MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 317 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Deed of Paksenarrion (other book recommendations) by mrtmh-+AT+-primenet.com (puppies and dragons) 2) Re: illustrations by be248-+AT+-scn.org (SCN User) 3) Re: YKYBRTMMLW: by Rosario Holsen-Baker 4) Re: grrr recent WAY OFF topic postings!!! by Becky Anne Christensen 5) Re: NEW LIST [was] grrr recent WAY OFF topic postings!!! by Becky Anne Christensen 6) Jaguar Magewar: Was Re: YKYBRTMMLW: by Joshua Jones 7) Re: grrr recent WAY OFF topic postings!!! by Joshua Jones 8) Re: NEW LIST [was] grrr recent WAY OFF topic postings!!! by mrtmh-+AT+-primenet.com (puppies and dragons) 9) Re: Mating gryphons by "David J. De Riemacker" <103275.3267-+AT+-compuserve.com> 10) Re:(Fwd) Evil, ambition, sanity by "David J. De Riemacker" <103275.3267-+AT+-compuserve.com> 11) Re: Snow--last one I swear! by "Katherine M. Brielmaier" 12) Re: New Misty Stuff by Gyrfalcon 13) Re: (Fwd) Bardic Voices vs Valdemar by "Katherine M. Brielmaier" 14) Re: threadshifting to aussies ;) by Gyrfalcon 15) re: grrr recent WAY OFF topic postings by CDyeboston-+AT+-aol.com 16) Re: Tremane & Solaris by "Kellie" 17) Re: Tremane & Solaris by mrtmh-+AT+-primenet.com (puppies and dragons) 18) Re: New Misty Stuff by Mat Timmerman 19) Re: Jaguar Magewar: Was Re: YKYBRTMMLW: by David Ramsden 20) RE: Makaar by Ashke 21) Re: Snow--last one I swear! by Becky Anne Christensen 22) Reply to Shadow-Lover by Rosario Holsen-Baker ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 13 Jan 1996 13:49:37 -0700 (MST) From: mrtmh-+AT+-primenet.com (puppies and dragons) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Deed of Paksenarrion (other book recommendations) Message-ID: <199601132049.NAA28217-+AT+-usr5.primenet.com> At 08:37 PM 1/13/96 GMT, RUNDLE-+AT+-wilma.bcasd.az.honeywell.com wrote: >>On Tue, 9 Jan 1996, Sanna Koulu wrote: >>> In comparison to Deed of Paksenarrion, By the Sword is wimpy, >>> unrealistic and weak. The Paks trilogy is much closer to the LotR, as >>> it says on the blurb (surprisingly it isn't too much wrong!). I >>> heartily recommend it to everyone, it's so brilliant. Of the >>> prequels, Liar's Oath is lousy, but Surrender None is readable. >>> IMNSHO, of course. :) > >CHONNI replies: >>Sigh, I hate to disagree (tell that to my mother), but I found that the >>Paks trilogy was way too detailed; if I wanted to know that much about >>fighting, I'll take a history course... I loved _By The Sword_ far more >>cuz it cut out all of the, for me, boring campaign details and stuck with >>the plot. It rather fondly reminded me of _Oathbreakers_. OTOH, I do >>like Elizabeth Moon's writing, but I'll stick to _Hunting Party_ & co. > >I disagree very much. I loved _By the Sword_, it's either my favorite >or second favorite Misty book (it varies). But the Paks trilogy was >better. It's probably the best I've ever read in that type of book. I >guess I empathized tremendously with Paks, more so even than with Kero. >I didn't identify even slightly with Paks, though I did with Kero. Paks >is an absolute hero. Kero is more of an everyday person. I recommend >the Deed of Paksenarrion very very highly. > >StarWolf > > Paks always seemed very super-human to me. I loved the books, but I liked the supporting characters because they seemed more realistic. I think that Paks had to be the way she was, for the story to work out right, but I liked Kero a lot more. Mareesa ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Jan 1996 14:40:13 -0800 From: be248-+AT+-scn.org (SCN User) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: illustrations Message-ID: <199601132240.OAA07204-+AT+-scn.org> > I think that what the characters look like should be up to the >reader. Because books are percieved differently by everyone, and usually >differ each time you read them. Having one person be able to say THIS is >what the character looks like, and THIS is what all it's friends look >like seems controlling(?) Can't think of a better word...Anyways, I >suppose that if I drew what they looked like to me, they probably would >look horrid to the rest of you. > (:*BECKY*:) Personally, I regard both Larry's drawings and the covers on any book to be approximations of the characters or suggestions on what they look like, then I change them. Sometimes I change a feature or the placement of things or add things that the illustrator forgot, such as scars or whatnot. Also, the best illustrator never gets everything totally right, so I take their illustrations with a grain of salt and if I don't like it, I change it in my mind. I do like, however, that you get a picture to base your image on, because I find it hard to actually visualize someone unless I have something to start with. That's why I like Larry's drawings, plus I think they're the most accurate I've seen of the characters in the book, I know I don't particularly like some of Jody's drawing either (like the Winds of Fate cover especially), but she's generally very good on illustrations as well... Just my thoughts... Zhai'helleva, Herald Briana "Finder of Useless Trivia" -- Herald Briana Kestyl wc814-+AT+-freenet.victoria be248-+AT+-scn.org HeraldBria-+AT+-aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Jan 1996 18:28:56 -0500 (EST) From: Rosario Holsen-Baker To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: YKYBRTMMLW: Message-ID: > >Shadow-Lover wrote: > > *Jaguar looks around from hunting down Gyrfalcon with an annoyed > >glare, prepares an telepathic-disruptor blade, and slams it between > >Shadow-Lover's eyes, disrupting his mental circuits (even more ;)* > > > > Don't mess with a combat telepath. >:) > > > *Shadow-Lover senses the rising of magical energy coming from Jaguar > and fades from this plane of existance as the spell culminates... Back > in his own plane (seeing as how he is already dead) he sends a mental > equivalent of a glove-slap to Jaguar* :Ok telepath, if you're so good > can you handle battling a mortal on that plane, and the dead in the > astral? *wink*: *Shadow-Lover sends Jaguar a mental picture of the > Gryphon that got caught in the land between gates, then a matching one > of a severly mentally fried, snow-white jaguar.* Ignoring the fact that that was mind-magic, not an actual spell.. > > *Shadow-Lover then drops his physical formation, and begins to draw the > energy he will need for the battle at hand* :come and get me if you > can: > > - Shadow-Lover > > *ZTHOK ZTHOK ZTHOK ZTHOK* > (The sound of mental-coconuts bombarding Jaguar's mind as she staves > off the solid ones....) It is not death if you refuse it, it is if you accept it. *Drawing on her cross-universe psychic skills, Jaguar prepares herself for the coming battle, first putting up many layers of thin, skin-tight shields. Speeding up to her cave-fortress on the astral plane, she calls up her allies. :Just watch, and back me up if I need it.: Tapping into the nodes by her home, she launches a mage-message* :Come and get me, if you dare.: |--------------------------------<>------------------------------| | He screams and screams and pounds his head against the wall until | | wailing phantom firetrucks paces across his vision. | | PAIN. PAIN IS ALL HE WANTS: We shall never forget and never forgive. | | AND NEVER EVER FEAR | |FEAR IS FOR THE ENEMY FEAR AND BULLETS | |------------------------------------------------------------------------| ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Jan 1996 16:34:36 -0800 (PST) From: Becky Anne Christensen To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: grrr recent WAY OFF topic postings!!! Message-ID: On Sat, 13 Jan 1996, Julie Vaux wrote: > Grrr ... could certain people please remember the following : > > 1) This is a MERCEDES LACKEY listserv > (not xanth or piers anthony) > > 2) it is NOT a listserv on > > a) snowball fights > b)for flaunting your games/mush persona > c)other fluff > d) coconuts or other fruit > > 3) it is NOT an IRC or a CHAT room > > 4) many email programs have an option line that asks you to give > a yes/no reply regarding whether or not you want to copy > the letter you're replying to - the last few days people are > starting to be careless about using it again. > > 5) before anyone says I'm a newbie I didnt know etc etc etc > tell us what mail program you are using so we can help > BUT only if your student desk refuses to give you a manual > or the name of the mainframe file that has a list of email commands > > 6) sig files - please please please keep them SHORT > > > two or three lines NOT a LONG paragraph > > Finally please remember many of us have SMALL maiboxs. > > When one gets six digests in one day and discovers the content of > some of them is 50% fluff ... reading listserv digests comes a chore instead > of a pleasure ... and if you think this sounds grumpy ... over the next > two weeks I have to sell off 95% of my household items plus 75% of my > book collection and arrange to move house and cancel all my listservs > and contemplate being off line for the month or so its take me to arrange > an extra phone line and reset up my gear at home and run around sydney in > one of the hottest months of the year job-hunting ... please please please > scroll up and think carefully about what I wrote or next time I will ROAR > instead of SNARL ...whimper please ...we all love talking about ML and an > possible related thread is fine but really !!! > > J.Vaux - Majissa is searching for her scroll on fire spells ... > I'm sorry. I'll stop, I promise to behave, really, from now on, only Mercedes Lackey and related things. I really am sorry. (:*BECKY*:) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Jan 1996 16:55:45 -0800 (PST) From: Becky Anne Christensen To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: NEW LIST [was] grrr recent WAY OFF topic postings!!! Message-ID: On Sat, 13 Jan 1996, puppies and dragons wrote: > At 03:18 PM 1/13/96 GMT, David Ramsden wrote: > >We could always start a new list up on snowball fights :) > > > > > >David Ramsden - Avalon-+AT+-post.dungeon.com > >---------------------------------------- > > Aye, but what about the swallows? (Seriously though, to > whoever posted this in the first place, you're fighting a losing > battle. Just ignore us crazies, and live in a totally > snow/Python/Jordan free world. My how boring...) > > > Mareesa Raennsyr How about a flying projectile (snow, oranges, pinecones, etc.)/Python/Jordan list? Seriously though, does this mean that it is okay to continue the flying projectile battle? Being a newbie, I'm not sure, I don't want to mortally offend anyone, (especially the MIW)but it is rather fun. (:*BECKY*:) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Jan 1996 17:04:19 -0800 From: Joshua Jones To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Jaguar Magewar: Was Re: YKYBRTMMLW: Message-ID: <199601140104.RAA04041-+AT+-ix13.ix.netcom.com> At 11:38 PM 1/13/96 GMT, you wrote: >> >Shadow-Lover wrote: >> > *Jaguar looks around from hunting down Gyrfalcon with an annoyed >> >glare, prepares an telepathic-disruptor blade, and slams it between >> >Shadow-Lover's eyes, disrupting his mental circuits (even more ;)* >> > >> > Don't mess with a combat telepath. >:) >> > >> *Shadow-Lover senses the rising of magical energy coming from Jaguar >> and fades from this plane of existance as the spell culminates... Back >> in his own plane (seeing as how he is already dead) he sends a mental >> equivalent of a glove-slap to Jaguar* :Ok telepath, if you're so good >> can you handle battling a mortal on that plane, and the dead in the >> astral? *wink*: *Shadow-Lover sends Jaguar a mental picture of the >> Gryphon that got caught in the land between gates, then a matching one >> of a severly mentally fried, snow-white jaguar.* > > Ignoring the fact that that was mind-magic, not an actual spell.. The Shadow-Lover is multitalented... >> *Shadow-Lover then drops his physical formation, and begins to draw the >> energy he will need for the battle at hand* :come and get me if you >> can: >> >> - Shadow-Lover >> >> *ZTHOK ZTHOK ZTHOK ZTHOK* >> (The sound of mental-coconuts bombarding Jaguar's mind as she staves >> off the solid ones....) > > It is not death if you refuse it, it is if you accept it. > > *Drawing on her cross-universe psychic skills, Jaguar prepares >herself for the coming battle, first putting up many layers of thin, >skin-tight shields. Speeding up to her cave-fortress on the astral plane, >she calls up her allies. :Just watch, and back me up if I need it.: >Tapping into the nodes by her home, she launches a mage-message* > > :Come and get me, if you dare.: *Hearing the answer to his challenge, and already prepared, Shadow-Lover calls up his allies, friends, and minions...* "Being master of the dead does have some advantages" ;) *Shadow-Lover then proceeds to lead his army of shades to the cave fortress of the Jaguar... There he instructs his followers to stand behind and steps forward before the area guards... There he sends up his adept manefestation, a truly magnificent silver skull with fiery sapphire eyes, the very icon of death, and sets up his half of the mage shield...* :I challenge you, adept to adept, to a battle... Either except or lose your rank...: *Shadow-Lover then wraps himself in his black cloak and blends in with the Shadows of the forest, waiting an acceptance... He also runs over his recourses... His minions are tapping nodes and linking from the land of the dead, giving him unlimited energy... Shadow-Lover erects shields around himself and feeds them until they even repel the swirling mists surrounding him and his death-cloak stands a little away from his body... His sapphire eyes shine out of the darkness with mischevious mirth...* :I'd like to see her get through that!: - Shadow-Lover *************************-E-mail-WDJPEJ-+AT+-ix.netcom.com-************************ * - Life is like a game of bridge: If you can't get a good partner at least * * have a good hand... * * * * - Of all the brightly colored swirls of fantasy, reality is by far the * * darkest.. * * * ********************************-IRC: Hairenn-******************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Jan 1996 17:08:31 -0800 From: Joshua Jones To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: grrr recent WAY OFF topic postings!!! Message-ID: <199601140108.RAA04554-+AT+-ix13.ix.netcom.com> >> 2) it is NOT a listserv on >> >> a) snowball fights >> b)for flaunting your games/mush persona >> c)other fluff >> d) coconuts or other fruit >> *Shadow-Lover points to the pages in Oathbound where Kethry has a mage-duel with the blood-adept* :This is a place for games, if done Misty Style!: *Flexing his Empath-adept skills, Shadow Lover gives J. Vaux a sense of humor...* ;) - Shadow-Lover *************************-E-mail-WDJPEJ-+AT+-ix.netcom.com-************************ * - Life is like a game of bridge: If you can't get a good partner at least * * have a good hand... * * * * - Of all the brightly colored swirls of fantasy, reality is by far the * * darkest.. * * * ********************************-IRC: Hairenn-******************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Jan 1996 18:11:51 -0700 (MST) From: mrtmh-+AT+-primenet.com (puppies and dragons) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: NEW LIST [was] grrr recent WAY OFF topic postings!!! Message-ID: <199601140111.SAA21319-+AT+-usr4.primenet.com> At 01:03 AM 1/14/96 GMT, Becky Anne Christensen wrote: > > >On Sat, 13 Jan 1996, puppies and dragons wrote: > >> At 03:18 PM 1/13/96 GMT, David Ramsden wrote: >> >We could always start a new list up on snowball fights :) >> > >> > >> >David Ramsden - Avalon-+AT+-post.dungeon.com >> >---------------------------------------- >> >> Aye, but what about the swallows? (Seriously though, to >> whoever posted this in the first place, you're fighting a losing >> battle. Just ignore us crazies, and live in a totally >> snow/Python/Jordan free world. My how boring...) >> >> >> Mareesa Raennsyr > How about a flying projectile (snow, oranges, pinecones, >etc.)/Python/Jordan list? Seriously though, does this mean that it is >okay to continue the flying projectile battle? Being a newbie, I'm not >sure, I don't want to mortally offend anyone, (especially the MIW)but it is >rather fun. > > (:*BECKY*:) > > Well, I suppose that I should have kept my mouth shut, being new at this myself, but hey, this is supposed to be for fun, right? I wouldn't have had the courage to post if I hadn't seen the thing about the coconuts, and I've been enjoying the flying projectile battle. And if we were to open a... a list with all that other stuff on it, then who would populate the Valdemar list? 'Reesa Raennsyr mrtmh-+AT+-primenet.com P.S. Feel free to throw anything you want at me! Except sheep! ------------------------------ Date: 13 Jan 96 20:23:46 EST From: "David J. De Riemacker" <103275.3267-+AT+-compuserve.com> To: "listproc-+AT+-herald.co.uk" Subject: Re: Mating gryphons Message-ID: <960114012345_103275.3267_IHH63-2-+AT+-CompuServe.COM> > >Meg wrote: > > > >and i really enjoyed a few of his griffon pictures (especially the mating >> griffons) and the art in the elvenbane. but as for cover art...i don't >> think he's ready yet. his stuff looks horrid on covers.... > >> -colette >> gjuka-+AT+-cnw.com I think some of the griffon pictures are good too. He seems to be >good at those, but really awful at people. I presumed that the mating gryphons were Hydona and Treyvan, but could not find the aforementioned picture in any of the Winds books. So, where is it? The closest thing I could find was that first picture of the pair, where one is sitting astride the other(but, they're not mating). On the same subject, it seemed that, when Mornelithe F. attacked T and H during their mating flight, that the flight was already complete. They had already broken apart when he attacked. Afterward, it was never mentioned again. Was the flight in fact unsuccessful, or did MF do something to Hydona to make the mating fail? He did do something to her while she was knocked out, but were never told what that something was. On a slight tangent, my favorite Larry Dixon illustration was the one of Hydona with one of her gryphlets from Winds of Fury. The only thing I find wrong there, is the size of Hydona. She should, in my view, be smaller than that Companion. But, Larry made her, and he can make her as big as he likes. Anyone else have a favorite? And now for something completely the same.... In the Winds books, we learn that Treyvan (and Hydona?) are Master level. However, they use node magic, something otherwise reserved for Adepts. At the same time, they are not bleached by the magic, as the humans are. Even Firesong's firebird and dyheli are not immune to these effects. So, what's up? Gryphons are innately magical, but this, I think, is not sufficient to let them bend the rules so. And yes, I am a gryphon person, Trondi'irn Whiteraven "We no longer say "Ni". We are now the knights who say...."Ichty ichty p-femnowannmv(Or something like that. It's been two years since I last saw the movie). ------------------------------ Date: 13 Jan 96 20:23:22 EST From: "David J. De Riemacker" <103275.3267-+AT+-compuserve.com> To: "listproc-+AT+-herald.co.uk" Subject: Re:(Fwd) Evil, ambition, sanity Message-ID: <960114012321_103275.3267_IHH63-1-+AT+-CompuServe.COM> David R. wrote; >Is there anyone on here who belives, like me, that evil ambition and >insanity are related but totally different things? I do not. These are three totally different things. Evil is the concious choice to do that which is wrong. A is A, I'll call it B Insanity is the inability to distinguish good from evil . A is B. This is kind of a loose definition of insanity, but it serves for purposes of comparison here. Ambition is neither good nor evil, that determination depending upon the volition behind it. Ambition to make piles of money as a business owner is good. Ambition to make piles of money by engaging in extortion and murder for hire is evil. My two bits, Whiteraven ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Jan 96 22:44:03 CST From: "Katherine M. Brielmaier" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Snow--last one I swear! Message-ID: <91172.brie0030-+AT+-gold.tc.umn.edu> better late than never... On Fri, 12 Jan 1996 19:55:20 GMT, Becky Anne Christensen wrote: (after Kaatje started a snowball fight) >> > >> > Send some snow balls this way! I could use them! Snowballs don't >> >scare me! I love snow! >> > Kaatje says >> Oh yeah?! >> >> Well take this!! *devastating onslaught ensues* then Becky says > Whoopee! Snowball fight! starts cranking out snowballs> > *bam splat* > *Kablooee!* > "What th...?" "Truce!!" Kaatje, in Minneapolis (Minnesota) where temps today rose to 40 degrees, and snow is melting right and left. Whoopee!! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Jan 1996 22:48:54 -0500 (EST) From: Gyrfalcon To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: New Misty Stuff Message-ID: On Sat, 13 Jan 1996, David Ramsden wrote: > How about the establishment of the clan back n the planes. Or the > troubles they had with the noble that was after Kerowyn's mother for > her money? Speaking of the possibility of a new Tarma/Kethry/Warrl novel did anybody notice that we bump into Tarma again at the end of the first Winds book? I don't happen to have the book with me, a friend has borrowed it again. --Gyrfalcon =======================msowers-+AT+-menger.eecs.stevens-tech.edu=================== Magic still exists. We have only to reach out and touch it, it is a part of the very fabric of the world. When our belief of magic completely dies this universe shall die. Because that magic; Hope, Dreams, Love, Beauty, Wonder, Belief, and Discovery are what make us a people. They are all part of a great Art whose workings are still a mystery but whose applications can be seen every day. If we ever lose the Art mankind shall not last the day. Let the magic that is in us roam free in our work, play, in each other, and most of all in ourselves. Let it roam free or it will die. ============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Jan 96 22:58:52 CST From: "Katherine M. Brielmaier" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: (Fwd) Bardic Voices vs Valdemar Message-ID: <91981.brie0030-+AT+-gold.tc.umn.edu> >At 23:34 01/12/96 GMT, you wrote: >> >>Does anyone out there in Lackey land prefer the Bardic Voices books to >>the Velgrath ones? The Lark and the Wren was my introduction to Misty, and I must say it got me completely hooked. I thought the first book was quite good in terms of characterization and worldbuilding, but I thought the plot was a bit contrived--though certainly an interesting take on an old theme--and certain bits were tough to swallow. The travelling in particular---remember when Kero was being tempted by Need to go on the road and save women, and it kept showing her instances of cheery innkeepers and fair weather? That's what I mean--just a little unrealistic. But I did like several bits and pieces--morality plays, almost--about taxes, Amber's "house" and other slices of life. And the characters were extremely well-drawn. Like I said, it was good enough to get me hooked. I do feel that the rest in the Bardic series didn't meet that standard, which is probably why I like Velgarth more. I read By the Sword, then the Arrows series, then LHM, and they just got better and better. I think what appealed to me about Velgarth was that the ending wasn't always happy. Sometimes people you cared about died, and that was that. Somehow, I always like fantasy better when it has a little reality (how's *that* for a contradiction in terms), it seems to make it more believable. 's e do bheatha Kaatje ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Jan 1996 22:51:22 -0500 (EST) From: Gyrfalcon To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: threadshifting to aussies ;) Message-ID: On Sat, 13 Jan 1996, Kim Hatton wrote: > >As for shrimps.... Was I just insulted? > > Do you really think I'd be dumb enough to insult you, given your recent > treatment of Jaguar? Levin bolts hurt and we don't get coconuts here. How > could I possibly defend myself? Ummm... Cream Pies? --Gyrfalcon Stop the thread, I wanna get off! =======================msowers-+AT+-menger.eecs.stevens-tech.edu=================== Magic still exists. We have only to reach out and touch it, it is a part of the very fabric of the world. When our belief of magic completely dies this universe shall die. Because that magic; Hope, Dreams, Love, Beauty, Wonder, Belief, and Discovery are what make us a people. They are all part of a great Art whose workings are still a mystery but whose applications can be seen every day. If we ever lose the Art mankind shall not last the day. Let the magic that is in us roam free in our work, play, in each other, and most of all in ourselves. Let it roam free or it will die. ============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Jan 1996 23:41:36 -0500 From: CDyeboston-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: re: grrr recent WAY OFF topic postings Message-ID: <960113234136_41086976-+AT+-mail02.mail.aol.com> Sorry, Yossarian, but I have to weigh in with Jvaux and Mistfox on the main. While we can and must look at Mercedes Lackey's work within the context of the larger world, we also have to be considerate of our fellows. Digests from this listserv run around 40K, and lately there have been three or four of them a day. I would be delighted to report that, except for the fact that much of what is being sent is mere repetition. Some posts have had as many as forty lines of quotes for the sake of a one-line zinger at the bottom. And I'm sorry to say, anything which has been sent back and forth so often that it has five arrows indenting it has lost whatever charm it originally possessed. I download the digests, and having been sick lately, have spent some time battling boredom by cutting out the extraneous line spaces and material and I have cut some of the digests down from 34 pages to 9 or 10, largely by removing anything which has been repeated so often that I have memorized it. The fluff would be a lot more tolerable if it were not preceded by endlessly quoted previous fluff. Digests make it possible for persons with smaller mailboxes to absorb the amount of fun we can produce, but do make it impossible to simply ignore the messages we do not wish to read. This is not to say I hate fluff. I also read alt.books.m-lackey and that is a very fluffy place indeed. But I think we can better accomodate the fluff if we limit our tempatation to quote extensively, and really consider whether or not a one-liner is going to amuse or annoy before we send it. (It's not like you can't squeeze a one-liner in at the end of an on-topic post just as easily, you know.) (climbing down from her soapbox to get the splinters out of her toes.) Yoicks! and Away! Cindy ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Jan 1996 22:49:34 CST From: "Kellie" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Tremane & Solaris Message-ID: <2BE6C3F0A49-+AT+-athena.valpo.edu> > David Ramsden: > >Do you think Misty has been reading Jordan and wanted a Aes Sedai > >type who can't lie? > > But there's still possibilities for Tremere. Remember "An Aes > Sedai never lies, but the truth an Aes Sedai tells you isn't always the > truth you think it is." > DO YOU MEAN TREMANE OR TREMERE???? kellie Kellie Myers ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Jan 1996 22:38:03 -0700 (MST) From: mrtmh-+AT+-primenet.com (puppies and dragons) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Tremane & Solaris Message-ID: <199601140538.WAA09972-+AT+-usr1.primenet.com> At 05:07 AM 1/14/96 GMT, Kellie wrote: >> David Ramsden: >> >Do you think Misty has been reading Jordan and wanted a Aes Sedai >> >type who can't lie? >> >> But there's still possibilities for Tremere. Remember "An Aes >> Sedai never lies, but the truth an Aes Sedai tells you isn't always the >> truth you think it is." >> > DO YOU MEAN TREMANE OR TREMERE???? > kellie > Kellie Myers > > > > > Uh... Who's Tremere? Did I miss something? Mareesa Raennsyr mrtmh-+AT+-primenet.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Jan 1996 00:39:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Mat Timmerman To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: New Misty Stuff Message-ID: <01HZZBRO0CIW91WNQD-+AT+-vaxc.hofstra.edu> From: Gyrfalcon > >On Sat, 13 Jan 1996, David Ramsden wrote: > >> How about the establishment of the clan back n the planes. Or the >> troubles they had with the noble that was after Kerowyn's mother for >> her money? > >Speaking of the possibility of a new Tarma/Kethry/Warrl novel did anybody >notice that we bump into Tarma again at the end of the first Winds book? >I don't happen to have the book with me, a friend has borrowed it again. It's in Winds of Change, hardcover p. 240. "They crowded in behind Kra'heera, black clad, some veiled, some not, leading night-black horses. And the veiled ones seemed to shimmer with power, as if they were not quite of this world. :So we are not," said a voice in her head, and she stifled another start, One set of ice-blu eyes over a black veil caught her attention; one of those eyes winked, slowly and deliberately. :Be at peace, little sister-in-power, student of my student.:" It took me awhile to find that too! All we know from this is that Tarma is dead by the time of WoChange. This makes sense, considering how old she was in the beginning of BTS. She was probably dead by the end of BTS, if not in the seven years or so until Winds. Mat -- Mat Timmerman "They want to stop the ones who want accmjt-+AT+-hofstra.edu prosthetic foreheads on their heads. But mtimmerman1-+AT+-hofstra.edu everybody wants prosthetic foreheads on mtimme47-+AT+-magic.hofstra.edu their real heads." -- They Might Be Giants http://ada.hofstra.edu/~mtimme47/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Jan 1996 12:11:42 +0000 From: David Ramsden To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Jaguar Magewar: Was Re: YKYBRTMMLW: Message-ID: <199601141213.MAA24536-+AT+-gate.dungeon.com> > :I challenge you, adept to adept, to a battle... Either except or > lose your rank...: > > > - Shadow-Lover I never understood why an adept would lose skillss built up over a lifetime on the outcome of a battle. I mean If you win or lose surley you would still posses what you have learned. David Ramsden - Avalon-+AT+-post.dungeon.com ---------------------------------------- Bishop: I can promise that in this other world, there is hope. Hope that by working hard enough and reaching far enough others like us can someday rid the world of the fear and predjudice and hatred that claimed this one. Illyana: Then I'd rather have - hope than nothing at all. - from X-men Omega ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Jan 1996 10:45:57 -0500 (EST) From: Ashke To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: RE: Makaar Message-ID: On Fri, 12 Jan 1996, Sanna Koulu wrote: > Kerry wrote: > [in response to StarWolf's (?) thought experiment with Ma'ar being a > "good guy"] > > > And as I said elsewhere, Ma'ar only cared about people as possessions.. > > Look at the way Firesong starts reacting in SR and you'll get a glimpse > > of the way Ma'ar must have thought. > > Hmm? Did you mean that Firesong reacts the same way Ma'ar did, and > possibly for the same reasons? An interesting thought. I thought > Firesong's insanity (warpedness) just randomly happened to be alike > Ma'ar's. I'd say the reasons are totally different... Opinions? > > > -Seanna > While reading this book i kept wondering of he was being taken over...You know as in Falsonsbane wasnt as dead as he thought. It wouldnt have been hard for him to have been one of Maar's progeny especially if that blood went as far back as being before Van (another thing i wondered) That would explain a few things> Somehow i just cant believe that after all that Maar has done to saty alive that he was defeated that easily Ashke > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Jan 1996 08:00:53 -0800 (PST) From: Becky Anne Christensen To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Snow--last one I swear! Message-ID: On Sun, 14 Jan 1996, Katherine M. Brielmaier wrote: > better late than never... > > On Fri, 12 Jan 1996 19:55:20 GMT, > Becky Anne Christensen wrote: > > (after Kaatje started a snowball fight) > >> > > >> > Send some snow balls this way! I could use them! Snowballs don't > >> >scare me! I love snow! > >> > > > Kaatje says > >> Oh yeah?! > >> > >> Well take this!! > > *devastating onslaught ensues* > > then Becky says > > Whoopee! Snowball fight! >starts cranking out snowballs> > > *bam splat* > > *Kablooee!* > > > > her hands scrape pavement.> > > "What th...?" > > ammunition> > > "Truce!!" > > Kaatje, > in Minneapolis (Minnesota) where temps today rose to 40 degrees, > and snow is melting right and left. Whoopee!! Okay, I agree, truce. My arm is about to fall of anyways from turning the Snoopy Snow Cone Maker. But watch out for next time, or I'll dig up my old Barbie Ice Cream Maker too! (:*BECKY*:) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Jan 1996 12:03:45 -0500 (EST) From: Rosario Holsen-Baker To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Reply to Shadow-Lover Message-ID: *Jaguar stared out the mouth of the cave, blending into the darkness, only her green eyes glowing. :He can't do that! Can he?: She shook her head, :Doesn't matter.: She shifts into her half-cat form, giving her the advantage of heightened senses and sharp talons. Layering her personal shields carefully and tapping into the earth-node below her cave, she calls on her astral friends. :Being one of the Cat People has its advantages, too.: :Armand, how strong a necromancer are you?: :Strong enough to call unwilling spirits: her friend boasts. :Good. Shadow-Lover's trying to cheat by calling on the power of his dead spirits. As soon as it looks like he's involved in the battle, start draining his power. Get your apprentices and the rest of the circle to back you.: *Armand grins. She goes to her other allies, friends of hers among the Cat People, her vampire allies, and a multitude of other spirits. Then Jaguar goes to the Great Heartstone her patron deity granted her people and opened a full channel between them. :Yesss...:* *She strode out of the cave to meet the melodramatic apparition in front of her, garbed only in her black unitard and ward-pendant.* :Let's play.: |--------------------------------<>------------------------------| | He screams and screams and pounds his head against the wall until | | wailing phantom firetrucks paces across his vision. | | PAIN. PAIN IS ALL HE WANTS: We shall never forget and never forgive. | | AND NEVER EVER FEAR | |FEAR IS FOR THE ENEMY FEAR AND BULLETS | |------------------------------------------------------------------------| ------------------------------ End of MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 317 *********************************