrecognized lifebond, is also perfectly natural in those who don't have one. Consider it, for the first time in memory your goddess creates an avatar that both the Shin'a'in and the Tal'ederas (sp?) would recognise, and you've been set the task of finding out why. Couple in the fact that the avatar has the forms of both your clan's totem and that of a lovely young woman. What hot blooded barbarian shaman wouldn't be interested, and as he was allowed to proceed, obsessed? --Gyrfalcon =======================msowers-+AT+-menger.eecs.stevens-tech.edu=================== Magic still exists. We have only to reach out and touch it, it is a part of the very fabric of the world. When our belief of magic completely dies this universe shall die. Because that magic; Hope, Dreams, Love, Beauty, Wonder, Belief, and Discovery are what make us a people. They are all part of a great Art whose workings are still a mystery but whose applications can be seen every day. If we ever lose the Art mankind shall not last the day. Let the magic that is in us roam free in our work, play, in each other, and most of all in ourselves. Let it roam free or it will die. ============================================================================== ------------------------------ End of MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 289 *********************************