MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 328 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Adepts & nodes -long by "Sanna Koulu" 2) flames/bonfires/conflagrations by dbackhau-+AT+-isou10.estec.esa.nl 3) Re: on a more civil note ... some questions by STOKES J <95662014-+AT+-mmu.ac.uk> 4) Re: Contacting Firebird from the UK by STOKES J <95662014-+AT+-mmu.ac.uk> 5) Re: Larry Dixon's art by Rosario Holsen-Baker 6) Re: Ancar's Gate (BG SPOILER) by Rosario Holsen-Baker 7) Re: SPOILER The Eagle and the Nightingales SPOILER by STOKES J <95662014-+AT+-mmu.ac.uk> 8) WHO WOULD YOU CAST? by STOKES J <95662014-+AT+-mmu.ac.uk> 9) re: vrondi by Becky Anne Christensen 10) Re: Permanant Gates by "David Ramsden" 11) re: reincarnations by "David Ramsden" 12) Re: Names, threads, snow, Men In White by David Ramsden 13) Re: Adepts & nodes (was re: mating gryphons) by "Patrick S. Waterlander" 14) Heartstone was Re: what do vrondi get? by Dalisair3-+AT+-aol.com 15) Repudations by Dalisair3-+AT+-aol.com 16) Re: on a more civil note ... some questions by Rosario Holsen-Baker 17) Re: on a more civil note ... some questions by jr9332-+AT+-cub.uca.edu 18) Misty-related funny story ;) by Catherine Osborne 19) Re: Sacred Ground by CHONNI 20) Re: Permanant Gates by "Patrick S. Waterlander" 21) mules, gating & death... by CHONNI 22) Re: Larry Dixon's art by "Patrick S. Waterlander" 23) re: speaking of historical questions by Stephanie Wukovitz 24) Re: WHO WOULD YOU CAST? by mrtmh-+AT+-primenet.com (puppies and dragons) 25) Re: on a more civil note ... some questions by mrtmh-+AT+-primenet.com (puppies and dragons) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 11:25:04 EET From: "Sanna Koulu" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Adepts & nodes -long Message-ID: Kerry wrote: > Seanna wrote: > > > > I don't think the gryphons are innately magical, anymore that the > > Tayledras are (but of course, the Goddess gave the latter an inborn > > trace of mage-gift). I still think they should bleach - and there is > > proof of bleached gryphons :). > > I agree they should bleach, but just in point of accuracy, there > is on proof of gryphons ever bleaching _from use of node power_. Skandranon > bleaches because he's trapped in the Void between Gates, which is an entirely > different source. Is it? I can't remember. Lessee... Node-power comes from the ley- lines... the ley-lines start as little trickles of energy... which come from living beings... Now, where do living creatures (well, and rocks) get their energy? And where does the energy finally go? Kethry explains this, I think, in the beginning of Oathbound, or possibly BTS, and the explanation included the fact that the energy goes to some other plane from where living creatures get it. I think. Or am I imagining things? So what if the Void between Gates is where the energy flows through? Kinda like the negative side of the Prime Material Plane (tm) .... > > > I think Misty has been somewhat inconsistent about the way the magic > > works. I've been checking into what exactly is the difference between > > Masters and Adepts and come up with the following: > > Yes and no.. My favourite theory is that little snippet mentioned in WG > where the mage-storms make it difficult to work magic at various periods. > I *still* think that magic worked differently during Vanyel's time because > of this effect. I disagree here.. Of course, it's a possibility, but I'd say unlikely. After all, there's only 600 years in between, and the Mage Wars were 2500 years ago. Actually, one would expect Talia's times to be harder, magic-wise. Assume the following graph to express the disruption of magic. So the first peak is the original Storm, at about 1000 years pre- Founding. The second peak is the echo in Selenay's reign, about 1400 AF. After the first Storm, there is a period when magic is rather unpredictable, after which magic returns to normal (not to what it was before Urtho's time, though). I'd guess this period is a few centuries. When the Storms re-echo through Velgarth, they come in reverse order. So I'd assume that the same few centuries of disruption would occur in Roald's and Selenay's reigns, at least. Like this: /\ /\ / \_______ _______/ \ / \_____________/ \ Or that's what seems intuitively right to me. Thus Vanyel would have lived smack in the middle of the "quiet" times - well, magically anyway. > > Actually, the exact quote is closer to "I suspect that of your mages > > only those you call Adept-class can do it well" - implying that lower- > > level mages CAN use nodes, only not very well. I think it was also > > implied (or said straight out) that outsiders couldn't even _see_ > > nodes, nor could they use ley-lines. I'm not totally sure, though. > > Someone might check it out... > > It was rare in Van's time, probably requiring either a certain level of > sensitivity (which was usually only possessed by Adepts) or training in > what to look for (only taught by Tayledras). Hmm. I guess that makes sense... One objection though: I'm certain that the reason all Tayledras can use node-power is the gift from the Goddess, built into their genes or something (it's inborn, I mean) - this from somewhere in the Winds, probably. Moondance, though, says in MPawn that adopted outsiders learned to use node-power too - but remember that this was accompanied by physical change. I guess what I'm not-so-successfully trying to say is that training alone isn't enough. (who me verbose? :) > > Later Misty has laid down the rules so that only Adepts (any Adepts) > > can use the nodes; anyone of lesser rank gets badly burned. Also, > > anyone can see the ley-lines and the nodes, even if they can't use > > them. > > Like I said.. 1000 or so years difference, the effects of the mage-storms > may well have changed.. See above. > > > -There are a number of spells that only Adepts can use. (For that > > matter, only high-powered mages are good at using spells at all, as > > Lendel says). > > I think the Herald-Mages in general were just not that into spells, rather > more into combat magics (which seem to be primarily throwing energy around). Agreed. I was thinking of the place where Lendel is looking for the two spells in Savil's spell-book. He says something to the effect that spells work really well for someone with as strong a mage-gift as his. (Adept, I'd say) > > These Adept-only spells include Gates. That's right, it's from > > somewhere in LHM (MPromise perhaps?). And how that fits in with the > > fact that Ancar (who didn't even have Adept potential, let alone the > > rank) made a perfectly successful Gate, I have no idea. > > Ancar didn't, he was very very lucky. Instead of his Gate reaching into > the Void and out again to somewhere else (presumably requiring more power) > he just had to reach into the Void. Also his Gate never had to be stable > (as in, the strands reaching out and touching each other making a complete > portal) - it's act of finding it's target (Falconsbane) which would normally > have made it stable (and incidentally drained a heck of a lot more energy) > also meant it had finished it's task and could collapse. I'm not sure... this seems like a viable explanation but... I compared two of the Gates we've seen: Savil's when she and Van are first going to the Tayledras, and Ancar's in WFury. I think it seems like the point where the most energy is required is while weaving the Gate. That's when the energy is pulled away from you. And THAT Ancar did successfully. After the Weaving is done, the Gate stabilizes and the energy requirements go down. (Savil sighed of relief/something). Keeping the Gate up does require power, but no skill, I think. So Ancar managed to weave the Gate; the problems started when he didn't give them a target. The flash of soundless light that stabilized the Gate is the same which Savil described, though the energy that flowed back into Ancar isn't (it might be a side-effect of setting a Gate into the Void). I'd say the power requirements shouldn't faze Masters from Gating. Nowhere has it been said that Adepts automatically have larger power reservoirs, and Ancar had just gorged himself on blood energy. While it possibly requires less energy to Gate something from the Void, I'd say the difference between that and making a Gate 20 meters away isn't that telling. What do you think? -Seanna the theoretician ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Jan 96 12:24:25 +0100 From: dbackhau-+AT+-isou10.estec.esa.nl To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: flames/bonfires/conflagrations Message-ID: <9601181124.AA13957-+AT+-isou10.estec.esa.nl> Hey c'mon people - chill out, think mellow-yellow (that's from a Donavan song and SERIOUSLY dates me), go with the flow, hang loose, ease up, let loose those negative vibes, life's too short for getting heavy over 'ickle bitsy-witsy niggles. Use those delete keys, learn to mutter rude names at your screen (my current favourites - also addressed at (male) drivers but highly applicable for both the sexes are: pratt plonker dick-head (this has definite male leanings I think) steeeeeeuuuuuupid cow (ditto above but female) moron dipstick wally These probably have an english bias, but, they're said and gone in seconds, then it's a spot of Karmic breathing and Bob's your uncle, Fanny's your aunt, peace and serenity here you come. I shall now go find my kaftan, listen to my ancient Donavan record (I can just here the kiddies (those under 30) mouthing at each other "who the heck's Donavan when he's at home"), and think cool thoughts, Peace man, like, y'know, ................ Esmeralda Evensbane ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 13:56:43 GMT From: STOKES J <95662014-+AT+-mmu.ac.uk> To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: on a more civil note ... some questions Message-ID: <90AF16513F-+AT+-EXCALIBUR.MMU.AC.UK> Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 02:23:52 GMT Reply-to: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk From: JJASON STOKES -+AT+-MMU.AC.UK To: Subject: Re: on a more civil note ... some questions draw "macho" musclebound types or worse those ugly drawing for the gay market of deformed teenagers with moutasches, steriod abuse and very strange penile conformations ... Julie Vaux almost back to human - sometimes like Opus the Penguin I wish for wings that work! I think that comment about the gay community was VERY UNFAIR I have a lot of friends in that community none of whom resemble that [ to my mind] blatent homophobic statement. For someone who reads books with shaych characters you seem to have a very narrow tolerance level of shaych people in the real world. [ appologies to anyone who thinks I've over reacted] Jason ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 14:16:34 GMT From: STOKES J <95662014-+AT+-mmu.ac.uk> To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Contacting Firebird from the UK Message-ID: <9103AB3FDC-+AT+-EXCALIBUR.MMU.AC.UK> Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 14:47:37 GMT Reply-to: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk From: JASON STOKES -+AT+-MMU.AC.UK To: 95662014-+AT+-mmu.ac.uk Subject: Contacting Firebird from the UK How long does mail (real pieces of paper mail) take to go between here and the US usually? Rosetta sent off for a catalogue in early December, but no joy yet - what with Christmas is it too early expect it? Anyone in the UK got any of the Misty related CDs from Firebird? Owen Well I sent off for a catalogue about 10 months ago. Still have not recieved it. Mail usually only takes a few days[ personal experience about 5 days] to get to the US. JASON ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 09:16:54 -0500 (EST) From: Rosario Holsen-Baker To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Larry Dixon's art Message-ID: On Thu, 18 Jan 1996, Mat Timmerman wrote: > Lores (the fat-head) that he should have used it on Tashir. So, > why did they respond to Truth Spell before? Curiosity? And why > is the Web the only reason why they respond to non-mage Heralds > later on? Augh! I'm not supposed to know these things! I'm supposed to know the electron configuration of Beryllium and what a homogeneous substance is! But I'll take a stab at this. Perhaps before, since they were only calling small amounts of vrondi for the Truth Spell, they *did* (as Cindy suggested) bask in the Companion's mage-energies. Or whatever it was lesha'ye exude. Something like that. Back to my chem exam... |--------------------------------<>------------------------------| | He screams and screams and pounds his head against the wall until | | wailing phantom firetrucks paces across his vision. | | PAIN. PAIN IS ALL HE WANTS: We shall never forget and never forgive. | | AND NEVER EVER FEAR | |FEAR IS FOR THE ENEMY FEAR AND BULLETS | |------------------------------------------------------------------------| ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 09:20:33 -0500 (EST) From: Rosario Holsen-Baker To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Ancar's Gate (BG SPOILER) Message-ID: Whiteraven wrote: > So, my point( yes, I do actually have one) is that Ancar, being only a > Master, would have been able to create and use Gates. He would have naurally > been more limited than an Adept, but still able. Not only that, but at the end of BG, when they're all building Gates as fast as they can to escape the worst of the mage-storm and Skan is caught in the Gate he used to get out of Ma'ar's throne room, Vikteren, though he's only supposed to be Master level, holds the Gate open for a little bit. Which actually could mean Vikteren's really Adept level, but it could also mean that Masters could make Gates...and IIRC, in SW, there is mention of Masters in the Empire grouping together to build Gates. |--------------------------------<>------------------------------| | He screams and screams and pounds his head against the wall until | | wailing phantom firetrucks paces across his vision. | | PAIN. PAIN IS ALL HE WANTS: We shall never forget and never forgive. | | AND NEVER EVER FEAR | |FEAR IS FOR THE ENEMY FEAR AND BULLETS | |------------------------------------------------------------------------| ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 14:20:34 GMT From: STOKES J <95662014-+AT+-mmu.ac.uk> To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: SPOILER The Eagle and the Nightingales SPOILER Message-ID: <9114A265A8-+AT+-EXCALIBUR.MMU.AC.UK> Did anyone else get the impression that Nightingale was a lot older when Lark first met her. And yet in the 3rd book she is no older than Robin. Am I getting old or just misreading ? JASON ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 14:31:04 GMT From: STOKES J <95662014-+AT+-mmu.ac.uk> To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: WHO WOULD YOU CAST? Message-ID: <9141717173-+AT+-EXCALIBUR.MMU.AC.UK> Last month I was at a meeting of Misty fans in Sheffield, It was decided that Michael Praed [sp?] would be the perfect Vanyel. Does anyone else have suggestions as to who they would cast as Van or other characters? I see you shiver in antici.....pation JASON ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 07:04:36 -0800 (PST) From: Becky Anne Christensen To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: re: vrondi Message-ID: On Thu, 18 Jan 1996 CDyeboston-+AT+-aol.com wrote: > Declan asked " Ah. But what did the Vrondi get in exchange for performing > the duties of the Truth Spell before Vanyel made the heartstone?" > > I don't know. Maybe they just basked in the Companions' otherworldly glow? > Maybe they just like attention, or the feel of someone telling the Truth? I > got the impression that as other planar creatures go, the vrondi have the > intelligence of very small birds. > > Yoicks! and Away! > > Cindy > I remember one of the books, I have no idea which one though, talking about vrondi. I believe they were described as not too bright, and eager to please, like puppies. (:*BECKY*:) +--------------------+ |BLACK KNIGHT: | | I'm invincible! | |KING ARTHUR: | | You're a looney!| +--------------------+ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 16:03:39 +0000 From: "David Ramsden" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Permanant Gates Message-ID: <199601180543.FAA30307-+AT+-gate.dungeon.com> > > > > > On Wed, 17 Jan 1996, David Ramsden wrote: > > > Does anyone have any theories on how permanant gates are made? > > > > > > David Ramsden - Avalon-+AT+-post.dungeon.com > > ---------------------------------------- > > Then I'd rather have hope - than nothing at all. > > > > - Illyana in X-men Omega > > My theory is that all you would have to do to make a Gate > permanent would be to link it to an unmited power source. If you > link it to a heartstone, then it will have a never ending power > supplt to feed it. Then it won't have to shut down when the mage > runs out of energy. > > > (:*BECKY*:) > +-------------------+ > |BLACK KNIGHT | > | I'm invincible!| > |KING ARTHUR | > | You're a looney| > +-------------------+ > But did they have heartstones in Urtho's time? David Ramsden - Avalon-+AT+-post.dungeon.com ---------------------------------------- Then I'd rather have hope - than nothing at all. - Illyana in X-men Omega ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 16:03:39 +0000 From: "David Ramsden" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: re: reincarnations Message-ID: <199601180543.FAA30311-+AT+-gate.dungeon.com> > Esmeralda asked: "Why have we slipped into assuming that everyone > comes back as either a leshya'e......or re-incarnated as > someone else?" > > Actually, I'm not assuming that. But given the overwhelming > evidence that _some_ people come back (at least on Velgarth) it is > fun to speculate on the possibilities. I like Chonni's suggestion > that Urtho came back as An'desha. > But I also got a kick out of someone's (forgive me, too many > digests, I > can't find the ref) suggestion that Urtho came back as a potato > farmer. > > Yoicks! and Away! > > Cindy > That was me :) David Ramsden - Avalon-+AT+-post.dungeon.com ---------------------------------------- Then I'd rather have hope - than nothing at all. - Illyana in X-men Omega ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 16:03:39 +0000 From: David Ramsden To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Names, threads, snow, Men In White Message-ID: <199601180543.FAA30309-+AT+-gate.dungeon.com> > On Sun, 14 Jan 1996, Catherine Osborne wrote: > > > On Tue, 9 Jan 1996, Rosario Holsen-Baker wrote: > > > > > Need's apprentice's name is Vena. I have no idea what Need's > > > name is, but I think it *is* Lashan (can't remember who said > > > that :), and it's in Winds of Fate *and* Change. > > > > Hmmm. Sorry, Jag, but I think you're wrong. IIRC, it says that > > Need couldn't even remember her old name, it had been so long, and > > so they just kept calling her Need. > > > > I\/ Catherine Osborne "After great pain, > > I\/ Sundancer a formal feeling comes." > > I cosborne-+AT+-sidwell.edu --Emily Dickinson > > I http://www.sidwell.edu/~cosborne/ > > > > > I recall having this conversation already, but that's ok! When > Elspeth and Skif get to Kata'shin'a'in, Need wakes up. Once they > are settled in an inn, Need *shows* them her origins. During this > showing, she remembers her name, and her apprentices name. I think > this took place in WFate or WChange. > > Declan > Wrong. It was the time she was explaining to Nyara that she could manage by herself that she revealed her name....I think we've allready said this David Ramsden - Avalon-+AT+-post.dungeon.com ---------------------------------------- Then I'd rather have hope - than nothing at all. - Illyana in X-men Omega ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 09:16:59 -0800 (PST) From: "Patrick S. Waterlander" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Adepts & nodes (was re: mating gryphons) Message-ID: On Tue, 16 Jan 1996, Sanna Koulu wrote: > -There are a number of spells that only Adepts can use. (For that > matter, only high-powered mages are good at using spells at all, as > Lendel says). > These Adept-only spells include Gates. That's right, it's from > somewhere in LHM (MPromise perhaps?). And how that fits in with the > fact that Ancar (who didn't even have Adept potential, let alone the > rank) made a perfectly successful Gate, I have no idea. > > -Seanna > > > I think that one of the reasons that Ancar could build a gate at all is that he used a spell that was different from the ones used by Herald-Mages and Tayledras/Kaled'a'in. I also think that had he known what he was doing, and had he tried to complete the spell, he would have died, because as a Master level mage he wouldn't have enough energy within himself to complete it, nor the skill to control the spell. In the end, the gate would drain him completely, and he would die. Declan "I am all that I claim to be. I simply have not claimed all that I am." - Lady Kethryveris ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 13:49:49 -0500 From: Dalisair3-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Heartstone was Re: what do vrondi get? Message-ID: <960118134948_200313578-+AT+-mail04.mail.aol.com> In a message dated 96-01-17 22:27:50 EST, you write: >The Haven Heartstone did not exist until WChange/WFury. When the Heartstone >is activated and "magic" is back in Valdemar WRONG!!!!! Read and understand. This was something no one outside of the Tayledras clans had never attempted. Vanyel was going to create a heart-stone. A small one, but nevertheless, a true heart-stone. (Snip. Two pages later...) Kilchas had managed to stand up while they were talking; he reached for the globe and tried to pick it up. His expression of suprise when he couldn't made Vanyel chuckle weakly. "That's a heart-stone now," he said apologetically. "It's fused to the table, and the table is fused to the stone of the Palace and the bedrock beneath it." Hahahahahahahahh!!!!! I win!!!! Dalisair Gemwind ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 14:22:22 -0500 From: Dalisair3-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Repudations Message-ID: <960118142219_200333046-+AT+-mail04.mail.aol.com> Now correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't it stated in Arrows that it's been about 200 years since a Herald has been repudated? And haven't we established that its been about 600 since Tylendel? Wonder what happened? >Hmmmmn, now how could I use this to my advantage......? Becky, I >wouldn't have said the MIW wouldn't come for you...do I even dare warn >you? By just saying that you got their attention, and by warning you I >am putting myself in great risk....but, pardon my asking....who is >Piers Anthony? I didn't know he had anything to do with the MIW, and >I'm no newbie. > Zoe Guin Rember that The Ones In Black are watching. Be careful who you warn.... Still accepting apps for TOIB, Gemwind K' Sheyna ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 15:17:55 -0500 (EST) From: Rosario Holsen-Baker To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: on a more civil note ... some questions Message-ID: On Thu, 18 Jan 1996, STOKES J wrote: > Subject: Re: on a more civil note ... some questions > > > draw "macho" musclebound types or worse those ugly drawing for the gay > market of deformed teenagers with moutasches, steriod abuse and very > strange penile conformations ... > > Julie Vaux almost back to human - > > I think that comment about the gay community was VERY UNFAIR > I have a lot of friends in that community none of whom resemble > that [ to my mind] blatent homophobic statement. For someone > who reads books with shaych characters you seem to have a > very narrow tolerance level of shaych people in the real world. > [ appologies to anyone who thinks I've over reacted] > Well, you have, but I do se your point...er, no. (down, Inner Pervert! Away!) That wasn't about the gay community, that was about what is usually *aimed at* the gay community. Or am I just completely brain dead from exams? |--------------------------------<>------------------------------| | He screams and screams and pounds his head against the wall until | | wailing phantom firetrucks paces across his vision. | | PAIN. PAIN IS ALL HE WANTS: We shall never forget and never forgive. | | AND NEVER EVER FEAR | |FEAR IS FOR THE ENEMY FEAR AND BULLETS | |------------------------------------------------------------------------| ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 14:50:22 CST From: jr9332-+AT+-cub.uca.edu To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: on a more civil note ... some questions Message-ID: <576C7332656-+AT+-cub.uca.edu> Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 02:25:52 GMT Reply-to: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk From: Julie Vaux To: jr9332-+AT+-cub.uca.edu Subject: A little late. Now that I've spanked the children to get thier attention ... back to mercedes lackey and keep that mewling of pain down to a murmur kits ... Julie Vaux almost back to human - You call abusing children civil? Try some positive reinforcement it tends to get better results that beatings. Pandora ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 15:52:22 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine Osborne To: mercedes lackey list Subject: Misty-related funny story ;) Message-ID: Today I took my physics exam. Last night, I was writing up notes on the computer and playing "Shadowstalker." The last song on it is The Herald's Creed. I opened my physics exam. I did five problems before The herald's creed started playing in my head. It got stuck there and stayed for the whole exam (but I think I aced it anyway ;) I\/ Catherine Osborne "After great pain, who never, ever has to take another physics, chem, or bio class again. gryn. gryn. gryn. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 12:55:01 -0800 (PST) From: CHONNI To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Sacred Ground Message-ID: On Tue, 16 Jan 1996, Todd Kungas wrote: > At 16:52 01/15/96 GMT, you wrote: > >At 10:17 AM 1/15/96 GMT, Todd Kungas wrote: > >> Anyone read "Sacred Ground", I finished it a couple of mounts ago, > >>and thought it was very good. > >> It made me wonder were to find info on Spirt Animals. But so far I > >>haven't found much. Anyone have any ideas. > > > > A very good book on Spirit Animals is Animal-Speak, by Ted > >Andrews. It has the meanings if they show up in your dreams, and > >what it means if you identify sttrongly with a certain animal. I > > > > 'Reesa Raennsyr > > > Thanks, I'll take a look. > To All: Any opinions on the book? > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Equine: an484352-+AT+-anon.penet.fi USA I second the recommendation of _Animal-Speak_. It has an exercise for finding one's spirit beast, but it didn't work for me; have you ever tried to picture an oak tree when you've never actually seen one??? and then I kept pychoanaylzing it for meaning, and tended to get all Freudian. Anyways, it had a great deal of information on what each animal is strong in, and goes a little into magic. I also got another book on spirit beasts, but the name escapes me; book-+AT+-home, me-+AT+-school. I suggest you check out any NewAge or Occult bookstores in your area; that's where I found mine. ****************Herald Chonni Brightwolf************************************** Just because some of us can read and write and do a little math does not mean we should conquer the universe. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 13:18:17 -0800 (PST) From: "Patrick S. Waterlander" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Permanant Gates Message-ID: On Wed, 17 Jan 1996, David Ramsden wrote: > Does anyone have any theories on how permanant gates are made? > > > David Ramsden - Avalon-+AT+-post.dungeon.com > ---------------------------------------- > Then I'd rather have hope - than nothing at all. > > - Illyana in X-men Omega > Actually, I have one VERY good theory. I think that the Adepts that have the ability to make permanent gates do this by tying them in to nodes, rather than themselves. All they have to do is give it a little tweak, and it opens. Declan "I am all that I claim to be. I simply have not claimed all that I am." - Lady Kethryveris ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 13:26:40 -0800 (PST) From: CHONNI To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: mules, gating & death... Message-ID: Someone, I think it was Declan, asked if there was a limit to the number of messages and whether or not lots of messages were okay. As far as i'm concerned, there's not really a problem, but for those of us who have limited email, and don't really have the time to read 100-200 messages daily, the *polite* thing to do is to put more things into individual posts; ie., three topics on one post if none of them are very long. I don't think Mel is overly concerned with # of relevant posts, though I've noticed that she has had to remind the list about e-etiquette a heck of a lot more this year than in '94 or early '95. And no, to those of you who are overly sensitive, I'm not singling out anyone in particular, I'm just voicing my opinion very politely, and will now continue our regular broadcasting... Re:mule and dyheli. Whiteraven asked the list what they thought the offspring would be like. My burning question is why would an intelligent creature like a dyheli mate with a mule? RE: lack of population rise. Cindy asked why there was no percievable population rise. My best guess would be is that too many young men dying as soldiers along the borders to do much more than match the present population. Also, when you look at a map of Vanyel's time and then Talia's, you realize that the population has expanded quite a bit. RE: who can Gate? Seanna, Kerry, and others have pretty much shown that a Master CAN create a Gate. If the Master has enough innate energy to form a Gate, then they can. However, I seem to recall in MPromise or MPrice, that when Savil Gated to/near the Vale, not all of the energy was returned to her, and she was thankful she could draw upon nodes to replenish herself. Masters have to rely on their innate energy, or on favors owed them by whatsitplanar spirits like vrondi. The reason human, non-tayledras Masters can't use nodes is that the forces within them are beyound their control, IIRC. (me-+AT+-school, books-+AT+-public library). And on a lighter note... On Thu, 18 Jan 1996, Yfandes The Psychowench wrote: > Oh and more on QO: Mailing Day helpers welcome! :) We need ppl to help > fold newsletters, stuff envelopes, seal, label, and all that fun stuff! > We promise you lots of fun if ya show, (I can provide carpool from the > Lancaster PA area or South Jersey) and they feed us reeeeeeaaallllyyy well. > And weather permitting there's always hottubbing at my place after! > So all you QO-ers out there make plans to join us, and all you who aren't > QO-ers yet....JOIN! *looks pointedly atta David/Van* > Luv, lust, n' poppydust, > Meri :) > Geez, it's really annoying to be in the middle of nowheres and hear about all the goodies that exist on the other side of the continent! ****************Herald Chonni Brightwolf************************************** Just because some of us can read and write and do a little math does not mean we should conquer the universe. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 13:57:08 -0800 (PST) From: "Patrick S. Waterlander" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Larry Dixon's art Message-ID: On Wed, 17 Jan 1996, Rosario Holsen-Baker wrote: > Alright, Misty content. The vrondi got, in exchange for their > services, access to the Haven Heartstone. It's all detailed in the > description of the Web setting-up in MPrice; Savil or Vanyel dangles a > line of mage-energy out and waits for the vrondi. When enough of them get > there, they hold it just out of reach and say, If you do such-and-such, > you get all this tasty mage-energy. I guess that's what the vrondi feed > on, or something. Speculations? > > |--------------------------------<>------------------------------| > | He screams and screams and pounds his head against the wall until | > | wailing phantom firetrucks paces across his vision. | > | PAIN. PAIN IS ALL HE WANTS: We shall never forget and never forgive. | > | AND NEVER EVER FEAR | > |FEAR IS FOR THE ENEMY FEAR AND BULLETS | > |------------------------------------------------------------------------| > > This post is off the subject heading isnt it? But anyways. Sure, the vrondi take the energy that Vanyel gives them, AFTER he creates the heartstone. Before Vanyel created the heartstone, why did the Vrondi come when summoned, hm? Comments? Opinions? Declan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 14:06:06 -0800 From: Stephanie Wukovitz To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk, steph-+AT+-newton.mbi.ucla.edu Subject: re: speaking of historical questions Message-ID: <9601182206.AA22132-+AT+-newton.mbi.ucla.edu> Herald Briana: We *know* Tashir wasn't single! In Magic's Price it's mentioned that his second oldest child is fostered at Forst Reach... Bet he married Vanyel's cute cousin... :-) -Stephanie ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 16:02:18 -0700 (MST) From: mrtmh-+AT+-primenet.com (puppies and dragons) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: WHO WOULD YOU CAST? Message-ID: <199601182302.QAA18282-+AT+-usr3.primenet.com> At 07:28 PM 1/18/96 GMT, STOKES J wrote: >Last month I was at a meeting of Misty fans in Sheffield, It was >decided that Michael Praed [sp?] would be the perfect Vanyel. >Does anyone else have suggestions as to who they would cast >as Van or other characters? > >I see you shiver in antici.....pation > >JASON > > A friend once suggested that the stage-magician David Copperfeild would make a fabulous Van. I watched one of his specials a couple weeks ago, and I have to agree with her. With the wonders of stage makeup, he could even play a convincing "Young Van". I rented a movie that featured him as an actor and he wasn't even half bad! But who would play Yfandes? Pointedly not mentioning the swallows, 'Reesa Raennsyr ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 16:02:17 -0700 (MST) From: mrtmh-+AT+-primenet.com (puppies and dragons) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: on a more civil note ... some questions Message-ID: <199601182302.QAA18270-+AT+-usr3.primenet.com> At 06:50 PM 1/18/96 GMT, STOKES J wrote: >Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 02:23:52 GMT >Reply-to: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk >From: JJASON STOKES -+AT+-MMU.AC.UK >To: >Subject: Re: on a more civil note ... some questions > > > draw "macho" musclebound types or worse those ugly drawing for the gay >market of deformed teenagers with moutasches, steriod abuse and very >strange penile conformations ... > > > Julie Vaux almost back to human - > > sometimes like Opus the Penguin I wish for wings that work! > > >I think that comment about the gay community was VERY UNFAIR >I have a lot of friends in that community none of whom resemble > that [ to my mind] blatent homophobic statement. For someone > who reads books with shaych characters you seem to have a >very narrow tolerance level of shaych people in the real world. > >[ appologies to anyone who thinks I've over reacted] > >Jason > > I agree with you! I was amazed that anyone on this list would say that, and quite frankly, it bugged the hell out of me! I'm not shaych, and I happen to have liked some of Larry Dixon's drawings! And none of my best friends have "limp wrists" or any other shaych streotypes! Have you read any of the Vanyel books lately? I don't remember him being a "deformed teenager with a moustache". Loud-mouthed as usual, 'Reesa Raennsyr ------------------------------ End of MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 328 *********************************