MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 324 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: New Misty Stuff by "Patrick S. Waterlander" 2) Firebird by Todd Kungas 3) Re: Reply to Shadow-Lover by "Patrick S. Waterlander" 4) Re: grrr recent WAY OFF topic postings!!! by "Patrick S. Waterlander" 5) Re: Copy of: Re: coconuts, Larry, killer rabbits by "Patrick S. Waterlander" 6) hullo :) by Yfandes The Psychowench 7) Re: MERCEDES-LACKEY digest 319 by Korendil 8) RE: Makaar (& also Gates) by mealink-+AT+-syd.au.swissbank.com (Kerry Mealing) 9) Re: Too Much Misty & Queens Own (long) by mealink-+AT+-syd.au.swissbank.com (Kerry Mealing) 10) Re: Adepts & nodes (was re: mating gryphons) by mealink-+AT+-syd.au.swissbank.com (Kerry Mealing) 11) Re: heralds and justice by Todd Kungas 12) Re: heralds and justice by mrtmh-+AT+-primenet.com (puppies and dragons) 13) re: changing civilizations & Urtho reborn by puppies and dragons 14) Re: Coconuts? by mrtmh-+AT+-primenet.com (puppies and dragons) 15) Re: New Misty Stuff by Ashke 16) Re: Adepts & nodes (was re: mating gryphons) by Becky Anne Christensen 17) Re: men/masculinity by Becky Anne Christensen 18) Re: re: Eastern Empire (+changing philosophies) by Becky Anne Christensen 19) Re: re- myriad subjects by Becky Anne Christensen 20) Re: Reincarnation by Becky Anne Christensen 21) Re: (Fwd) Bardic Voices vs Valdemar by "David Ramsden" 22) Re: Sci-Fi vs fantasy by "David Ramsden" 23) Re: meddling gods +size valdemar by Julie Vaux ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 13:46:34 -0800 (PST) From: "Patrick S. Waterlander" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: New Misty Stuff Message-ID: On Sun, 14 Jan 1996, Gyrfalcon wrote: > Speaking of the possibility of a new Tarma/Kethry/Warrl novel did anybody > notice that we bump into Tarma again at the end of the first Winds book? > I don't happen to have the book with me, a friend has borrowed it again. > > --Gyrfalcon > > =======================msowers-+AT+-menger.eecs.stevens-tech.edu=================== > > I don't remember where that happened. Was it Skif and Elspeth that met her? In By The Sword, Tarma and Kethry had both passed away by the time that Kero became captain of the Skybolts, at least, that's what I remember. But I may be wrong. Declan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 14:33:52 -0700 From: Todd Kungas To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Firebird Message-ID: <9601162133.AA07561-+AT+-wtpprod1.wtp.net> >Where can I send to for a Firebird catalog? And how much are they? I'd >really like to know. > -Declan > -aka Mannaheim > The firebird online catalog is at http://www.usa.net/firebird I think I got the address right. Sorry if I didn't ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Equine: an484352-+AT+-anon.penet.fi USA O thou, my milk-white pony, whose coat is as the moon-beams of this autumn night, carry me like a bird through the air.... [by Murasaki Shikabu (974-1031)] ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 14:02:21 -0800 (PST) From: "Patrick S. Waterlander" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Reply to Shadow-Lover Message-ID: On Sun, 14 Jan 1996, Rosario Holsen-Baker wrote: > :Let's play.: > > |--------------------------------<>------------------------------| > | He screams and screams and pounds his head against the wall until | > | wailing phantom firetrucks paces across his vision. | > | PAIN. PAIN IS ALL HE WANTS: We shall never forget and never forgive. | > | AND NEVER EVER FEAR | > |FEAR IS FOR THE ENEMY FEAR AND BULLETS | > |------------------------------------------------------------------------| > > > > I'm sorry to say this, but shouldnt this have gone STRAIGHT to Shadow Lover and NOT to the list itself? Declan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 14:07:48 -0800 (PST) From: "Patrick S. Waterlander" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: grrr recent WAY OFF topic postings!!! Message-ID: On Sun, 14 Jan 1996, Chris Tattersall wrote: > I can't remember the exact systax but I think it was > > unsubscribe MercedesLackey > Is Seeing Believing, or are you deceived? > > it's unsubscribe mercedes-lackey Declan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 14:09:12 -0800 (PST) From: "Patrick S. Waterlander" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Copy of: Re: coconuts, Larry, killer rabbits Message-ID: On Sun, 14 Jan 1996, David J. De Riemacker wrote: > PPPS This is now the third attempt at mailing. If this has been coming > up on the board, please mail back and tell me. I don't get anything that > comes up after the hundredth message each day. > > Yep, this is coming through JUST fine... Hopefully this won't be after the 100th message. Declan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 17:12:20 -0500 (EST) From: Yfandes The Psychowench To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: hullo :) Message-ID: <960116171220.20208ab2-+AT+-VAX.ETOWN.EDU> Hullo Hullo Hullo to everyone! Just thought I'd poke my head up and wavie to everyone as i am a newbie *gasp*. :) I'll prolly stay pretty quiet til I pick up the threads, but you'll prolly hear from me soon enuff. Just out of curiosity, any Queen's Own members out there? *peers atta her terminal* And a big huge huggly hello to my very favorite Martian Vanyel (saw yer addy hunney! HIIIIII!) OKee, enuff babble for now....bya! lurve, Meri *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* | Meredith Baldino *Known as Yfandes at:* | * _ __,;;;, 51 Elizabethtown College *jumper.mcc.ac.uk 3214* * | ,;( )_, )~\|~~~ Elizabethtown PA 17022 | * ;; // `--; USA * | ' ;\ | * http://www.etown.edu/home/baldinom/homepage.html* | * * | 'Meddle not in the affairs of Dragons, for you are | * Small and Crunchy, and taste good with Ketchup...' * | | *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 16:20:12 -0600 From: Korendil To: Subject: Re: MERCEDES-LACKEY digest 319 Message-ID: <199601162220.QAA15721-+AT+-ns.cent.com> >> I think I'm going to shut up now...great idea, IMHO...humble? Since WHEN >> have you been humble?!...fine...IMO...thats better >> > Are you schizophrenic, or are you just talking to your Companion? >Which, according to some of my ignorent friends, is the same thing...but >what in the nine hells do they know?!?!?!!! <---5 !!!!! Oh...I'm just schizophrenic...no you're not. I'm your companion...yeah right...I AM...uh huh. and next you're gonna say I'm in Valdemar...you are...am not...you're acting childish...who are YOU to say that...your companion...would you just STOP with the companion thing for once?!...no...argh.. ************ AWESOME ASCII-Art .sig *in the making* Till then: Korendil -+AT+- undermac ; rubin-+AT+-cent.com ***************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Jan 96 09:28:10 EST From: mealink-+AT+-syd.au.swissbank.com (Kerry Mealing) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: RE: Makaar (& also Gates) Message-ID: <9601162228.AA28879-+AT+-syd.au.swissbank.com> Seanna wrote: > Kerry wrote: > > I agree that the original causes were different, in that there were no > > mage-storms racking the land when Ma'ar was around, but I suspect that > > endrocline (sp?) - gland - imbalances that Firesong experienced may have > > been what Ma'ar suffered from. > > Huh? That's the second (the third?) time today I feel like a stunned > ox... Firesong had hormone imbalances??? I thought it was just mental > - you know, the warpedness of the land resonating in his Gift > channels. That's why I wondered whether Ma'ar possibly had earth > sense too - after all, you don't have to be Healing Adept to. It's not stated outright but (paraphrased) whoever identifies Firesong's problem (Silverfox?) says "The mage-storms have caused physical changes in your brain, such that you are quick to anger and emotions and slow to reason." To me, that doesn't spell brain damage or similar, but hormone or glandular imbalances - they're the classic symptoms. Women going through menopause or after hysterectomies, or males during puberty, sometimes display this type of symptom due to hormone imbalance. (And I'm not trying to be politically incorrect, or offend anyone, it's medical fact.) > > Thinking back, I retract the comment I made about Urtho being a twit for > > thinking that if he could sit down with Ma'ar and talk rationally with him, > > Ma'ar could be helped back to sanity.. > > Urtho was a Sorceror-Adept (and I think, with the emphasis on sorceror) - > > if there was anyone who would have been familiar with endrocline / hormone > > imbalances and related behaviour, it would have been he. Perhaps there was > > a concrete reason for his statement. > > Does anyone know what Misty means by "sorceror" in Velgarth? After > all, in Tregarde books "sorceror" means someone who can't sense the > energy flows but has the knowledge and the will to manipulate them > (as opposed to a witch, who can see the currents, and who, like, goes > with the flow :). Based on this definition it seems unlikely that a > sorceror would understand the balances (of body, mind, the land, > whatever). Black Gryphon - sorceror adept - one who creates and modifies living creatures.. (with also an ability to create artifacts..). Can't remember where it's defined, but that's the definite impression I got. As such, a sorceror would understand the balances of body and mind etc.. (though not necessarily land). > > -Seanna > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Jan 96 09:46:04 EST From: mealink-+AT+-syd.au.swissbank.com (Kerry Mealing) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Too Much Misty & Queens Own (long) Message-ID: <9601162246.AA29036-+AT+-syd.au.swissbank.com> Seanna wrote: (Don't tell anyone, but I picked up a law degree on the side here in Australia, which basically means I'm kinda semi familiar with commonwealth law). It occurred to me as I was reading your comment how Heralds couldn't possibly know all the laws, that they don't need to. If you flick back to Talia riding circuit, she wasn't handling things that our normal Courts of Law handle - she was handling things that are handled in Equity. For the non law-students out there, the theory is the Courts of Law apply the normal law (as issued by the parliment) and precedant. The Courts of Equity were applied to cover cass where the normal law didn't apply, or didn't cover the situation, or where there was no remedy under normal law or where the application of normal law would result in unfairness. In time they came to be merged into one Court where either/both could be applied. But back to the point I have *no* trouble with allowing Heralds to act as the Courts of Equity do in the commonwealth (and US?) systems of law.. In our courts, at least for civil matters, Equity is *always* the final resort at least for civil matters (ie non-criminal).. Whether or not the Heralds should extend this to criminal matters is another question. Seanna may say no, I think it wouldn't hurt and isn't that likely to cause abuse - it didn't in our systems.. (The Courts of Equity were IMO one of the more humane additions to our court system.. Of course they've currently grown so stultified and follow precedant in some areas so much that they've lost their effectiveness, but there's an increasing trend back to the freedom of the earlier Equity courts). Whew.. lecture/rambling over. Cheers, Kerry. (Yeah, I'm a programmer.. who just may end up at the bar someday.) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Jan 96 10:06:57 EST From: mealink-+AT+-syd.au.swissbank.com (Kerry Mealing) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Adepts & nodes (was re: mating gryphons) Message-ID: <9601162306.AA29240-+AT+-syd.au.swissbank.com> Seanna wrote: > I don't think the gryphons are innately magical, anymore that the > Tayledras are (but of course, the Goddess gave the latter an inborn > trace of mage-gift). I still think they should bleach - and there is > proof of bleached gryphons :). I agree they should bleach, but just in point of accuracy, there is on proof of gryphons ever bleaching _from use of node power_. Skandranon bleaches because he's trapped in the Void between Gates, which is an entirely different source. > I think Misty has been somewhat inconsistent about the way the magic > works. I've been checking into what exactly is the difference between > Masters and Adepts and come up with the following: Yes and no.. My favourite theory is that little snippet mentioned in WG where the mage-storms make it difficult to work magic at various periods. I *still* think that magic worked differently during Vanyel's time because of this effect. Magic in Van's time was more hazardous for one - witness Van getting repeatedly burnt by his use of node-power - he had to make it his own, channel it through something (either his power &/or a focus-stone) - later mages didn't have to do this.. I also think that this effect made natural power flows harder to sense (ley-lines, nodes etc) and also more wild (harder to control).. Training helps in this.. > Actually, the exact quote is closer to "I suspect that of your mages > only those you call Adept-class can do it well" - implying that lower- > level mages CAN use nodes, only not very well. I think it was also > implied (or said straight out) that outsiders couldn't even _see_ > nodes, nor could they use ley-lines. I'm not totally sure, though. > Someone might check it out... It was rare in Van's time, probably requiring either a certain level of sensitivity (which was usually only possessed by Adepts) or training in what to look for (only taught by Tayledras). > Later Misty has laid down the rules so that only Adepts (any Adepts) > can use the nodes; anyone of lesser rank gets badly burned. Also, > anyone can see the ley-lines and the nodes, even if they can't use > them. Like I said.. 1000 or so years difference, the effects of the mage-storms may well have changed.. > -There are a number of spells that only Adepts can use. (For that > matter, only high-powered mages are good at using spells at all, as > Lendel says). I think the Herald-Mages in general were just not that into spells, rather more into combat magics (which seem to be primarily throwing energy around). > These Adept-only spells include Gates. That's right, it's from > somewhere in LHM (MPromise perhaps?). And how that fits in with the > fact that Ancar (who didn't even have Adept potential, let alone the > rank) made a perfectly successful Gate, I have no idea. Ancar didn't, he was very very lucky. Instead of his Gate reaching into the Void and out again to somewhere else (presumably requiring more power) he just had to reach into the Void. Also his Gate never had to be stable (as in, the strands reaching out and touching each other making a complete portal) - it's act of finding it's target (Falconsbane) which would normally have made it stable (and incidentally drained a heck of a lot more energy) also meant it had finished it's task and could collapse. > I have this feeling there were more Adept-only spells but I can't > remember...I guess that's long enough for a rant anyway...:) Kethry's seeing-in-the-water spell in BTS.. though I can't remember if it's Adept only - certainly it's expensive enough in energy to be.. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 16:13:08 -0700 From: Todd Kungas To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: heralds and justice Message-ID: <9601162313.AA09729-+AT+-wtpprod1.wtp.net> At 21:09 01/16/96 GMT, you wrote: >On Fri, 12 Jan 1996 EGLESTON-+AT+-GROVER.BPL.ORG wrote: > >> Valdemar is *big*. If Pony Express Riders could cover 70 miles a >> day with fresh ponies every so often, Companions can probably do the >> same at the run, and yet in the stories again and again it takes a >> Herald a lot of time to get from place A to place B, even when they >> are in a hurry. And there aren't that many Heralds. >> Cindy >> >IIRC, when Kris and Talia encountered the town that was struck by Snow >Fever, Talia had to ride for a day and a night on a COMPANION to reach the >nearest healers temple. Since companions have considerably more >endurance and speed than normal horses do, I would guess that she covered >about a hundred miles, maybe more. This would indicate that Valdemar is >VERY big, maybe even comparative to the US. > -Declan > Can you imagine trying to keep law & order in a area the size of the US with only around 100 Hearlds? [There was a rough number of Hearlds in one of the books but I don't remember which] Talk about always up and running. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- USA A Horse is the greatest vehicle foraction there is [by John Wayne (1907-1979)] ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 16:18:29 -0700 (MST) From: mrtmh-+AT+-primenet.com (puppies and dragons) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: heralds and justice Message-ID: <199601162318.QAA08192-+AT+-usr6.primenet.com> At 09:09 PM 1/16/96 GMT, Patrick S. Waterlander wrote: >On Fri, 12 Jan 1996 EGLESTON-+AT+-GROVER.BPL.ORG wrote: > >> Valdemar is *big*. If Pony Express Riders could cover 70 miles a >> day with fresh ponies every so often, Companions can probably do the >> same at the run, and yet in the stories again and again it takes a >> Herald a lot of time to get from place A to place B, even when they >> are in a hurry. And there aren't that many Heralds. >> >> Yoicks! and Away! >> >> Cindy >> >IIRC, when Kris and Talia encountered the town that was struck by Snow >Fever, Talia had to ride for a day and a night on a COMPANION to reach the >nearest healers temple. Since companions have considerably more >endurance and speed than normal horses do, I would guess that she covered >about a hundred miles, maybe more. This would indicate that Valdemar is >VERY big, maybe even comparative to the US. > -Declan > > I saw an interview with Misty (In QO I beleive) where she said that Valdemar was about the same size as Indiana And about the same position on the continental mass. And what about Stefan in MPrice? He made it back to the guard post in what I assumed was several hours. Oh, but Yfandes was doing Fetching with them so I guess theres my answer. Mareesa Raennsyr ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 16:24:18 -0700 (MST) From: puppies and dragons To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: re: changing civilizations & Urtho reborn Message-ID: <199601162324.QAA13629-+AT+-usr4.primenet.com> At 10:58 PM 1/16/96 GMT, CHONNI wrote: > >On Tue, 16 Jan 1996 CDyeboston-+AT+-aol.com wrote: > >> > > >And re: who would Urtho come back as... > >I'm afraid I don't think he is either Vanyel OR Firesong. Quite frankly, >as much as adore them both (oh to be a man and gay!), they just aren't >smart enough. No, I'm not saying they're stupid, but Urtho was simply a >genius. He was also extremely spiritual. Van started off sullen, and >developed into a caring adult who had a deep commitment to duty and his >friends. He would have blasted Ma'ar. Firesong dislikes mystics, and >prefers intuitive creation to logic. He sees no beauty to mathematics, >and I have a feeling Urtho did. > I think some of us were moving in the right direction by >wondering if Karal could be Urtho, but I think that Urtho would have >chosen one of his people, now divided into the K'Leysha, the Tayledras >and the shin'a'in. So, my personal choice? Some one who would have >Sorceror-Adept level magic, a yen for mysticism and a very generous >nature. Sound like anyone we know? Hmmm? Yup, I think that if Urtho >were reincarnated, it would be as An'desha. Think of it as a great twist >in the plot; the one person Ma'ar chooses to possess is actually Urtho >reborn; it makes the fact that An'desha conquers the insane memories all >the more precious. > >OTOH, I also think Urtho went on to bigger and better things than mere >reincarnation. > >*******************Herald Chonni Brightwolf******************** >Just because some of us can read and write and do >a little math does not mean we should conquer the univers > > Ooo! Urtho as An'desha! Now that has some interesting results... But I don't think Urtho came back as anyone, really. You never know, maybe the Star-Eyed was lonely, and she wanted a guy with a really strong personality! Herald Mareesa Raennsyr ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 16:27:40 -0700 (MST) From: mrtmh-+AT+-primenet.com (puppies and dragons) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Coconuts? Message-ID: <199601162327.QAA14146-+AT+-usr4.primenet.com> At 11:15 PM 1/16/96 GMT, Patrick S. Waterlander wrote: >On Sat, 13 Jan 1996, Becky Anne Christensen wrote: > >> I realized that there are probably a couple of people on this >> list who have no clue about the coconuts, swallows, and other Monty >> Pythin gibberish, so I decided to enlighten you to the wonderful world of >> the python (Monty, that is). It is all clearly explained (kinda) in scene >> 1 of Monty Python and the Holy Grail(c) (tm) and whatever other >> appropriate remarks apply. >> >> There, sorry it is long, and not relevant, but it might help some >> people who are confused. MONTY PYTHON RULES! >> >> (:*BECKY*:) >> >I agree!!!! Excellent quoting I might add. Do you have a copy of the >script on your computer? If you do, I'd like a copy. I really don't have >time to go out searching the net, and net surfing has been banned at my >college anyway, so I couldn't even if I had the time. >My E-Mail address is: >patw-+AT+-clark.edu > >Thanx >Declan > > Ooo! If you have it on your computer, can I have one too? Puh-lease? You can even send it by swallow, but it has to be European! Thanks in advance, Herald Mareesa Raennsyr mrtmh-+AT+-primene t.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 16:16:36 -0500 (EST) From: Ashke To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: New Misty Stuff Message-ID: > > > My thought would be that Kethry and Warrl are dead, and > probably either resting between lives (unlike Tylendel, who appears > to have been sent back right after he died (could have something > to do with that "No rest for the wicked" thing) or are already > back and in their early childhoods. Depending on wether or not > you believe in transmigration, Warrl is most likely still a Kyree, > and Keth could be anybody. She doesn't even have to be on the > same continent anymore. What if she came back as one of Selenay's > twins? They'd be about the right age wouldn't they? I think > though, that we probably won't see her again. Although she'd make > an interesting Comapnion... Not much help, sorry. > > > 'Reesa Raennsyr > mrtmh-+AT+-primnet.com > > Wouldnt she serve her "time" as a spirit kal an edral???? If we do see her again i would expect it to be as the teacher of a youn shin'a'in sword sworn......just like the ones that came to her. If misty has any more characters like that. Ashke ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 16:50:49 -0800 (PST) From: Becky Anne Christensen To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Adepts & nodes (was re: mating gryphons) Message-ID: On Tue, 16 Jan 1996, Sanna Koulu wrote: > Whiteraven wrote: > > I think Misty has been somewhat inconsistent about the way the magic > works. I've been checking into what exactly is the difference between > Masters and Adepts and come up with the following: > > > Later Misty has laid down the rules so that only Adepts (any Adepts) > can use the nodes; anyone of lesser rank gets badly burned. Also, > anyone can see the ley-lines and the nodes, even if they can't use > them. **Where did you find that? I always thought only mages could. Because the only way to see the nodes would be with mage-sight. And if you have mage-sight, then you are a mage. I think that if everyone could see them, we would have heard about them from Heralds. They would have told all the herald trainees about them wouldn't they? (:*BECKY*:) > > > -There are a number of spells that only Adepts can use. (For that > matter, only high-powered mages are good at using spells at all, as > Lendel says). > These Adept-only spells include Gates. That's right, it's from > somewhere in LHM (MPromise perhaps?). And how that fits in with the > fact that Ancar (who didn't even have Adept potential, let alone the > rank) made a perfectly successful Gate, I have no idea. > > -Seanna > **Well, Ancars Gate wasn't exactly perfectly succesful. It didn't go anywhere, all it did was let Falconsbane escape. He was clueless, it was a stupid mistake. That Gate was perfectly UNsuccesful IMHO.** (:*BECKY*:) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 16:59:16 -0800 (PST) From: Becky Anne Christensen To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: men/masculinity Message-ID: On Tue, 16 Jan 1996, Sanna Koulu wrote: > Esmeralda wrote: > > > Julie Vaux wrote: > > > > > Now my idea (danger danger risk of crossposting) of male beauty > > > is someone built like brent spiner (NOT data - brent spiner) > > > moves beautifully , gymnastic rather than althetic, gentle, > > > witty, has a reasonable head of hairshaves and washes regularly > > > knows how to use a comb and brush reads a variety of books > > > interesting eyes expressive good but simple taste in clothes > > > > > > What is your ideal of masculine beauty and WHY do you Like OR > > > DISlike larry's method of depicting males? > > > > Hmm, I have no idea who Brent Spiner is > > So my idea of masculine beauty: > Not much taller than I am (Like Vicki Nelson, I hate feeling petite > :) though it happens to me more often)... say some 5' 10", tops. > > Not too muscled. Wiry but strong is good ("now someone like you, dear > Stefen", to paraphrase :). If anyone knows of any cute free ballet > dancers, long distance runners or martial artists, tell me! (Well > actually, I almost have an embarrassment of riches of those, but > they are so damn hard to catch .) > > -Seanna > > (Whaddya mean, was this supposed > to have some Misty content?) > Well, my ballet teacher, Fred is available, unfortunately for you, he's gay......... Anyways my idea of masculine beauty... He has to be tall, feeling short may be bad, but feeling like a giant is the worst! I'm pretty tall myself, so I hate being by short guys. Anyways he shouldn't be too thin, and no body builder types. He can't be one of those guys that put so much junk in their hair that it is as hard as a helmet. I don't care much about the color of the hair, blonde, brown, whatever. I don't think I'd want a guy excessive body hair. Especially on their backs and armpits (ewww, gross), but I wouldn't want him to be completely hairless, that's just not natural. He should have some hair, and no receeding hairlines! That's about all I can think of right now. If anyome knows a person like this, who's available, and around 16............ (:*BECKY*:) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 17:07:29 -0800 (PST) From: Becky Anne Christensen To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: re: Eastern Empire (+changing philosophies) Message-ID: On Tue, 16 Jan 1996, Patrick S. Waterlander wrote: > On Fri, 12 Jan 1996 dbackhau-+AT+-isou10.estec.esa.nl wrote: > > > > > From what I recall from reading The Black Griffon I didn't get an > > impression of great evil from the EE - decadence maybe. Maybe as we > > only ever see things through heralds eyes (except our Van of course), > > and heralds are by their nature 'nice' (how damning that can sound - > > "he's very ..... nice"), it's not to say that there aren't the usual > > layabouts/louts/liars/crooks/bastards and cows around, we just don't > > get to meet them. > > > > > > Debbi > > *************************************************************************** > > > > > Ah, but you're mistaken on that point. We don't see things only through > heralds eyes. What about Tarma and Kethry? Two full books just on their > life, and then By The Sword chronicles Kero's life, who doesn't become a > herald until the very end. So, we're provided with viewpoints other than > heralds, but most of these viewpoints are in other kingdoms/countries > than Valdemar. > -Declan > ...and the Tayledras. We do hear about all the bad parts, Skif talks about being raised in the streets, and how bad they are. It seems like the Heralds deal with theivery, and other smaller crimes everywhere except in Haven. Or maybe it's just me. (:*BECKY*:) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 17:33:45 -0800 (PST) From: Becky Anne Christensen To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: re- myriad subjects Message-ID: On Tue, 16 Jan 1996, Patrick S. Waterlander wrote: > On Sat, 13 Jan 1996, Becky Anne Christensen wrote: > > > > > > > > Yes! Lets. I agree. I shall cast the first vote. I think Urtho was > > > reincarnated as both Vanyel AND Firesong. Anyone else? > > > -Declan > > > > > > > > That could not possibly be true. Maybe he could have been one of > > them, but not both. If you recall in Winds of Fury, Vanyel kidnaps them, > > including Firesong. Van's spirit is in Sorrows, so it couldn't be > > anywhere else. I guess in a way he isn't even really dead yet. But > > moreimportantly Van talks to Firesong. I find it hard to believe that > > Urthos spirit would talk to itself. > > > > (:*BECKY*:) > > > Ah. Good points. One that I realized about 5 seconds after I sent off > that post. So, I shall have to say that I vote for Urtho being > reincarnated as Firesong. > > Declan > My vote would have to be that Urtho is...not reincarnated. Some people have to just die. Everyone can't come back. Urtho seems like the kind of person that lived out his life, and was done with it. I don't think he would want to keep coming back and doing battle. He didn't like doing battle. He could just go to the Havens, and be at peace, which he certainly deserves. After all, that's all he wanted out of life, peace. (:*BECKY*:) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 17:40:49 -0800 (PST) From: Becky Anne Christensen To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Reincarnation Message-ID: On Tue, 16 Jan 1996, Jerry Cullingford wrote: > > > Yes! Lets. I agree. I shall cast the first vote. I think Urtho was > > > reincarnated as both Vanyel AND Firesong. Anyone else? > > > -Declan > > How is that possible when Firesong met "Van" in the forrest of sorrows ? > > > > Ashke > > Hmm, well, it's only a problem if you have a hangup about linear time - > if time isn't a factor when you're dead, why should you have to reincarnate > in a later time? why not an earlier one? > > That would let you be two people in the same (world) time at different (soul) > times. > > Take it to its logical extreme, and you can have the universe reincarnating > as *everyone* (or *everything*, if you allow rocks/plants/whatever too) > in turn in order to experience itself - neat concept :-). > > > -- > _|_ > / | Jerry Cullingford jc-+AT+-crosfield.co.uk (Work) > \_|_ jc-+AT+-selune.demon.co.uk (Home) > \__/ Hemel Hempstead, UK jerry-+AT+-shell.portal.com (alternate) > Okay, maybe, I still can't quite imagine it. I think that's stretching it a little too far. I can't prove that it isn't true, but it doesn't seem quite right. As soon as I can come up with a good argument, I'll prove that that isn't possible. Just have to kick start my brain...300 volts should do it, right? To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: (Fwd) Bardic Voices vs Valdemar Message-ID: <199601161553.PAA16479-+AT+-gate.dungeon.com> > Kaatje wrote: > > >> > >>Does anyone out there in Lackey land prefer the Bardic Voices > >>books to the Velgrath ones? > > >The Lark and the Wren was my introduction to Misty, and I must say > >it got me completely hooked. I thought the first book was quite > >good in terms of characterization and worldbuilding, but I thought > >the plot was a bit contrived--though certainly an interesting take > >on an old theme--and certain bits were tough to swallow. > >But I did like several bits and pieces--morality plays, > >almost--about taxes, Amber's "house" and other slices of life. And > >the characters were extremely well-drawn. Like I said, it was good > >enough to get me hooked. I do feel that the rest in the Bardic > >series didn't meet that standard, which is probably why I like > >Velgarth more. > > Hear hear. I thoroughly enjoyed the first, but the second (Robin and > Kestrel) just didn't gel - too much religion, and the characters > didn't ring true, so I've not bothered to try A Cast of Corbies, or > the 3rd Bardic Voices (with the characters from the second). A > shame, 'cos the first was well worth the read. > > Debbi I liked the third book, though i think the first is better. BTW did anyone else think that Nightingale bore a striking resemblance to Diana Tregarde? David Ramsden - Avalon-+AT+-post.dungeon.com ---------------------------------------- Then I'd rather have hope - than nothing at all. - Illyana in X-men Omega ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 00:28:51 +0000 From: "David Ramsden" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Sci-Fi vs fantasy Message-ID: <199601161553.PAA16477-+AT+-gate.dungeon.com> > I loved it in By The Sword when totally out of the blue Talia and > Dirk enter the plot - these were people I'd enjoyed reading about in > Arrows, and here they were - it was a meeting of old friends! > _That's_ what few Sci-Fi books do. > > Esmeralda That's one of the things i like about Misty. She develops new main charactes for her trilogies but her old ones are still around in backseat roles David Ramsden - Avalon-+AT+-post.dungeon.com ---------------------------------------- Then I'd rather have hope - than nothing at all. - Illyana in X-men Omega ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 13:11:20 +1100 (EST) From: Julie Vaux To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: meddling gods +size valdemar Message-ID: <199601170211.NAA03719-+AT+-metz.une.edu.au> Meddling Gods - maybe the gods didnt intervene directly cos they wanted the engineers and the magicians to work together so that there wouldnt be a clash of two types of technology on this world - technology in that "magic" and psionic use techniques for direct energy manipulations that are not our type of "tools". Tho the gods may be slowening down changes cos they didnt want a repeat of the catalysm? Size of valdemar - remember even with their speed enhanced by a modified Fetching spell built in the companions have limits to how much they can modifythe laws of physics/nature. Also Valdemaran road builders do not have the "advantages" of dynamite for road cuttings, passes,tunnels and other short cuts. Or heavy cranes yet either? If they have experimental steam boilers that blow up then they nedd to work on the pumping or on better welds for tanks before they can have steam powered drills and cranes. Two thoughts for the day from J.Vaux Now back to Valdemar - what is my alter-ego doing to those annoying blues brats ... mmm its cold enuff to wear gloves indoors s no-one will think its odd that foreign earth witch is wearing gloves so she would come into contact with the icthy herbs- powdered she's carrying a bag of or continually rubbing her eyes cos of the cold ... and scattering the powder ...heheheh ... and they claimed the wierd foreigner was a barbarian with no sense of humor ...that'll teach them to mock her dyheli/mule hybrid ... who can also mindspeak other equines, dyheli, horse, donkey etc. Some people will have interesting experiences when they next maltreat their steeds ... J. Vaux ------------------------------ End of MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 324 *********************************