MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 340 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Firesong and An'desha (possible spoilers. . . .) by Stormcloud 2) Re: The Names Issue by Stormcloud 3) Re: re- ROCKY by Rosario Holsen-Baker 4) Magewars by Rosario Holsen-Baker 5) Re: Kethry in Rethwellan by Korendil 6) Re: The Names Issue by Korendil 7) Re: Cat People? by Korendil 8) Re: Cat People? by mealink-+AT+-syd.au.swissbank.com (Kerry Mealing) 9) re: lifebonds vs. lovebonds by Anne Cross 10) Re: Need a Good Read w/Heroines by Catherine A Murdoch 11) Re: Neave by Becky Anne Christensen 12) Re: The Names Issue by Becky Anne Christensen 13) Re: Lifebonds vs. Lovebonds by Becky Anne Christensen 14) Re: Non-human heralds by Becky Anne Christensen 15) unsubscribing by "Kellie" 16) Re: Lifebonds vs. Lovebonds by Sharleen Johnson 17) Re: bleaching, apology & old(?) thread by "Sanna Koulu" 18) Re: Neave by "Sanna Koulu" 19) Re: Need a Good Read w/Heroines by "Sanna Koulu" 20) Re: Other races by "Sanna Koulu" 21) Re: Other races/fake heralds by dbackhau-+AT+-isou10.estec.esa.nl 22) Lovebonds vs. Lifebonds by dbackhau-+AT+-isou10.estec.esa.nl 23) Re: Kethry in Rethwellan by TSALE-+AT+-ups.edu 24) Re: Kethry in Rethwellan by Birgit Hanel 25) Re: One Sided Bonds (was Lifebonds vs. Lovebonds) by Catherine Osborne 26) Eddings (was: Re: Good reads, good heroines by Rosario Holsen-Baker 27) Re: Tanya Huff (was: Re: Need a Good Read w/Heroines by Rosario Holsen-Baker 28) Re: Cat People? by Rosario Holsen-Baker 29) Re: Firesong and An'desha (possible spoilers. . . .) by "David Ramsden" 30) Re: Lovebonds vs. Lifebonds by Becky Anne Christensen ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 18:36:06 EST From: Stormcloud To: Subject: Firesong and An'desha (possible spoilers. . . .) Message-ID: <29JAN96.20090021.0040.MUSIC-+AT+-SJUMUSIC> > Was anyone else surprised when in "Storm Rising", it turned out > that .... uh, oh, spoiler ... > S > P > O > I > L > E > R > * > * > * > * > * > * > * > * > That enough room? ... that An'desha and Firesong didn't have a > lifebond? Not that I'm particularily upset. It was nice to see a > romance that didn't turn out "fated" to be ... though those are nice, > too. > > Oh, jeez, I've gotta get to class in 3 > minutes... > > Winter (who is really Jill, but has > decided that that is the perfect alias considering where she's from, > right Lyn?) > I was always hoping but I knew it wasn't going to happen. Firesong is too over-powering a personality. If he were to lifebond, he might drown the other person without even realizing it. Now, Firesong and Silverfox. . . that could be a definite steady lovebond. I really hope so-- I like Silverfox. . . and of course I adore Firesong. (Anyone else wish she'd just hurry up and get Karal and Natoli together? ) -+AT+->--- Stormcloud Moon the Misty Maniac Prism wilsonj-+AT+-sjumusic.stjohns.edu Power! O blood, blood, blood! -Othello ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 18:39:12 EST From: Stormcloud To: Subject: Re: The Names Issue Message-ID: <29JAN96.20145691.0041.MUSIC-+AT+-SJUMUSIC> Jason says: > The way they pronounced Vanyel made me cringe to the point > that they had to be turned off or at least fast forwarded to another > song. Please, nobody jump on me or yell at me. . . but I couldn't care less how Van's name is pronounced! Van is Van is Van, and he's a great guy no matter how you say his name! -+AT+->--- Stormy who is waiting to be yelled at ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 18:32:54 -0500 (EST) From: Rosario Holsen-Baker To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: re- ROCKY Message-ID: McCaffrey's White Dragon said something about whuggles. What in the nine Shin'a'in hells are whuggles? |--------------------------------<>------------------------------| | He screams and screams and pounds his head against the wall until | | wailing phantom firetrucks paces across his vision. | | PAIN. PAIN IS ALL HE WANTS: We shall never forget and never forgive. | | AND NEVER EVER FEAR | |FEAR IS FOR THE ENEMY FEAR AND BULLETS | |-----------------------http://www.sidwell.edu/~rholsen------------------| ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 18:30:48 -0500 (EST) From: Rosario Holsen-Baker To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Magewars Message-ID: Cindy said something like this little mage-duel resembling k-kids who pull on pigtails as a sign of affection. 1) For anyone who's read Pamela Dean's _Tam Lin_...shades of Janet whacking Nick Tooley on the head with the spoon?? The mind boggles (boggle, boggle, boggle... :) 2) As the one challanged in this mage-duel, all I have to say is... oh dear. |--------------------------------<>------------------------------| | He screams and screams and pounds his head against the wall until | | wailing phantom firetrucks paces across his vision. | | PAIN. PAIN IS ALL HE WANTS: We shall never forget and never forgive. | | AND NEVER EVER FEAR | |FEAR IS FOR THE ENEMY FEAR AND BULLETS | |-----------------------http://www.sidwell.edu/~rholsen------------------| ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 18:45:21 -0600 From: Korendil To: "Misty List" Subject: Re: Kethry in Rethwellan Message-ID: <199601300045.SAA20433-+AT+-ns.cent.com> > Going back to the Companion=reincarnated herald bit, maybe Roald=Rolan? Nopers:( Going along w/ our wonderful little Companion + Shadow-Lover = Companion Theory, Grove Born Companions are new, as was mentioned in...WoFate? WoC? one of those...so Rolan is a newbie. Nevere before born. Like Gwena. and maybe others. who knows? ;> ************ As I find I have no ASCII skill, I'm gonna do a hypercube instead... Till then: Korendil -+AT+- undermac ; rubin-+AT+-cent.com ***************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 18:48:34 -0600 From: Korendil To: "Misty List" Subject: Re: The Names Issue Message-ID: <199601300048.SAA20525-+AT+-ns.cent.com> >I know the feeling, I heard the tapes for the first time in december. >The way they pronounced Vanyel made me cringe to the point >that they had to be turned off or at least fast forwarded to another >song. ;> It wasn't THAT bad for me;> I only fastforwarded on My Lady's Eyes. and Cold-Drake. And Vrondi. when I got sick of that, I just dubbed a copy, where *some how* those songs disappeared! pretty *amazing*, eh? ************ As I find I have no ASCII skill, I'm gonna do a hypercube instead... Till then: Korendil -+AT+- undermac ; rubin-+AT+-cent.com ***************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 19:16:02 -0600 From: Korendil To: "Misty List" Subject: Re: Cat People? Message-ID: <199601300116.TAA21449-+AT+-ns.cent.com> >I included the Companions because IMO, they are a race - they can and do >breed successfully. I excluded the Firecats because there was no evidence >that they breed (in that they all seem to be the equivalent of grove-borns). If you place them in the breeding category of Grove Born COmpanions, then they're fertile. I lie, very fertile. wait, worng agian, EXTREMELY Fertile. So then they ARE a race? you're confuzzling me....;> ************ As I find I have no ASCII skill, I'm gonna do a hypercube instead... Till then: Korendil -+AT+- undermac ; rubin-+AT+-cent.com ***************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 96 12:51:09 EST From: mealink-+AT+-syd.au.swissbank.com (Kerry Mealing) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Cat People? Message-ID: <9601300151.AA20834-+AT+-syd.au.swissbank.com> Hiya.. I'm just taking this to private email 'cos I don't think the list is that interested in hearing me writing on the topic yet again. :) Noxcat (Mary) wrote: > At 03:33 AM 01/29/96 GMT, you wrote: > >Isn't "Cat People" almost an oxymoron? > > Yes, or so my two cats tell me. :) That's why I haven't joined. :) I actually originally wasn't thinking of cats being superior so much as cats not forming into social groups (which "people" seems to imply). Hence the reference to Kipling and the Cat walking by himself. Then of course, I thought of prides of lions, but I still think they're the exception rather than the rule. Of course, there's the line from one of my favourite authors (Susan Dexter) from Thomas, a wizards not-familiar (he'd be most insulted to be considered a familiar) - "The affection of a cat is to be valued above the love of thousands of mere humans." :) A brilliant series - The Winter King Trilogy. (I've got two copies of most of the books just in case one gets damaged). :) > >Whatever happened to "I am the Cat walks alone" etc? (though I haven't seen > >Kipling quoted yet on the list so perhaps he's not quite de rigeur). > > Uhm, excuse me?? I have that quote in my .sig file. Not reading sigs, eh? :) Very premature senility setting in methinks. I had read it in your sig, lots of times but had forgotten. And to add insult to injury, my editing job left the quote misquoted. :) > >ObMisty: Anyone noticed how we haven't seen an intelligent race based > >on Cats yet? (I exclude Firecats because they're not a normal race as such > >and may not even breed.) We've seen the Equine genus, the deer (scientific > >name anyone?), lupines (Kyree) and avians (Tervadi) as well as a few others, > >but no feline genus per se. > > Yep, I've noticed. And it annoys me. Cats are more intellignet than humans. > :) There SHOULD be an intelligent feline race. :) I think so.. I also think avians of the parrot family should also have formed an intelligent race by that time.. (Heck, my cockatoo is at least as intelligent as Vree. My grandfather's cockatoo used to tease the humans and dogs at our farm by whistling and mimicking my grandmother's voice calling "Dinner's ready." and when they'd turn up at the back door he'd laugh his head off.) Anyway, I digress. Cheers, Kerry. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 22:44:06 -0500 (EST) From: Anne Cross To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: re: lifebonds vs. lovebonds Message-ID: Quoth Cindy: > Personally, I would add Kero and Eldan to the list of lifebonded > couples. Something let them communicate across half a continent, although > we know that most Mindspeech doesn't have nearly that kind of range. And > it only worked when Kero, who is very experienced at not letting herself > be controlled by a bonded partner (i.e. Need), was _asleep_, or else > deep in thought. Oh no, not again. We've been through this already. Somebody (I don't remember exactly who) wrote to Misty in the end to resolve this debate, and the unequivocal answer that came back was: At the end of _By the Sword_, the only people who have lifebonded in the story are Darenthallis and Selenay. Just to kill this one before it starts. :) Windbraid, aka... ____________________________________________________________________________ | Anne Cross | "How many witches does it take | | juniper-+AT+-fledge.watson.org | to change a lightbulb?" | | http://www.watson.org/~juniper/ | "What do you want to change it into?" | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 15:52:04 +1100 (EST) From: Catherine A Murdoch To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Need a Good Read w/Heroines Message-ID: Dear Sarah, Try reading the "Sword and Sorceress" books. They are collections of short stories by various writers and edited by Marion Zimmer Bradley. I'm sure you'd enjoy them. -- -- Catherine Murdoch | Internet: ulcam-+AT+-dewey.newcastle.edu.au Auchmuty Library | Ph (intl+61+49) 217147 University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA | Fax (intl+61+49) 215833 "If man could be crossed with a cat, it would improve man, but it would deteriorate the cat." - Mark Twain ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 21:07:35 -0800 (PST) From: Becky Anne Christensen To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Neave Message-ID: On Mon, 29 Jan 1996 dbackhau-+AT+-isou10.estec.esa.nl wrote: > > Becky wrote: > > > Okay, I should know who Neave is, but I can't remember > >who. Which book(s) is he in? The name sounds really familiar, > >someone please refresh my memory. > > I bet someone else gets in before me, but, what the heck. He was a student > around the time Talia was - not her year tho'. When they realised that Talia > was an empath, they had her drop her shields, and Neave projected an emotionally > traumatic scene at her, which she got totally caught up in. He'd been a little, > on his own in a city, and been abused by the others around him. (the first > Arrows book) > Tot ziens, > Esmerald Evensbane > OKAY!!!!!Now I remember, I ws just re-reading that book the other day too! I feel stupid, anyways, you were the first to respond, THANK YOU! (:*BECKY*:) +--------------------+ |BLACK KNIGHT | | I'm invincible! | |KING ARTHUR | | You're a looney.| +--------------------+ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 21:12:36 -0800 (PST) From: Becky Anne Christensen To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: The Names Issue Message-ID: On Mon, 29 Jan 1996, STOKES J wrote: > > Sun 28th Korendil wrote > I know the feeling, I heard the tapes for the first time in december. > The way they pronounced Vanyel made me cringe to the point > that they had to be turned off or at least fast forwarded to another > song. > > I see you shiver in antici.....pation > > Jason Okay, how did they pronounce it? (:*BECKY*:) +--------------------+ |BLACK KNIGHT | | I'm invincible! | |KING ARTHUR | | You're a looney.| +--------------------+ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 21:13:42 -0800 (PST) From: Becky Anne Christensen To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Lifebonds vs. Lovebonds Message-ID: On Mon, 29 Jan 1996, STOKES J wrote: > > I see you shiver in antici....pation > > Jason > Ps is someone keeping track of how people are voting on this? I don't know if anyone is, but it seems like most people are voting for lovebonds. (:*BECKY*:) +--------------------+ |BLACK KNIGHT | | I'm invincible! | |KING ARTHUR | | You're a looney.| +--------------------+ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 21:25:34 -0800 (PST) From: Becky Anne Christensen To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Non-human heralds Message-ID: On Tue, 30 Jan 1996, Stormcloud wrote: > > I do not think there would ever be any non-human Heralds, for the same > reason that there are no Tayledras heralds and very few Shin'a'in > Heralds: the Tayledras are bound to the Pelagirs and cannot devote > > -+AT+->--- > Stormcloud Moon > the Misty Maniac Prism > wilsonj-+AT+-sjumusic.stjohns.edu Power! > > O blood, blood, blood! -Othello There are Shin'a'in Heralds? I've never heard of one. I thought anyone with gifts went to become aa shaman. (:*BECKY*:) +--------------------+ |BLACK KNIGHT | | I'm invincible! | |KING ARTHUR | | You're a looney.| +--------------------+ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 23:54:38 CST From: "Kellie" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: unsubscribing Message-ID: <110D0737FE8-+AT+-athena.valpo.edu> please someone let me know how to , i lost hte file wiht which to do so , and i don't really submit much here so there is no real point in me getting tons of messages that i don't read all of, even thought the mage war looked promising.. i would really appretiate it if someone would tell me Tha nk you all it was nice meeting KellieKellie Myers ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 01:26:16 -0500 (EST) From: Sharleen Johnson To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Lifebonds vs. Lovebonds Message-ID: > > I see you shiver in antici....pation Rocky Horror? Cool movie! > > Ps is someone keeping track of how people are voting on this? > I don't know if anyone is, but it seems like most people are > voting for lovebonds. Well, here's another vote for a lifebond. It seems to me that a relationship that was certain to be permanent would make for a more complete sharing of thoughts and emotion. The ideal components for my view of a perfect relationship. Inner fear of losing one's partner would not exist, preventing you from making yourself completely open and thus vulnerable. sharleen "sahrlan" johnson * Imagination is our only weapon in the war against reality * http://www.duke.edu/~spj1/ email: spj1-+AT+-acpub.duke.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 08:50:22 EET From: "Sanna Koulu" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: bleaching, apology & old(?) thread Message-ID: <1DF480D4FBB-+AT+-otdk.helsinki.fi> Kerry wrote: > Seanna wrote: > > Chonni wrote: > > > > > And I can't remember if i posted this before, so bear with me.... > > > LOVEBONDS VS. LIFEBONDS.... > > > > > > And a general poll: WHICH WOULD RATHER HAVE, A LIFEBOND, OR A LOVEBOND???? > > > > Just a thought: how many people would choose to have a Symb, as in > > Varley's "Equinoctial"? Anyone? > > Haven't read it.. Care to expand on the concept for similar reprobates? > I gather Symb stands for symbiote, which at least sounds interesting in > that it's a partnership.. though slightly offputting in that most hosts > don't have a choice as to whether they acquire a symbiote. Perhaps I'm > reading too much into 4 letters. :) For those who don't know, Varley is, IMO, the best (or close to it!) SF writer alive. He's been compared to Heinlein, but is much better - and _much_ more ..interesting. "Equinoctial" is a short story (novelette?) about a group of humans who live in the rings of Saturn, each of them encased in and partnered by an artificial life-form called a Symb. A pair can live in space without any artificial aids; the Symb takes in sunlight and (through photosynthesis) gives the human oxygen and sugars etc. The human provides the Symb with carbon dioxide and minerals. It's commitment for life (often lasting several centuries): the Symb uses your brain, roams freely through your memories, can stimulate any nerves directly (and channels all outside information) ... People are few and far between, so the Symb becomes your lover, parent, friend and alter ego... All humans who have chosen to pair up with a Symb swear they weren't even alive before, but that kind of commitment scares most people. I, among others, would volunteer instantly, if it was possible :). Beats the hell out of Companion-bonds and Lifebonds... -Seanna ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 09:12:16 EET From: "Sanna Koulu" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Neave Message-ID: <1DFA5A221A9-+AT+-otdk.helsinki.fi> Stormcloud wrote: > Esmeralda wrote: > > > I don't think he crops up apart from that, but if anyone needed a companion wi > > mind healing, it was him. Seems to me he was still suffering, and in need of > > help some time after being chosen. Kate reckoned he deserved a lifebond - I'm > > not sure if he'd cope with one, but he'd certainly make a good book! > > I always thought Neave was an intriguing character. I agree. But it seems like he did get his act together (judging from Elspeth talking) which is very encouraging... > He is exactly the type who would be a likely candidate for a lifebond-- > someone Gifted with an incredible trauma in his life. Maybe we should > all write to Misty and beg for a book (or at least a short story) about > him! :) Ouch. Imagine being on the other side of that Lifebond. That person would have to be stable as a rock. She'd also better be damn strong, because that kind of hellish memories pouring through the link might cause serious trauma to her. No, I think Neave is definitely the type to get a Companion-bond or possibly a God-bond but not a Lifebond, no... A book would be nice though. -Seanna ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 09:22:07 EET From: "Sanna Koulu" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Need a Good Read w/Heroines Message-ID: <1DFCF3701EF-+AT+-otdk.helsinki.fi> Kerry wrote: > Herald Chonni wrote: > > > The worst, and conincidentally the last, historical romance (not > > including Georgette Heyer) i read had the male lead saying "Oh baby, > > yeah...oh baby..." and "That's it babe..." > > oh so historically accurate! > > Glad to see someone else doesn't mind the old Georgette Heyer.. Speaking of Heyer, has anyone read "Swordspoint" by Ellen Kushner? It's described on the blurb as "if Georgette Heyer had turned to fantasy". I'm not sure if I agree though. It doesn't have any heroines, but it does have a very good female "villain"... and the writing, among other things, is gorgeous. Besides, it's one of the best fantasies I've ever read. Worlds better than LHM, say... and now I duck behind the door and return you to your regular discussion. -Seanna ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 09:31:03 EET From: "Sanna Koulu" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Other races Message-ID: <1DFF53839B7-+AT+-otdk.helsinki.fi> Esmeralda was musing on Heralds (specifically Vanyel) on motorcycles... I'll just say thank you for the idea! I _like_ it :). ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 96 10:04:39 +0100 From: dbackhau-+AT+-isou10.estec.esa.nl To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Other races/fake heralds Message-ID: <9601300904.AA20898-+AT+-isou10.estec.esa.nl> McCaffrey's White Dragon wrote: >But let's not forget, in some of the outer reaches of Valdemar (such as >where Tallia was born) people have trouble seeing WOMEN as intelligent >thinking beings. Quite so. There was a series of books written by one of the "old classic sci-fi" guys - not Clarke, doc something maybe (?????) based around the Lensmen. These were (caucasian, north american, militaristic, male) humans who were chosen by some greater race to protect, mediate etc etc the yooman race. They were joined after a book or two by some non-humans, and all were identifiable by the lens on their wrist/appendage - the lens made you incorruptible. I am _NOT_ advocating these books - yes they were a so-so yarn, but the sci bit was excessive, and the sexism - oof, only you (white men) can save the world, (and muder wholesale the baddies). They allow a few other (male) aliens in later, but women? Those pretty little fluffy headed things? Good gief (or holy Klonos as our hero is prone to saying - you can almost hear the "batman" tacked on the end ) this is war we're talking about here son. However, their "heralds" were always identified by their symbol, always visible and known across the Universe (I starting to sound like a movie trailer) A Valdemar herald - person in white + white gee-gee, is also recognisable, but in many places only by tradition - after all Talia had never seen one at the age of 14, but she knew what symbolised one. Eerm, the point of all this .... oh yes - you make the symbol what people trust, regardless of who or what has it - A = good, therefore thing with A = good. Mind you, the average non-herald, seeing a herald once in a blue moon, would not recognise a companion - so if you were a less than honest sort of person, out to con folk, you'd get yourself some white togs, lash out on a smart white hoss, then tour remote parts of the country, being fed and feted. Would the gods of Valdemar strike you down? Probably not, they're not known for interfering. You could probably do quite well out of it it you didn't get greedy, or pass judgement that all the local virgins should come to you at night for testing (the male crooks that is, the female equivalent probably would want something with a bit more .... experience ). I mean, someone like our Talia, but with- out the moral base that got her chosen, could start "just pretending", but the regard with which others hold you in your "herald" persona could become addictive, you kid yourself that you're not doing anyone any harm, and as long as you avoid real heralds, probably kid yourself that you're actually doing good. There have been cases of people impersonating priests and doctors in the real world - people who weren't evil, just wanting to be respected and using the trappings of a respected profession to gain it - so why not in Valdemar? Just some vague musings over the first cup of coffee, tot ziens Esmeralda Evensbane ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 96 10:17:39 +0100 From: dbackhau-+AT+-isou10.estec.esa.nl To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Lovebonds vs. Lifebonds Message-ID: <9601300917.AA20912-+AT+-isou10.estec.esa.nl> 'Reesa Raennsyr wrote: > And while >everybody keeps pointing out that if one person is unhappy, so is >the other, has anybody actually taken a look at Misty's lifebonded >couples? None of them seem really unhappy! Hear hear. The point I tried to make yesterday (I think - it was a long time ago). I also think that ML got caught up with her lifebonds - at the beginning of Arrows 1, aren't we told that lifebonds are incredibly rare, and even rarer among heralds (the why's and wherefores of this were discussed a short while back I think), and yet there is a steady sprinkling of lifebonded pairs cropping up. Every series about Valdemar has one or two pairs. Is it that they don't happen to the ordinary folk, and the books are not about the ordinary folk? More musings (the second cup of coffee ) tot ziens, Esmeralda Evensbane ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 1:30:06 -0800 (PST) From: TSALE-+AT+-ups.edu To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Kethry in Rethwellan Message-ID: <960130013006.2020cc2a-+AT+-ups.edu> Actually this is about the Roald=Rolan possibility. Rolan was grove born. All the grove borns were new souls. The ones that were bred where the reincarnations. Excuse the newbie! tayla ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 11:30:31 +0100 (CET) From: Birgit Hanel To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Kethry in Rethwellan Message-ID: On Mon, 29 Jan 1996, Patrick S. Waterlander wrote: > Going back to the Companion=reincarnated herald bit, maybe Roald=Rolan? > > Declan > My impression was that *reincarnated* Heralds appear as those Companions who were born in Valdemar; since Rolan is a grove-born, I think that he is indeed some spirit that manifested in Companion-shape and not a reborn H. As a counterexample take Sayvil/Savil (did I get the names mixed up? I was referring to Vanyel's aunt resp. Kero's Companion). IMO it was pretty clear that Misty made that connection. Blessings Birgit* ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 07:36:15 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine Osborne To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: One Sided Bonds (was Lifebonds vs. Lovebonds) Message-ID: On Sun, 28 Jan 1996, Jacob D. Adamo wrote: > > Why not? > > I could easily see someone who is completely dedicated to another person and > have that other person not respond. It is possible non-bonded wise, to > completely love someone and have them not feel the same way, so what's stopping > the development of a bond? It would be malicious and tragic, but I think it's > possible. Ah. "Completely dedicated" is different from "lifebond." IMHO, of course, a lifebond is a sort of mystical predestined-from-birth kind of thing which is *built in* to your system. Completely dedicated, on the other hand, can *develop* and can therefore be one-sided. Oh, dear. Did that come out sounding intelligible? I\/ Catherine Osborne "After great pain, I\/ Sundancer a formal feeling comes." I cosborne-+AT+-sidwell.edu --Emily Dickinson I http://www.sidwell.edu/~cosborne/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 07:55:21 -0500 (EST) From: Rosario Holsen-Baker To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Eddings (was: Re: Good reads, good heroines Message-ID: EE wrote: > character. The men in those books tho - sheesh, Mr Eddings has some interesting > attitudes on relationships - all those wiley women trapping men, then turning > them into mindless morons, presumably through sex - check it out - > Relg and Tabia, Garion and CeNedra, Mandorallan and whossername, Belgareth and > thingy, Silk and whatsit, Lellodorin or whatever he's called and his babe, > even Pol and Durnick - all the men become bemused shadows of their manly selves, > while the women sit around with smug smiles on their faces. Notice how my > phenomenal ability to recall names has not let me down yet?! > Mandorallen and the Baroness E-somthing, Belgareth and Poledra, Silk/Kheldar and Velvet/Lisellem Lelldorin and Ariana. Couldn't resist any longer! I've got every last one of those books! |--------------------------------<>------------------------------| | He screams and screams and pounds his head against the wall until | | wailing phantom firetrucks paces across his vision. | | PAIN. PAIN IS ALL HE WANTS: We shall never forget and never forgive. | | AND NEVER EVER FEAR | |FEAR IS FOR THE ENEMY FEAR AND BULLETS | |-----------------------http://www.sidwell.edu/~rholsen------------------| ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 08:00:10 -0500 (EST) From: Rosario Holsen-Baker To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Tanya Huff (was: Re: Need a Good Read w/Heroines Message-ID: On Tue, 30 Jan 1996, Mat Timmerman wrote: > From: Rosario Holsen-Baker > > > >On Mon, 29 Jan 1996, Mat Timmerman wrote: > >> Her Victory Nelson books are _very_ good. They are: _Blood Price_, > >> _Blood Trails_, _Blood Lines_, and _Blood Pact_ (haven't read the last > >> one yet--no time!). They are remeniscent of Misty's Di Tregarde books, > >> but I have to say, I like the Nelson books better. > >> > > Remeniscent, nothing! A paranormal PI with a vampire-lover and a human > >complication? Even the romance writing is the same, 'cept it's the > >vampire who cranks out the bodice-rippers. :) > > But Di isn't actually a PI, and Vicki isn't exclusively a supernatural one. > And who's Di's Celluci(human complication)? I do _not_ believe that it > could be Mark Valdez. > Dave whatshisname. Di was sort of, in the Spook Squad (I think I'm reading those books more than is good for me). 'Cept that was only in the first book...hmmmm....they both went up against gods and survived, though. |--------------------------------<>------------------------------| | He screams and screams and pounds his head against the wall until | | wailing phantom firetrucks paces across his vision. | | PAIN. PAIN IS ALL HE WANTS: We shall never forget and never forgive. | | AND NEVER EVER FEAR | |FEAR IS FOR THE ENEMY FEAR AND BULLETS | |-----------------------http://www.sidwell.edu/~rholsen------------------| ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 08:01:06 -0500 (EST) From: Rosario Holsen-Baker To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Cat People? Message-ID: On Tue, 30 Jan 1996, Mary Temple wrote: > At 03:33 AM 01/29/96 GMT, you wrote: > >Isn't "Cat People" almost an oxymoron? > > Yes, or so my two cats tell me. :) That's why I haven't joined. :) > Augh! Like I keep saying, cats ARE people, they're just not HUMAN! |--------------------------------<>------------------------------| | He screams and screams and pounds his head against the wall until | | wailing phantom firetrucks paces across his vision. | | PAIN. PAIN IS ALL HE WANTS: We shall never forget and never forgive. | | AND NEVER EVER FEAR | |FEAR IS FOR THE ENEMY FEAR AND BULLETS | |-----------------------http://www.sidwell.edu/~rholsen------------------| ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 13:18:46 +0000 From: "David Ramsden" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Firesong and An'desha (possible spoilers. . . .) Message-ID: <199601301320.NAA11410-+AT+-gate.dungeon.com> (Anyone else wish she'd just hurry up and get > Karal and Natoli together? ) > > Stormcloud ACtually no, i prefer their relastionship drawn out the way it is. David Ramsden - Avalon-+AT+-post.dungeon.com ---------------------------------------- Then I'd rather have hope - than nothing at all. - Illyana in X-men Omega ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 06:45:53 -0800 (PST) From: Becky Anne Christensen To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Lovebonds vs. Lifebonds Message-ID: On Tue, 30 Jan 1996 dbackhau-+AT+-isou10.estec.esa.nl wrote: > 'Reesa Raennsyr wrote: > > > And while > >everybody keeps pointing out that if one person is unhappy, so is > >the other, has anybody actually taken a look at Misty's lifebonded > >couples? None of them seem really unhappy! > > Hear hear. The point I tried to make yesterday (I think - it was a long time > ago). I also think that ML got caught up with her lifebonds - at the beginning > of Arrows 1, aren't we told that lifebonds are incredibly rare, and even rarer > among heralds (the why's and wherefores of this were discussed a short while > back I think), and yet there is a steady sprinkling of lifebonded pairs > cropping up. Every series about Valdemar has one or two pairs. Is it that they > don't happen to the ordinary folk, and the books are not about the ordinary > folk? > > More musings (the second cup of coffee ) > tot ziens, > Esmeralda Evensbane Actually, the correct line is that lifebonds are rare among heralds and rarer still among the general population. I made the same mistake a while back, and looked it up. There are many Heralds, and only having 2 lifebonded couples is pretty rare. But it's weird to think that most of her hero-heroines are lifebonded. Besides Kero, I can't think of any body else that the books were about that wasn't lifebonded. (:*BECKY*:) +--------------------+ |BLACK KNIGHT | | I'm invincible! | |KING ARTHUR | | You're a looney.| +--------------------+ ------------------------------ End of MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 340 *********************************