MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 341 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Lovebonds vs. Lifebonds by dbackhau-+AT+-isou10.estec.esa.nl 2) Re: Tanya Huff by Stormcloud 3) Re: The Names Issue by Kayla 4) Re: Lovebonds vs. Lifebonds by Kayla 5) Re: Kethry in Rethwellan by Kayla 6) Re: Other races/fake heralds by Kayla 7) Re: Eddings (was: Re: Good reads, good heroines by Kayla 8) Re: Non-human heralds by Stormcloud 9) Re: Neave by Stormcloud 10) Re: Lovebonds vs. Lifebonds by Anne Cross 11) Re: Cat People? by "Patrick S. Waterlander" 12) Re: Cat People? by "Patrick S. Waterlander" 13) Lovebonds vs. Lifebonds by Stormcloud 14) re: lifebonds vs. lovebonds by EGLESTON-+AT+-bpl.org 15) groveborn/reincarnated Companions by EGLESTON-+AT+-bpl.org 16) Re: Cat People? by mrtmh-+AT+-primenet.com (puppies and dragons) 17) Re: Lovebonds vs. Lifebonds by "David Ramsden" 18) Re: Lovebonds vs. Lifebonds by EGLESTON-+AT+-bpl.org 19) Dojos? by "Patrick S. Waterlander" 20) Re: The Names Issue by McCaffrey's White Dragon 21) Horrible Hawkbrother Jokes (2nd generation) by Rosario Holsen-Baker 22) Eddings name floundering by Hollie Virgin 23) Re: Non-human heralds by McCaffrey's White Dragon 24) Re: re- ROCKY by McCaffrey's White Dragon 25) Re: Cat People? by McCaffrey's White Dragon ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 30 Jan 96 17:08:02 +0100 From: dbackhau-+AT+-isou10.estec.esa.nl To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Lovebonds vs. Lifebonds Message-ID: <9601301608.AA21552-+AT+-isou10.estec.esa.nl> Becky wrote: > Actually, the correct line is that lifebonds are rare among >heralds and rarer still among the general population. I made the same >mistake a while back, and looked it up. There are many Heralds, and only >having 2 lifebonded couples is pretty rare. Yeah, but what couples - the Monarch and the Monarchs Own no less (in Winds) the Monarch and sort of stand-in Monarch's Own (in Magic) - maybe being important helps?? > But it's weird to think that >most of her hero-heroines are lifebonded. Besides Kero, I can't think of >any body else that the books were about that wasn't lifebonded. Way to go Bex - just wait for those snowballs, coconuts, raspberries, assorted no-no's to hit. No, no, I'm not going to join in, - well maybe just one, if you insist: Elspeth and Darkwind? (Sorry about the Bex, my niece is a confirmed and comitted Bex, so it sort of sits easy in my head) tot ziens Esmeralda Evensbane ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 11:10:40 EST From: Stormcloud To: Subject: Re: Tanya Huff Message-ID: <30JAN96.12072142.0074.MUSIC-+AT+-SJUMUSIC> >> Remeniscent, nothing! A paranormal PI with a vampire-lover and a human >>complication? Even the romance writing is the same, 'cept it's the >>vampire who cranks out the bodice-rippers. :) > >But Di isn't actually a PI, and Vicki isn't exclusively a supernatural one. >And who's Di's Celluci(human complication)? I do _not_ believe that it >could be Mark Valdez. > >Mat Di was not an item with Mark, and if you mean Dave, that was an old flame who showed up in one book and there was only a little rekindling, not enough to consider him a complication. In addition, Vicki (at least at first) has no supernatural powers, while Diana is a practicing Wiccan who casts spells and various magical things. -+AT+->--- Stormcloud Moon the Misty Maniac Prism wilsonj-+AT+-sjumusic.stjohns.edu Power! O blood, blood, blood! -Othello ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 00:12:54 +0800 From: Kayla To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: The Names Issue Message-ID: <199601301612.AAA30320-+AT+-jimi.vianet.net.au> At 23:58 29/01/96 GMT, you wrote: >On Sun, 28 Jan 1996, Korendil wrote: > >> Awhiles ago we debated the 'correct' way to pronounce Vanyel's name. With >> my buying the BTS CD, the situation ahs worsened... >> >> B: Shin'a'in is pronounced Shin-ay-in. ay being a long i >> >> THis is not good for me. It is destroying my pronounciations of it as >> >> B; Shin'a'in as SHin-a-in, being a long a >> >> Ok..probably NOT a pressing issue, but... >> >> ************ >> As I find I have no ASCII skill, I'm gonna do a hypercube instead... >> Till then: >> Korendil -+AT+- undermac ; rubin-+AT+-cent.com >> ***************************** >> >> >Well. I always prounounced Shin'a'in as Shin-ah-in. Oh well > >Declan > >-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > -Wishing he wasn't so > tired of life- > Declan > patw-+AT+-clark.edu >-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > > This is why I have always hated hearing other people read stories aloud. I have a name in my own mind and get awfully annoyed when someone else "mis-pronounces" it!!!! Kayla kayla-+AT+-vianet.net.au ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 00:15:13 +0800 From: Kayla To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Lovebonds vs. Lifebonds Message-ID: <199601301615.AAA30372-+AT+-jimi.vianet.net.au> At 00:07 30/01/96 GMT, you wrote: > >This is the second time I've posted this, so I hope it >actually gets through this time. > I would personally go for a lifebond, because of the >stability factors. I think it would be great to know you're going >to wake up next to someone for the rest of your life. And while >everybody keeps pointing out that if one person is unhappy, so is >the other, has anybody actually taken a look at Misty's lifebonded >couples? None of them seem really unhappy! > > The stomach flu shall never silence me! > > 'Reesa Raennsyr > (But you no doubt wish it had :) > > I agree wholeheartedly....I want a relationship like Talia and Dirk. I have been in a long-term lovebond, which eventually wore out (we are still friends though). But it wasn't enough for me. Kayla kayla-+AT+-vianet.net.au ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 00:30:53 +0800 From: Kayla To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Kethry in Rethwellan Message-ID: <199601301630.AAA30729-+AT+-jimi.vianet.net.au> At 10:56 30/01/96 GMT, you wrote: >On Mon, 29 Jan 1996, Patrick S. Waterlander wrote: > >> Going back to the Companion=reincarnated herald bit, maybe Roald=Rolan? >> >> Declan >> >My impression was that *reincarnated* Heralds appear as those Companions >who were born in Valdemar; since Rolan is a grove-born, I think that he >is indeed some spirit that manifested in Companion-shape and not a reborn H. >As a counterexample take Sayvil/Savil (did I get the names mixed up? I >was referring to Vanyel's aunt resp. Kero's Companion). IMO it was pretty >clear that Misty made that connection. >Blessings >Birgit* > > Agreed...in one of the books...erm....one of the mage winds, I think, Gwena almost mixed up Sayvil and Savil when talking about Kero's Companion...anybody else pick up on that? Kayla kayla-+AT+-vianet.net.au ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 00:28:04 +0800 From: Kayla To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Other races/fake heralds Message-ID: <199601301628.AAA30654-+AT+-jimi.vianet.net.au> At 09:19 30/01/96 GMT, you wrote: >McCaffrey's White Dragon wrote: > >>But let's not forget, in some of the outer reaches of Valdemar (such as >>where Tallia was born) people have trouble seeing WOMEN as intelligent >>thinking beings. > >Quite so. > There was a series of books written by one of the "old classic sci-fi" >guys - not Clarke, doc something maybe (?????) based around the Lensmen. you are talking about E E "Doc" Smith *grin* loved the books when I was a kid! >Mind you, the average non-herald, seeing a herald once in a blue moon, would >not recognise a companion - so if you were a less than honest sort of person, >out to con folk, you'd get yourself some white togs, lash out on a smart white >hoss, then tour remote parts of the country, being fed and feted. Would the gods >of Valdemar strike you down? Probably not, they're not known for interfering. >You could probably do quite well out of it it you didn't get greedy, or pass >judgement that all the local virgins should come to you at night for testing >(the male crooks that is, the female equivalent probably would want something >with a bit more .... experience ). I mean, someone like our Talia, but with- >out the moral base that got her chosen, could start "just pretending", but the >regard with which others hold you in your "herald" persona could become >addictive, you kid yourself that you're not doing anyone any harm, and as long >as you avoid real heralds, probably kid yourself that you're actually doing >good. >There have been cases of people impersonating priests and doctors in the real >world - people who weren't evil, just wanting to be respected and using the >trappings of a respected profession to gain it - so why not in Valdemar? > >Just some vague musings over the first cup of coffee, >tot ziens >Esmeralda Evensbane > > and I thought _I_ was a cynic *grin* Kayla kayla-+AT+-vianet.net.au ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 00:34:23 +0800 From: Kayla To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Eddings (was: Re: Good reads, good heroines Message-ID: <199601301634.AAA30780-+AT+-jimi.vianet.net.au> At 13:21 30/01/96 GMT, you wrote: >EE wrote: >> character. The men in those books tho - sheesh, Mr Eddings has some interesting >> attitudes on relationships - all those wiley women trapping men, then turning >> them into mindless morons, presumably through sex - check it out - >> Relg and Tabia, Garion and CeNedra, Mandorallan and whossername, Belgareth and >> thingy, Silk and whatsit, Lellodorin or whatever he's called and his babe, >> even Pol and Durnick - all the men become bemused shadows of their manly selves, >> while the women sit around with smug smiles on their faces. Notice how my >> phenomenal ability to recall names has not let me down yet?! >> > > Mandorallen and the Baroness E-somthing, Belgareth and Poledra, >Silk/Kheldar and Velvet/Lisellem Lelldorin and Ariana. > > Couldn't resist any longer! I've got every last one of those books! > >|--------------------------------<>------------------------------| >| He screams and screams and pounds his head against the wall until | >| wailing phantom firetrucks paces across his vision. | >| PAIN. PAIN IS ALL HE WANTS: We shall never forget and never forgive. | >| AND NEVER EVER FEAR | >|FEAR IS FOR THE ENEMY FEAR AND BULLETS | >|-----------------------http://www.sidwell.edu/~rholsen------------------| > > > what are you on about? that's what happens in real life!!!!!! *just kidding* Kayla kayla-+AT+-vianet.net.au ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 11:46:05 EST From: Stormcloud To: Subject: Re: Non-human heralds Message-ID: <30JAN96.12709848.0074.MUSIC-+AT+-SJUMUSIC> > There are Shin'a'in Heralds? I've never heard of one. I thought >anyone with gifts went to become aa shaman. > (:*BECKY*:) Or they would go to the Tayledras if they didn't want to become Shamans. But, although I don't think there were any Shin'a'in Heralds in the books, there are some floating around Queen's Own, official or not, so I mentioned them whether they are according to the rules or not. But you are right as far as going to the Shamans is concerned. :) -+AT+->--- Stormcloud Moon the Misty Maniac Prism wilsonj-+AT+-sjumusic.stjohns.edu Power! O blood, blood, blood! -Othello ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 11:53:42 EST From: Stormcloud To: Subject: Re: Neave Message-ID: <30JAN96.12846986.0074.MUSIC-+AT+-SJUMUSIC> >> He is exactly the type who would be a likely candidate for a lifebond-- >> someone Gifted with an incredible trauma in his life. Maybe we should >> all write to Misty and beg for a book (or at least a short story) about >> him! :) > >Ouch. Imagine being on the other side of that Lifebond. That person >would have to be stable as a rock. She'd also better be damn strong, >because that kind of hellish memories pouring through the link might >cause serious trauma to her. >No, I think Neave is definitely the type to get a Companion-bond or >possibly a God-bond but not a Lifebond, no... >A book would be nice though. > -Seanna Well, Neave was already Chosen, so he had the Companion-bond. I think he would lifebond-- probably to a Healer, Mindhealer, or Empath, someone who could share his pain with him, and maybe leech some of it away thru their bond. His lifemate would have to be very sympathetic and he/she would need a great deal of patience, but I really think he would be the type to bond. -+AT+->--- Stormcloud Moon the Misty Maniac Prism wilsonj-+AT+-sjumusic.stjohns.edu Power! O blood, blood, blood! -Othello ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 12:03:00 -0500 (EST) From: Anne Cross To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Lovebonds vs. Lifebonds Message-ID: On Tue, 30 Jan 1996, Becky Anne Christensen wrote: > Actually, the correct line is that lifebonds are rare among > heralds and rarer still among the general population. I made the same > mistake a while back, and looked it up. There are many Heralds, and only > having 2 lifebonded couples is pretty rare. But it's weird to think that > most of her hero-heroines are lifebonded. Besides Kero, I can't think of > any body else that the books were about that wasn't lifebonded. The list of not-lifebonded people: Jadrek & Kethry Tarma & her dead boyfriend Elspeth & Darkwind Nyara & Skif One that I'm not allowed to mention yet. Roald & his consort (I can't remember the name and I don't have my books. They're 500 miles away and stay so for the next five months.) Treyvan & Hydona Skandranon & Zhaneel Shalaman & Silver Veil And then there's a whole slew of characters who just don't end up married at all. So, they're not lifebonded either. ;) Windbraid, aka... ____________________________________________________________________________ | Anne Cross | "How many witches does it take | | juniper-+AT+-fledge.watson.org | to change a lightbulb?" | | http://www.watson.org/~juniper/ | "What do you want to change it into?" | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 09:11:16 -0800 (PST) From: "Patrick S. Waterlander" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Cat People? Message-ID: On Mon, 29 Jan 1996, Korendil wrote: > >We've seen the Equine genus, > > Either my memory is going early, or you're mistaken... > > I'm going to assume you meant Companions. But if you except THEM you have > to except Firecats, since they're technically the same thing in different > bodies. that is, IIRC. > > Nya Nya! ;P > > ************ > Korendil -+AT+- undermac ; rubin-+AT+-cent.com > ***************************** > > The way I look at it is that the Companions are fertile, which means they can have offspring, and are not dependent upon the god(goddess?) of Valdemar for them to stick around. The firecats on the other hand, are reincarnations of Sons of the Sun and they don't breed at all, so they're not a true "species". :-) <-><-> Declan <-><-> ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 09:15:45 -0800 (PST) From: "Patrick S. Waterlander" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Cat People? Message-ID: On Mon, 29 Jan 1996, Rosario Holsen-Baker wrote: > On Mon, 29 Jan 1996, Kerry Mealing wrote: > > ObMisty: Anyone noticed how we haven't seen an intelligent race based > > on Cats yet? (I exclude Firecats because they're not a normal race as such > > and may not even breed.) We've seen the Equine genus, the deer (scientific > > name anyone?), lupines (Kyree) and avians (Tervadi) as well as a few others, > > but no feline genus per se. > > (Hey, how about that, not only an ObMisty, but related to my main topic too > > - does that count for extra points?) :) > > IIRC, kyree are more a feline-lupine mix...really odd. I remember > reading that somewhere in V&H. > > |--------------------------------<>------------------------------| > |-----------------------http://www.sidwell.edu/~rholsen------------------| > > > Yeppers. It describes Warrl as being built more like a plains grasscat than a wolf, cause he has retractable claws, and is built for short bursts of high speed, not endurance. <-><-> Declan <-><-> ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 12:02:16 EST From: Stormcloud To: Subject: Lovebonds vs. Lifebonds Message-ID: <30JAN96.13000874.0074.MUSIC-+AT+-SJUMUSIC> >'Reesa Raennsyr wrote: > >> And while >>everybody keeps pointing out that if one person is unhappy, so is >>the other, has anybody actually taken a look at Misty's lifebonded >>couples? None of them seem really unhappy! > >Hear hear. The point I tried to make yesterday (I think - it was a long time >ago). I also think that ML got caught up with her lifebonds - at the beginning >of Arrows 1, aren't we told that lifebonds are incredibly rare, and even rarer >among heralds (the why's and wherefores of this were discussed a short while >back I think), and yet there is a steady sprinkling of lifebonded pairs >cropping up. Every series about Valdemar has one or two pairs. Is it that they >don't happen to the ordinary folk, and the books are not about the ordinary >folk? > >More musings (the second cup of coffee ) >tot ziens, >Esmeralda Evensbane As she said through Van and Stef (I think to explain this away!) in WOFury, lifebonds tend to happen most often when one half of the pair is someone who is powerfully Gifted and slightly unstable. Take, for example, Talia and her shaky control of her Empathy, 'Lendel with Adept potential and the family feud. . . Most of the powerfully Gifted in Valdemar, if not all, are Chosen. Therefore, something that is rare but found most often in Gifted people would crop up more often than usual in a place where the Gifted congregate. Does this make sense? -+AT+->--- Stormcloud Moon the Misty Maniac Prism wilsonj-+AT+-sjumusic.stjohns.edu Power! O blood, blood, blood! -Othello ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 13:34:28 -0500 (EST) From: EGLESTON-+AT+-bpl.org To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: re: lifebonds vs. lovebonds Message-ID: <960130133428.2a4d-+AT+-bpl.org> I suggested that Eldan and Kerowyn were lifebonded, and Anne Cross came back with a direct quote from Misty to indicate that they weren't.... *rats!* and it was such a nice block tower, too. (Crash bang topple!) Okay, new data has arrived. Kero and Eldan weren't communicating via a lifebond. Now what the blazes explains their ability to communicate in such a --er-- full-bodied fashion across such distances? I just reread MPromise, and Yfandes had difficulty picking up sendings from Leshya although they were no farther from Highjorune than Forst Reach. And Kero keeps a tight shield on her ability to read minds most of the time, having decided that it is a) unethical and b) uncomfortable to read your opponents like that. So it's not like she is just wide open to receiving Eldan's thoughts. Hmmmm. Satellite relay?.... :-> Perhaps Need is acting like an antenna? Or doing it deliberately in a sound asleep sort of way. A subtle revenge for all those threats of being dropped down a well. Naah, she'd have remembered it when she woke up. Unless it is maybe that Eldan's Companion is helping out by boosting the sendings as far as Need and Kero gets them the rest of the way? Oy! My brain hurts! I just hate it when Occam's razor slips and I haven't got any Band-aids. Yoicks! and Away! Cindy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 13:46:29 -0500 (EST) From: EGLESTON-+AT+-bpl.org To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: groveborn/reincarnated Companions Message-ID: <960130134629.2a4d-+AT+-bpl.org> Birgit said: "my impression was that *reincarnated* Heralds appear as those Companions who were born in Valdemar; since Rolan is a grove-born, I think that he is indeed some spirit that manifested in Companion-shape and not a reborn H." Y'know, I used to think that the dividing line was pretty sharp myself, groveborn being "new" to the world and born-as-a-foal Companions being reincarnated Heralds, but it occurs to me that the evidence of the Firecats disputes that. Altra is unmistakeably reincarnated. Karal recognizes the name, and Altra doesn't hide it. But there haven't been a lot of Firecats wandering around Karse for the past few centuries for Altra to have had a set of parents and be born as a kitten. IIRC, the implication is that Firecats are reincarnated as full grown cats. So I suppose that you _could_ get a grove-born Companion who was also a reincarnated Herald. Or maybe the Grove-born are the reincarnates of youngsters who would have been companions if they had lived long enough.... I just love mental toys. Yoicks! and Away! Cindy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 11:32:14 -0700 (MST) From: mrtmh-+AT+-primenet.com (puppies and dragons) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Cat People? Message-ID: <199601301832.LAA06793-+AT+-usr3.primenet.com> At 01:31 PM 1/30/96 GMT, Rosario Holsen-Baker wrote: >On Tue, 30 Jan 1996, Mary Temple wrote: > >> At 03:33 AM 01/29/96 GMT, you wrote: >> >Isn't "Cat People" almost an oxymoron? >> >> Yes, or so my two cats tell me. :) That's why I haven't joined. :) >> > Augh! Like I keep saying, cats ARE people, they're just not HUMAN! > > >|--------------------------------<>------------------------------| >| He screams and screams and pounds his head against the wall until | >| wailing phantom firetrucks paces across his vision. | >| PAIN. PAIN IS ALL HE WANTS: We shall never forget and never forgive. | >| AND NEVER EVER FEAR | >|FEAR IS FOR THE ENEMY FEAR AND BULLETS | >|-----------------------http://www.sidwell.edu/~rholsen------------------| > > > I have always held that cats are really elves in disguise. They have pointed ears! And when mine disapears for weeks at a time, he could be visiting the Elfhame! He's probabaly laughing at me right now... 'Reesa Raennsyr ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 18:49:58 +0000 From: "David Ramsden" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Lovebonds vs. Lifebonds Message-ID: <199601301852.SAA21484-+AT+-gate.dungeon.com> > Actually, the correct line is that lifebonds are rare among > heralds and rarer still among the general population. I made the > same mistake a while back, and looked it up. There are many Heralds, > and only having 2 lifebonded couples is pretty rare. But it's weird > to think that most of her hero-heroines are lifebonded. Besides > Kero, I can't think of any body else that the books were about that > wasn't lifebonded. > > (:*BECKY*:) > +--------------------+ > |BLACK KNIGHT | > | I'm invincible! | > |KING ARTHUR | > | You're a looney.| > +--------------------+ > > Elspeth and Darkwind? David Ramsden - Avalon-+AT+-post.dungeon.com ---------------------------------------- Then I'd rather have hope - than nothing at all. - Illyana in X-men Omega ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 13:57:10 -0500 (EST) From: EGLESTON-+AT+-bpl.org To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Lovebonds vs. Lifebonds Message-ID: <960130135710.2a4d-+AT+-bpl.org> Okay, I still have fifteen minutes before my lunch hour is up... What if a lifebond is nothing more than a specialized kind of lovebond? Think of each person as being born with a potential lovebond, which I will describe as a "rope" with a sticky end that has a funny shape to it. Since everyone has the "rope" and all ropes are sticky, if you get two ropes together and keep them together long enough, they will stick to each other. (Although there are different kinds of stickiness and some of them are incompatible, so just contact isn't always enough.) But each end is it's own shape. And every so often, it happens that two people meet who have complementary shapes at the end of the rope. When that occurs, a lifebond can happen. Since everyone is sort of testing rope ends together when they meet, they can discover the match right away, and at that point, if they stay together, the stickiness will take over and pretty soon you will have two people, but only one indivisible rope. A lifebond. Okay, it's an awkward metaphor, but basically I'm trying to say that the mechanism for lovebonds and lifebonds is the same, but there are enough variations that exact matches are very rare. Given that kind of basis, then Kero and Eldan could have been communicating via a lovebond that "cemented" very rapidly under the pressure of being hunted. Maybe? Any thoughts? Yoicks! and Away! Cindy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 10:59:25 -0800 (PST) From: "Patrick S. Waterlander" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Dojos? Message-ID: I'm wondering. Does anyone here practice martial arts? (Mel?) And since someone brought this up, does anyone know a good place to get teaching in Tae-Kwon-Do and Tai-chi in the Portland OR/Vancouver WA area in the US? Declan -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- -Wishing he wasn't so tired of life- Declan patw-+AT+-clark.edu -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 11:01:25 -0800 (PST) From: McCaffrey's White Dragon To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: The Names Issue Message-ID: On Tue, 30 Jan 1996, Patrick S. Waterlander wrote: > On Sun, 28 Jan 1996, Korendil wrote: > > > B: Shin'a'in is pronounced Shin-ay-in. ay being a long i > > > > THis is not good for me. It is destroying my pronounciations of it as > > > > B; Shin'a'in as SHin-a-in, being a long a > > > > Ok..probably NOT a pressing issue, but... > > > > ************ > > As I find I have no ASCII skill, I'm gonna do a hypercube instead... > > Till then: > > Korendil -+AT+- undermac ; rubin-+AT+-cent.com > > ***************************** > > > > > Well. I always prounounced Shin'a'in as Shin-ah-in. Oh well > > Declan > > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > -Wishing he wasn't so > tired of life- > Declan > patw-+AT+-clark.edu > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > As have I. ___________________ -==UDIC==- ________________ |\__________________\ McCaffrey's White Dragon |\________________\ ||Why is he talking | || | || to that | a.k.a. || Don't ask. | || White Coconut? | Jake Gipple \|________________| \|__________________| (360)-887-4779 LEMUR! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 14:09:43 -0500 (EST) From: Rosario Holsen-Baker To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Horrible Hawkbrother Jokes (2nd generation) Message-ID: All right, the list of horrible hawkbrother jokes (all three or four of them) is now up on my homepage. http://www.sidwell.edu/~rholsen/jokes.html Three or four jokes is pretty pitiful. Help me out here, guys! I know you have better (and more warped :) imaginations than that... |--------------------------------<>------------------------------| | He screams and screams and pounds his head against the wall until | | wailing phantom firetrucks paces across his vision. | | PAIN. PAIN IS ALL HE WANTS: We shall never forget and never forgive. | | AND NEVER EVER FEAR | |FEAR IS FOR THE ENEMY FEAR AND BULLETS | |-----------------------http://www.sidwell.edu/~rholsen------------------| ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 14:25:24 -0500 (EST) From: Hollie Virgin To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Eddings name floundering Message-ID: <199601301925.OAA21915-+AT+-service1.cc.uky.edu> Jaguar wrote (in response to EE's desperately trying to recall couple-names) >Mandorallen and the Baroness E-somthing, Belgareth and Poledra, >Silk/Kheldar and Velvet/Lisellem Lelldorin and Ariana. Baroness Nerina. :) I've got them all too...except the most recent... Hollie Virgin ehvirg00-+AT+-pop.uky.edu The dragon shook his head. "My advice to you, my violent friend, is to seek out gold and sit on it." -John Gardner's _Grendel_ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 11:56:07 -0800 (PST) From: McCaffrey's White Dragon To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Non-human heralds Message-ID: On Tue, 30 Jan 1996, Stormcloud wrote: > I do not think there would ever be any non-human Heralds, for the same > reason that there are no Tayledras heralds and very few Shin'a'in > Heralds: the Tayledras are bound to the Pelagirs and cannot devote > themselves to Valdemar. The Shin'a'in are bound the the Dhorisha Plains > and likewise cannot devote themselves to Valdemar. Am I the only one > who got the impression that intelligent non-humans in Velgarth (i.e. > the gryphons, kyree, tervardi, hertasi, dyheli, and others) all > serve a specific purpose, and so they couldn't make the whole-hearted > commitment to Valdemar that a human could who has no other commitments? > (Also on this subject, you wouldn't see a sword-sworn Chosen, because > they are devoted to their Goddess, nor probably a Sun-priest with a > true holy calling.) > A few of points. First, though I can't remember wheather I read it in one of Misty's novels or in one of the Sword & Sorceress anthologies (btw, another must-read for strong female heroes, ed. Marion Zimmer Bradley), Tarma and a herald (I can't remember who, exactly) both called on their godesses on a hunch. When she showed up, she confirmed that she was indeed the godess of both peoples. As an interesting side note, Tarma had had to borrow a set of the herald's whites which the godess turned black upon appearing. Anyway, the reason a sword-sworn would probably not be chosen is the same reason a sword-sworn would probably not become a shaman: they already serve the goddess in a different way. Second, regarding the Tayledras, there are several reasons why a Tayledras might be more elligeble to be chosen than say a Karsite (Alberich) or a Rethwellan (Kero, the prince-consort). First, as I stated above, they share a common godess, though they may not realize it. Alberich worshipped a completely different god (no different facet here) who, if I interpret it correctly, didn't want to war against the godess's people. Also, Valdemar is considered a clan, of sorts (k'Valdemar), complete with vale, heartstone, and Adepts. Who knows? More Tayledras might move to Valdemar seeking something different (as Andesha left the Shin'a'in for the Tayledras) and some of them are bound to be suitable to be chosen. As those who have read BTS might recall, a companion didn't just trot into Rethwellan and inform Kero she was a herald, it wasn't until she was in Valdemar for a bit that she was chosen. Companions have maintained several secrets and misconceptions about themselves, such as the secret that they can mind-speak to anyone they wish, the fact that they are mages of a sort, the fact that they are 'recycled' herald souls, and the misconception that they 'are' horse-like beings. One could easily imagine a gryphon with, say, a companion in the form of a hawk. Hope I haven't pissed anyone off! ___________________ -==UDIC==- ________________ |\__________________\ McCaffrey's White Dragon |\________________\ ||Why is he talking | || | || to that | a.k.a. || Don't ask. | || White Coconut? | Jake Gipple \|________________| \|__________________| (360)-887-4779 LEMUR! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 11:57:50 -0800 (PST) From: McCaffrey's White Dragon To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: re- ROCKY Message-ID: On Tue, 30 Jan 1996, Rosario Holsen-Baker wrote: > McCaffrey's White Dragon said something about whuggles. > > What in the nine Shin'a'in hells are whuggles? > > |--------------------------------<>------------------------------| > | He screams and screams and pounds his head against the wall until | > | wailing phantom firetrucks paces across his vision. | > | PAIN. PAIN IS ALL HE WANTS: We shall never forget and never forgive. | > | AND NEVER EVER FEAR | > |FEAR IS FOR THE ENEMY FEAR AND BULLETS | > |-----------------------http://www.sidwell.edu/~rholsen------------------| > Telnet to weyr.udic.org 9020 and you'll soon find out! ___________________ -==UDIC==- ________________ |\__________________\ McCaffrey's White Dragon |\________________\ ||Why is he talking | || | || to that | a.k.a. || Don't ask. | || White Coconut? | Jake Gipple \|________________| \|__________________| (360)-887-4779 LEMUR! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 11:07:25 -0800 (PST) From: McCaffrey's White Dragon To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Cat People? Message-ID: On Tue, 30 Jan 1996, Mary Temple wrote: > At 03:33 AM 01/29/96 GMT, you wrote: > >Isn't "Cat People" almost an oxymoron? > > Yes, or so my two cats tell me. :) That's why I haven't joined. :) > > >Whatever happened to "I am the Cat walks alone" etc? (though I haven't seen > >Kipling quoted yet on the list so perhaps he's not quite de rigeur). > > Uhm, excuse me?? I have that quote in my .sig file. Not reading sigs, eh? :) > > > >ObMisty: Anyone noticed how we haven't seen an intelligent race based > >on Cats yet? (I exclude Firecats because they're not a normal race as such > >and may not even breed.) We've seen the Equine genus, the deer (scientific > >name anyone?), lupines (Kyree) and avians (Tervadi) as well as a few others, > >but no feline genus per se. > > Yep, I've noticed. And it annoys me. Cats are more intellignet than humans. > :) There SHOULD be an intelligent feline race. :) > > >Cheers, > >Kerry. > > > /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ > Mary Temple I am the cat who walks by Himself, > NoxCat and all places are alike to me. > Catriona Rowley - Rudyard Kipling > > I believe that housecats are extremely intelligent beings who only rarely allow humans a hint of this as humans are by far an inferior species. At least, that's what my siamese told me. ___________________ -==UDIC==- ________________ |\__________________\ McCaffrey's White Dragon |\________________\ ||Why is he talking | || | || to that | a.k.a. || Don't ask. | || White Coconut? | Jake Gipple \|________________| \|__________________| (360)-887-4779 LEMUR! ------------------------------ End of MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 341 *********************************