MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 338 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: 1-2-3-4, I declare Mage War by Anne Cross 2) Re: Other races by Becky Anne Christensen 3) Re: One Sided Bonds (was Lifebonds vs. Lovebonds) by EDooley489-+AT+-aol.com 4) Re: Other Races by Jake Adamo <102744.2515-+AT+-compuserve.com> 5) Re. Characters waiting for plots by "K.J.F. Loveman" 6) Re: Re. Characters waiting for plots by Becky Anne Christensen 7) Re:Nodes forming, Other Races by "David J. De Riemacker" <103275.3267-+AT+-compuserve.com> 8) Re: lifebond vs lovebond. by mealink-+AT+-syd.au.swissbank.com (Kerry Mealing) 9) Re: Need a Good Read w/Heroines by mealink-+AT+-syd.au.swissbank.com (Kerry Mealing) 10) Re: Dead? by Rosario Holsen-Baker 11) Re: bleaching, apology & old(?) thread by mealink-+AT+-syd.au.swissbank.com (Kerry Mealing) 12) Re: Cat People? by mealink-+AT+-syd.au.swissbank.com (Kerry Mealing) 13) Re: Cat People? by Korendil 14) Re: Cat People? by Anne Cross 15) Re: Cat People? by mealink-+AT+-syd.au.swissbank.com (Kerry Mealing) 16) Re: Cat People? by Rosario Holsen-Baker 17) Re: Cat People? by mealink-+AT+-syd.au.swissbank.com (Kerry Mealing) 18) Re: Cat People? by mealink-+AT+-syd.au.swissbank.com (Kerry Mealing) 19) Re: Need a Good Read w/Heroines by Catherine Morgan 20) Re: Good reads, good heroines. by mealink-+AT+-syd.au.swissbank.com (Kerry Mealing) 21) Re: Other races by dbackhau-+AT+-isou10.estec.esa.nl 22) Re: The Names Issue by dbackhau-+AT+-isou10.estec.esa.nl 23) Re: Lifebonds vs. Lovebonds by dbackhau-+AT+-isou10.estec.esa.nl 24) Re: Neave by dbackhau-+AT+-isou10.estec.esa.nl 25) Re: Need a Good Read w/Heroines by dbackhau-+AT+-isou10.estec.esa.nl 26) Re: Need a Good Read w/Heroines by mel (Melanie Dymond Harper) 27) Re: Good reads, good heroines by dbackhau-+AT+-isou10.estec.esa.nl 28) Re: Need a Good Read w/Heroines by dbackhau-+AT+-isou10.estec.esa.nl 29) Re: Good Read w/heroines by STOKES J <95662014-+AT+-mmu.ac.uk> 30) Dojos by mel (Melanie Dymond Harper) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 28 Jan 1996 11:15:22 -0500 (EST) From: Anne Cross To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: 1-2-3-4, I declare Mage War Message-ID: :Jaguar, you're out of your ever-loving MIND! What in the great starred skies prompted you to go and get into a fight with the Shadow-Lover? Don't you know that if you kill him, you either have to take up his duties or watch the world degenerate into mass Chaos around you?: Windbraid shakes her head in disgust, and tethers her battle-steed near the stream, then takes up a position in one of the giant *ekele* trees to watch, her Shin'a'in garb a rather odd contrast with the rest of the Tayeledras also sitting there. ____________________________________________________________________________ | Anne Cross | "How many witches does it take | | juniper-+AT+-fledge.watson.org | to change a lightbulb?" | | http://www.watson.org/~juniper/ | "What do you want to change it into?" | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Jan 1996 09:13:40 -0800 (PST) From: Becky Anne Christensen To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Other races Message-ID: On Sun, 28 Jan 1996, Jake Adamo wrote: > > Becky Anne wrote: > > > I don't know if a non-human Herald would be possible. How could a > >Dyheli ride a Companion? > > Very carefully. > > Seriously, what's to stop a Companion from choosing a hertasi or another > humanoid? A hertasi should be able to ride one. Companions are in horse form > because (I think I read this somewhere) that's the best/most useful form to work > with humans. That should work with humanoid-type nonhumans.... > > > ______ __ __ _______ ________ _______ __ > / ____ \ / / / / / ___ / / ____ / /__ __/ / / > / /___/ / \ \_/ / / / / / / /___/ / / / / /_____ > / ____ < _\_ / / / / / / ____ / / / / ____ / > /__/ /_/ /____/ /_/ /_/ /_/ / / /_/ /_/ /_/ > I still don't think it would work, because the general population would have a hard time accepting the fact that something that lookes like a lizard is an intelligent thinking being. Heralds have to dispense justice, and work with people, and lets face it, when it comes to non-humans that are as smart or smarter than they are, they don't have a clue. Once Valdemar has some more non-humans, and people get to know about them, then it might work. (:*BECKY*:) +--------------------+ |BLACK KNIGHT | | I'm invincible! | |KING ARTHUR | | You're a looney.| +--------------------+ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Jan 1996 13:29:34 -0500 From: EDooley489-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: One Sided Bonds (was Lifebonds vs. Lovebonds) Message-ID: <960128132932_408575238-+AT+-mail04.mail.aol.com> Hey, I just wanted to add my two cents to the talk about bonds. Isn't the word bond implying that its two things being put together or made into one? It seems like you couldn't have some thing one sided if we want to use the word bond or bonding. Of course one person can love another and not have the other person feel the same. But thats different. I also wanted to put my vote in for lifebond; then the uncertainty of things is taken away a bit. You have someone that is going to be with you through your lives. Wouldn't the certainty of having a partner staying around be worth some of the misery that can accompany it? Anyway thats my two cents on the matter. Opinions?:) Eric ------------------------------ Date: 28 Jan 96 17:50:55 EST From: Jake Adamo <102744.2515-+AT+-compuserve.com> To: M-L mailing list Subject: Re: Other Races Message-ID: <960128225055_102744.2515_GHT135-1-+AT+-CompuServe.COM> Aquila wrote: >But since official >Herald personas can only be human, Misty must have a good reason. I hope >she'll let it be known to us! ?? I don't remember seeing anywhere that only humans can become heralds. Zhai'ha'allav'a! ______ __ __ _______ ________ _______ __ / ____ \ / / / / / ___ / / ____ / /__ __/ / / / /___/ / \ \_/ / / / / / / /___/ / / / / /_____ / ____ < _\ / / / / / / ____ / / / / ____ / /__/ /_/ /____/ /_/ /_/ /_/ / / /_/ /_/ /_/ 102744.2515-+AT+-compuserve.com "Dear gods, it's a conspiracy of fools!" Jake in real life - Vanyel from _Magic's Price_ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Jan 1996 22:54:06 +0000 (GMT) From: "K.J.F. Loveman" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re. Characters waiting for plots Message-ID: What about poor old Neave? -- he seems to have been moping for at least two and a bit trilogies and that has to be a pretty good indication of a lifebond on the horizon. Kate ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Jan 1996 15:41:17 -0800 (PST) From: Becky Anne Christensen To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Re. Characters waiting for plots Message-ID: On Sun, 28 Jan 1996, K.J.F. Loveman wrote: > > What about poor old Neave? -- he seems to have been moping for at least > two and a bit trilogies and that has to be a pretty good indication of a > lifebond on the horizon. > Kate Okay, I should know who Neave is, but I can't remember who. Which book(s) is he in? The name sounds really familiar, someone please refresh my memory. (:*BECKY*:) +--------------------+ |BLACK KNIGHT | | I'm invincible! | |KING ARTHUR | | You're a looney.| +--------------------+ ------------------------------ Date: 28 Jan 96 18:47:55 EST From: "David J. De Riemacker" <103275.3267-+AT+-compuserve.com> To: "INTERNET:mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk" Subject: Re:Nodes forming, Other Races Message-ID: <960128234755_103275.3267_IHH58-2-+AT+-CompuServe.COM> Rynaty wrote: > What would be *really* cool, I think, would be a non-human Herald... IIRC that's > not mentioned in the books. Then, BECKY wrote: >I don't know if a non-human Herald would be possible. How could a >Dyheli ride a Companion? Actually, I could see a dyheli Herald. It could keep up with it's Companion on foot, perhaps. Same for kyree and gryphon. I can see a hertasi riding a small Companion. If there were going to be a hertasi Herald, a small Companion would probably just be born at the right time. I think a tevardi could ride easily. IIRC, they are quite humanoid. Not to burst anyone's bubble, but aren't Heralds supposed to be human only? I don't know why I think that, but I do. In Winds of Fury, someone describes how nodes are formed. All life gives off magic energy, and this energy trickles into the land to form ley lines, and the ley lines flow to the nodes. From the nodes, it flows into the other planes. I think something may have also been said about where it came from, too. I wonder what magical topography the energy follows. What consitutes the "mountain" or "valley" that deflects the course of the ley lines to the "ocean" of the node? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 96 12:45:42 EST From: mealink-+AT+-syd.au.swissbank.com (Kerry Mealing) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: lifebond vs lovebond. Message-ID: <9601290145.AA08238-+AT+-syd.au.swissbank.com> Herald Chonni Brightwolf wrote: > And a general poll: WHICH WOULD RATHER HAVE, A LIFEBOND, OR A LOVEBOND???? Just to add my 2c to the growing poll, I'd rather have a lovebond, for the simple reason that I tend to have a, err, forceful (yes, that's it, forceful) personality and to be lifebonded to someone with a weaker personality wouldn't be fun. It's bad enough in 'normal' relationships where one has to be careful not to come on too strong without the worry that you might be being overbearing on a level completely beyond your control. Plus, lifebonds can be one-sided, with one partner heavily dependant on another and while I would have no qualms about supporting a partner to that extent, sometimes one can get very weary of always being the 'strong one'. On the other hand, a love-bond between life-bonded *partners* (where partner means each person is strong enough to stand at each other's back when the chips are down) would be pretty darn neat. IMO. And the safety net of knowing that you're loved no-matter-what, could be very healing to your own self-image. Hmmm.. enough rambling and bearing of souls. :) Cheers, Kerry. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 96 12:55:11 EST From: mealink-+AT+-syd.au.swissbank.com (Kerry Mealing) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Need a Good Read w/Heroines Message-ID: <9601290155.AA08459-+AT+-syd.au.swissbank.com> Herald Chonni wrote: > The worst, and conincidentally the last, historical romance (not > including Georgette Heyer) i read had the male lead saying "Oh baby, > yeah...oh baby..." and "That's it babe..." > oh so historically accurate! Glad to see someone else doesn't mind the old Georgette Heyer.. As a matter of curiosity, does anyone actually read historical romances for the 'historical' part? I sure don't.. (but then, I nearly split my sides laughing over Georgette Heyer's _The Grand Sophy_).. > ****************Herald Chonni Brightwolf**************************************> Just because some of us can read and write and do a little math > does not mean we should conquer the universe. Just that we probably will... :) Who was it said that stupidity is the only capital crime, self-punishing? (Heinlein, Lazarus Long?) Cheers, Kerry. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Jan 1996 20:59:03 -0500 (EST) From: Rosario Holsen-Baker To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Dead? Message-ID: On Sat, 27 Jan 1996, Gyrfalcon wrote: > Hello... Hello? You have my Pills! Since when did you take pills? You're still insane, aren't you? Or are they just to keep you from killing something. > Alright who killed the list? Mel? Mat? Jaguar? Declan? Fess up, or > I'll send out the MIW! Do and there will be blood all over the next few digests. And you forgot a name in that list. Shadow-Lover's the keeper of the dead, go talk to him. :) > > BWTMIW! BWTCP and BWTLIG!!! |--------------------------------<>------------------------------| | He screams and screams and pounds his head against the wall until | | wailing phantom firetrucks paces across his vision. | | PAIN. PAIN IS ALL HE WANTS: We shall never forget and never forgive. | | AND NEVER EVER FEAR | |FEAR IS FOR THE ENEMY FEAR AND BULLETS | |-----------------------http://www.sidwell.edu/~rholsen------------------| ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 96 12:57:26 EST From: mealink-+AT+-syd.au.swissbank.com (Kerry Mealing) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: bleaching, apology & old(?) thread Message-ID: <9601290157.AA08504-+AT+-syd.au.swissbank.com> Seanna wrote: > Chonni wrote: > > > And I can't remember if i posted this before, so bear with me.... > > LOVEBONDS VS. LIFEBONDS.... > > > > And a general poll: WHICH WOULD RATHER HAVE, A LIFEBOND, OR A LOVEBOND???? > > Just a thought: how many people would choose to have a Symb, as in > Varley's "Equinoctial"? Anyone? Haven't read it.. Care to expand on the concept for similar reprobates? I gather Symb stands for symbiote, which at least sounds interesting in that it's a partnership.. though slightly offputting in that most hosts don't have a choice as to whether they acquire a symbiote. Perhaps I'm reading too much into 4 letters. :) Cheers, Kerry. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 96 14:05:43 EST From: mealink-+AT+-syd.au.swissbank.com (Kerry Mealing) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Cat People? Message-ID: <9601290305.AA08914-+AT+-syd.au.swissbank.com> Just a minor picky point that struck me.. Isn't "Cat People" almost an oxymoron? Whatever happened to "I am the Cat walks alone" etc? (though I haven't seen Kipling quoted yet on the list so perhaps he's not quite de rigeur). ObMisty: Anyone noticed how we haven't seen an intelligent race based on Cats yet? (I exclude Firecats because they're not a normal race as such and may not even breed.) We've seen the Equine genus, the deer (scientific name anyone?), lupines (Kyree) and avians (Tervadi) as well as a few others, but no feline genus per se. (Hey, how about that, not only an ObMisty, but related to my main topic too - does that count for extra points?) :) Cheers, Kerry. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Jan 1996 22:04:29 -0600 From: Korendil To: "Misty List" Subject: Re: Cat People? Message-ID: <199601290404.WAA25976-+AT+-ns.cent.com> >We've seen the Equine genus, Either my memory is going early, or you're mistaken... I'm going to assume you meant Companions. But if you except THEM you have to except Firecats, since they're technically the same thing in different bodies. that is, IIRC. Nya Nya! ;P ************ As I find I have no ASCII skill, I'm gonna do a hypercube instead... Till then: Korendil -+AT+- undermac ; rubin-+AT+-cent.com ***************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Jan 1996 23:23:30 -0500 (EST) From: Anne Cross To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Cat People? Message-ID: On Mon, 29 Jan 1996, Kerry Mealing wrote: > ObMisty: Anyone noticed how we haven't seen an intelligent race based > on Cats yet? (I exclude Firecats because they're not a normal race as such > and may not even breed.) We've seen the Equine genus, the deer (scientific > name anyone?), lupines (Kyree) and avians (Tervadi) as well as a few others, > but no feline genus per se. Nyara. Falconsbane. :) Changechildren -- and the Gryphons are half-cat. ____________________________________________________________________________ | Anne Cross | "How many witches does it take | | juniper-+AT+-fledge.watson.org | to change a lightbulb?" | | http://www.watson.org/~juniper/ | "What do you want to change it into?" | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 96 15:28:34 EST From: mealink-+AT+-syd.au.swissbank.com (Kerry Mealing) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Cat People? Message-ID: <9601290428.AA10023-+AT+-syd.au.swissbank.com> Korendil wrote: > Kerry wrote: > >We've seen the Equine genus, > Either my memory is going early, or you're mistaken... > > I'm going to assume you meant Companions. But if you except THEM you have > to except Firecats, since they're technically the same thing in different > bodies. that is, IIRC. I just knew someone was going to pick on that but I was too lazy to clarify it to save myself. I included the Companions because IMO, they are a race - they can and do breed successfully. I excluded the Firecats because there was no evidence that they breed (in that they all seem to be the equivalent of grove-borns). > Nya Nya! ;P So there. ;P Of course soapbox aside, I'm not really attached to this opinion, I was just groping for examples in my original post. :) Cheers, Kerry. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Jan 1996 23:35:45 -0500 (EST) From: Rosario Holsen-Baker To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Cat People? Message-ID: On Mon, 29 Jan 1996, Kerry Mealing wrote: > Isn't "Cat People" almost an oxymoron? Cat People is taken from the (rather odd) movie by that name. I'm not even going to attempt to give a plot sypnosis over e-mail. Go and rent it for yourself; I recommend the Malcolm McDowell later version. > Whatever happened to "I am the Cat walks alone" etc? (though I haven't seen > Kipling quoted yet on the list so perhaps he's not quite de rigeur). That's in NoxCat's .sig IIRC. > ObMisty: Anyone noticed how we haven't seen an intelligent race based > on Cats yet? (I exclude Firecats because they're not a normal race as such > and may not even breed.) We've seen the Equine genus, the deer (scientific > name anyone?), lupines (Kyree) and avians (Tervadi) as well as a few others, > but no feline genus per se. > (Hey, how about that, not only an ObMisty, but related to my main topic too > - does that count for extra points?) :) IIRC, kyree are more a feline-lupine mix...really odd. I remember reading that somewhere in V&H. |--------------------------------<>------------------------------| | He screams and screams and pounds his head against the wall until | | wailing phantom firetrucks paces across his vision. | | PAIN. PAIN IS ALL HE WANTS: We shall never forget and never forgive. | | AND NEVER EVER FEAR | |FEAR IS FOR THE ENEMY FEAR AND BULLETS | |-----------------------http://www.sidwell.edu/~rholsen------------------| ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 96 16:11:30 EST From: mealink-+AT+-syd.au.swissbank.com (Kerry Mealing) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Cat People? Message-ID: <9601290511.AA10728-+AT+-syd.au.swissbank.com> Anne Cross wrote: > On Mon, 29 Jan 1996, Kerry Mealing wrote: > > > ObMisty: Anyone noticed how we haven't seen an intelligent race based > > on Cats yet? (I exclude Firecats because they're not a normal race as such > > and may not even breed.) We've seen the Equine genus, the deer (scientific > > name anyone?), lupines (Kyree) and avians (Tervadi) as well as a few others, > > but no feline genus per se. > > Nyara. Falconsbane. :) Changechildren -- and the Gryphons are half-cat. Good points, but while I don't want to go down to the death defending a comment I threw out without thinking about it, here're some counter points. :) Nyara & Falconsbane don't constitute a race as such, partly because of a lack of numbers and partly because I'm not sure either of their changes would breed true. (Yes, I know Nyara's mage-gift is supposed to breed true but that doesn't say anything about her physical body. Secondly, to forestall argument, Nyara herself did *not* breed true from Falconsbane. F made the changes to her and himself after she was born.) The gryphons are a good point, they flitted across my mind but really I think of them as avians rather than felines. Their behaviour tends to support that view but on the other hand they don't lay eggs. (I think.. or do they? I can't remember anything either way now, I just had the impression that they had live births). Anyway, point is, there're still no races derived primaily from the feline genus. At any rate I'm going to yield the argument now (though I'm still interested in the gryphons side-track above) because I can't see much point to it anyway. :) (Plus the fact that I think I'll lose rapidly) ;) Cheers, Kerry. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 96 16:17:37 EST From: mealink-+AT+-syd.au.swissbank.com (Kerry Mealing) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Cat People? Message-ID: <9601290517.AA10814-+AT+-syd.au.swissbank.com> Jaguar wrote: > IIRC, kyree are more a feline-lupine mix...really odd. I remember > reading that somewhere in V&H. Damn. You're right. I remember Warrl couldn't maintain speed over long distances as a proper lupine can (Ref - when Tarma & Keth are hurrying to catch the king they deposed, Warrl can't keep up.). And Anne just politely pointed me in the right direction too on a few more points. I'm going to go tuck my head under my wing and sulk. :) Yes, I'm bird & dog people, my cockatoo (Galah / Rose breasted cockatoo) would never forgive me if I had dealings with a cat.) Cheers, Kerry. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 96 00:53:43 EST From: Catherine Morgan To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Need a Good Read w/Heroines Message-ID: <9601290556.AA05915-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk> The Paks books are by Elizabeth Moon. Also, the Darkover books have some good heroines (by MZB). ( Sorry, if I stated the obvious. Just picking up the thread). Cat. Catherine Buck Morgan College of Library & Information Science, USC CMORGAN-+AT+-UNIVSCVM.CSD.SC.EDU Voice Mail (803) 951-9559 Sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. --Arthur C. Clarke ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 96 17:10:48 EST From: mealink-+AT+-syd.au.swissbank.com (Kerry Mealing) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Good reads, good heroines. Message-ID: <9601290610.AA12176-+AT+-syd.au.swissbank.com> Lyn wrote: > On the subject of good reads with good heroines, I have a slightly > alternative suggestion. Please, don't anyone out there fry me (I > HAVE been watching Jaguar and Shadow-lover) but I would like to > suggest David Edding's Belgariad, with its heroine, Polgara. > > Polgara is my favorite woman in all of Fantasy, including Misty. > (Heresy, I know. :) She's got attitude, and she's a woman of steel. Yes, Polgara is pretty impressive. :) From Lyns sig: > My getting upset is not the end of the world. I do it every so > often, and I've survived every single time, as did any people or > structures in the immediate vicinity. -Me What an astonishing thing. :) :) For some reason this struck me as extremely funny - A lady who likes Polgara a lot saying that buildings survive her getting upset.. :) (For the un-eddings people, you don't want Polgara to get upset around breakable things - china, furniture, buildings, cities, that type of thing..) :) Cheers, Kerry. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 96 10:40:04 +0100 From: dbackhau-+AT+-isou10.estec.esa.nl To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Other races Message-ID: <9601290940.AA19609-+AT+-isou10.estec.esa.nl> Rynath wrote: > Companions are in horse form because (I think I read this somewhere) that's >the best/most useful form to work with humans. Another example of the failure of Velgarth to develop. Horses were the most common form of transport when the Baron got the first companion, - but look at the developed world now - it ain't horses we use, it's motorcars. So, .... whaddya fancy, a white, sentient Lotus Elan, or maybe a Porshe, or a Ferrari - or howsabout a deux-cheveux??! I mean progress is progress! I suppose motorcyles would be a good compromise between horse and car - the leathers would be appropriate, and can't you just see Van kicking out the side stand of his all white Harley, slowly dismounting, pulling of his white, mirror visored helmet and shaking out that hair - good grief, this is Monday morning for heavens sake, think calm, think calm, think - then he'd turn those silver eyes your way - nonononono stop this, pull yourself together EE. OK I am calm, I kinda like that image tho' - think I'll tuck it away for further development! Tot ziens Esmeralda Evensbane ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 96 10:47:53 +0100 From: dbackhau-+AT+-isou10.estec.esa.nl To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: The Names Issue Message-ID: <9601290947.AA19617-+AT+-isou10.estec.esa.nl> Korendil wrote: >Awhiles ago we debated the 'correct' way to pronounce Vanyel's name. With >my buying the BTS CD, the situation ahs worsened... >seem that >A: Kyree is pronounced kye-ree. the first being like rye w/ a k >B: Shin'a'in is pronounced Shin-ay-in. ay being a long i >C: Kero is Keer-o What as in "Keer-o the hero"? Nonono, she's definitely a Keh-ro, as in kerosene. They probably needed a rhyme and couldn't find one for Keh-ro. >What's next? V'kandis as Vee-can-dis?;> Well how else can you say it then - I put the emphasis on Vee-CAN-dis - but, as you say, this is >probably NOT a pressing issue, Tot ziens, Esmeralda Evensbane ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 96 11:13:03 +0100 From: dbackhau-+AT+-isou10.estec.esa.nl To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Lifebonds vs. Lovebonds Message-ID: <9601291013.AA19634-+AT+-isou10.estec.esa.nl> Eris wrote: > I also wanted to put my vote in for lifebond; then the uncertainty of >things is taken away a bit. You have someone that is going to be with you >through your lives. Wouldn't the certainty of having a partner staying >around be worth some of the misery that can accompany it? Whoof! Hang on there a minute. There's more to life that coupledom. Being miserable with someone is not necessarily better than being miserable on your own. There's been some suggestion that lifebonded may not have to particularly like each other - they are compelled to be together. All the life bonded souls in ML's books seem pretty happy once they've sorted themselves out - Donni and Mardi, Dirk and Talia, Ylsa and Keren, whatsit and thingummy - y'know, eeerm, Sharvi and uummmmm, eeeerrrmm Randale (Gods what a brain, functioning like this on a Monday morning!), and - well who else, Jisa and whoeverheis, Van and 'Lendel/Stef, Moondance (beam??) and thingy. My point is that what these pairs all seemed to have was a strong, committed, caring partnership - just what a decent lovebond should give you, they worked at being together, it weren't no ethereal bond keeping them together, they were going to grow old together because they couldn't think of a better option. They'd sorted themselves out. I think ML revised her thinking on this as the books developed - there was no mention of the down side of lifebonds in Arrows or LHM - just contented pairs of people, sharing life. Isn't that what marriage is meant to be about? The public statement of committment. It's why I married my fella after living with him for 10 years. Tot ziens, Esmeralda Evensbane ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 96 11:26:21 +0100 From: dbackhau-+AT+-isou10.estec.esa.nl To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Neave Message-ID: <9601291026.AA19660-+AT+-isou10.estec.esa.nl> Becky wrote: > Okay, I should know who Neave is, but I can't remember >who. Which book(s) is he in? The name sounds really familiar, >someone please refresh my memory. I bet someone else gets in before me, but, what the heck. He was a student around the time Talia was - not her year tho'. When they realised that Talia was an empath, they had her drop her shields, and Neave projected an emotionally traumatic scene at her, which she got totally caught up in. He'd been a little, on his own in a city, and been abused by the others around him. (the first Arrows book) He then has the dubious distinction of being one of the few people Eslpeth has carnal knowledge of - I didn't say slept with, because he is apparently unable to actually sleep with anyone he's so scarred by his experiences. (the first Winds book I think). I don't think he crops up apart from that, but if anyone needed a companion with mind healing, it was him. Seems to me he was still suffering, and in need of help some time after being chosen. Kate reckoned he deserved a lifebond - I'm not sure if he'd cope with one, but he'd certainly make a good book! Tot ziens, Esmerald Evensbane ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 96 11:44:38 +0100 From: dbackhau-+AT+-isou10.estec.esa.nl To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Need a Good Read w/Heroines Message-ID: <9601291044.AA19685-+AT+-isou10.estec.esa.nl> Kerry wrote: > Glad to see someone else doesn't mind the old Georgette Heyer.. >As a matter of curiosity, does anyone actually read historical romances >for the 'historical' part? I sure don't.. (but then, I nearly split my >sides laughing over Georgette Heyer's _The Grand Sophy_).. Dunno, but the book on my bedside as I write is her These Old Shades - which I love. A definite multi-read book. I believe her historical fact was very carefully researched, and soundly based in fact. It's possible that, like fantasy, books set in the past are removed from ordinary life, you can suspend reality (and intelligence for the average "historical romance") and escape. I'm just amazed at the large number of handsome, titled, incredible wealthy, thirtysomething, unmarried men there were in "olden days" just waiting to meet their spirited, younger (of course), intelligent, humourous, independent eye-catching nemesis. Who's going to write the book where the older woman gets her man - even ML is guilty - her hetero pairs are all taller, older man/smaller, younger woman. Wait up - The Magic of Recluse, by Modestri Jr.(or something like that) - it happens there - she's 10 or so years older, and gets her boy! (It's also not a bad book - read it recently and enjoyed it). Sorry about the lack of Misty content - there is a bit tho'! Tot ziens, Esmeralda Evensbane ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 10:52:29 GMT From: mel (Melanie Dymond Harper) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Need a Good Read w/Heroines Message-ID: <9601291052.AA12199-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk> Birgit said: > "Talking" about heroines: I love/d the books by Elizabeth A. Lynn > (Arun-trilogy: Northern girl etc; Sardonyx Net et.al). Unfortunately that > was back in the 80s; does anybody know what she is doing lately or if she > has published any books recently? Apparently (from recent postings to rec.arts.sf.written) she's given up writing for the moment to concentrate on running her dojo (in San Francisco or LA, if I remember right). Damn shame... Mel. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 96 12:00:09 +0100 From: dbackhau-+AT+-isou10.estec.esa.nl To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Good reads, good heroines Message-ID: <9601291100.AA19714-+AT+-isou10.estec.esa.nl> Lyn wrote: > On the subject of good reads with good heroines, I have a slightly > alternative suggestion. Please, don't anyone out there fry me (I > HAVE been watching Jaguar and Shadow-lover) but I would like to > suggest David Edding's Belgariad, with its heroine, Polgara. > > Polgara is my favorite woman in all of Fantasy, including Misty. > (Heresy, I know. :) She's got attitude, and she's a woman of steel. Yes, but why oh why does she always get to do the cooking, and the mending. Humming over her pots or something - however I'll concede, she's a good character. The men in those books tho - sheesh, Mr Eddings has some interesting attitudes on relationships - all those wiley women trapping men, then turning them into mindless morons, presumably through sex - check it out - Relg and Tabia, Garion and CeNedra, Mandorallan and whossername, Belgareth and thingy, Silk and whatsit, Lellodorin or whatever he's called and his babe, even Pol and Durnick - all the men become bemused shadows of their manly selves, while the women sit around with smug smiles on their faces. Notice how my phenomenal ability to recall names has not let me down yet?! Heigh ho, I hate Mondays - all those mails to read and answer, and then there's work. Work?? What now??? Nah, it's nearly lunchtime, I'll start after!! tot ziens, Esmeralda Evensbane ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 96 13:23:03 +0100 From: dbackhau-+AT+-isou10.estec.esa.nl To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Need a Good Read w/Heroines Message-ID: <9601291223.AA19856-+AT+-isou10.estec.esa.nl> Mel wrote: >Apparently (from recent postings to rec.arts.sf.written) she's given up >writing for the moment to concentrate on running her dojo (in San Francisco >or LA, if I remember right). Damn shame... OK, OK, you got me. I'll ask the question. What's a dojo? Esmeralda ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 13:45:41 GMT From: STOKES J <95662014-+AT+-mmu.ac.uk> To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Good Read w/heroines Message-ID: <198874122A6-+AT+-EXCALIBUR.MMU.AC.UK> Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 14:21:25 GMT Reply-to: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk From: "K.J.F. Loveman" To: 95662014-+AT+-mmu.ac.uk Subject: Good Read w/heroines If you want a good read with heroines (and plenty of 'em) try Midori Snyder's 'Queen's Quarter' trilogy (New Moon, Sadar's Keep, Beldan's Fire). Like Lackey they feature gifts, magical creatures and street-urchin types but they've got a lot more grit -- people die and stay dead. They're also extremely well written; edge of your seat stuff all the way through. If you've got anarchistic tendencies try Spedding's 'The Road and the Hills'-- long but worth it. Kate Do you know where I can get the first book of the trilogy. I have the second and third but could not get hold of the first even when I was in the States. I see you shiver in antici....pation Jason ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 13:50:53 GMT From: mel (Melanie Dymond Harper) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Dojos Message-ID: <9601291350.AA00424-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk> Esmeralda asked: > OK, OK, you got me. I'll ask the question. What's a dojo? In general, it's a place where martial arts are taught. I don't know what specific martial art Elizabeth Lynn teaches, mind you. If you want to see what one looks like, either go and watch "Karate Kid 2", or picture a room with a wooden floor, ideally slightly sprung. That said, you'll probably find that most dojos double as, say, gyms or badminton courts for most of their lives -- the place where I learned karate certainly did. The closest Valdemaran equivalent (to do my bit to bring this back on topic) would be the weapons salle, I think. The major differentiating factor between a dojo and a boring old badminton court is that one could probably be disrespectful to one's Sensei (teacher) if one was playing badminton against them, but you'd better not try it within the dojo ... Cheers Mel. ------------------------------ End of MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 338 *********************************