MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 339 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) This n' that ... by "Winterwind" 2) Re: Need a Good Read w/Heroines by Mat Timmerman 3) Re: Need a Good Read w/Heroines by Mat Timmerman 4) Re: Need a Good Read w/Heroines by Mat Timmerman 5) Re: 1-2-3-4, I declare Mage War by Tammy Harris 6) Re: 1-2-3-4, I declare Mage War by Rosario Holsen-Baker 7) Tanya Huff (was: Re: Need a Good Read w/Heroines by Rosario Holsen-Baker 8) Re: The Names Issue by STOKES J <95662014-+AT+-mmu.ac.uk> 9) Re: Lifebonds vs. Lovebonds by STOKES J <95662014-+AT+-mmu.ac.uk> 10) Good read w/heroines by "K.J.F. Loveman" 11) Re: Kethry in Rethwellan by "Patrick S. Waterlander" 12) Re: Need a Good Read w/Heroines by Stormcloud 13) by Starlight-+AT+-eden.rutgers.edu 14) catching up.... by EGLESTON-+AT+-bpl.org 15) re: lifebonds vs. lovebonds by EGLESTON-+AT+-bpl.org 16) Re: re- ROCKY by McCaffrey's White Dragon 17) Re: Other races by McCaffrey's White Dragon 18) Re: Re lovebond vs lifebond by "Patrick S. Waterlander" 19) Re: Cat People? by McCaffrey's White Dragon 20) Re: Dead? by "Patrick S. Waterlander" 21) Re: The Names Issue by "Patrick S. Waterlander" 22) Lovebonds vs. Lifebonds by mrtmh-+AT+-primenet.com (puppies and dragons) 23) A Late Apology by mrtmh-+AT+-primenet.com (puppies and dragons) 24) Re: Tanya Huff (was: Re: Need a Good Read w/Heroines by Mat Timmerman 25) Re: Cat People? by Mary Temple 26) Re: Non-human heralds by Stormcloud 27) Re: Neave by Stormcloud ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 09:12:30 EDT From: "Winterwind" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: This n' that ... Message-ID: <9C1595A28D3-+AT+-pub.sbu.edu> I'mmmm baacckkkk!!! Yes, after one full year I've finally managed to get my account working again. What? Nobody remembers me? (sniff) I'm not surprised. Anyway, to jump right in with my two cents... To whomever's looking for books with good heroines, I'd recomend the "Dragon Prince" and "Dragon Star" trilogies by Melanie Rawn. You don't find much stronger personalities than Sioned ... or Andrade, or Sionell, or Chayla ... More idle thoughts ... I'd like to see a book or two on the story of Sunsinger and Shadowdancer. And more on Need's time. And Iftel. Was anyone else surprised when in "Storm Rising", it turned out that .... uh, oh, spoiler ... S P O I L E R * * * * * * That enough room? ... that An'desha and Firesong didn't have a lifebond? Not that I'm particularily upset. It was nice to see a romance that didn't turn out "fated" to be ... though those are nice, too. Oh, jeez, I've gotta get to class in 3 minutes... Winter (who is really Jill, but has decided that that is the perfect alias considering where she's from, right Lyn?) ********************************************************************** -------------------Jill M. Morrison - morrisjm-+AT+-sbu.edu---------------- ----Journalism major/English minor at St. Bonaventure University------ ---------in Allegany, N.Y. - the snow capital of the world!----------- ********************************************************************** "There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt -----of in your philosophy." - "Hamlet," Act 1.5, lines 175-176.----- ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 10:14:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Mat Timmerman To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Need a Good Read w/Heroines Message-ID: <01I0KUO4O6T4QRWXGP-+AT+-vaxc.hofstra.edu> From: jc-+AT+-crosfield.co.uk (Jerry Cullingford) > >Sarah writes: >> I am looking for some books similiar to M. Lackeys with female heroines, = >> like in the Vows and Honor books. There doesn't have to be spirit horses = >> or such, just a good fantasy/sci-fi book with a girl/woman as the lead = >> character. > >Try Elizabeth Moon's _Deed of Paksennarion_ trilogy: >_Sheepfarmers Daughter_, _???_, _Oath of Gold_ (can't remember the middle one) ^^^^^^ The second book is _Divided Allegiance_(sp?). Mat accmjt-+AT+-hofstra.edu "They want to stop the ones who want mtimmerman1-+AT+-hofstra.edu prosthetic foreheads on their heads. But mtimme47-+AT+-ada.hofstra.edu everybody wants prosthetic foreheads on mtimme47-+AT+-magic.hofstra.edu their real heads." -- They Might Be Giants http://ada.hofstra.edu/~mtimme47/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 10:20:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Mat Timmerman To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Need a Good Read w/Heroines Message-ID: <01I0KUS53Y66QRWXGP-+AT+-vaxc.hofstra.edu> From: dbackhau-+AT+-isou10.estec.esa.nl Sarah she say: > >>I have seen Tanya Huff at the stores and Gael(sp?) Baudino.... any good? > >I like them - Sing the Four Quarters and The Fifth Quarter have heroines >and are a reasonable read. The Fire's Stone has principally two (gay) >heroes, but also a heroine and it's also a good read. Haven't read any >of her other stuff. The Baudino books ahve been much recommended on this list >lately. Her Victory Nelson books are _very_ good. They are: _Blood Price_, _Blood Trails_, _Blood Lines_, and _Blood Pact_ (haven't read the last one yet--no time!). They are remeniscent of Misty's Di Tregarde books, but I have to say, I like the Nelson books better. Mat accmjt-+AT+-vaxc.hofstra.edu http://ada.hofstra.edu/~mtimme47/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 10:27:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Mat Timmerman To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Need a Good Read w/Heroines Message-ID: <01I0KUYD0T4KQRWXGP-+AT+-vaxc.hofstra.edu> From: Marissa K Lingen > >Well, I very much like Tanya Huff's Victory Nelson series (the ones >with Blood in the first word of the title), and I've heard her other >ones are worth it. There are also good strong women (in fact, a >matriarchial system) without being heavy-handed in Melanie Rawn's new >_Exiles: The Ruins of Ambrai_. Anyone else? The Nelson series is great. _The Ruins of Ambrai_ actually is a little heavy handed about the female supremacy. Men are treated how women used to be in the RL at its worst. You know, no owning property, totally controlled by the First Daughter (matriarch), etc. It's still pretty good though. Mat accmjt-+AT+-vaxc.hofstra.edu http://ada.hofstra.edu/~mtimme47/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 09:23:28 -0500 From: Tammy Harris To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: 1-2-3-4, I declare Mage War Message-ID: <5DCB921070-+AT+-medicine.dmed.iupui.edu> > > :Just remember, if you fight... Magic works differently here on the Astral, > > and this is my home... In your own words.. "Let's Play": > > *Jaguar stands back, smiling kindly, and waits for Shadow-Lover > to make his move.* > The Ladies in Green arrive silently, to act as witnesses (and to avenge the Lady Jaguar, if it should come to that!). --Tammy "It's time to ask yourself what you believe" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 10:55:21 -0500 (EST) From: Rosario Holsen-Baker To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: 1-2-3-4, I declare Mage War Message-ID: > :Jaguar, you're out of your ever-loving MIND! What in the great > starred skies prompted you to go and get into a fight with the > Shadow-Lover? Don't you know that if you kill him, you either have to > take up his duties or watch the world degenerate into mass Chaos around you?: > :Who said I was going to kill him? I'm just going to rough him up a little. Besides, it seems he'd rather talk than fight.: *Jaguar smiles, a feral grin, waiting for Shadow-Lover to make a move.* |--------------------------------<>------------------------------| | He screams and screams and pounds his head against the wall until | | wailing phantom firetrucks paces across his vision. | | PAIN. PAIN IS ALL HE WANTS: We shall never forget and never forgive. | | AND NEVER EVER FEAR | |FEAR IS FOR THE ENEMY FEAR AND BULLETS | |-----------------------http://www.sidwell.edu/~rholsen------------------| ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 11:05:37 -0500 (EST) From: Rosario Holsen-Baker To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Tanya Huff (was: Re: Need a Good Read w/Heroines Message-ID: On Mon, 29 Jan 1996, Mat Timmerman wrote: > Her Victory Nelson books are _very_ good. They are: _Blood Price_, > _Blood Trails_, _Blood Lines_, and _Blood Pact_ (haven't read the last > one yet--no time!). They are remeniscent of Misty's Di Tregarde books, > but I have to say, I like the Nelson books better. > Remeniscent, nothing! A paranormal PI with a vampire-lover and a human complication? Even the romance writing is the same, 'cept it's the vampire who cranks out the bodice-rippers. :) 'Scuse me, I've got to go poung Shadow-Lover into astral dust. >:) |--------------------------------<>------------------------------| | He screams and screams and pounds his head against the wall until | | wailing phantom firetrucks paces across his vision. | | PAIN. PAIN IS ALL HE WANTS: We shall never forget and never forgive. | | AND NEVER EVER FEAR | |FEAR IS FOR THE ENEMY FEAR AND BULLETS | |-----------------------http://www.sidwell.edu/~rholsen------------------| ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 16:13:05 GMT From: STOKES J <95662014-+AT+-mmu.ac.uk> To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: The Names Issue Message-ID: <19AFC9E5915-+AT+-EXCALIBUR.MMU.AC.UK> Date: Sun, 28 Jan 1996 06:12:32 GMT Reply-to: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk From: Korendil To: 95662014-+AT+-mmu.ac.uk Subject: The Names Issue Sun 28th Korendil wrote "Awhiles ago we debated the 'correct' way to pronounce Vanyel's name. With my buying the BTS CD, the situation ahs worsened... " I know the feeling, I heard the tapes for the first time in december. The way they pronounced Vanyel made me cringe to the point that they had to be turned off or at least fast forwarded to another song. I see you shiver in antici.....pation Jason ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 16:26:36 GMT From: STOKES J <95662014-+AT+-mmu.ac.uk> To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Lifebonds vs. Lovebonds Message-ID: <19B367616DE-+AT+-EXCALIBUR.MMU.AC.UK> I'd go for a lifebond. Having experienced a couple of tragic lovebonds that took swan dives the security of a lifebond appeals to me. So you feel the others pain; isn't that better than having your lovebonded being unhappy and taking it out on you and everyone else and being unable to do anything about it? At least with the lifebond you have the chance to understand what is bothering the other person. I see you shiver in antici....pation Jason Ps is someone keeping track of how people are voting on this? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 16:36:20 +0000 (GMT) From: "K.J.F. Loveman" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Good read w/heroines Message-ID: About laying hands on Midori Snyder's 'New Moon'..... I've know that they sometimes have them in Waterstones in the british edition but I get the feeling that these are left over copies. If all else fails try the Andromeda Bookshop in Birmingham who will probably be able to order it in the american version. Kate ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 08:54:21 -0800 (PST) From: "Patrick S. Waterlander" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Kethry in Rethwellan Message-ID: On Sun, 28 Jan 1996, William Jones wrote: > If the court mages saw Kethry's shields they would have known > her a mage... Of course by then she *was* an Adept... (Wasn't she?) > What's to say she wasn't masking her shields in some manner? > > - Shadow-Lover > Keth became an adept _after_ Tarma, Jadrek, and her went north (after Raschar tried to have Jadrek killed). She called the White Wind when she was up at Roalds lodge up in the Comb, which signified her rise to adept status. Going back to the Companion=reincarnated herald bit, maybe Roald=Rolan? Declan -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- -Wishing he wasn't so tired of life- Declan patw-+AT+-clark.edu -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 12:12:21 EST From: Stormcloud To: Subject: Re: Need a Good Read w/Heroines Message-ID: <29JAN96.13182585.0021.MUSIC-+AT+-SJUMUSIC> >Her Victory Nelson books are _very_ good. They are: _Blood Price_, >_Blood Trails_, _Blood Lines_, and _Blood Pact_ (haven't read the last >one yet--no time!). They are remeniscent of Misty's Di Tregarde books, >but I have to say, I like the Nelson books better. > >Mat > Vicki Nelson and Di Tregarde are a similar type of heroine. Although I must admit the vampires stole the show for me in both series. Andre LeBrel and Henry Fitzroy. Oh, did anyone else catch the Misty reference, it was either in the second or third book, someone refers to police detectives Lackey and Dixon? I though that was cute! -+AT+->--- Stormcloud Moon the Misty Maniac Prism wilsonj-+AT+-sjumusic.stjohns.edu Power! O blood, blood, blood! -Othello ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 96 12:50:41 EST From: Starlight-+AT+-eden.rutgers.edu To: lackeymail:;-+AT+-eden.rutgers.edu Message-ID: --------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- My opinion of 'Ressa's question about why they bothered Eric at Juliard was because of the way he acted during a concert when he saw the Nightflyers for the 1st time. IIRC, he ran off stage, and his parents ended up taking him to all of those shrinks. I too, hope there is another book coming out, and soon. What I wish is that they had a book that had Tannim in it too. I mean all of their books, sort of mention each other. Don't they? ************************************************ * Contact Starlight at debeng-+AT+-eden.rutgers.edu * ************************************************ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 13:42:32 -0500 (EST) From: EGLESTON-+AT+-bpl.org To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: catching up.... Message-ID: <960129134232.e62-+AT+-bpl.org> I just realized that I've got a pile of digests waiting around and I've been lost rereading books. :-) I may not have made much progress at indexing where magic is used or explained, but I've been having fun. Anyway, here's my thoughts on various topics. Re: Other races: Aquila said "official Herald _personas_" (my emphasis) had to be human. I'm assuming that she means in Queens Own, as I don't believe it has ever been stated in the books. ML may have chosen to keep the QO rules as uncomplicated as possible. After all, if you are going to earn your whites in QO, you have to do human-type good things rather than hertasi-type good things. re: book 4 of Bards. Take heart. If it had a possible publishing date then it might actually be _written_, and just grinding its way through the publishing mill. re: the ongoing magewar. For all the formal language it always makes me feel like I'm watching a kindergartner pulling on pigtails to demonstrate his affection. (And getting slugged back as a token of esteem!) re: the Names issue. *sigh* I was at a con once, and heard Anne McCaffrey pronounce "Menolly" as if it were spelt "Mennolie" and have never trusted phonics to guide me through fantasy names since. re: Horses and Companions. Thanks Alifarr, As soon as I find the ref which explains how the Companions use the magical energy (to increase endurance? to increase speed? both? Yfandes did a kind of Fetching in MPrice, but I don't remember Rolan doing the same sort of thing in AFlight or wouldn't Talia have gotten to the healers sooner?) I'll work out what range their limits should fall into. Indiana is starting to look a little small... re: good reads: If you want to read something that makes your brain work hard, try Suzette Elgin's _Native Tongues_ and its' sequels. Fun with linguistics! re: Kethry in Rethwellan. She isn't an Adept, but she does know how to make herself appear differently to Mage sight. (Like the Tayledras she and Tarma met on the way to the plains in Oathbound.) She used the ability earlier in Oathbreakers during the battle to hide the company before the attack. I suspect that using magic would create disturbances that would shatter the illusion however. The Court mages _must_ be on the alert though. Part of the job is keeping the king from getting assassinated by a mage... Yoicks! and Away! Cindy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 13:59:02 -0500 (EST) From: EGLESTON-+AT+-bpl.org To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: re: lifebonds vs. lovebonds Message-ID: <960129135902.e62-+AT+-bpl.org> After much consideration, I think I'll weigh in with those who would choose a lifebond. This only because it is in my nature to be loyal and I would have trouble making a commitment that I didn't feel was going to last. I don't think it would be comfortable. But, eventually, it would be stable, and there is much to be said for stability. Speaking of bonds, there is much in the books to indicate that in the early days of a bond, physical contact is a factor in how deeply the bond sets in. Yfandes' bond to Vanyel was shaky at first, and again, Kero's determination to learn swordskills affected the bond with Need. Bonds can also be blocked. Talia's unblockable bond with Rolan is nearly unique, at least that is what is implied. She blocked Dirk's knowledge of the rape trauma, just as he had earlier blocked himself off from her. There might have some leakage, but then, there might not. Part of making a lifebond work seems to be acknowledging its existence. Dirk couldn't help with Talia till he admitted he loved her. Another factor is maturity. Sherrill might have known at not-quite fourteen that she was going to be tied to Keren and Ylsa, but they were full grown women, not given to pederasty and she was a _child_. Talia was at the Collegium for years before she realized that her attraction to Dirk was, in some part, sexual. And he didn't seem to realize that he was more than just protective until faced with the notion that she was grown up and going off with Kris -- who had a reputation of being sexually desirable. It might be a lifebond, but it can wait until both partners are of an age to understand what they are committing themselves to. Personally, I would add Kero and Eldan to the list of lifebonded couples. Something let them communicate across half a continent, although we know that most Mindspeech doesn't have nearly that kind of range. And it only worked when Kero, who is very experienced at not letting herself be controlled by a bonded partner (i.e. Need), was _asleep_, or else deep in thought. Yoicks! and Away! Cindy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 10:59:30 -0800 (PST) From: McCaffrey's White Dragon To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: re- ROCKY Message-ID: On Sat, 27 Jan 1996 dbackhau-+AT+-isou10.estec.esa.nl wrote: > > >> > LET'S DO THE TIME WARP AGAIN!!!!!! > >> :Jaguar, just because I'm trying to fry your brain on the astral doesn't > >> mean I don't love you ;) I mean, what's a duel to the death between friends?: > >> *huggle*huggle* ;) > >> > >> LET'S DO THE TIME WARP AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > >> > >> - Shadow-Lover > > > > Why, Shadow-Lover! I never knew! I'm touched... > > > >|--------------------------------<>------------------------------| > > Oi, that's enuff of that sort of stuff, thank you very much. Huggling in public, > I dunno, whatever next. We all know what comes after huggles - snuggles that's > what, and where do snuggles get you, hm??? > > And where was Jaguar touched eh? (No, not in the head, Zzzypzzxtt'n'yprt, > that's rude - I apologise for my soul blade, she's feeling her years > today, makes her snippy ( geddit?!)) > > It's Friiiiiday - whoopity doopity doo > 'n prettige weekend > Esmeralda Evensbane > > p.s: I'm despatchng this at 13.40 GMT, on 26th Jan. My last 2 mails have taken > for ever to appear, so this one is getting timed. > I don't know about huggles, but I'm up for some whuggles! ___________________ -==UDIC==- ________________ |\__________________\ McCaffrey's White Dragon |\________________\ ||Why is he talking | || | || to that | a.k.a. || Don't ask. | || White Coconut? | Jake Gipple \|________________| \|__________________| (360)-887-4779 LEMUR! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 11:15:45 -0800 (PST) From: McCaffrey's White Dragon To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Other races Message-ID: On Sun, 28 Jan 1996, Becky Anne Christensen wrote: > On Sun, 28 Jan 1996, Jake Adamo wrote: > > > > Becky Anne wrote: > > > > > I don't know if a non-human Herald would be possible. How could a > > >Dyheli ride a Companion? > > > > Very carefully. > > > > Seriously, what's to stop a Companion from choosing a hertasi or another > > humanoid? A hertasi should be able to ride one. Companions are in horse form > > because (I think I read this somewhere) that's the best/most useful form to work > > with humans. That should work with humanoid-type nonhumans.... > > > > > > ______ __ __ _______ ________ _______ __ > > / ____ \ / / / / / ___ / / ____ / /__ __/ / / > > / /___/ / \ \_/ / / / / / / /___/ / / / / /_____ > > / ____ < _\_ / / / / / / ____ / / / / ____ / > > /__/ /_/ /____/ /_/ /_/ /_/ / / /_/ /_/ /_/ > > > I still don't think it would work, because the general population > would have a hard time accepting the fact that something that lookes like > a lizard is an intelligent thinking being. Heralds have to dispense > justice, and work with people, and lets face it, when it comes to > non-humans that are as smart or smarter than they are, they don't have a > clue. Once Valdemar has some more non-humans, and people get to know > about them, then it might work. > (:*BECKY*:) > +--------------------+ > |BLACK KNIGHT | > | I'm invincible! | > |KING ARTHUR | > | You're a looney.| > +--------------------+ > > But let's not forget, in some of the outer reaches of Valdemar (such as where Tallia was born) people have trouble seeing WOMEN as intelligent thinking beings. ___________________ -==UDIC==- ________________ |\__________________\ McCaffrey's White Dragon |\________________\ ||Why is he talking | || | || to that | a.k.a. || Don't ask. | || White Coconut? | Jake Gipple \|________________| \|__________________| (360)-887-4779 LEMUR! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 11:23:04 -0800 (PST) From: "Patrick S. Waterlander" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Re lovebond vs lifebond Message-ID: On Sat, 27 Jan 1996 dbackhau-+AT+-isou10.estec.esa.nl wrote: > If, as Stefan says somewhere > you feel what the lifebonded feels, then why wasn't good ole empathic, spot-an- > unhappy-person-at-50-yards, lifebonded-of-Dirk Talia aware of the total black > misery Dirk was suffering, especially when Christa (??) died in the fire and > he's wallowing in guilt - she totally misses this. And when she's struggling > to cope with her post-rape trauma, he is blithely unaware that anything is amiss. > > > Just MHO of course! > 'n prettige weekend, > Esmeralda Evensbane > I'm not sure, but I think that lifebonded couples only feel each others feelings AFTER they have acknowledged the fact that the lifebond exists. If they haven't, then they don't feel what the other is going through. But, thats MHO, so don't quote me on it. Declan -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- -Wishing he wasn't so tired of life- Declan patw-+AT+-clark.edu -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 11:24:55 -0800 (PST) From: McCaffrey's White Dragon To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Cat People? Message-ID: On Mon, 29 Jan 1996, Kerry Mealing wrote: > > Just a minor picky point that struck me.. > > Isn't "Cat People" almost an oxymoron? > Whatever happened to "I am the Cat walks alone" etc? (though I haven't seen > Kipling quoted yet on the list so perhaps he's not quite de rigeur). > > ObMisty: Anyone noticed how we haven't seen an intelligent race based > on Cats yet? (I exclude Firecats because they're not a normal race as such > and may not even breed.) We've seen the Equine genus, the deer (scientific > name anyone?), lupines (Kyree) and avians (Tervadi) as well as a few others, > but no feline genus per se. > (Hey, how about that, not only an ObMisty, but related to my main topic too > - does that count for extra points?) :) > Some of the best personalities I've known belonged to cats. BTW, if you're including companions in the list of intelligent races, then you'll have to include firecats, as well. IIRC, in SWarning it was revealed that companions were the 'recycled' souls of heralds just as firecats are the 'recycled' souls of former Sons of the Sun. I believe it was also stated that this is why there are so many more companions than firecats. ___________________ -==UDIC==- ________________ |\__________________\ McCaffrey's White Dragon |\________________\ ||Why is he talking | || | || to that | a.k.a. || Don't ask. | || White Coconut? | Jake Gipple \|________________| \|__________________| (360)-887-4779 LEMUR! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 11:29:49 -0800 (PST) From: "Patrick S. Waterlander" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Dead? Message-ID: On Sat, 27 Jan 1996, Gyrfalcon wrote: > Hello... Hello? You have my Pills! > > Hello? I'm cold and there are wolves after me.... > > > Alright who killed the list? Mel? Mat? Jaguar? Declan? Fess up, or > I'll send out the MIW! > > BWTMIW! > > --Gyrfalcon > > =======================msowers-+AT+-menger.eecs.stevens-tech.edu=================== > > And what list are you referring to? I'm really not sure. The character list I was compiling? The mailing list? (just wondering) Declan -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- -Wishing he wasn't so tired of life- Declan patw-+AT+-clark.edu -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 11:50:28 -0800 (PST) From: "Patrick S. Waterlander" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: The Names Issue Message-ID: On Sun, 28 Jan 1996, Korendil wrote: > Awhiles ago we debated the 'correct' way to pronounce Vanyel's name. With > my buying the BTS CD, the situation ahs worsened... > > B: Shin'a'in is pronounced Shin-ay-in. ay being a long i > > THis is not good for me. It is destroying my pronounciations of it as > > B; Shin'a'in as SHin-a-in, being a long a > > Ok..probably NOT a pressing issue, but... > > ************ > As I find I have no ASCII skill, I'm gonna do a hypercube instead... > Till then: > Korendil -+AT+- undermac ; rubin-+AT+-cent.com > ***************************** > > Well. I always prounounced Shin'a'in as Shin-ah-in. Oh well Declan -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- -Wishing he wasn't so tired of life- Declan patw-+AT+-clark.edu -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 13:14:56 -0700 (MST) From: mrtmh-+AT+-primenet.com (puppies and dragons) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Lovebonds vs. Lifebonds Message-ID: <199601292014.NAA19780-+AT+-usr2.primenet.com> This is the second time I've posted this, so I hope it actually gets through this time. I would personally go for a lifebond, because of the stability factors. I think it would be great to know you're going to wake up next to someone for the rest of your life. And while everybody keeps pointing out that if one person is unhappy, so is the other, has anybody actually taken a look at Misty's lifebonded couples? None of them seem really unhappy! The stomach flu shall never silence me! 'Reesa Raennsyr (But you no doubt wish it had :) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 13:17:20 -0700 (MST) From: mrtmh-+AT+-primenet.com (puppies and dragons) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: A Late Apology Message-ID: <199601292017.NAA18129-+AT+-usr5.primenet.com> I had a really bad case of the flu last week, and couldn't get to the phone, much less the computer, so this is probably really off-topic to most of you. I just wanted to apologize to Julie Vaux, for misunderstanding her post about Larry Dixon's art. I thought I'd read it carefully, but apparently I completely missed her point, and then to top it off, I inserted my foot in my mouth to the knee! Sorry Julie. And sorry to everyone else for posting this so long after the fact. Still not quite up to groveling, 'Reesa Raennsyr P.S. I really don't think I was acting like a Blue... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 15:23:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Mat Timmerman To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Tanya Huff (was: Re: Need a Good Read w/Heroines Message-ID: <01I0L5G80FYQQRX14N-+AT+-vaxc.hofstra.edu> From: Rosario Holsen-Baker > >On Mon, 29 Jan 1996, Mat Timmerman wrote: >> Her Victory Nelson books are _very_ good. They are: _Blood Price_, >> _Blood Trails_, _Blood Lines_, and _Blood Pact_ (haven't read the last >> one yet--no time!). They are remeniscent of Misty's Di Tregarde books, >> but I have to say, I like the Nelson books better. >> > Remeniscent, nothing! A paranormal PI with a vampire-lover and a human >complication? Even the romance writing is the same, 'cept it's the >vampire who cranks out the bodice-rippers. :) But Di isn't actually a PI, and Vicki isn't exclusively a supernatural one. And who's Di's Celluci(human complication)? I do _not_ believe that it could be Mark Valdez. Mat accmjt-+AT+-vaxc.hofstra.edu http://ada.hofstra.edu/~mtimme47/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 14:55:35 -0600 (CST) From: Mary Temple To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Cat People? Message-ID: <199601292055.OAA07798-+AT+-natashya.eden.com> At 03:33 AM 01/29/96 GMT, you wrote: >Isn't "Cat People" almost an oxymoron? Yes, or so my two cats tell me. :) That's why I haven't joined. :) >Whatever happened to "I am the Cat walks alone" etc? (though I haven't seen >Kipling quoted yet on the list so perhaps he's not quite de rigeur). Uhm, excuse me?? I have that quote in my .sig file. Not reading sigs, eh? :) > >ObMisty: Anyone noticed how we haven't seen an intelligent race based >on Cats yet? (I exclude Firecats because they're not a normal race as such >and may not even breed.) We've seen the Equine genus, the deer (scientific >name anyone?), lupines (Kyree) and avians (Tervadi) as well as a few others, >but no feline genus per se. Yep, I've noticed. And it annoys me. Cats are more intellignet than humans. :) There SHOULD be an intelligent feline race. :) >Cheers, >Kerry. > /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Mary Temple I am the cat who walks by Himself, NoxCat and all places are alike to me. Catriona Rowley - Rudyard Kipling ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 18:22:34 EST From: Stormcloud To: Subject: Re: Non-human heralds Message-ID: <29JAN96.19846341.0134.MUSIC-+AT+-SJUMUSIC> I do not think there would ever be any non-human Heralds, for the same reason that there are no Tayledras heralds and very few Shin'a'in Heralds: the Tayledras are bound to the Pelagirs and cannot devote themselves to Valdemar. The Shin'a'in are bound the the Dhorisha Plains and likewise cannot devote themselves to Valdemar. Am I the only one who got the impression that intelligent non-humans in Velgarth (i.e. the gryphons, kyree, tervardi, hertasi, dyheli, and others) all serve a specific purpose, and so they couldn't make the whole-hearted commitment to Valdemar that a human could who has no other commitments? (Also on this subject, you wouldn't see a sword-sworn Chosen, because they are devoted to their Goddess, nor probably a Sun-priest with a true holy calling.) -+AT+->--- Stormcloud Moon the Misty Maniac Prism wilsonj-+AT+-sjumusic.stjohns.edu Power! O blood, blood, blood! -Othello ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 18:27:47 EST From: Stormcloud To: Subject: Re: Neave Message-ID: <29JAN96.19940210.0027.MUSIC-+AT+-SJUMUSIC> > I bet someone else gets in before me, but, what the heck. He was a student > around the time Talia was - not her year tho'. When they realised that Talia > was an empath, they had her drop her shields, and Neave projected an emotional > traumatic scene at her, which she got totally caught up in. He'd been a little > on his own in a city, and been abused by the others around him. (the first > Arrows book) > He then has the dubious distinction of being one of the few people Eslpeth has > carnal knowledge of - I didn't say slept with, because he is apparently unable > to actually sleep with anyone he's so scarred by his experiences. (the first > Winds book I think). > I don't think he crops up apart from that, but if anyone needed a companion wi > mind healing, it was him. Seems to me he was still suffering, and in need of > help some time after being chosen. Kate reckoned he deserved a lifebond - I'm > not sure if he'd cope with one, but he'd certainly make a good book! > > Tot ziens, > Esmerald Evensbane I always thought Neave was an intriguing character. He had not just been abused, he had been used as a child sex toy in a brothel and the experience scarred him for life. He is exactly the type who would be a likely candidate for a lifebond-- someone Gifted with an incredible trauma in his life. Maybe we should all write to Misty and beg for a book (or at least a short story) about him! :) -+AT+->--- Stormcloud Moon the Misty Maniac Prism wilsonj-+AT+-sjumusic.stjohns.edu Power! O blood, blood, blood! -Othello ------------------------------ End of MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 339 *********************************