MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 345 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Other races by David Stamm 2) Re: Non-human heralds by David Stamm 3) Re: LoB vs. LiB: specifically Roald by Rosario Holsen-Baker 4) Re: LoB vs. LiB: specifically Roald by Catherine Osborne 5) Re: Eddings by Rosario Holsen-Baker 6) Re: Lovebonds vs. Lifebonds by be248-+AT+-scn.org (SCN User) 7) Re: Eddings name floundering by Mat Timmerman 8) Re: An entirely BRAND NEW thread... by Mat Timmerman 9) an aside by McCaffrey's White Dragon 10) Re: Tanya Huff (was: Re: Need a Good Read w/Heroines by Mat Timmerman 11) Sun & Shadow by "Winterwind" 12) Re: Kethry in Rethwellan by Korendil 13) Re: Cat People? by Korendil 14) Re: Cat People? by Korendil 15) Re: Lovebonds vs. Lifebonds by Stormcloud 16) magewar by Stormcloud 17) Re: "Recycling" of herald's souls by Lord Wurm 18) Re: Dojos? by Lord Wurm 19) Re: Dojos? by Lord Wurm 20) Re: Lovebonds vs. Lifebonds by ps9562-+AT+-wheeler.northland.edu 21) Re: T. Huff by SariKr-+AT+-aol.com 22) Re: Dojos? (sort of) by mealink-+AT+-syd.au.swissbank.com (Kerry Mealing) 23) Re: Lovebonds vs. Lifebonds by mealink-+AT+-syd.au.swissbank.com (Kerry Mealing) 24) Re: Dojos? by mealink-+AT+-syd.au.swissbank.com (Kerry Mealing) 25) Re: Mindspeech, was re: lifebonds vs. lovebonds. by Anne Cross 26) Re: Lovebonds vs. Lifebonds by Becky Anne Christensen ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 31 Jan 96 14:33:58 EST From: David Stamm To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Other races Message-ID: <9601311936.AA25992-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk> Somehow a deathsteed and companion just don't seem to be in the same class. Which would you pick? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jan 96 14:38:28 EST From: David Stamm To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Non-human heralds Message-ID: <9601311947.AA26656-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk> Ok on the discussion of non-human heralds- Why not? I think some rather broad sweeping generalizations are being flung around here. After all the contact between Valdemar and the majority of other non-humans was EXTREMELY scarce befor the ambasidorial (sp) delegation in WoF. I just don't think it has come up. Plus nobody ever said that the hertasi were only servants (even thought they were _Cr for that purpose). Their minds may simply not work along those lines. This conce is a little strange because we as *real people* have never run into someone who' mind wasn't organized in the same manner as ours. The same thing kind of goes for the Taleydras, i mean they have also had little contact with Heralds (in gen . I'm sure that if the goddess thought it was neccesary then she would have don But, why completely alter someone's lifestyle like that uneccesarily. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 14:55:14 -0500 (EST) From: Rosario Holsen-Baker To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: LoB vs. LiB: specifically Roald Message-ID: Starhawk wrote: > >> Roald & his consort (I can't remember the name and I don't have > >> my books. They're 500 miles away and stay so for the next five months.) > > > > Roald didn't have a consort, did he? If that's Randale, yep, he > >was lifebonded too. If it's not, who the bloody heck's the consort? > > He HAD to have a consort, you silly goose! Where would Selenay's > father have come from if he didn't? :) > Nonononononono!! I mean, at that point in time. We never learned who Roald's consort was. Did we? |--------------------------------<>------------------------------| | He screams and screams and pounds his head against the wall until | | wailing phantom firetrucks paces across his vision. | | PAIN. PAIN IS ALL HE WANTS: We shall never forget and never forgive. | | AND NEVER EVER FEAR | |FEAR IS FOR THE ENEMY FEAR AND BULLETS | |-----------------------http://www.sidwell.edu/~rholsen------------------| ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 15:11:00 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine Osborne To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: LoB vs. LiB: specifically Roald Message-ID: On Wed, 31 Jan 1996, Starhawk wrote: > >> Roald & his consort (I can't remember the name and I don't have > >> my books. They're 500 miles away and stay so for the next five months.) > > > > Roald didn't have a consort, did he? If that's Randale, yep, he > >was lifebonded too. If it's not, who the bloody heck's the consort? > > He HAD to have a consort, you silly goose! Where would Selenay's > father have come from if he didn't? :) No, he had to have a lover. A *consort* has to be a Herald. That's different from a marriage to a non-Herald or having a lifebonded or whatever. To be a consort (a co-ruler) you must meet two conditions: you must be married to the person who is already reigning, and you must be a full Herald. I\/ Catherine Osborne "After great pain, I\/ Sundancer a formal feeling comes." I cosborne-+AT+-sidwell.edu --Emily Dickinson I http://www.sidwell.edu/~cosborne/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 15:23:16 -0500 (EST) From: Rosario Holsen-Baker To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Eddings Message-ID: On Wed, 31 Jan 1996, Stormcloud wrote: > >>> Relg and Tabia, Garion and CeNedra, Mandorallan and whossername, > >Belgareth and > >>> thingy, Silk and whatsit, Lellodorin or whatever he's called and his babe, > >>> even Pol and Durnick - all the men become bemused shadows of their manly > >selves, > >> > >> Mandorallen and the Baroness E-somthing, Belgareth and Poledra, > >>Silk/Kheldar and Velvet/Lisellem Lelldorin and Ariana. > >> > >> Couldn't resist any longer! I've got every last one of those books! > >> > Eddings does that in all of his books. In the Elenium and the > Tamuli, too-- what stands out most in those books is Ehlana wrapping > Sparhawk around her little finger! > Alean and Kalten, Melidere and Stragen, Sephrenia managing Vanion, Danae and Talen.... :) I have all of those, too. |--------------------------------<>------------------------------| | He screams and screams and pounds his head against the wall until | | wailing phantom firetrucks paces across his vision. | | PAIN. PAIN IS ALL HE WANTS: We shall never forget and never forgive. | | AND NEVER EVER FEAR | |FEAR IS FOR THE ENEMY FEAR AND BULLETS | |-----------------------http://www.sidwell.edu/~rholsen------------------| ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 13:03:36 -0800 From: be248-+AT+-scn.org (SCN User) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Lovebonds vs. Lifebonds Message-ID: <199601312103.NAA28896-+AT+-scn.org> Well, I'm weighing in for a lifebond too. I tend not to trust easily and when I give my trust I don't want the person to disappear. I like stability... I don't know whether I'd be the stable partner or not, it would depend on the other half... Just my thoughts... Zhai'helleva, Herald Briana -- Herald Briana Kestyl wc814-+AT+-freenet.victoria be248-+AT+-scn.org HeraldBria-+AT+-aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 16:04:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Mat Timmerman To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Eddings name floundering Message-ID: <01I0NZGPMZMQQRXAL0-+AT+-vaxc.hofstra.edu> From: Hollie Virgin > >Jaguar wrote (in response to EE's desperately trying to recall couple-names) > >>Mandorallen and the Baroness E-somthing, Belgareth and Poledra, >>Silk/Kheldar and Velvet/Lisellem Lelldorin and Ariana. > >Baroness Nerina. :) I've got them all too...except the most recent... > If you like Eddings, get _Belgarath the Sorcerer_! It fills in a lot of the blanks in the prehistory of the Belgariad. Mat accmjt-+AT+-vaxc.hofstra.edu http://ada.hofstra.edu/~mtimme47/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 16:05:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Mat Timmerman To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: An entirely BRAND NEW thread... Message-ID: <01I0NZK1V7M0QRXAL0-+AT+-vaxc.hofstra.edu> From: Starhawk > >Actually, it's just a question, but I wanted to get y'all's >attention. I asked this about a year ago, but things may have >changed since then. Does anyone out there know of a David Eddings >discussion list something like this Misty list? AFAIK, the only Eddings group is the newsgroup, alt.fan.eddings. Mat accmjt-+AT+-vaxc.hofstra.edu http://ada.hofstra.edu/~mtimme47/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 13:24:24 -0800 (PST) From: McCaffrey's White Dragon To: Mercedes List Lackey Subject: an aside Message-ID: >From mealink-+AT+-syd.au.swissbank.comWed Jan 31 12:06:55 1996 Date: Tue, 30 Jan 96 12:30:20 EST From: Kerry Mealing To: gipple-+AT+-clark.edu Subject: Re: Cat People? You wrote: > On Mon, 29 Jan 1996, Kerry Mealing wrote: > > Just a minor picky point that struck me.. > > > > ObMisty: Anyone noticed how we haven't seen an intelligent race based > > on Cats yet? (I exclude Firecats because they're not a normal race as such > > and may not even breed.) We've seen the Equine genus, the deer (scientific > > name anyone?), lupines (Kyree) and avians (Tervadi) as well as a few others, > > but no feline genus per se. > > (Hey, how about that, not only an ObMisty, but related to my main topic too > > - does that count for extra points?) :) > > > > BTW, if you're including companions in the list of intelligent races, > then you'll have to include firecats, as well. IIRC, in SWarning it was > revealed that companions were the 'recycled' souls of heralds just as > firecats are the 'recycled' souls of former Sons of the Sun. I believe it > was also stated that this is why there are so many more companions than > firecats. Yes, I was excluding companions, but as I said in a later post (which probably didn't arrive until after you'd sent this), I excluded firecats because to me, they didn't have the hallmarks of a true race. (A race being defined as a breeding population, which breeds true - there's no evidence that the firecats actually breed and some that suggests that they're more the equivalent of grove-born - ie they appear, rather than being born). I just included the above (with Kerry's permission) because it ties in with some theories I have about recycled souls, firecats, and companion-born, as opposed to grove-born, companions. First of all, I want to point out again the statement that there are so many more companions than firecats because there have been far more heralds than Sons of the Sun. My main point in restating this is to establish the great number of herald souls. I have a couple of theories about grove-born companions. First, I believe that they too are recycled souls. I just think that they are similar to the Vorcelhawk avatars of the Shin'a'in and Tayledras (and, as I stated in a previous post regarding non-human/non-Valdemaran heralds, the Valdemaran goddess (that is the one who is responsible for heralds, companions, and such) is the same one as the Shin'a'in/Tayledras goddess). Thus, the first grove-born companions who, since heralds, as such, hadn't 'occured' yet, couldn't have been herald souls, but might have been some other very deserving souls of the goddess's followers. Thus, Rolan might indeed be Roald . As I was writing this, a message came reminding me that, according to Vanyel, Gwenna, being grove-born, lacked human experience. Still, this might suggest that she was 'made' from some non-human soul or perhaps the process of such an extreme re-creation of person as being 'grove-reborn' could cause a loss of memories. Similarly, the goddess might just do it as a favor or a condition, of sorts. Now, as to why not all companions are grove-born. First of all, I should state that I believe that only a goddess or god her/his self can create an actual 'new' being (and before I get Urtho shoved down my throat) and purposefully instill it with a chosen soul (though the thought of Urtho deciding which soul he'd use this time is kinda funny, sorta like Dr. Frankenstein :) ). Now such a process of creation would require some concentration. Although the amount of concentration required of a goddess might not be much more than for us to pick up the phone (most of us, anyway), the number of heralds dying might be compared to the phone constantly ringing when one is, say, trying to write e-mail. Instead, maybe the goddess created or assigned beings to be 'clerks'. These clerks (or maybe just clerk) would 'meet' the departed's soul and ask if they wished to be reincarinated. I say ask because I doubt that the goddess would deny a servant their well-deserved rest unless the servant wished it so. The clerk would then arrange for a companion to be born, leaving the actual creation to the companions. In such a case, the companions may have been made so that the just-concieved companions don't get some new soul or draw from some other random pool of souls, but rather draw from a pre-determined pool of herald souls. It also just occured to me that Gwenna might not have been a soul, as such, new or not. She might indeed have been one of the goddess's servants, or something. Also, might it be possible that the 'Shadow Lover' that Van met was a 'specialised clerk'? As for firecats, it was stated, or at least implied, that Vkandis only uses the souls of his most devoted servants, the Sons of the Sun. Thus, the creation of firecats is not such a constant thing. Also, unlike heralds who are 'approved' by being chosen, the priesthood of Vkandis has no such garuntees as anyone with magical ability, regardless of suitability, was chosen and many priests obviously didn't act in the Sun Lord's interests. Regarding Tylendel, I think that, even thought he became 'unsuitable' (I think being un-chosen would definately signafy this) he was given a second chance because his rage had distorted his true self, or maybe it was just for Vanyel's sake. ___________________ -==UDIC==- ________________ |\__________________\ McCaffrey's White Dragon |\________________\ ||Why is he talking | || | || to that | a.k.a. || Don't ask. | || White Coconut? | Jake Gipple \|________________| \|__________________| (360)-887-4779 LEMUR! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 16:14:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Mat Timmerman To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Tanya Huff (was: Re: Need a Good Read w/Heroines Message-ID: <01I0NZLKNCWIQRXAL0-+AT+-vaxc.hofstra.edu> From: Rosario Holsen-Baker > >On Wed, 31 Jan 1996, Mat Timmerman wrote: > >> If you're talking about the Egyptian god in Blood Lines, Viki and Co. >> didn't really go up against him. They fought with his servant/High Priest. >> > As did Di. But they both had to face the Gods in the end. True. I had forgotten that, since I only read the Di books once, last summer, and I've just been reading the Viki books. Mat accmjt-+AT+-vaxc.hofstra.edu http://ada.hofstra.edu/~mtimme47/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 16:23:49 EDT From: "Winterwind" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Sun & Shadow Message-ID: <1E476616DF-+AT+-pub.sbu.edu> First things first ... potential "Storms" spoilers ... S P O I L E R S * * * * * * * On Wed. 1/31/96, Stormcloud writes: <> >I got the impression that at some point, Vkandis and Kalenel had been >consorts. It is mentioned in the V&H books that there is a god with >four facets (Rover, Guardian, Hunter, Guide) to go along with the >Star-Eyed. And somewhere in Storm Warning, one of the Sun-priests >mentions and old story about Vkandis having a consort. If this is >true, read or listen to the song Sun and Shadow from Heralds, >Harpers, & Havoc In it, *Sun*singer calls Shadowdancer "Star-eyed >maid beyond compare." Am I grasping for a connection here? Does >anyone else see it? Ooohhh, you're right.... I didn't catch the connection with Sunsinger and ShadowDancer. I think you've got something there, but I thought Sunsinger and ShadowDancer were supposed to be two of the first Heralds. Wouldn't it be something if they turned out to be Kalenal and Vkanis themselves instead?! The old song as a sort of allegory ... Some *did* mention Vkanis having a consort who'd "gotten lost" somewhere along the line. I'll have to look that up. <<$.02>>, Winterwind ---------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------Jill M. Morrison - morrisjm-+AT+-sbu.edu---------------- ----Journalism major/English minor at St. Bonaventure University------ ---------in Allegany, N.Y. - the snow capital of the world!----------- ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// "There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt -----of in your philosophy." - "Hamlet," Act 1.5, lines 175-176.----- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 15:31:29 -0600 From: Korendil To: "Misty List" Subject: Re: Kethry in Rethwellan Message-ID: <199601312131.PAA13620-+AT+-ns.cent.com> >My impression was that *reincarnated* Heralds appear as those Companions >who were born in Valdemar; since Rolan is a grove-born, I think that he >is indeed some spirit that manifested in Companion-shape and not a reborn H. >As a counterexample take Sayvil/Savil (did I get the names mixed up? I >was referring to Vanyel's aunt resp. Kero's Companion). IMO it was pretty >clear that Misty made that connection. >Blessings >Birgit* Argh..I hate to sound like Ye Olde Tyme Lite Memmbyr, but...gods...we've discussed this HOW many times now? We've agreed that yes, Herald + Shadow LOver = COmpanion, but Grove Born # Herald, Grove born = new spirit ;> OK..sorta hard to follow..but I'm too lazy;> Now, there IS evidence for this, and in fact we have a huge list of companions...some of which are: Savil/Sayvil Tantras/Tantris a whole bunch of others/a whole bunch of others ************ As I find I have no ASCII skill, I'm gonna do a hypercube instead... Till then: Korendil -+AT+- undermac ; rubin-+AT+-cent.com ***************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 15:31:33 -0600 From: Korendil To: "Misty List" Subject: Re: Cat People? Message-ID: <199601312131.PAA13631-+AT+-ns.cent.com> >Of course, there's the line from one of my favourite authors (Susan Dexter) >from Thomas, a wizards not-familiar (he'd be most insulted to be considered >a familiar) - "The affection of a cat is to be valued above the love of >thousands of mere humans." :) ..which reminds me of my favorite wuote from Tolkien...in Two Towers I think, about Shelob: "He called her his cat, yet she was his master not." ;> OK..so I probably got it wrong... Now..could some kind soul explain these groups? Cat people? TMIW? TLIG? aaaaaahhhh!;> ************ As I find I have no ASCII skill, I'm gonna do a hypercube instead... Till then: Korendil -+AT+- undermac ; rubin-+AT+-cent.com ***************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 15:31:41 -0600 From: Korendil To: "Misty List" Subject: Re: Cat People? Message-ID: <199601312131.PAA13644-+AT+-ns.cent.com> >The way I look at it is that the Companions are fertile, which means they >can have offspring, and are not dependent upon the god(goddess?) of >Valdemar for them to stick around. The firecats on the other hand, are >reincarnations of Sons of the Sun and they don't breed at all, so they're >not a true "species". :-) ouch. It says they can't breed? For siome reason I thought it was just the fact that they were more selective...only VIP..thats Priests, not People;>, got Fire Cats ************ As I find I have no ASCII skill, I'm gonna do a hypercube instead... Till then: Korendil -+AT+- undermac ; rubin-+AT+-cent.com ***************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 16:20:22 EST From: Stormcloud To: Subject: Re: Lovebonds vs. Lifebonds Message-ID: <31JAN96.17646844.0070.MUSIC-+AT+-SJUMUSIC> >Well. There has been some debate here. That scene can be interpreted two >ways: first, they are lifebonded and Stef's telling them it ain't no bed >of roses. Second, they're *not* and Stef's telling them they shouldn't >wish to be, they should be happy with what they are. Personally, I think >the evidence in that scene weighs towards the former. > >I\/ Catherine Osborne "After great pain, >I\/ Sundancer a formal feeling comes." >I cosborne-+AT+-sidwell.edu --Emily Dickinson >I http://www.sidwell.edu/~cosborne/ > I don't think Skif and Nyara are lifebonded. I think they're incredibly in love, but not lifebonded. I am of the opinion that Stef made that little speech (which I now feel compelled to go home and read over) to tell them to be happy with what they have. I mean, doesn't Skif say something about being envious of Talia and Dirk? If he was lifebonded to Nyara, he would know what it feels like and wouldn't be so envious. Stef tells him that a lovebond is harder to make work, and that they have to put more effort into it, especially considering Nyara's looks. (At least, that's what I got from it. :> ) -+AT+->--- Stormcloud Moon the Misty Maniac Prism wilsonj-+AT+-sjumusic.stjohns.edu Power! O blood, blood, blood! -Othello ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 17:08:06 EST From: Stormcloud To: Subject: magewar Message-ID: <31JAN96.18505923.0128.MUSIC-+AT+-SJUMUSIC> Storm ducks magebolts to request that Jaguar and the Shadow-lover take this off-list to private e-mail. This is a polite request, not a hostile one, I just wish to point out that I have to wade through your mage-war messages every morning. -+AT+->--- Stormcloud Moon the Misty Maniac Prism wilsonj-+AT+-sjumusic.stjohns.edu Power! O blood, blood, blood! -Othello ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 17:48:10 -0600 From: Lord Wurm To: Subject: Re: "Recycling" of herald's souls Message-ID: <199601312348.RAA00907-+AT+-ns1.computek.net> >Btw, does anybody remember the names of Yfandes' children/foals(?) ? I >haven't read MPrice yet (shame) and am wondering if they're mentionend >ever after (and o.c. if there's any hint whether they were reborns or not). i just recently finished MPrice... don't remember any mention of them at all... \||||||/ - - 0 0 / - o00o o00o ::| ::| ::| ::| ::::::\ ::::\ ::::| ::| ::| ::| ::| ::| :/ ::| ::/ ::| ::| ::| ::| ::| :::::\ ::| ::| ::| ::| ::| ::| ::| ::| ::| ::| ::| ::::::::/ ::::::/ ::| ::| ::| ::| "Hark! Quoth the raven. Nevermore...Nevermore..." -Ash sandwurm-+AT+-computek.net ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 18:11:41 -0600 From: Lord Wurm To: Subject: Re: Dojos? Message-ID: <199602010011.SAA01086-+AT+-ns1.computek.net> >I'm wondering. Does anyone here practice martial arts? (Mel?) And since >someone brought this up, does anyone know a good place to get teaching in >Tae-Kwon-Do and Tai-chi in the Portland OR/Vancouver WA area in the US? I did 5 or 6 years of Tae Kwon Do and just quit a couple months ago after getting my black belt.. kinda got boring;> nfi where you could find to take... \||||||/ - - 0 0 / - o00o o00o ::| ::| ::| ::| ::::::\ ::::\ ::::| ::| ::| ::| ::| ::| :/ ::| ::/ ::| ::| ::| ::| ::| :::::\ ::| ::| ::| ::| ::| ::| ::| ::| ::| ::| ::| ::::::::/ ::::::/ ::| ::| ::| ::| "Hark! Quoth the raven. Nevermore...Nevermore..." -Ash sandwurm-+AT+-computek.net ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 18:11:53 -0600 From: Lord Wurm To: Subject: Re: Dojos? Message-ID: <199602010011.SAA01116-+AT+-ns1.computek.net> > >Misty-related content: hmm, it always did annoy me that we never see any >Heralds who are in anything less than the peak of physical fitness (unless >they're actually injured). Yes, OK, if I did physical training every day for >five years before becoming a Herald, I would probably not be the shape I am >now, but couldn't we see just one fat Herald sometime? One Herald who was >out of shape and not because they were injured or old? One Herald who >actually >didn't _like_ physical exercise? (The gods know that _I_ don't, I find it >monumentally boring.) if they're too lazy for excercise they'd probably be too lazy to be a very good herald and therefore aren't chosen... \||||||/ - - 0 0 / - o00o o00o ::| ::| ::| ::| ::::::\ ::::\ ::::| ::| ::| ::| ::| ::| :/ ::| ::/ ::| ::| ::| ::| ::| :::::\ ::| ::| ::| ::| ::| ::| ::| ::| ::| ::| ::| ::::::::/ ::::::/ ::| ::| ::| ::| "Hark! Quoth the raven. Nevermore...Nevermore..." -Ash sandwurm-+AT+-computek.net ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 17:37:59 -0600 From: ps9562-+AT+-wheeler.northland.edu To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Lovebonds vs. Lifebonds Message-ID: <34D00E87032-+AT+-wheeler.northland.edu> > > But it's weird to think that > >most of her hero-heroines are lifebonded. Besides Kero, I can't think of > >any body else that the books were about that wasn't lifebonded. > > Way to go Bex - just wait for those snowballs, coconuts, raspberries, > assorted no-no's to hit. No, no, I'm not going to join in, - well maybe just > one, if you insist: > > Elspeth and Darkwind? > > > (Sorry about the Bex, my niece is a confirmed and comitted Bex, so it sort of > sits easy in my head) > > tot ziens > Esmeralda Evensbane > What about Nyara and Skif? I don't believe they lifebonded. "Without darkness there can be no light" Stacey ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 20:45:55 -0500 From: SariKr-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: T. Huff Message-ID: <960131204554_411674419-+AT+-mail02.mail.aol.com> In a message dated 96-01-31 00:13:22 EST, you write: >On Mon. 1/29, Stormcloud wrote: > >>Vicki Nelson and Di Tregarde are a similar type of heroine. >>Although I must admit the vampires stole the show for me in both >>series. Andre LeBrel and Henry Fitzroy. Oh, did >>anyone else catch the Misty reference, it was either in the second >>or third book, someone refers to police detectives Lackey and Dixon? >>I though that was cute! Gee, it's nice to know that I am not the only one affected by Andre and Henry. Now only if I could find their doubles.............. Lill Magic is a state of mind and one shouldn't have to see to believe ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Feb 96 13:47:11 EST From: mealink-+AT+-syd.au.swissbank.com (Kerry Mealing) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Dojos? (sort of) Message-ID: <9602010247.AA10449-+AT+-syd.au.swissbank.com> Esmeralda wrote: > word | meaning > ============================================== > ObMisty | Obligatory Misty related comment, designed to give the post at least a nodding acquaintance with the rumoured subject of the mailing list. I think I developed the habit from the Amber list, or the pratchett newsgroup. Misty | The common nickname for Mercedes Lackey. :) :) I'm not good at acronyms, so these are here're the meanings rather than here're the exact words. > MUSH | Multi-User Shared Hallucination. > MUD | Multi-User Dungeon There, that clarified everything.. not.. :) They're on-line roleplaying environments that people can telnet (attach) to and roleplay various characters. MUSH's tend to emphasize roleplaying and more consensual stuff (the people playing the characters agree, or have ways of agreeing about what happens) whereas MUD's tend to be more hack & slash. (Hack & Slash is a technical term for the knee-jerk reaction: "It moved? I'll kill it."). Somewhat of a simplification, but not too far off for a first approximation IMHO. (For those who don't know what roleplaying is, Seanna posted a very good introduction a while back.. check the archives for it. No, I don't remember how to get to the archives offhand, but it's in the FAQ, which I do have somewhere). > filk | Not entirely sure.. Folk rock music? (Celtic rock type stuff?) Cheers, Kerry. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Feb 96 13:52:48 EST From: mealink-+AT+-syd.au.swissbank.com (Kerry Mealing) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Lovebonds vs. Lifebonds Message-ID: <9602010252.AA10469-+AT+-syd.au.swissbank.com> Sundancer wrote: > On Wed, 31 Jan 1996 TSALE-+AT+-ups.edu wrote: > > I agree with the list of non-lifebonded with one HUGE exception. > > > > Skif & Nyra > > > > Did I totally missinterpret the scene in the last MAge Winds book? Ghost > > Stefan pulled Skif and Nyra aside and talked about the difficulties of a > > lifebond? If the judgement of who a lifebonded pair is has to come from > > outside the pair, a judgement from a spirtual half of a nother lifebond > > would certainly seem to qualify. > > Well. There has been some debate here. That scene can be interpreted two > ways: first, they are lifebonded and Stef's telling them it ain't no bed > of roses. Second, they're *not* and Stef's telling them they shouldn't > wish to be, they should be happy with what they are. Personally, I think > the evidence in that scene weighs towards the former. If we're voting (what is this mania with voting & polling I wonder), I'd suggest that the evidence seriously suggests that they aren't life- bonded. But YMMV. (Whoopee! A new acryonym! From roleplaying lists again, meaning -your mileage may vary-, original reference was to a very loosely worded car advertisement. Currently understood to mean "this is how I see it, but form your own opinions."). Cheers, Kerry. - D'y'know, I really don't have that in a sig.. it's programmed into my fingers now such that I don't think I could finish a mail without them typing it automatically.. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Feb 96 13:57:33 EST From: mealink-+AT+-syd.au.swissbank.com (Kerry Mealing) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Dojos? Message-ID: <9602010257.AA10754-+AT+-syd.au.swissbank.com> Mel wrote: > Misty-related content: hmm, it always did annoy me that we never see any > Heralds who are in anything less than the peak of physical fitness (unless > they're actually injured). Yes, OK, if I did physical training every day for > five years before becoming a Herald, I would probably not be the shape I am > now, but couldn't we see just one fat Herald sometime? One Herald who was > out of shape and not because they were injured or old? One Herald who actually > didn't _like_ physical exercise? (The gods know that _I_ don't, I find it > monumentally boring.) Unless they weren't in the field (a caveat on that in a minute), I don't think you *would* see a fat Herald, at least, not for long. Misquoting here, but there would be fat heralds and old Heralds, but not fat old Heralds. Even Heralds who were nominally not required to be on field duty would be aware that they might be called to it at any time (eg in war conditions). Even I might pay a bit more attention to physical conditioning if my life routinely depended on it. (Actually, more likely, if I were a mind-speaking Herald, I'd be more inclined to be practicing controlling attackers to stop them in their tracks.) Physical exercise You haven't seen boring until you swim 2k in a somewhat cold pool around sunrise every morning. Talk about throwing yourself into an alpha mind-state. Cheers, Kerry. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 22:33:22 -0500 (EST) From: Anne Cross To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Mindspeech, was re: lifebonds vs. lovebonds. Message-ID: Cindy says: > So what are the limits of Mindspeech? I _still_ think Kero and Eldan > are doing something extraordinary when they communicate that far. I > have to grant that it isn't a lifebond if we get that information from > Misty, because she is the "observer/creator" and makes the rules. But > that doesn't stop me from chewing on the nut... Agreed. I'm willing to say that they're not really MindSpeaking -- remember, among other things, they dream that they're *touching* each other! Now when in Mindspeech does that ever show up? Here's my theory: Remember what happens to Van when he sees Tylendel for the last time, right after he's had sex with Stefen? 'Fandes tells him he's "In Dreaming" IIRC. I think what these two particular madly-in-love Heralds are doing is Dreaming to each other - and that's how they're communicating. Of course, this doesn't answer the "that's not fair" that Kero hears when she's thinking that Selenay has a stupid prejudice against hiring mercs, but it answers some of it. The other possibility is, of course, the fact that Kero's love is generating a heck of a lot of energy -- remember, emotion is referred to as power all over the place, so it's possible that that much love is giving her the power to reach that far. Neither Van nor Savil were in love with the people they MindSpoke to. Windbraid, aka... ____________________________________________________________________________ | Anne Cross | "How many witches does it take | | juniper-+AT+-fledge.watson.org | to change a lightbulb?" | | http://www.watson.org/~juniper/ | "What do you want to change it into?" | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 20:02:32 -0800 (PST) From: Becky Anne Christensen To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Lovebonds vs. Lifebonds Message-ID: On Tue, 30 Jan 1996 dbackhau-+AT+-isou10.estec.esa.nl wrote: > Becky wrote: > > > Actually, the correct line is that lifebonds are rare among > >heralds and rarer still among the general population. I made the same > >mistake a while back, and looked it up. There are many Heralds, and only > >having 2 lifebonded couples is pretty rare. > > Yeah, but what couples - the Monarch and the Monarchs Own no less (in Winds) > the Monarch and sort of stand-in Monarch's Own (in Magic) - maybe being > important helps?? > > > But it's weird to think that > >most of her hero-heroines are lifebonded. Besides Kero, I can't think of > >any body else that the books were about that wasn't lifebonded. > > Way to go Bex - just wait for those snowballs, coconuts, raspberries, > assorted no-no's to hit. No, no, I'm not going to join in, - well maybe just > one, if you insist: > > Elspeth and Darkwind? > > (Sorry about the Bex, my niece is a confirmed and comitted Bex, so it sort of > sits easy in my head) > tot ziens > Esmeralda Evensbane Okay, Elspeth and Darkwind didn't have alifebond, but it is a pretty strong lovebond. Anyways, so I wasn't thinking properly. Now that I think about it some more, Tarma certainly wasn't lifebonded, and I don't think Keth was. So maybe most of them aren't, but a good number of them are. I don't mind about the Bex, it doesn't bother me at all. People at school call me lots of things. (:*BECKY*:) +--------------------+ |BLACK KNIGHT | | I'm invincible! | |KING ARTHUR | | You're a looney.| +--------------------+ ------------------------------ End of MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 345 *********************************