MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 327 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Reincarnation (fwd) by Becky Anne Christensen 2) re: changing civilizations & Urtho reborn (fwd) by Becky Anne Christensen 3) Re: Coconuts? by Lord Wurm 4) Re: New Misty Stuff by mrtmh-+AT+-primenet.com (puppies and dragons) 5) Re: Sci-Fi vs fantasy by mrtmh-+AT+-primenet.com (puppies and dragons) 6) Northern Vales by CDyeboston-+AT+-aol.com 7) Re: Coconuts?! by mrtmh-+AT+-primenet.com (puppies and dragons) 8) Re: YKYBRTMMLW: by Kitty Watermelon 9) Re: MERCEDES-LACKEY digest 318 by Korendil 10) Re: YKYBRTMMLW: by Kitty Watermelon 11) re: adepts and nodes by CDyeboston-+AT+-aol.com 12) re: changing civilizations by CDyeboston-+AT+-aol.com 13) re: vrondi by CDyeboston-+AT+-aol.com 14) Re: Larry Dixon's art by Mat Timmerman 15) Ancar's Gate by "David J. De Riemacker" <103275.3267-+AT+-compuserve.com> 16) Re: Sci-Fi vs fantasy by Mat Timmerman 17) Gryphons as Mages,Dyheli/mule by "David J. De Riemacker" <103275.3267-+AT+-compuserve.com> 18) Re: Larry Dixon's art by McCaffrey's White Dragon 19) re: reincarnations by CDyeboston-+AT+-aol.com 20) Re: MERCEDES-LACKEY digest 318 by JR9332-+AT+-cub.uca.edu 21) Re: Sci-Fi vs fantasy by "Kristin A. Ruhle" 22) Re: Sci-Fi vs fantasy by Mary Temple 23) Re: magic as a stabilising factor by "Sanna Koulu" 24) re: speaking of historical questions by be248-+AT+-scn.org (SCN User) 25) Re: Sci-Fi vs fantasy by quimpers-+AT+-olympus.net (Phoenix & Cindy) 26) Posting too much? by dbackhau-+AT+-isou10.estec.esa.nl 27) Re: archive address by dbackhau-+AT+-isou10.estec.esa.nl ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 15:50:23 -0800 (PST) From: Becky Anne Christensen To: "Everyone:)" Subject: Re: Reincarnation (fwd) Message-ID: Okay, another one that didn't get through. I think....... (:*BECKY*:) +--------------------+ |BLACK KNIGHT | | I'm invincible! | |KING ARTHUR | | You're a looney.| +--------------------+ ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 17:40:49 -0800 (PST) From: Becky Anne Christensen To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Reincarnation On Tue, 16 Jan 1996, Jerry Cullingford wrote: > > > Yes! Lets. I agree. I shall cast the first vote. I think Urtho was > > > reincarnated as both Vanyel AND Firesong. Anyone else? > > > -Declan > > How is that possible when Firesong met "Van" in the forrest of sorrows ? > > > > Ashke > > Hmm, well, it's only a problem if you have a hangup about linear time - > if time isn't a factor when you're dead, why should you have to reincarnate > in a later time? why not an earlier one? > > That would let you be two people in the same (world) time at different (soul) > times. > > Take it to its logical extreme, and you can have the universe reincarnating > as *everyone* (or *everything*, if you allow rocks/plants/whatever too) > in turn in order to experience itself - neat concept :-). > > > -- > _|_ > / | Jerry Cullingford jc-+AT+-crosfield.co.uk (Work) > \_|_ jc-+AT+-selune.demon.co.uk (Home) > \__/ Hemel Hempstead, UK jerry-+AT+-shell.portal.com (alternate) > Okay, maybe, I still can't quite imagine it. I think that's stretching it a little too far. I can't prove that it isn't true, but it doesn't seem quite right. As soon as I can come up with a good argument, I'll prove that that isn't possible. Just have to kick start my brain...300 volts should do it, right? To: "Everyone:)" Subject: re: changing civilizations & Urtho reborn (fwd) Message-ID: The last one that didn't get through. That's it! (:*BECKY*:) +--------------------+ |BLACK KNIGHT | | I'm invincible! | |KING ARTHUR | | You're a looney.| +--------------------+ ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 17:25:43 -0800 (PST) From: Becky Anne Christensen To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: re: changing civilizations & Urtho reborn On Tue, 16 Jan 1996, CHONNI wrote: > > On Tue, 16 Jan 1996 CDyeboston-+AT+-aol.com wrote: > > > The second possibility is that the presence of active, meddling gods on > > Velgarth is what is retarding the forces of change. After all, once a > > god/goddess has things the way he/she likes them, why muck with experiments? > > > > Cindy > > I kind of like the idea of meddling gods. I mean, if humans had been so > moronic as to half destroy the world, and totally mess up magic, wouldn't > you insure that everyone was less likely to rediscover technology? > Especially if you knew (like the Goddess and Vkandis) that at some > distant point in the future, something horrendous would occur, but you > had no idea what it was? > > > *******************Herald Chonni Brightwolf******************** > Just because some of us can read and write and do > a little math does not mean we should conquer the univers > Earth used to have a VERY meddling God. Plagues, feeding thousands, raising the dead, healing the blind, talking to the chosen few, impregnating young virgins, etc. That certainly seems pretty meddling. But that was all before we became so technologically advanced. The more technology we have, the less of a need we have for God. Before people had doctors, laser surgery and Blue Cross, if someone got sick, they prayed. And lots of times, their prayers worked, without surgery, medicines, etc. It even happens today, I've seen it happen. In Mexico, they are poor and can't afford hospitals, so they pray. Earth also used to have a very protective God over his people. Helped crush their enemies, provided food, rescued them many times, you didn't mess with God's people. But now, we don't see that too often. Mostly because we don'y need God for our health, we have medical plans. We don't need him to defeat our enemies, we have the few...the brave...the proud...the marines. So maybe the deities of Velgarth don't want that to happen to their people. They know that the more technology, the less religion. The deities of Velgarth certainly seem a lot like the Old Testament God. (:*BECKY*:) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Jan 96 18:38 IST From: Lord Wurm To: Subject: Re: Coconuts? Message-ID: > > Ooo! If you have it on your computer, can I have one >too? Puh-lease? You can even send it by swallow, but it has to >be European! African! Can't be European... too heavy... You can find the script and many others at http://www.borg.com/~docrain/montyp/ -Ash sandwurm-+AT+-computek.net haig-+AT+-computek.net haig-+AT+-onramp.net ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 19:38:15 -0700 (MST) From: mrtmh-+AT+-primenet.com (puppies and dragons) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: New Misty Stuff Message-ID: <199601180238.TAA29017-+AT+-usr3.primenet.com> A They'd be about the right age wouldn't they? I think >> though, that we probably won't see her again. Although she'd make >> an interesting Comapnion... Not much help, sorry. >> >> >> 'Reesa Raennsyr >> mrtmh-+AT+-primnet.com >> >> >I have to ask this. What is wrong with your E-Mail program? It keeps >putting two spaces between every word, and it's not very easy to read. >Do you think you could make it look normal somehow? > >Declan > > Actually there is nothing wrong with my e-mail program. I am used to typing for publication, where they ask you to leave two spaces between every line and word:) Easier to edit that way, I guess. If it bothers you a whole bunch, I'll try and stop, but it's one of those ingrained responses now. I'm having to fight it right now. I can't space it two lines apart, so it looks really weird to me! If I really get on your nerves, you can always e-mail me and remind me about it! I'm always home... 'Reesa Raennsyr mrtmh-+AT+-primenet.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 19:47:53 -0700 (MST) From: mrtmh-+AT+-primenet.com (puppies and dragons) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Sci-Fi vs fantasy Message-ID: <199601180247.TAA27615-+AT+-usr6.primenet.com> At 01:52 AM 1/18/96 GMT, Patrick S. Waterlander wrote: >On Mon, 15 Jan 1996 dbackhau-+AT+-isou10.estec.esa.nl wrote: > >> Has anyone read any Tanya Huff? She's another author who actively uses >> homosexual/lesbian heroes/heroines. The Fire Stone (I think it's called that) >> is a gay love story with strong characters that is also about growing up, and >> Sing the Four Quarters & The Fifth Quarter are also good. >> >> >> >First of all, I'd like to say that I know of another author who uses >homosexual/lesbian heroes/heroines in her stories. The book I know of (by >this author) is Gossamer Axe. I'm not sure who the author is, but it >seems to be a fairly popular book, although I'm not sure why it's not in my >public library. > >Declan > >"I am all that I claim to be. I simply have not claimed all that I am." > - Lady Kethryveris > > Okay, so it's horror, but it's pretty good. It's called "Drawing Blood" And it's by Poppy Z. Brite. The main characters are homosexual, and there is a lot of intersting emotional material that gets tackled. 'Reesa Raennsyr mrtmh-+AT+-primenet.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 21:52:14 -0500 From: CDyeboston-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Northern Vales Message-ID: <960117214136_63554705-+AT+-mail04.mail.aol.com> Iasked why there are no Northern Hawkbrothers in Talia's time, and Mat ( on Jan 16) replied, "Actually, there are. The map in WoC lists the locations of all the Tayledras Vales. The Vale of the k'Chona is shown to the north-west of Lake Evendim, with k'Vaia on it's southwest edge." Yes, they are on the maps, but where are they in the action? I don't recall them sending envoys, or even sending messages through to Valdemar, and the mage storms have to be causing them serious trouble! (I grant you, SR is one of the books which I have read through only once, so it might just be my memory at fault.) Yoicks! and Away! Cindy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 19:59:00 -0700 (MST) From: mrtmh-+AT+-primenet.com (puppies and dragons) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Coconuts?! Message-ID: <199601180259.TAA29090-+AT+-usr6.primenet.com> At 02:33 AM 1/18/96 GMT, Becky Anne Christensen wrote: > > oops! Bad me! I just deleted the message with the names of people >who requested the Monty Python script. I don't want to post it on the >list because it is quite long. And I don't want to get yelled at >Anyways, whoever wants it, please tell me again. And I have a question, I >think I missed messages, and some of mine got eaten yeaterday. Does the >list try sending the messages again if your server dies temporarily? >Sorry if this is a stupid question. One more, what's the adress for the >archives? I looked through >some of the other stuff, and didn't see the archive adress anywhere. > > (:*BECKY*:) > +--------------------+ > |BLACK KNIGHT: | > | I'm invincible! | > |KING ARTHUR: | > | You're a looney.| > +--------------------+ > > > Becky, if I ever meet you, I may kiss you! (Okay, not really, but it sounded like I was very, very grateful, right?) I just got through re-routing your Monty scripts, and I may have to actaully print them up! Thank you! (And if you ever set up an off-topic Misty server, tell me! I'll be the first onee to sign up!) Your servant forever (But I don't do windows!) 'Reesa Raennsyr P.S. Sorry Declan, but I can't help it! I really tried! ;) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 20:05:06 -0700 (MDT) From: Kitty Watermelon To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: YKYBRTMMLW: Message-ID: You put up with 798 new messages, 2348 K, just to read _about_ it. Or is that just a symtem of lonliness?....... Zoe Guin Kitty "When I get all steamed up, hear me shout." -Teapot ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 21:06:12 -0600 From: Korendil To: Subject: Re: MERCEDES-LACKEY digest 318 Message-ID: <199601180306.VAA24823-+AT+-ns.cent.com> >I find this post a tremendous waste of bandwidth and of peoples time. >Posing as a person with multiple personalities is not very interesting, >and it is VERY annoying when people put up posts like these. Posts that >have NO meaning whatsoever. I'd appreciate it if whoever did this >wouldn't do it again. It wastes my time, and I have over 100 messages a >day to reply to. Declan...OK, I agree with the multiple personalities thing..I wrote both of those late at night and SHOULD stop...and will. OTOH, there WAS a point to that message, the fact that after so long of NOT seeing the spirit of the list, it had returned...except now, I'm not so sure. I am NOT writing this as a flame of any sort, but its NOT my problem if you have so many messages. You are NOT required to answer or read ANY email. >I have to ask this. What is wrong with your E-Mail program? It keeps >putting two spaces between every word, and it's not very easy to read. >Do you think you could make it look normal somehow? Once again, on this. If you can't find that person's email readable, they do not have to change it on your whim. I know some people who would find that EASIER to read, and I find no difference what so ever. The usual spirit of this list is one of vibrant enthusiasm and good humor. The last time this happened constantly, I left. I plan to again, now. Wind To Thy Wings, Lackey List...but expect no more posts from me:( P.S., I am truly sorry for having to post this to the list, but I felt it was something everyone should see, considering Declan also did not have the decency to do a private email ************ AWESOME ASCII-Art .sig *in the making* Till then: Korendil -+AT+- undermac ; rubin-+AT+-cent.com ***************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 20:51:51 -0700 (MDT) From: Kitty Watermelon To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: YKYBRTMMLW: Message-ID: On Tue, 9 Jan 1996, Ashke wrote: Groans, anyone? I know you'll hate me but I just cannot control myself.... > > > On Mon, 8 Jan 1996, Mat Timmerman wrote: > > > From: Ashke > > >Shadow-Lover writes: > > >> > > >> *Shadow-Lover points out the pronunciation guide...* > > >> > > >> And if you don't understand/know how to use the pronunciation guide at the > > >> beginning of the appendix I'm offering a new product called "Hooked on > > >> Shin'a'in Phonics" It's a wonderful six tape course for only $500 that will > > >> teach you how to...... > > >> > > >> ;) > > >> > > >> - Shadow-Lover > > >> > > >Appendix??????? In which booK???? I knew i missed something1 > > > > > > -Ashke > > Look at the end of Oathbreakers. After the story, there's a Shin'a'in > > glossary/pronunciation guide, then there's the lyrics to some of the > > songs on the Oathbound and Oathbreakers tapes. > > > > Mat > > accmjt-+AT+-vaxc.hofstra.edu > > http://ada.hofstra.edu/~mtimme47/ > > VAX is the source of all evil. > > > Thank you thankyou im forever grateful! > > ashke > > Hmmmmn, now how could I use this to my advantage......? Becky, I wouldn't have said the MIW wouldn't come for you...do I even dare warn you? By just saying that you got their attention, and by warning you I am putting myself in great risk....but, pardon my asking....who is Piers Anthony? I didn't know he had anything to do with the MIW, and I'm no newbie. Zoe Guin Kitty "When I get all steamed up, hear me shout." -Teapot ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 23:27:54 -0500 From: CDyeboston-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: re: adepts and nodes Message-ID: <960117230316_63624456-+AT+-mail06.mail.aol.com> I don't think the gryphons have bleached out for the same reason that Vanyel didn't go abruptly white. Given that you have one or two hairs (or feathers) bleach each time you tap the node, it still takes a long time to turn your hair completely white. 'sides, IIRC, it is constant exposure to the heartstones that bleach out the Tayledras. Seanna (Jan 16) listed out a lot of contradictions in how magic is used and explained in the books. Before I try to do it, does anyone know if there is a guide to each place in the books where magic is used or explained? Yoicks! and Away! Cindy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 23:32:59 -0500 From: CDyeboston-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: re: changing civilizations Message-ID: <960117230322_63624527-+AT+-emout06.mail.aol.com> Seanna said: "I think change in our world has accelerated because things started accumulating - the re-invention of the steam engine (and the printing press a few centuries before) ... "In Valdemar some of these changes have already taken place. They had printing presses in Vanyel's time..." It's funny, in AotQ, Talia seems to think of books as being rare and expensive. If they're using printing presses in Vanyel's time, though, a lot of the cost of books should be gone. Maybe they are still using linen rags only for their paper? If no one has thought to pulp trees, then paper might be expensive enough to explain why books are expensive. My mind is wandering tonight, so I'm recalling the episode of "Connections" where the host explained that paper got cheaper when rags became more common when people had more clothes to spare because they had more money because so many of them had inherited everything that their relatives had possessed when the relatives died during the Black Death. Convoluted yes, but it reminds me of another question? Why is the population fairly stable? We don't get the impression of Valdemar outgrowing it's food supply (under normal circumstances.) With healers understanding the necessity for cleanliness, there should be fairly low infant mortality, so what has kept down the numbers? Maybe Velgarth has something similar to the Black Death? Seanna also asked " Why would bringing magic to the equation change anything?" Jerry said, "-if there's a magical way of doing something available, it reduces the pressure for developing a technological way of doing it." Hence, we see engineering and the scientific method in action most strongly in Valdemar, where there has been no magic for centuries. In other countries I suspect that for big "engineering-type" problems you call in the mages (who are probably the same people with the biggest libraries and are the most used to studying. But are equally the most likely to use a magical solution.) Yoicks! and Away! Cindy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 23:33:08 -0500 From: CDyeboston-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: re: vrondi Message-ID: <960117230326_63624593-+AT+-emout06.mail.aol.com> Declan asked " Ah. But what did the Vrondi get in exchange for performing the duties of the Truth Spell before Vanyel made the heartstone?" I don't know. Maybe they just basked in the Companions' otherworldly glow? Maybe they just like attention, or the feel of someone telling the Truth? I got the impression that as other planar creatures go, the vrondi have the intelligence of very small birds. Yoicks! and Away! Cindy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 23:42:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Mat Timmerman To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Larry Dixon's art Message-ID: <01I04VA5CUFM91WYOV-+AT+-vaxc.hofstra.edu> From: Rosario Holsen-Baker > > Alright, Misty content. The vrondi got, in exchange for their >services, access to the Haven Heartstone. It's all detailed in the >description of the Web setting-up in MPrice; Savil or Vanyel dangles a >line of mage-energy out and waits for the vrondi. When enough of them get >there, they hold it just out of reach and say, If you do such-and-such, >you get all this tasty mage-energy. I guess that's what the vrondi feed >on, or something. Speculations? Yes, but that was only for mage-watching. The Truth Spell existed before Vanyel altered the Web. Remember, in MPromise, Van rants at Lores (the fat-head) that he should have used it on Tashir. So, why did they respond to Truth Spell before? Curiosity? And why is the Web the only reason why they respond to non-mage Heralds later on? Mat accmjt-+AT+-hofstra.edu "They want to stop the ones who want mtimmerman1-+AT+-hofstra.edu prosthetic foreheads on their heads. But mtimme47-+AT+-ada.hofstra.edu everybody wants prosthetic foreheads on mtimme47-+AT+-magic.hofstra.edu their real heads." -- They Might Be Giants http://ada.hofstra.edu/~mtimme47/ ------------------------------ Date: 17 Jan 96 23:40:20 EST From: "David J. De Riemacker" <103275.3267-+AT+-compuserve.com> To: "listproc-+AT+-herald.co.uk" Subject: Ancar's Gate Message-ID: <960118044020_103275.3267_IHH93-3-+AT+-CompuServe.COM> Bright Be the Day!. MF recalls to himself in WoFury that, if he had not been there for the Gate to "fetch", it would have devoured Ancar. So, in fact, Ancar could not make a proper Gate at that time. This is not to say he wouldn't have been able to with experimentation. I don't think Ancar was one to experiment, though. MF also postulated that Ancar would have gotten whatever it was he had wished for(locationwise, that is), but that he hadn't. That lack of focus was what lead the Gate to turn on him. So, my point( yes, I do actually have one) is that Ancar, being only a Master, would have been able to create and use Gates. He would have naurally been more limited than an Adept, but still able. WTTW, Whiteraven ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 23:44:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Mat Timmerman To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Sci-Fi vs fantasy Message-ID: <01I04VHLN19K91WYOV-+AT+-vaxc.hofstra.edu> From: "Patrick S. Waterlander" > >First of all, I'd like to say that I know of another author who uses >homosexual/lesbian heroes/heroines in her stories. The book I know of (by >this author) is Gossamer Axe. I'm not sure who the author is, but it >seems to be a fairly popular book, although I'm not sure why it's not in my >public library. > >Declan The author is Gael Baudino. Mat accmjt-+AT+-vaxc.hofstra.edu http://ada.hofstra.edu/~mtimme47/ ------------------------------ Date: 17 Jan 96 23:39:46 EST From: "David J. De Riemacker" <103275.3267-+AT+-compuserve.com> To: "listproc-+AT+-herald.co.uk" Subject: Gryphons as Mages,Dyheli/mule Message-ID: <960118043946_103275.3267_IHH93-1-+AT+-CompuServe.COM> Heyla, all Gryphons are instictive mages. Treyvan says so himself in WoFate, when he and Darkwind are discussing the mating flight to come. In fact, the gryphlets need node energy in order to mature properly. He even mentions that gryphons are instinctive or "earth" mages. I wonder, does this make them somehow extraplanar? If they need node energy to thrive, it would seem that they now fit in the same category as demons, vrondi, and such, while also occupying the same one as us mundane creatures. Or, perhaps not. I would rather hope not. I rather like the idea of them being mundane. One last thing. How do you cross a mule with a dyheli? Dyheli, I reckoned, are only about deer or antelope sized. Larger than humans, but smaller than gryphons. On average, of course. Some large humans are larger than some small gryphons. And, gryphons can get bigger than horses(making them as large as a small airplane). You'd be surprised at how many coconuts a gryphon that size can carry. So, to get back on track...The antelope-sized dyheli mates with a sterile, horse-sized, and also nonsapient, mule to produce the aforementioned cross. I don't think so. Now, a dyheli/Companion cross sounds more viable, if only because the two are people, whereas the mule is just a simple "animal". Hope this doesn't come across as harsh. It seems so to me, but I can't seem to clean it up any better. G'night, all, Whiteraven(Who needs more sleep and less ML)Well, not less ML, just more sleep. Maybe less work? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 21:15:35 -0800 (PST) From: McCaffrey's White Dragon To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Larry Dixon's art Message-ID: On Thu, 18 Jan 1996, Mary Temple wrote: > At 02:28 PM 01/17/96 GMT, you wrote: > >Mary Temple/NoxCat/Catriona Rowley (which do I use???) wrote: > > Well, Mary is the mundane, Catriona is the SCA, and NoxCat is the rest. :) > > > >Hear hear. The cover cat was better, although I see aaaaaaaaaaaargh, my > >brain today ......... thingy, wossisname, 'im-over-there, ..... Altra (yes! > >yes!! yes!!! - no that was not a Meg Ryan, just my brain coming up trumps) as > >a seal point - altho' I'm biased in their favour having spent my formative > >years being raised by my parents and a seal-point of much character. The > >persian of LD's was a fine drawing as I recall, but Altra???? > > You too? I grew up w/ a seal-point as my "older sister". She was there when > I was born, and she died when I was 17. (four or five days short of her 19th > birthday.) And I think ML describes Altra as having "flame points"...(goes > looking for Storm Warning, and gets waylaid by her cat demanding immediate > attention)...actually, the phrase used is: "brick-red". (A SLENDER, cream > colored body. NO persian I've met fits the slender part. ) So a "flame > point" siamese...? > > Actually, the way Altra is described, I believe he is a (large) red-point siamese. I have a seal-point and a half red-point, both of whom I, naturally, adore. ________________ Insanity takes it's toll. ________________ |\________________\ |\________________\ || | Jake Gipple (360)-887-3676 || | || PEAT MOSS | Please have exact change || REPEAT MOSS | \|________________| when replying. \|________________| a.k.a. McCaffrey's White Dragon -==UDIC==- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 00:26:17 -0500 From: CDyeboston-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: re: reincarnations Message-ID: <960117230313_63624406-+AT+-emout05.mail.aol.com> Esmeralda asked: "Why have we slipped into assuming that everyone comes back as either a leshya'e......or re-incarnated as someone else?" Actually, I'm not assuming that. But given the overwhelming evidence that _some_ people come back (at least on Velgarth) it is fun to speculate on the possibilities. I like Chonni's suggestion that Urtho came back as An'desha. But I also got a kick out of someone's (forgive me, too many digests, I can't find the ref) suggestion that Urtho came back as a potato farmer. Yoicks! and Away! Cindy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 00:41:30 CST From: JR9332-+AT+-cub.uca.edu To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: MERCEDES-LACKEY digest 318 Message-ID: <568A06153D8-+AT+-cub.uca.edu> > Date sent: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 01:12:30 GMT > Send reply to: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk > From: "Patrick S. Waterlander" > To: jr9332-+AT+-cub.uca.edu > Subject: Re: MERCEDES-LACKEY digest 318 > On Mon, 15 Jan 1996, Korendil wrote: > > > > I think I'm going to shut up now...great idea, IMHO...humble? Since WHEN > > have you been humble?!...fine...IMO...thats better > > I'd appreciate it if whoever did this wouldn't do it again. It wastes my time, and I have over 100 messages a day to reply to. > Declan > > Your whining is as much of a waste of time as his personal problems. It sounds as if you are spending too much time on the computer. Go out and have fun and than maybe you will not be so bitchy. His problems take up a lot less space that some peoples refusal to snip and clip messages they are responding to. Pandora ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 22:49:06 -0800 (PST) From: "Kristin A. Ruhle" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Sci-Fi vs fantasy Message-ID: <199601180649.AA11798-+AT+-foxtrot.rahul.net> > > On Mon, 15 Jan 1996 dbackhau-+AT+-isou10.estec.esa.nl wrote: > > > > > First of all, I'd like to say that I know of another author who uses > homosexual/lesbian heroes/heroines in her stories. The book I know of (by > this author) is Gossamer Axe. I'm not sure who the author is, but it > seems to be a fairly popular book, although I'm not sure why it's not in my > public library. > Gossamer Axe is by Gael Baudino. It's a wonderful book (although I think one can appreciate it better if one understands music theory because that's how the bardic/harp magic works). The heroine is a lesbian and the lover she is trying to rescue from the faerie is female, but I don't think the novel focuses on lesbianism - you could change "she" to a "he" and not change it that much IMO. Kristin ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 01:52:34 -0600 (CST) From: Mary Temple To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Sci-Fi vs fantasy Message-ID: <199601180752.BAA14873-+AT+-natashya.eden.com> At 01:52 AM 01/18/96 GMT, you wrote: >On Mon, 15 Jan 1996 dbackhau-+AT+-isou10.estec.esa.nl wrote: > >> >First of all, I'd like to say that I know of another author who uses >homosexual/lesbian heroes/heroines in her stories. The book I know of (by >this author) is Gossamer Axe. I'm not sure who the author is, but it >seems to be a fairly popular book, although I'm not sure why it's not in my >public library. > >Declan > >"I am all that I claim to be. I simply have not claimed all that I am." > - Lady Kethryveris > Try Gael Baudino. I just got done reading her series on Elves. (Strands of Starlight, Maze of Moonlight, Shroud of Shadow, and something about Sunlight.) There's only five homosexuals in the entire series, and they're all minor characters. I've never read Gossamer Axe...so I won't say anything about it. But the series I just finished reading: I don't usually like my historical fiction and my fantasy mixed, but liked it. Even with the blatant inaccuracies. (Somehow, historical fiction that's not historically accurate REALLY interferes w/ the story for me.) /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Mary Temple I am the cat who walks by Himself, NoxCat and all places are alike to me. Catriona Rowley - Rudyard Kipling ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 10:23:10 EET From: "Sanna Koulu" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: magic as a stabilising factor Message-ID: Jerry Cullingford wrote: > > Why would bringing magic to the equation change anything? > > > > -Seanna > > I can certainly see it acting to slow down the rate of change, for > several reasons: No, I actually meant that those in power _always_ want to preserve the status quo, whether they have magic or not. I do agree that magic could make technological change slower. > - If there's a magical way of doing something available, it reduces the > pressure for developing a technological way of doing it. > > - Potential technologists may end up as mages instead. > > - Mages may block/discourage rival technological methods. I agree; those are all good points. However, all those creative, inventive people would still be there. One might thus assume that _magic_ becomes the focus of development - that one wouldn't invent a technological steam engine, but instead some new spell or technique that did the same thing. Also, note that just because there is no technological change doesn't mean there can't be social, philosophical etc. progress. -Seanna ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 18:46:49 -0800 From: be248-+AT+-scn.org (SCN User) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: re: speaking of historical questions Message-ID: <199601180246.SAA16986-+AT+-scn.org> > >I asked about Highjorune. Mat suggested it was destroyed in the earthquake >at the end of MPromise, and Jaguar proposed that both Highjorune and Qorthes >(the capital of Baires) were absorbed into Valdemar and are now minor cities. > >Okay, I agree that Lineas and Baires were absorbed into Valdemar, although I >don't see why that means the cities should disappear from the maps. I can't >see Highjorune being destroyed by the earthquake, though, because I'm sure >someone would have mentioned to Vanyel when he woke up, "Hey, Van, you know >that clever solution you came up with of draining the node and causing an >earthquake? It really wiped out the Mavelans all right, but it also killed >off six or seven hundred folks in Highjorune when their roofs caved in on >them." > >I think it would have gotten mentioned. > >Maybe the Heralds encouraged everyone to move out so that the node wouldn't >be disturbed again? IIRC, only the palace complex of Highjorune collapsed in the earthquake that Van and the Mavelans caused. Therefore, the common people who lived in Highjorune weren't harmed, the heartstone was neatly sealed off, and the city descended into obscurity, certainly Tashir couldn't return there to hold his proto-government, so he probably moved to Quorthes (sp?) to have his semi-court. After his death, and his presumably single life, that city most-likely descended into obscurity with Highjorune as they were absorbed into Valdemar. Just my thoughts... Zhai'helleva, Herald Briana "Finder of Useless Trivia" -- Herald Briana Kestyl wc814-+AT+-freenet.victoria be248-+AT+-scn.org HeraldBria-+AT+-aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 00:34:19 -0700 From: quimpers-+AT+-olympus.net (Phoenix & Cindy) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Sci-Fi vs fantasy Message-ID: >First of all, I'd like to say that I know of another author who uses >homosexual/lesbian heroes/heroines in her stories. The book I know of (by >this author) is Gossamer Axe. I'm not sure who the author is, but it >seems to be a fairly popular book, although I'm not sure why it's not in my >public library. > >Declan Gael Baudino is the author of Gossamer Axe. quimpers-+AT+-olympus.net ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Jan 96 09:30:48 +0100 From: dbackhau-+AT+-isou10.estec.esa.nl To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Posting too much? Message-ID: <9601180830.AA13680-+AT+-isou10.estec.esa.nl> Declan wrote: >This is the first list that I have been on, and even though I'm fairly >adept at fixing problems that I create here on my server, I'm wondering >one thing. Am I posting too much? I usually do about 20 or so replies >each day. I have also started two new threads and am about to start >another. Am I overdoing it at all? If I am, please tell me. > probably not - some days I have lots to say, some none. I'd have thought that threads were always welcome - isn't that what we're here for - to spark of discourse and dissent . However, I'm a newbie, so maybe some of the ooooooooold-timers think different? Esmeralda Evensbane ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Jan 96 09:43:24 +0100 From: dbackhau-+AT+-isou10.estec.esa.nl To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: archive address Message-ID: <9601180843.AA13692-+AT+-isou10.estec.esa.nl> At 02:33 AM 1/18/96 GMT, Becky Anne Christensen wrote: >Sorry if this is a stupid question. Why? >One more, what's the adress for the archives? I looked through >some of the other stuff, and didn't see the archive adress anywhere. it is: http://ftp.herald.co.uk/pub/lists/lackey-archives/ It's how I spent my first month or so lurking around this list - just browsing the digests. Esmeralda Evensbane ------------------------------ End of MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 327 *********************************