MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 304

Topics covered in this issue include:

  1) Re: Firesong, Andesha, and Silverfox
	by dbackhau-+AT+-isou10.estec.esa.nl
  2) Re: threadshifting to aussies ;)
	by Kim Hatton <klhatton-+AT+-ozemail.com.au>
  3) Re: Robert Jordan (off topic)
	by Tammy Harris <TAMARAH-+AT+-medicine.dmed.iupui.edu>
  4) Re: YKYBRTMMLW:
	by Mary Temple <noxcat-+AT+-eden.com>
  5) Re: HTMNMLF... New Thread
	by "Patrick S. Waterlander" <patw-+AT+-clark.edu>
  6) Re: !!!!! (that's 5)
	by dbackhau-+AT+-isou10.estec.esa.nl
  7) Re: YKYBRTMMLW:
	by JR9332-+AT+-cub.uca.edu
  8) Re: YKYBRTMMLW:
	by Rosario Holsen-Baker <rholsen-+AT+-sidwell.edu>
  9) Re: re- myriad subjects
	by Mary Temple <noxcat-+AT+-eden.com>
 10) Re: Robert Jordan (off topic)
	by Rosario Holsen-Baker <rholsen-+AT+-sidwell.edu>
 11) Re: new Gryphon/ Storm rising
	by "Patrick S. Waterlander" <patw-+AT+-clark.edu>
 12) New thread!: Characters
	by "Patrick S. Waterlander" <patw-+AT+-clark.edu>
 13) Re: new Gryphon/ Storm rising
	by Ashke <s003yms-+AT+-desire.wright.edu>
 14) Re: Firesong, Andesha, and Silverfox
	by Ashke <s003yms-+AT+-desire.wright.edu>
 15) Subscribing
	by Ashke <s003yms-+AT+-desire.wright.edu>
 16) RE: Makaar
	by "Patrick S. Waterlander" <patw-+AT+-clark.edu>
 17) re: multiple personalities
	by "Patrick S. Waterlander" <patw-+AT+-clark.edu>
 18) Re: re: Eastern Empire
	by "Patrick S. Waterlander" <patw-+AT+-clark.edu>
 19) Re: Bough Breaks
	by Rosario Holsen-Baker <rholsen-+AT+-sidwell.edu>
 20) Re: Firesong has fallen
	by "Patrick S. Waterlander" <patw-+AT+-clark.edu>
 21) Re: threadshifting to aussies ;)
	by "Patrick S. Waterlander" <patw-+AT+-clark.edu>
 22) Re: YKYBRTMMLW:
	by Todd Kungas <tequine-+AT+-wtp.net>
 23) Re: threadshifting to aussies ;)
	by Gyrfalcon <msowers-+AT+-menger.eecs.stevens-tech.edu>
 24) Books by Misty NOT set in Velgarath (was YKYR...)
	by Staci Schoenfeld <staci-+AT+-zoom.com>
 25) Banter banter Banter: (was Re: YKYBRTMMLW:)
	by Gyrfalcon <msowers-+AT+-menger.eecs.stevens-tech.edu>
 26) Re: YKYBRTMMLW:
	by Mia Karen Sherman <seraph-+AT+-Glue.umd.edu>
 27) Re: Subscribing
	by MURANOG THE BIG CUDDLY TROLL <K939641-+AT+-crystal.kingston.ac.uk>
 28) Way off topic! (was Re: Robert Jordan (off topic))
	by Gyrfalcon <msowers-+AT+-menger.eecs.stevens-tech.edu>

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Date: Wed, 10 Jan 96 17:20:47 +0100
From: dbackhau-+AT+-isou10.estec.esa.nl
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Firesong, Andesha, and Silverfox
Message-ID: <9601101620.AA07522-+AT+-isou10.estec.esa.nl>


Seanna wrote:

> Mannaheim wrote:
> (On whether Firesong will lifebond with Silverfox, An'desha or no 
> one.)
>
>>If he does ever lifebond, it would probably be to Silverfox, not 
>>Andesha.  But then again, he probably wont lifebond at all.  But in 
>>SWarning (and I forget who said it) someone, or maybe Firesong himself, 
>>said that he cared about Andesha.  This could be just friendship, but I 
>>think that Misty would not have made mention of it unless it was important.>
>
> Remember how strongly Firesong and An'desha reacted to each other in 
> WFury? It seemed like a lot more than just lust/infatuation. 
> Especially considering that last picture (in the hardcover), I was 
> quite sure they were a lifebond. I think that they were intended to 
> be, but Misty changed her mind in between WFury and SW.

I must say that those lucky souls who've read the second Mage Storms book seem to 
suggest that Firesong and An'desha do not make it, (well, they do _make_ it, or so
I assume, but they don't actually make it, if you see what I mean <g>). This has 
surprised me as well, because of all those hints we had in Winds of Fury, when the 
avatars are showing An'desha the group of Elspeth/Darkwind/Skif/Nyara/Firesong on 
their way to .... you know, that place where whatisname, Ancar, rules - aaaaargh 
it's, it's .... nope 's gone - well anyway, on their way to wherever, and An'desha 
gets these strange feelings whenever he sees Firesong. Now, he's not in the normal,
"cor he's a bit of alright, I fancy some of that" situation, so  plain 
lust-at-first-sight is not so likely in these circumstances (is it???), so _I_ 
took this to mean that An'desha was lifebonding - a bit like Talia did the first 
time she saw Dirk. 

So I go along with the "nah, changed my mind" theory - certainly Firesong and
Silverfox are "in lust" at the end of WoFury - but there was no hint of anything
deeper given then (I thought lifebonds kicked in with early meetings/encounters?)

My two pennorth worth

Debbi

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*   The shortest unit of time in the multiverse is the New York Second,    *
*  defined as the period of time between the traffic lights turning green  *
*                    and the cab behind you honking.                       *
*                -- Terry Pratchett, Lords and Ladies --                   *
****************************************************************************

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Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 03:33:19 +1100 (EST)
From: Kim Hatton <klhatton-+AT+-ozemail.com.au>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: threadshifting to aussies ;)
Message-ID: <199601101633.DAA06053-+AT+-oznet02.ozemail.com.au>

>(Greatly snipped and generally re-arranged)
>
> Aaron James Legg wrote: <robinton-+AT+-yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au>
>> On Tue, 9 Jan 1996, Alex Neilson wrote: <al-+AT+-atcafe.com.au>
>> > > > Kim Hatton  <klhatton-+AT+-ozemail.com.au>
>> > > Kerry.. <mealink-+AT+-syd.au.swissbank.com>
>Wendy Hill <whill-+AT+-nla.gov.au>
Craig George <darkmage-+AT+-yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au>
>
>The above (sort of) list, plus myself, makes 6 ausies!

With all the Aussies come out of the woodwork, should I throw another few
shrimp on the barbie - that would no doubt appeal to Gryfalcon - do we have
any shrimps who volunteer?

Kim Hatton
klhatton-+AT+-ozemail.com.au


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Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 11:40:29 -0500
From: Tammy Harris <TAMARAH-+AT+-medicine.dmed.iupui.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Robert Jordan (off topic)
Message-ID: <31B74276EDF-+AT+-medicine.dmed.iupui.edu>

On Wed, Jan 10, Gyrfalcon wrote:

>> On Wed, 10 Jan 1996, Mat Timmerman wrote:

> > I think God invented snow just to annoy us  :)
> 
> Which god, and why?  
> 

As for why, well, they say (whomever "they" are) that revenge is best 
when served up cold.....

> We'ew nice people... (Shaddup Jaguar...)

Really?  You sure?
    <Flashback:
          THOK! <the sound of a ripe coconut hitting the back of Jaguar's
           head at high velocity>.

           <Innocently> Who me, no I didn't do it...

You have some 'splaining to do, my dear sir.  <Tammy readies 
snowball and prepares to defend herself>

Tammy



"It's time to ask yourself what you believe"

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Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 11:04:40 -0600 (CST)
From: Mary Temple <noxcat-+AT+-eden.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: YKYBRTMMLW:
Message-ID: <199601101704.LAA15332-+AT+-natashya.eden.com>

At 01:04 AM 01/10/96 GMT, you wrote:
(mostly snipped to prevent waste of bandwidth)

>*Shadow-Lover looks around and wonders how everyone knows him so well...  He
>begins to worry as he looks around his room seeing his shrine to Valdemar
>bedecked in it's blue and silver regalia, with the Valdemarian Crest hanging
>above and the stacks upon stacks of Misty books, tapes, and memorabilia...*
>"Umm..  I think I need to find a new author...  Any suggestions?" ;)

Try Anne McCaffrey (her early stuff). Or Parke Godwin (Firelord, Beloved
Exile or Sherwood). Or Morgan Llywellyn (Grania or Bard). Or there's always
Marion Zimmer Bradley's "Mists of Avalon" and "The Firebrand"...
>
>                                        - Shadow-Lover 
>
>*Shadow-Lover grounds and centers, preparing a levin bolt for the first
>person who responds "Piers Anthony"*
>
No. No Piers Anthony...I might have suggested him when I was still a child
and couldn't discern good from 'so-so'so...:)
/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\
Mary Temple                              I am the cat who walks by Himself,
NoxCat           <noxcat-+AT+-eden.com>         and all places are alike to me.
Catriona Rowley                                           - Rudyard Kipling


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Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 09:07:13 -0800 (PST)
From: "Patrick S. Waterlander" <patw-+AT+-clark.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: HTMNMLF... New Thread
Message-ID: <Pine.HPP.3.91.960110090539.28356A-100000-+AT+-clark.edu>

On Wed, 10 Jan 1996, Joshua Jones wrote:

> Heyla...  Since everyone seems to be enjoying YKYBRTMMLW: Here's a knew
> thread for you...
> 
> How To Meet New Mercedes Lackey Fans:
> 
>         - Walk into a room with the greeting: "Bright the day" and look past
> the dazed and confuzed looks to that one person who responded
> (automatically, seeing as how it's eventually inevitable for any ML fan)
> "And Wind to thy Wings"
> 
>         - Learn to speak fluently in Shin'a'in, and do so whenever
> possible...  Watch faces for recognition...
> 
>         - Comment often on how easy it would be if all doctors wore green,
> musicians red, etc.
> 
> Well, that's all for now...  BTW: this is the last installment of this
> signature, for Manheim's sake (seeing as how I've been admonished for the
> long sig...)  So those of you who like it, save it now...
> 
>                                 - Shadow-Lover
> 
Sorry if I came across as rude or angry.  I didn't mean to.  But I do get 
over 60 messages every night, which is about 180 on Monday mornings.  <G>  
So, thanx for making your E-Mail sig smaller.  I do appreciate it.
							-Mannaheim

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Date: Wed, 10 Jan 96 18:09:11 +0100
From: dbackhau-+AT+-isou10.estec.esa.nl
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: !!!!! (that's 5)
Message-ID: <9601101709.AA07573-+AT+-isou10.estec.esa.nl>

Lookee what I found in my Pratchett quotes file today while looking for a 
new tailer (opposite of header???):

   ***********************************************************
   * Five exclamation marks, the sure sign of an insane mind.* 
   *        -- (Terry Pratchett, Reaper Man)                 *
   ***********************************************************

I've totally lost track of who said what and where, (Colnel Mustard in 
the Library probably, with the knife  .... I digress) but I seem to 
remember a mini thread about !!!'s a few days back.

Debbi

****************************************************************************
*   The shortest unit of time in the multiverse is the New York Second,    *
*  defined as the period of time between the traffic lights turning green  *
*                    and the cab behind you honking.                       *
*                -- Terry Pratchett, Lords and Ladies --                   *
****************************************************************************

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Date:          Wed, 10 Jan 1996 11:24:20 CST
From: JR9332-+AT+-cub.uca.edu
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: YKYBRTMMLW:
Message-ID: <4B3525F7B6D-+AT+-cub.uca.edu>

> Date sent:      Wed, 10 Jan 1996 10:52:51 GMT
> Send reply to:  mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
> From:           Todd Kungas <tequine-+AT+-wtp.net>
> To:             jr9332-+AT+-cub.uca.edu
> Subject:        Re: YKYBRTMMLW:

> At 05:42 10/01/96 GMT, you wrote:
> >
> >
> >> *Shadow-Lover looks around and wonders how everyone knows him so well...  He
> >> begins to worry as he looks around his room seeing his shrine to Valdemar
> >> bedecked in it's blue and silver regalia, with the Valdemarian Crest hanging
> >> above and the stacks upon stacks of Misty books, tapes, and memorabilia...*
> >> "Umm..  I think I need to find a new author...  Any suggestions?" ;)
> >> 
> >>                                         - Shadow-Lover 
> >> 
> >> *Shadow-Lover grounds and centers, preparing a levin bolt for the first
> >> person who responds "Piers Anthony"*
> >> 
>  You might try Anne McCaffery, Books:[Pern series],[The Ship who Sang], or
> [The lady]
> Equine: an484352-+AT+-anon.penet.fi

  Be careful of Anne McCaffery's Pern books. After the first few 
books they all start looking and reading a lot alike. The first few 
Rowen books were pretty good. The Powers That Be series was odd but 
kinda neat.
          Yossarian

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Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 12:39:58 -0500 (EST)
From: Rosario Holsen-Baker <rholsen-+AT+-sidwell.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: YKYBRTMMLW:
Message-ID: <Pine.BSD/.3.91.960110123720.8658A-100000-+AT+-gateway.us.sidwell.edu>

 Gyrfalcon wrote:
> On Wed, 10 Jan 1996, Rosario Holsen-Baker wrote:
> 
> > Shadow-Lover wrote:
> > > 
> > > *Shadow-Lover grounds and centers, preparing a levin bolt for the first
> > > person who responds "Piers Anthony"*
> > > 
> > 	*Jaguar grounds and centers, and puts up her best "sticky-mirror" 
> > shields.* 
> > 
> > 	PIERS ANTHONY!!!!!
> > 	PIERS ANTHONY!!!!!
> > 	PIERS ANTHONY!!!!!
> 
> THOK! <the sound of a ripe coconut hitting the back of Jaguar's head at 
> high velocity>.
> 
> <Innocently> Who me, no I didn't do it...

	Hey, no fair! That was supposed to be a MAGICAL attack!
	And where are the sparrows?
> 
> > 	Tee hee. :)
> 
> My sentiments exactly,
> 
> --Gyfalcon

	WHUMP! <sound of very large black jaguar pouncing on Gyrfalcon>
	Thanks, Irena. :) My cats love me. <silly grin>

|--------------------------------<<JAGUAR>>------------------------------|
|     I would there were no age between sixteen and three-and-twenty     |
|     		   or that youth would sleep out the rest,               |
|     	           for there is nothing in the between but               |
| getting wenches with child, wronging the ancientry, stealing, fighting |
|------------------------------------------------------------------------|
			


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Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 11:40:46 -0600 (CST)
From: Mary Temple <noxcat-+AT+-eden.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: re- myriad subjects
Message-ID: <199601101740.LAA18115-+AT+-natashya.eden.com>

At 05:36 AM 01/10/96 GMT, you wrote:
(previouse massively quoted messages snipped to save bandwidth)

>I just saw something to this effect a day or so ago, but...these posts are 
>getting ridiculously long!  It seems like just a couple of people are the 
>main culprits, but it gets annoying fast.  
>
>If it's at all possible, please delete any non-pertinent information, and 
>try to avoid quoting long tracts of other comments, only to add a quick 
>one-liner at the end.  Please!  If your system won't let you, then all is 
>forgiven, but then you might want to consider just doing a quick recap at 
>the beginning instead of quoting yards and yards of comments that no longer 
>apply to *your* comments.  Thank you!
>
>Kaatje 
>
YAY!!!! FINALLY, someone has said what I've been thinking. Three screens of
previously quoted messages just to add a line or two is ridiculous! PLEASE
people, don't be afraid to use those scissors!! I don't mind the number of
posts, but I DO mind the number of those kinds of posts. EDIT! EDIT! EDIT!
(what my writing insturctors always told me, and what I've always wanted to
tell the New Yorker)
/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\
Mary Temple                              I am the cat who walks by Himself,
NoxCat           <noxcat-+AT+-eden.com>         and all places are alike to me.
Catriona Rowley                                           - Rudyard Kipling


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Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 12:42:33 -0500 (EST)
From: Rosario Holsen-Baker <rholsen-+AT+-sidwell.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Robert Jordan (off topic)
Message-ID: <Pine.BSD/.3.91.960110124017.8658B-100000-+AT+-gateway.us.sidwell.edu>

On Wed, 10 Jan 1996, Gyrfalcon wrote:

> On Wed, 10 Jan 1996, Mat Timmerman wrote:
> > I think God invented snow just to annoy us  :)
> 
> Which god, and why?  We'ew nice people... (Shaddup Jaguar...)
> 
	Grrrrrrrrr.... >:)
	
	Pick a god. Zandru (Marion Zimmer Bradley), Kal'enel (duh!), the 
Norse Ice-Giants, Tezcatlipoca...
 
|--------------------------------<<JAGUAR>>------------------------------|
|     I would there were no age between sixteen and three-and-twenty     |
|     		   or that youth would sleep out the rest,               |
|     	           for there is nothing in the between but               |
| getting wenches with child, wronging the ancientry, stealing, fighting |
|------------------------------------------------------------------------|
			


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Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 09:44:25 -0800 (PST)
From: "Patrick S. Waterlander" <patw-+AT+-clark.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: new Gryphon/ Storm rising
Message-ID: <Pine.HPP.3.91.960110094252.499A-100000-+AT+-clark.edu>

On Wed, 10 Jan 1996, Kerry Mealing wrote:

> 
> 
> 
> Meg asked:
> > does anyone know when the new Gryphon book and/or Storm Rising are coming 
> > out in paperback?
> 
> My copies of TWG and SR are both paperback (and if they're out in paperback
> here in Australia, they should have been out for 6mths everywhere else in
> the world). :)
> 
> Kerry.
> 
Just to add this, Storm Rising has been out in Vancouver, Washington (US) 
for about (lemme check book) I would sayyyy, 3 months now in hardback and 
about 1 month in paperback.
							-Mannaheim

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Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 09:29:51 -0800 (PST)
From: "Patrick S. Waterlander" <patw-+AT+-clark.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: New thread!: Characters
Message-ID: <Pine.HPP.3.91.960110092104.29521A-100000-+AT+-clark.edu>

I've been working on a list of characters.  The following is a list of 
characters that I have come up with from The Black Gryphon.  If I have 
forgotten anyone, or have forgotten one of the roles played by the 
characters that are listed, please tell me.
I can be reached at:
patw-+AT+-clark.edu
I will add to this list as I move on to The White Gryphon, and the rest 
of the books.  I'll post this list about once a month, usually near the 
end of the month.  I'll continue to post it as I make progress with it, 
until mid June, at which time my Internet service will be cut off since I 
don't go to college during the summer (tch tch tch, lazy me).  So, save 
it if you want.  I'm only doing this as sort of a project, and as a 
service to those of us on this mailing list who keep forgetting things!

						-Mannaheim
Characters:

Black Gryphon:
	Amberdrake (Chief Kestra'chern of Urthos forces)
	Skandranon (Black gryphon)
	Gesten (Hertasi servant of Amberdrake/Skandranon)
	Aubri (Broadwing gryphon)
	Snowstar (Chief Adept of Urthos mage forces)
	Cinnabar (Master healer/lifebonded of Tamsin)
	Tamsin (Master healer/lifebonded of Cinnabar)
	Winterhart (Trondi'irn for Sixth Wing East/lifebonded of Amberdrake)
	Urtho (Mage of Silence)
	Shaiknam (Commander of Sixth Wing East/working for Ma'ar)
	Garber (Shaiknams second in command/working for Ma'ar?)
	Zhaneel (Gryfalcon/mate of Skandranon)
	Ke'chara (Misborn/adoptive child of Skandranon/Zhaneel)
	Vikteren (Mage in Sixth Wing East/master level)
	Ma'ar (Leader of forces opposing Urtho)
	Conn Levas (Mage of Sixth Wing East/working for Ma'ar)
	Silver Veil (Kestra'chern/mentor of Amberdrake)


PS: I will get around to putting these in alphabetical order as soon as 
the list for this book is complete.  E-Mail any comment/suggestions. Thanx.

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Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 13:03:17 -0500 (EST)
From: Ashke <s003yms-+AT+-desire.wright.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: new Gryphon/ Storm rising
Message-ID: <Pine.PMDF.3.91.960110130224.553751554A-100000-+AT+-desire.wright.edu>

y

On Wed, 10 Jan 1996, James T. Yardley wrote:

> does anyone know when the new Gryphon book and/or Storm Rising are coming out in
> paperback?
> 
> - Meg
> 
> 
In which country??? Ive had both of them in hardback for some time so 
they should both be out soon

Ashke



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Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 13:18:14 -0500 (EST)
From: Ashke <s003yms-+AT+-desire.wright.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Firesong, Andesha, and Silverfox
Message-ID: <Pine.PMDF.3.91.960110131646.553751554C-100000-+AT+-desire.wright.edu>

> 
> Remember how strongly Firesong and An'desha reacted to each other in 
> WFury? It seemed like a lot more than just lust/infatuation. 
> Especially considering that last picture (in the hardcover), I was 
> quite sure they were a lifebond. I think that they were intended to 
> be, but Misty changed her mind in between WFury and SW.
> 
> 
>                                             -Seanna
Really? I found myself reading SW wondering what happened to Silver 
Fox....I thought he and Firesong were going to get together at the end of 
the winds books....color me confused.

Ashke

> > 

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Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 13:49:16 -0500 (EST)
From: Ashke <s003yms-+AT+-desire.wright.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Subscribing
Message-ID: <Pine.PMDF.3.91.960110134720.553753209A-100000-+AT+-desire.wright.edu>

Could anyone out there mail me the address for the listproc??? i have a 
few people who want to subscribe (yes the contagion is spreading!) and i 
cant remember where to have them send their mail to. Any help will be 
appreciated.


Thanks
Ashke



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Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 11:03:24 -0800 (PST)
From: "Patrick S. Waterlander" <patw-+AT+-clark.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: RE: Makaar
Message-ID: <Pine.HPP.3.91.960110110120.5599A-100000-+AT+-clark.edu>

On Wed, 10 Jan 1996, Kerry Mealing wrote:

> 
> [Sorry, I don't often reply to my own posts, but I'm having a dyslexic
>  (lysdexic?) day and can't string a sentence together to save my life, so
>  thought I'd better clarify some of them.]
> 
> Kerry wrote:
> > Kellie or Starwolf wrote: (I think it was Starwolf, but I couldn't figure out
> > the include bits).
> > <snip snip snip>
> > > > Ma'ar was evil from our viewpoint, i.o.w. we are set up on Urtho's side, to
> > > > consider Urtho the "good" guy.  However, throughout the time we spend 
> > > > learning
> > > > about Ma'ar, including later on through Falconsbane, there is the real
> > > > possibility that Ma'ar was just a guy protecting his turf.  
> > 
> > Okaaaaay. Let's consider: Ma'ar, an Adept mage with minor holdings organizes
> > and sabotages (sp?) events such that his Monarch's government is thrown down
> > and forced to flee. Ma'ar steps in to pick up the pieces. Then he forges an
> > army and calmly starts annexing bits and pieces of surrounding territory.
> > 
> > At this point he sits down and realizes he has turf and that he'd better
> > start protecting it from all those horrible people (Urtho included) who 
> > might try to expanding it further.. Hmm, how can he protect his turf?
>               ^^ stop him from 
> 
> > Simple answer - better take the turf away from all those who might try to
> > take Ma'ar's turf away from him.
> 
> Kerry.
> 
I'd also like to add that Ma'ar comitted a crime that could be 
essentially seen as Genocide.  He tried to exterminate those that he 
thought would oppose him, including Amberdrakes kind.  What was meant by 
his "kind" I do not know.  It probably referred to his Shin'a'in 
heritage.
					-Mannaheim

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Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 11:08:19 -0800 (PST)
From: "Patrick S. Waterlander" <patw-+AT+-clark.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: re: multiple personalities
Message-ID: <Pine.HPP.3.91.960110110406.5599B-100000-+AT+-clark.edu>

On Wed, 10 Jan 1996, Kerry Mealing wrote:

> 
> Ashke wrote:
> > On Wed, 10 Jan 1996 EGLESTON-+AT+-GROVER.BPL.ORG wrote:
> > > Ashke, on 8 Jan 96, asked "What if Van(yel) was originally Urtho?"
> > > 
> > > I like it.  It explains one thing which has bothered me for a while, 
> > > which is why he and Leareth seem to be tied on a sub-verbal communication
> > > level from so early in Vanyel's life.
> > > 
> > > Yoicks! and Away!
> > > 
> > > Cindy
> > > 
> > Well at least there is one person out there who doesnt think im crazy. I 
> > just kept wondering (since someone asked it in an earlier thread) where 
> > Urtho's spirit went....and since it seems Velgarth has reincarnation....
> > 
> > Besides, why should only the bad guys get to come back

Why should only the bad guys get to come back?  The only bad guy that 
keeps coming back is Ma'ar, and the only reason he keeps coming back is 
because he is/was a very intelligent mage and figured out how to stay 
"alive" after his body died.  I suspect that if Urtho had known how to do 
this and knew that Ma'ar would also had the knowledge, he would have hid 
in the void also, in order to come back later to finish off Ma'ar.  As it 
was, Urtho had no knowledge of this, or maybe he did and didn't mention 
it.  The only thing he says before he dies is that his people will be 
safe for the rest of their lives.  I suspect the reason he didn't say 
that everyone would be safe from then on is because he knew what Ma'ar 
would when Ma'ars body was killed.
						-Mannaheim

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Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 11:23:09 -0800 (PST)
From: "Patrick S. Waterlander" <patw-+AT+-clark.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: re: Eastern Empire
Message-ID: <Pine.HPP.3.91.960110111924.5599D-100000-+AT+-clark.edu>

On Wed, 10 Jan 1996, David J. De Riemacker wrote:

> Kerry,
> 	I always got the impression that the Eastern Empire was founded by
> Urtho's people.  They are the self-described masters of Gate technology,  and
> they also have permanent Gates(IIRC).  Along with that, wasn't there something
> in the Storms books about the founders of the EE coming out of a Gate in the
> wrong place.  This happened when they were fleeing a great catastrophe of some
> kind,  though it had been forgotten.  Since magic didn't work very well after
> the Cataclysm,  those people had to be fleeing before it happened.  Any
> counterpoints?
> 
<shred shred>
Counterpoint! (isnt that something in music?)
IIRC, most of the mages went with Clan k'Leshya and ended up in White 
Gryphon (the city), especially Urthos best mage, Snowstar.  Since they 
all went off to empire of the black kings and then came back again to 
take over the vale in WFate/WFury? it seems to me like it's just the 
Eastern Empire, founded by someone long ago, and prospering very nicely.  
What strikes me at first is the way that they treat they're people.  
Ruthlessly.  Charliss is quite evil, and will stop at nothing to get what 
he wants.  To me, this is not the way of the people that followed Urtho, 
although they might have changed over the centuries.  Still, I don't 
think it's Urthos people who founded the Eastern Empire.
							-Mannaheim

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Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 14:36:50 -0500 (EST)
From: Rosario Holsen-Baker <rholsen-+AT+-sidwell.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Bough Breaks
Message-ID: <Pine.BSD/.3.91.960110143410.12006A-100000-+AT+-gateway.us.sidwell.edu>


> >|--------------------------------<<JAGUAR>>------------------------------
> >|     I would there were no age between sixteen and three-and-twenty     |
> >|     		   or that youth would sleep out the rest,
> |
> >|     	           for there is nothing in the between but
> |
> >| getting wenches with child, wronging the ancientry, stealing, fighting |
> >|------------------------------------------------------------------------|
> 			
> I think I must have missed something,  Jaguar,  because I just hit twenty
> four,  and have never done any of those things.  That doesn't mean,  that's 
it's
> too late to try.
> 
	It's a quote from Pamela Dean's Tam Lin with a bit of a story 
behind it (which someone else can tell). I have no idea where it's 
originally from.  Anyone? Anyone? Bueller? Bueller? ;)

|--------------------------------<<JAGUAR>>------------------------------|
|     I would there were no age between sixteen and three-and-twenty     |
|     		   or that youth would sleep out the rest,               |
|     	           for there is nothing in the between but               |
| getting wenches with child, wronging the ancientry, stealing, fighting |
|------------------------------------------------------------------------|
			


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Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 11:44:26 -0800 (PST)
From: "Patrick S. Waterlander" <patw-+AT+-clark.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Firesong has fallen
Message-ID: <Pine.HPP.3.91.960110114022.10376B-100000-+AT+-clark.edu>

New topic!  If anyone is interested.
I will not say anything important in this posting, except to ask one 
thing.
Out of politeness, should I cut this new thread?  It deals with Firesongs 
actions and thoughts in SWarning, SRising, and SBreaking.  If anyone on 
this list does not want me to continue this thread because they havent 
read the books yet, then please tell me.  I know how frustrating it is 
when someone gives away key points of a book before you have read it.

Wind To Thy Wings
Mannaheim

PS: If anyone could think of any heraldic last names for me, please tell 
me...<G>  I wanted the first name of my persona to be Declan.  Thanx

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Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 11:49:03 -0800 (PST)
From: "Patrick S. Waterlander" <patw-+AT+-clark.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: threadshifting to aussies ;)
Message-ID: <Pine.HPP.3.91.960110114448.10376C-100000-+AT+-clark.edu>

On Wed, 10 Jan 1996, Kim Hatton wrote:

> >(Greatly snipped and generally re-arranged)
> >
> > Aaron James Legg wrote: <robinton-+AT+-yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au>
> >> On Tue, 9 Jan 1996, Alex Neilson wrote: <al-+AT+-atcafe.com.au>
> >> > > > Kim Hatton  <klhatton-+AT+-ozemail.com.au>
> >> > > Kerry.. <mealink-+AT+-syd.au.swissbank.com>
> >Wendy Hill <whill-+AT+-nla.gov.au>
> Craig George <darkmage-+AT+-yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au>
> >
> >The above (sort of) list, plus myself, makes 6 ausies!
> 
> With all the Aussies come out of the woodwork, should I throw another few
> shrimp on the barbie - that would no doubt appeal to Gryfalcon - do we have
> any shrimps who volunteer?
> 
> Kim Hatton
> klhatton-+AT+-ozemail.com.au
> 
> 
Well of course.  Let me just season myself here and I hop right up on 
that barbecue.  (not saying that I'm a shrimp of course, just going along 
with the thread)  Anyone else want to join me up here? Nice'n'warm!  <G>
							-Mannaheim


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Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 13:05:31 -0700
From: Todd Kungas <tequine-+AT+-wtp.net>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: YKYBRTMMLW:
Message-ID: <9601102005.AA21995-+AT+-wtpprod1.wtp.net>

At 15:44 10/01/96 GMT, you wrote:

>>
>> You might try Anne McCaffery, Books:[Pern series],[The Ship who Sang], or
>>[The lady]
>
>OK, OK, OK - I've been reading McCaffrey since the late 70's (I found
Dragonflight
>in my (very) small local library and have been hooked ever since - although I 
>think she's got a bit barrel scrapish lately) and thought I'd read the lot. So 
>what, please, pretty please, is [The lady]?
>
>I'll second the recommendation tho' - I suspect that a lot of ML readers have 
>their dedicated McCaffrey shelves as well - am I right or am I right??
>
>Debbi

The Lady is set in Ireland, on a  Horse breeding & training farm.
 It a nice story about a young girl who loves horses, and her family.
[Ballantine Books - New York] 
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Equine: an484352-+AT+-anon.penet.fi				Montana. USA
O thou, my milk-white pony, whose coat is as the moon-beams of this autumn
night, carry me like a bird through the air....
[by Murasaki Shikabu (974-1031)]
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Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 15:10:45 -0500 (EST)
From: Gyrfalcon <msowers-+AT+-menger.eecs.stevens-tech.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: threadshifting to aussies ;)
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.90.960110150349.21085A-+AT+-menger.eecs.stevens-tech.edu>

On Wed, 10 Jan 1996, Kim Hatton wrote [On aussies and barbeques, dead or 
otherwise :) ]:

> With all the Aussies come out of the woodwork, should I throw another few
> shrimp on the barbie - that would no doubt appeal to Gryfalcon - do we have
> any shrimps who volunteer?
> 

Huh??.... Oh...
Hmmmmm....  Wonder if certain people can drive a truck from Florida to 
Australia?

As for shrimps....  Was I just insulted?

BWTMIN!

--Gyrfalcon

=======================msowers-+AT+-menger.eecs.stevens-tech.edu===================

        Magic still exists.  We have only to reach out and touch it,       
                it is a part of the very fabric of the world.  When our    
                belief of magic completely dies this universe shall die.   
                Because that magic; Hope, Dreams, Love, Beauty, Wonder,    
		Belief, and Discovery are what make us a people. They are 
		all part of a great Art whose workings are still a mystery
		 but whose applications can be seen every day.	    
		If we ever lose the Art  mankind shall not last the day.
		Let the magic that is in us roam free in our work, play,   	
		in each other, and most of all in ourselves.		    
									   
			Let it roam free or it will die.		  

			 
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Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 12:32:59 -0800
From: Staci Schoenfeld <staci-+AT+-zoom.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Books by Misty NOT set in Velgarath (was YKYR...)
Message-ID: <199601102032.MAA13571-+AT+-stealth.romoidoy.com>

At 01:36 AM 1/10/96 GMT, Ashke wrote in reply to Mannaheim's query about the
existence of Elvensteeds:

<severe snippage>

>Misty has a whole other universe of books that are distributed by Baen. 
>they include: Knight of Ghosts and Shadows, Summoned to Tourney, and 
>Bedlam Boyz. .....also set in this same universe is the Serrated edge 
>series which includes:Born to Run , Wheels of Fire, When the bough 
>Breaks, and Chrome Circle.

<and even more snippage>

Is Bedlam Boyz out and available right now?

Wind to Thy Wings,
Staci


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Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 15:45:31 -0500 (EST)
From: Gyrfalcon <msowers-+AT+-menger.eecs.stevens-tech.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Banter banter Banter: (was Re: YKYBRTMMLW:)
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.90.960110153514.21085B-100000-+AT+-menger.eecs.stevens-tech.edu>

On Wed, 10 Jan 1996, Rosario Holsen-Baker wrote:

> > THOK! <the sound of a ripe coconut hitting the back of Jaguar's head at 
> > high velocity>.
> 
> 	Hey, no fair! That was supposed to be a MAGICAL attack!

Who said?  Remember the best way to defeat a mage is to be spontaneous.

> 	And where are the sparrows?

They went on the barbeque with the shrimp.  Mmmm Mmmm Good.

> 	WHUMP! <sound of very large black jaguar pouncing on Gyrfalcon>
> 	Thanks, Irena. :) My cats love me. <silly grin>

<Gryns as he watches the silly cat chase his illusion around the 
battlefield.  Changes his course so he can circle again...>

Coconuts away!!!!! <-- Look 5!

THOK!  THOK! THOK!  ...  THUMP!
Um sorry...  Oh nevermind, it hit one of the MIW.

Next time it's homing coconuts!

--Gyrfalcon

=======================msowers-+AT+-menger.eecs.stevens-tech.edu===================

        Magic still exists.  We have only to reach out and touch it,       
                it is a part of the very fabric of the world.  When our    
                belief of magic completely dies this universe shall die.   
                Because that magic; Hope, Dreams, Love, Beauty, Wonder,    
		Belief, and Discovery are what make us a people. They are 
		all part of a great Art whose workings are still a mystery
		 but whose applications can be seen every day.	    
		If we ever lose the Art  mankind shall not last the day.
		Let the magic that is in us roam free in our work, play,   	
		in each other, and most of all in ourselves.		    
									   
			Let it roam free or it will die.		  

			 
==============================================================================


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Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 15:49:47 -0500 (EST)
From: Mia Karen Sherman <seraph-+AT+-Glue.umd.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: YKYBRTMMLW:
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.960110154830.6858B-100000-+AT+-mocha.eng.umd.edu>

> > >YOU KNOW YOU'VE READ TOO MUCH MISTY WHEN...

{snipped}

> If anyone has the originsl posts from this thread could you send them to 
> me or tell ma how to get them??? I would like to forward them to my 
> friends who arent on the list...

Why not just go one step better, and get them on the list? :)

mia


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Date:          Wed, 10 Jan 1996 20:53:18 GMT0BST
From: MURANOG THE BIG CUDDLY TROLL <K939641-+AT+-crystal.kingston.ac.uk>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Subscribing
Message-ID: <3C7A907EB2-+AT+-crystal.kingston.ac.uk>

Try listproc-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk...

Muranog

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* and thou do not wish to listen,                             *
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Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 16:03:27 -0500 (EST)
From: Gyrfalcon <msowers-+AT+-menger.eecs.stevens-tech.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Way off topic! (was Re: Robert Jordan (off topic))
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.90.960110154853.21085C-100000-+AT+-menger.eecs.stevens-tech.edu>

On Wed, 10 Jan 1996, Tammy Harris wrote:

<Snick, snick, snick>

> > We're nice people... (Shaddup Jaguar...)
> 
> Really?  You sure?
>     <Flashback:
>           THOK! <the sound of a ripe coconut hitting the back of Jaguar's
>            head at high velocity>.
> 
>            <Innocently> Who me, no I didn't do it...
> 
> You have some 'splaining to do, my dear sir.  <Tammy readies 
> snowball and prepares to defend herself>

Well... Actually, no I don't.
See,  Here in my contract, paragraph 7 sub-paragraph 43 clause 2:
The member of this list, known here as Gyrfalcon, may, at any 
provocation, launch retaliation against the provoker.  Whether or not he 
is the provokee.  Explainations for these attacks are not required, are 
are discouraged.

and in paragraph 45 clause 6:
The member of this list, known here as Gyrfalcon, may, without any
provocation, launch an attack on another member of this list through
the fictional engine of The Men In White (TM).

And the last part of the contract:

If, at any time, the entity known as Gyrfalcon can be proven irrevocabbly 
sane this contract is declared null and void.

That's my sanity clause. <gryn>

BTMIW!

--Gyrfalcon

=======================msowers-+AT+-menger.eecs.stevens-tech.edu===================

        Magic still exists.  We have only to reach out and touch it,       
                it is a part of the very fabric of the world.  When our    
                belief of magic completely dies this universe shall die.   
                Because that magic; Hope, Dreams, Love, Beauty, Wonder,    
		Belief, and Discovery are what make us a people. They are 
		all part of a great Art whose workings are still a mystery
		 but whose applications can be seen every day.	    
		If we ever lose the Art  mankind shall not last the day.
		Let the magic that is in us roam free in our work, play,   	
		in each other, and most of all in ourselves.		    
									   
			Let it roam free or it will die.		  

			 
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