MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 351 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Lammas Night by Tammy Harris 2) Re: Sun and Shadow by Stormcloud 3) Re: Lammas Night by Stormcloud 4) Re: Watching (was Re: Cat People?) by Starlight-+AT+-eden.rutgers.edu 5) Re: Cat People? by Stormcloud 6) Re: All MOCs the same one? by jc-+AT+-crosfield.co.uk (Jerry Cullingford) 7) Re: Jaguar Magewar: Was Re: YKYBRTMMLW: by Gyrfalcon 8) Re: Jaguar Magewar: Was Re: YKYBRTMMLW: by Tammy Harris 9) Re: Kethry in Rethwellan by Tammy Harris 10) Re: non-Valdemaran heralds by Tammy Harris 11) Mage-duel spectators by Rosario Holsen-Baker 12) Re: Names/ Free Bards by Stormcloud 13) Re: Names by Judy Hart 14) apologies and other stuff by Birgit Hanel 15) Hertasi by Heather Watson 16) Re: Lovebonds vs. Lifebonds (sticky ropes) by Birgit Hanel 17) Re: Rolan's conversational habits (was: Re: Neave by Rosario Holsen-Baker 18) New Thread Re: Stefan by Heather Watson 19) bits and pieces by EGLESTON-+AT+-bpl.org 20) Ghervase the Lizard Wizard by Heather Watson 21) Re: Fwd: Take this seriously-Aids project (fwd) by McCaffrey's White Dragon 22) Re: Cat People? by McCaffrey's White Dragon 23) The Ones in Black by "Katherine M. Brielmaier" 24) Re: new companions by McCaffrey's White Dragon 25) Re: Lovebonds vs. Lifebonds by McCaffrey's White Dragon 26) Re: Lammas Night by Joan Ferguson ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 02 Feb 1996 09:15:08 -0500 From: Tammy Harris To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Lammas Night Message-ID: On Fri, Feb 2, 'Reesa Raennsyr wrote: > Anybody but me gotten hold of "In Celebration Of Lammas > Night" yet? Bought it two days ago and I just finished > it. I was this close to buying the book, but I decided to wait. I'm glad you mentioned it was good--I'll have to run out and get it! > Please tell me someone else went out and got this > book!!!!! Otherwise I may have to afmit that I have no life... > Life? What's that? Oh--you mean that time between one book and the next. : ) Tammy "It's time to ask yourself what you believe" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Feb 1996 09:11:13 EST From: Stormcloud To: Subject: Re: Sun and Shadow Message-ID: <02FEB96.09922065.0040.MUSIC-+AT+-SJUMUSIC> >About Vkandis having a consort.... I think somewhere in Arrows of the >Queen when Talia is threatened with being packed off to a nunnery there >is mention of the Holderkin god having a submissive female consort. Since >the Holderkin were originally refugees from Karse could this be Vkandis' >female equivalent? Not sure about this though, could all be a figment of >my imagination. > Kate That makes sense. Although since the Star-Eyed is anything but sub- missive! This Holderkin goddess reflects their own views of women. I forget who asked. . . Sunsinger and Shadowdancer weren't early Heralds although they are mentioned in the song Windrider Unchained as the two who helped Windrider escape. I'm still not sure if Sunsinger calling Shadowdancer "Star-eyed maid" is a reference to Kalenel or just a romantic lyric. Although it makes sense-- Sunsinger= Vkandis Sun God. And we all know Kalenel's sworn warriors were black. Shadowdancer. But if this is so, are they free now? It seems silly that your goddess can't do a damn thing during the day, or you god can't function at night. -+AT+->--- Stormcloud Moon the Misty Maniac Prism wilsonj-+AT+-sjumusic.stjohns.edu Power! O blood, blood, blood! -Othello ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Feb 1996 09:20:24 EST From: Stormcloud To: Subject: Re: Lammas Night Message-ID: <02FEB96.10087460.0040.MUSIC-+AT+-SJUMUSIC> > Anybody but me gotten hold of "In Celebration Of Lammas >Night" yet? Bought it two days ago and I just finished it. Other >than this one story (had something to do with pigs...) I thought >it was worth reading all the way through, and hey, it came out >in paperback, so ya' can't beat the price. > Best of all, it has the full text of the song in the >front of the book (I finally know what the ghost is saying in >the background!), and most of the stories aren't at all what you'd >expect. > Please tell me someone else went out and got this >book!!!!! Otherwise I may have to afmit that I have no life... > > 'Reesa Raennsyr > mrtmh-+AT+-primenet.com I don't have it yet, but I want to get it! I love that song. (Thanks, Jake :> ) Oh, write me soon, 'Reesa-- love you! XOXOXO -+AT+->--- Stormcloud Moon the Misty Maniac Prism wilsonj-+AT+-sjumusic.stjohns.edu Power! O blood, blood, blood! -Othello ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Feb 96 9:41:20 EST From: Starlight-+AT+-eden.rutgers.edu To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Watching (was Re: Cat People?) Message-ID: can I watch too? ************************************************ * Contact Starlight at debeng-+AT+-eden.rutgers.edu * ************************************************ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Feb 1996 09:33:34 EST From: Stormcloud To: Subject: Re: Cat People? Message-ID: <02FEB96.10324765.0040.MUSIC-+AT+-SJUMUSIC> > >> On Thu, 1 Feb 1996, Rosario Holsen-Baker wrote: >> >> > >> > Mage Wars: All right, all right, we'll take it to private. If >> > anyone else (Sundancer asked) wants to be in on the fight, send a >> > `watching' mail to the list and we can include you. :) > >Heck, why not.. Add me to the list too pretty please. :) >(I get far 'junkier' mail every day). >Apologies all for not sending directly to Jaguar, but I don't have her >email at hand. >(Side note - I still don't see why it should be taken off the list > considering its low volume compared to the number of posted questions > that are already answered in the FAQ. AFAIK, Mel hasn't issued a decree > on the subject. ) > >Cheers, >Kerry. I'm rather outnumbered here, hmmm? (Oh, Rynath? My lone supporter? Gone to Ithaca! :o) I surrender. . . I apologize for bugging you to take it off list. Do forgive the newbie. . . haven't quite finished my Adept training yet. Stormcloud k'Treva shena Vyusher'edras. "Don't ask, Robin. . . just don't ask!" --Maid Marian and her Merry Men ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 14:38:45 +0000 (GMT) From: jc-+AT+-crosfield.co.uk (Jerry Cullingford) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: All MOCs the same one? Message-ID: <9602021438.AA18260-+AT+-crosfield.co.uk> Esmeralda writes: > But I thought the MO companion was always the same - never ages, pops > of out for another MO when the previous encumbant (encumbent??) dies, > and skips around the Grove to re-emerge all sparkly fresh and new when > someone has the temerity to top it? I re-read the beginning of Arrows > (that wondrous source of info) and got the impression that it was the > same soul/spirit all the time - matbe not eh? So, if Rolan were to > be killed, the new companion will be Rolan ..... no?? No - or at least, I don't think so :-). I can't think of anything in the text that implies it's the same one going round again - It *could* be, but that implies a distasteful level of deception if the MO survived - and generally as well, now I come to think of it. My preferred theory - (and that's all it is - there's no textual support either way) - is that MOCs are some sort of senior guardian spirits, and that the *reason* why they're immortal is simply to keep the succession obvious (and reduce the number of grove gating sessions). By being the Companion of the previous MO, it makes it more obvious that the succeeding MO has been chosen by the MOC, and not by political wheeler-dealing... comments anyone? -- _|_ / | Jerry Cullingford jc-+AT+-crosfield.co.uk (Work) \_|_ jc-+AT+-selune.demon.co.uk (Home) \__/ Hemel Hempstead, UK jerry-+AT+-shell.portal.com (alternate) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 09:51:15 -0500 (EST) From: Gyrfalcon To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Jaguar Magewar: Was Re: YKYBRTMMLW: Message-ID: On Fri, 2 Feb 1996, Rosario Holsen-Baker wrote: > Shadow-Lover wrote: > > A little sure of ourselves aren't we? I don't think I'll drop to that kind > > of boasting... ;) > > > Oh, come on. Lose a bit of your reserve and boast a bit. I won't > tell :) > > > For those following the magewar, this is an extension of Mistyism, fought by > > Misty's rules, under Misty's form of magic... For those not enjoying it, > > skip over it! It's not that hard to pass by the thread... For those that > > are having as much fun as I am, call winners now because you could be next! > > > > I wonder, does this qualify as a MUSH/MUD? Sort of? > > :Psst! Tammy! Shadow-Lover! Let's get Gyrfalcon and the Men In > White next!: You have to catch me first, but The Men in White are far game... Here's the address for their home office: The Men in White PO Box 32452 Chasmgap, Fl 45634 As for using me as a next possible target, I have my allies too. So I wouldn't suggest it. --Gyrfalcon =======================msowers-+AT+-menger.eecs.stevens-tech.edu=================== Magic still exists. We have only to reach out and touch it, it is a part of the very fabric of the world. When our belief of magic completely dies this universe shall die. Because that magic; Hope, Dreams, Love, Beauty, Wonder, Belief, and Discovery are what make us a people. They are all part of a great Art whose workings are still a mystery but whose applications can be seen every day. If we ever lose the Art mankind shall not last the day. Let the magic that is in us roam free in our work, play, in each other, and most of all in ourselves. Let it roam free or it will die. ============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Feb 1996 09:31:16 -0500 From: Tammy Harris To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Jaguar Magewar: Was Re: YKYBRTMMLW: Message-ID: On Fri, Feb 2, Jaguar wrote: > :Psst! Tammy! Shadow-Lover! Let's get Gyrfalcon and the Men In > White next!: > :You're on! The Ladies and I are ready! What do you say, Shadow-Lover?: Tammy "It's time to ask yourself what you believe" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Feb 1996 09:46:03 -0500 From: Tammy Harris To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Kethry in Rethwellan Message-ID: On Fri, Feb 2, Korendil wrote: > >I've been wondering about this. What/where is your proof that > >Grove- born Companions are new? > > One thing...when you said 'proof', you made me think I'm on trial.. Oh. Sorry. Really. I'm a science person--we want proof for everything! Tammy "It's time to ask yourself what you believe" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Feb 1996 09:40:39 -0500 From: Tammy Harris To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: non-Valdemaran heralds Message-ID: On Thurs, Feb 1, Heather Watson wrote: > The scene in Oathbreakers where Tarma's whites turn black is > interesting, and I think it relates to the earlier thread about Heralds > from outside the fair state of Valdemar. To my mind, it was the > Star-Eyed's way of reminding Tarma, who is, recall, her chosen warrior, > that no matter how well she got along with the Heralds and how common > their interests were, Tarma, as Kal'enedral, belonged first and foremost > to the service of the goddess in her Shin'a'in aspect. Actually, the Star-Eyed appeared in order to convince Tarma that she *could* and *should* trust the Herald. Tarma never wavered in her service to Her, and needed Her encouragement before starting on a path which didn't affect the Shin'a'in. > The goddess may be one goddess > everywhere and all that, Say what? Where does this come from? > But she > ain't no Herald; hence the significance of the Star-Eyed insisting she > wears the black of a Kal'enedral blood feud, not Herald whites. As has already been mentioned, I believe that this was the Star-Eyed's way of informing Tarma that Idra was dead, and she was back on blood-feud. Just my thoughts Tammy "It's time to ask yourself what you believe" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 11:01:12 -0500 (EST) From: Rosario Holsen-Baker To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Mage-duel spectators Message-ID: All right, that's it. It appears there aren't as many of you who say the mage duel is wasting bandwith as I thought. Mage-duel going back on the list, and whoever doesn't like it can challange the winner! :) About joining list fraternities and sororities :) write me for Cat People, write Tammy Harris for Ladies in Green, write Gyrfalcon for Men In White and Declan for Ones In Black...and speak up if you want to form a new one! |--------------<>----------------| | Sure. Fine. Whatever. | |----------------------------------------| ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Feb 1996 10:56:37 EST From: Stormcloud To: Subject: Re: Names/ Free Bards Message-ID: <02FEB96.11819352.0154.MUSIC-+AT+-SJUMUSIC> Jason writes: > Has anyone read the Free Bards books (4, so far) by Misty? > >Back the truck up here! 4 books? What's the fourth? I've only read >to Eagle and the Nightingale. Are you refering to "a Cast of >Corbies"? beep. . . beep. . . beep. . . beep "A Cast of Corbies" fits in somewhere between "The Robin and the Kestrel" and "The Eagle and the Nightingale". It's pretty good. You should read it! -+AT+->--- Stormcloud Moon the Misty Maniac Prism wilsonj-+AT+-sjumusic.stjohns.edu Power! O blood, blood, blood! -Othello ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 12:00:21 -0500 (EST) From: Judy Hart To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Names Message-ID: <199602021700.MAA19465-+AT+-service1.cc.uky.edu> At 03:55 PM 2/2/96 GMT, you wrote: > > Has anyone read the Free Bards books (4, so far) by Misty? And >if anyone has, did you catch this? > >Back the truck up here! 4 books? What's the fourth? I've only read >to Eagle and the Nightingale. Are you refering to "a Cast of >Corbies"? > >I see you shiver in antici....pation > >Jason > > The Lark & The Wren - Book 1 The Robin & The Kestrel - Book 2 The Eagle & The Nightingale - Book 3 (haven't read this yet, is it in paperback yet?) A Cast of Corbies is also a Free Bard book. Enjoy! - Judy (a relative newbie) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 18:51:05 +0100 (CET) From: Birgit Hanel To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: apologies and other stuff Message-ID: Heyla! First of all, my profoundest apologies to everybody on the list for forwarding that chain-letter (I should be old enough to recognize dumb chain-letters when I see them, mumble, mumble). Now you can tell with certainty that I'm a newbie! Seems that I subscribed right _ after_ Mel posted that good-behaviour-on-a-mailing-list thing (unfortunately); now I know better! (imagine several kotaus here...) Now that the question of Yfandes' offspring is answered, here's something else that puzzled me while checking MPromise: (Vanyel discovers Hawkbrother signatures of cleansing the land at Forst Reach, MPromise, at the End of chapter 3) IIRC, the waves of warping magical energy which occured when Ma'ar resp, Urtho's stronghold blasted (or got blasted? - where's a dictionary when I need one?!) emerged in circular form (rings?). So I suppose the land east of those points was warped as well. Wasn't it affected as badly as the western part (or did it recover all on it's own), or how else did it get cleansed, for there are certainly no Tayledras anywhere in the east? (IIRC from WoFate, at the crater/Dhorisha plains the Kaledain split up into Shin'a'in and Tayledras, the former going west, the latter going east, but that mustn't necessarily be correct.) Anybody out there who can come up with an explanation? And here's a third -and last, promised!- point (I know there's been some posts on a cat subject lately, so maybe this isn't quite so out of the order for this list): Have you ever considered dolphins as guardian spirits? I certainly do now, after recently hearing on the news that several dolphins rescued a man from drowning on the peruanian coast and taking him back to the coast. Fascinating! So the myths are true, after all. Bright times ahead (yes, it's candlemas/Lichtmess today!) Khenta* previously known as Birgit* ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Feb 1996 12:11:37 CST From: Heather Watson To: Subject: Hertasi Message-ID: <02FEB96.13169341.0069.MUSIC-+AT+-NEMOMUS> Didn't I read somewhere that hertasi get depressed and complain when they aren't able to fill the role of personal body-servants? Was that, maybe, in Storm Warning, or The Black Griffon? Those are books I haven't read as frequently, so I don't have reliable recall. Did I read that? If so, then being a servant is a hertasi's NATURE, not just her job, and implies that she would never want to be a Herald. And as we all know, if you don't want to be a Herald deep down, you'd make a lousy one and never be Chosen. Help me out: Did I read that? HTH ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 18:10:56 +0100 (CET) From: Birgit Hanel To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Lovebonds vs. Lifebonds (sticky ropes) Message-ID: On Thu, 1 Feb 1996, Sharleen Johnson wrote: > If looked at in this way, Misty's books would appeal to a > person perhaps a bit frustrated with the current world order (politics, > governmental disarray), lack of morals in society, lack of recognization > for those (such as themselves ;) who have special talents that they would > like to share, and, as in this thread topic- who feel a need for a true soul > mate to love and share everything with. Excuse me, but "lack of morals in society"? In a society where you're called a pervert and mentally ill when you love a specific person rather than a specific sex/gender? And sometimes the same persons who want to get you housed go ahead and abuse children or burn other peoples' houses, for that matter? I strongly disagree on that point. I don't think there's a lack of morals but there's too much of it and too much double-moral. Kids, it can be veeeery cold in this world, and a warm coat won't help you. Slightly shivering Khenta* previously known as Birgit* ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 12:23:51 -0500 (EST) From: Rosario Holsen-Baker To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Rolan's conversational habits (was: Re: Neave Message-ID: On Fri, 2 Feb 1996, Mat Timmerman wrote: > "Masters of All"? ;) Says the old-timer :) Sounds good. :) > > Talia does _so_ have some Mindspeech. Her Gifts are: Empathy (prime), > (Mind)Healing, Thoughtsensing, and FarSight. Ylsa says so in AotQ, > right before she takes Talia to see Dirk's Fetching class (where we > see Griffon in action). > So, where's the mindspeech? Thoughtsensing isn't Mindspeech or Mindhearing,it's just Thoughtsensing. > The only one who seems to remember Talia's Mindspeech :) Sure. Fine. Whatever. :) |--------------<>----------------| | Sure. Fine. Whatever. | |----------------------------------------| ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Feb 1996 12:52:39 CST From: Heather Watson To: Subject: New Thread Re: Stefan Message-ID: <02FEB96.13908006.0069.MUSIC-+AT+-NEMOMUS> All this talk about reincarnation has me thinking. Okay, when two people are actually the same person due to sharing a soul, they are still shaped by their environments and grow up to be oddly similar, yet still individual people, am I right? We can all agree on this? Otherwise, Vanyel wouldn't have been friends with Stefan for ages without NOTICING that he was exactly like Tylendel. But after death, those two (or more) personalities have to merge back into one -- in effect, the core soul, unshaped by experiences in the living world. Otherwise, there would be two "personalities" trying to be the same person roving around the afterlife. And that would just be odd. So my point is, the man that Vanyel ends up with is presumably NEITHER the Tylendel with whom he fell in love NOR the Stefan with whom he fell in love, but quite similar to both of them. Now, Stef had a rather rough childhood, which surely influenced his development and made him the man he became, in conjunction, naturally, with his soul. Does this mean that Stefan, as Vanyel knew him, is never to be seen again? That in fact death destroyed Stefan's identity and he lives on not as he was but only as he might have been? Isn't this kind of rough on poor Stef? Now, I'm not perfect, but I'd like to still be me after death, with all (or at least some) of the quirks, needs, and habits that I've develped over the years. Otherwise, I'd hardly be able to recognize myself. I would be, if you follow, someone that I never really was in life. Opinions, anyone? Did 'Lendel/Stef get gypped in the afterlife in payment for getting two gos at life proper? JUST WHO, EXACTLY, IS VANYEL SHACKING UP WITH OUT THERE IN THE FOREST OF SORROWS?? (Sorry about the grammer, but this has all been very hard on me. Maybe I need a nap.) HTH ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 13:55:53 -0500 (EST) From: EGLESTON-+AT+-bpl.org To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: bits and pieces Message-ID: <960202135553.173c-+AT+-bpl.org> Buncha short comments while I battle off this rotten cold... re: Firecats. Alison beat me to the punch in noting that all of them have been male so far. Honest, I hadn't seen her message yet! I don't know how Becky manages to answer the message right in front of her as I get everything 6 or 7 hours later. Just another case of Great Minds Think Alike.... :-> re: Lammas Night. Yep. Got it the night it appeared in the stores. re: Talia Mat pointed out that she has thoughtsensing. Is that the same as Mindspeech? IIRC MPawn implied that receiving and sending were two different gifts. re: Mindspeech/esp. Kero and Eldan. Mistfox suggested Dreamtime, Kerry offered a number of possibilities, including the notion that Mindspeech happens on specific frequencies. Combining them into one notion, I suggest that Mindspeech can bounce off of Dreamtime at night like some sort of mystical VanAllen belt (in the way that a.m. radio waves bounce, esp. at night.) re: fake heralds. EE suggested that someone might play at being a herald. Might be interesting to see a story where someone is trying so hard to be a Herald that they actually qualify. Savil said it's the caring heart that counts.... re: Mindspeech again/Rolan Maybe, since he's an avatar or whatever, he finds it easier to communicate with Companions than humans. Which leads into my next bit. There seems to be a bit of disagreement about whether all of the Monarch's Own Companions have been the same spirit all along. If Groveborn Companions are essentially experienceless, then the MOC would almost have to be the same spirit to avoid messing up the long term plans. But, (and here's another area of contention, based largely on the Firecats who are both "groveborn" and "reincarnated" if the MOC is a reincarnated spirit, then he could be more than one personality, possibly a limited number who play relay races whenever an MOC is killed. Shouldn't try to think past all this junk in my head. Even I get confused. Yoicks! and Away! Cindy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Feb 1996 12:59:07 CST From: Heather Watson To: Subject: Ghervase the Lizard Wizard Message-ID: <02FEB96.14024414.0069.MUSIC-+AT+-NEMOMUS> Nononono. Sorry, no disrespect intended, but the founder of the White Winds school (aka Ghervase the Lizard Wizard) was not a Hertasi at all, but an ACTUAL LIZARD, albeit sentient thanks to the accumulated weirdness in whatsit, the Pelagir Hills, there we go. It's in Oathbound. Or maybe Oathbreakers. Well, it's in the bloody song. Now, maybe it was all metaphor, and the songwriter saw a Pelagir Hills hertasi and said, "Hmm, a lizard." But I still maintain until proven definitively wrong that Ghervase was A LIZARD. It just makes the story that much more fun. Wait! Eureka, the longer I think about it the more sure I am. Ghervase threw pursuers off the track by convincing them he was just an ordinary lizard...which means he looked like an ordinary lizard. Dude was a lizard. HTH ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 11:16:13 -0800 (PST) From: McCaffrey's White Dragon To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Fwd: Take this seriously-Aids project (fwd) Message-ID: On Fri, 2 Feb 1996, Jay A. Howell wrote: > > ___________________ -==UDIC==- ________________ > > |\__________________\ McCaffrey's White Dragon |\________________\ > > ||Why is he talking | || | > > || to that | a.k.a. || Don't ask. | > > || White Coconut? | Jake Gipple \|________________| > > \|__________________| (360)-887-4779 LEMUR! > > > > > > >>From: mgelula-+AT+-uic.edu (Mark Gelula) > >>Subject: Fwd: Take this seriously-Aids project (fwd) > >> > >>Please read this to the end - M > >>>Return-Path: > > Thanks for the Chain Mail. Just another example of a > Newslist gone bad. > > Jay > > p.s. Doesn't anyone listen to what the Listmistress > Keeps saying?? > Sorry, I thought this idea had merrit. Also, I didn't realize that I'd reposted to the list. Sorry. ___________________ -==UDIC==- ________________ |\__________________\ McCaffrey's White Dragon |\________________\ ||Why is he talking | || | || to that | a.k.a. || Don't ask. | || White Coconut? | Jake Gipple \|________________| \|__________________| (360)-887-4779 LEMUR! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 11:18:16 -0800 (PST) From: McCaffrey's White Dragon To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Cat People? Message-ID: On Fri, 2 Feb 1996, Kerry Mealing wrote: > > > On Thu, 1 Feb 1996, Rosario Holsen-Baker wrote: > > > > > > > > Mage Wars: All right, all right, we'll take it to private. If > > > anyone else (Sundancer asked) wants to be in on the fight, send a > > > `watching' mail to the list and we can include you. :) > > Heck, why not.. Add me to the list too pretty please. :) > (I get far 'junkier' mail every day). > Apologies all for not sending directly to Jaguar, but I don't have her > email at hand. > (Side note - I still don't see why it should be taken off the list > considering its low volume compared to the number of posted questions > that are already answered in the FAQ. AFAIK, Mel hasn't issued a decree > on the subject. ) > > Cheers, > Kerry. > Wait a minute! There's a FAQ? Why wasn't I informed of this? ___________________ -==UDIC==- ________________ |\__________________\ McCaffrey's White Dragon |\________________\ ||Why is he talking | || | || to that | a.k.a. || Don't ask. | || White Coconut? | Jake Gipple \|________________| \|__________________| (360)-887-4779 LEMUR! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Feb 96 14:27:46 CST From: "Katherine M. Brielmaier" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: The Ones in Black Message-ID: <64066.brie0030-+AT+-gold.tc.umn.edu> Jason wrote: > >EXQUEEEZE ME ! I don't remember being used as a floor mop. >Does this mean that I am the only remaining One In Black? >Say it ain't so!!!! >To all the other groups Please don't wipe me out :- > Shannsu[sp???] [translation :- peace: Jennifer Roberson >The Cheysuli Chronicals] > >I see you shiver in antici....pation >Jason [ sobbing at being left alone] :( > *Suddenly ringing hoofbeats are heard in the distance. Soon, silhouetted against the setting sun, a horse and rider canter up and come to halt next to the hapless Jason. The rider dismounts, and appears to be wearing a heavy coat, boots, thick mittens, scarf and woolen hat, all in black [don't laugh, guys, it was 30 degrees below zero this morning!]. Advancing towards Jason, the rider unwraps all the gear, revealing a young woman, tall and thin, with short red hair and hazel eyes.* "Take heart, Jason. I have come to join The Ones In Black and help you in your fight." So how about it? Kaatje "Then something Tookish woke up inside him, and he wished to go and see the great mountains, and hear the pine-trees and the waterfalls, and explore the caves, and wear a sword instead of a walking-stick." Tolkien, _The Hobbit_ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 11:31:14 -0800 (PST) From: McCaffrey's White Dragon To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: new companions Message-ID: On Fri, 2 Feb 1996 dbackhau-+AT+-isou10.estec.esa.nl wrote: > > > >I've been wondering about this. What/where is your proof that > >Grove- born Companions are new? Is it when Vanyel told Elspeth > >(after he 'hijacked' Firesong's gate (WoC, I believe)) that Gwena was > >Grove-born, and so lacked experience? > > I have it ...WoFury, Vanyel: > > :...Be gentle on her, Elspeth; as Companions go - when compared to, say, Sayvil > - she is very, very young. No older than you, in fact. She makes all the kinds > of mistakes any young thing makes, but because she is Grove born , she thinks > she will always make the right decision.: > He shook his head. > :She forgets that she has _no_ (ML's emphasis) real human experience to base her > decisions on ..: > > Wow the heavy hints here for reincarnated heralds - Sayvil is old, (well, > chronologically not by that much surely - Kero is hardly in her dotage, and > Companions choose in their second decade, therefore, by implication, Sayvil > is older still), Gwenna has _no_ human experiences, implying that other > Companions do ... I missed all these first time around (well and second, third, > fourth .... until Storm Warning came and 'hinted' in flashing lights actually!!). > > tot ziens, > Esmeralda Evensbane > You know, after Quentin pointed out that Gwenna was some sort of guardian spirit, I just imagined them to be something like a 'highly-evolved' vrondi and was happy with that explaination even when hints otherwise were given. It took a Karsite's speculations to make me see otherwise. I wonder, are there some form of 'net-vrondi' keeping us from seeing what is obvious regarding companions just as the Valdemaran variety did with magic? ___________________ -==UDIC==- ________________ |\__________________\ McCaffrey's White Dragon |\________________\ ||Why is he talking | || | || to that | a.k.a. || Don't ask. | || White Coconut? | Jake Gipple \|________________| \|__________________| (360)-887-4779 LEMUR! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 11:43:22 -0800 (PST) From: McCaffrey's White Dragon To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Lovebonds vs. Lifebonds Message-ID: On Fri, 2 Feb 1996, Stormcloud wrote: > >> > The list of not-lifebonded people: > >> > > >> > Tarma & her dead boyfriend > > > >This brings up a good point, do life-bonds outlast life? It would seem as > >if Vanyel and Tylendel's life-bond lasted through Tylendel dying and > >being reborn as Stefan. Any thoughts? > > > > ___________________ -==UDIC==- ________________ > > |\__________________\ McCaffrey's White Dragon |\________________\ > > ||Why is he talking | || | > > || to that | a.k.a. || Don't ask. | > > || White Coconut? | Jake Gipple \|________________| > > \|__________________| (360)-887-4779 LEMUR! > > > Vanyel was a unique case in that he did not die when 'Lendel did. > Normally, when one half of a Lifebonded pair dies, the other does not > survive very long. They might very well outlast life, the lifebonds, > but we can't tell because you don't survive the death of your lifemate. > Just like Herlads and Companions don't survive the deaths of each other. > The impression I have been getting is that a lifebond is a similar kind > of bond as that between Herald and Companion: loss of the bond is > incredibly painful and normally results in death. > > > -+AT+->--- > Stormcloud Moon > the Misty Maniac Prism > wilsonj-+AT+-sjumusic.stjohns.edu Power! > > O blood, blood, blood! -Othello > Sortta like McCaffrey's dragons. ___________________ -==UDIC==- ________________ |\__________________\ McCaffrey's White Dragon |\________________\ ||Why is he talking | || | || to that | a.k.a. || Don't ask. | || White Coconut? | Jake Gipple \|________________| \|__________________| (360)-887-4779 LEMUR! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 15:02:15 -0500 From: Joan Ferguson To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Lammas Night Message-ID: <199602022002.PAA25374-+AT+-elmer.Harvard.EDU> > Anybody but me gotten hold of "In Celebration Of Lammas >Night" yet? Bought it two days ago and I just finished it. Other >than this one story (had something to do with pigs...) I thought >it was worth reading all the way through, and hey, it came out >in paperback, so ya' can't beat the price. > Best of all, it has the full text of the song in the >front of the book (I finally know what the ghost is saying in >the background!), and most of the stories aren't at all what you'd >expect. > Please tell me someone else went out and got this >book!!!!! Otherwise I may have to afmit that I have no life... > > 'Reesa Raennsyr Yup - got it last weekend. Its pretty good. Some of the stories are kinda weird (the pig one and the last one by Gael Baudino come to mind ...) but its an entertaining read, if not that deep :-) So, yes, 'Reesa, you do indeed have a life! Just a quick aside - thank you from the bottom of my literary heart, whomever recommended Guy Gavriel Kay not too long ago! I also spent the weekend reading all three books of the Fionavar Tapestry - the last one kept me up past midnight on Sunday and made me cry buckets ... wonderful writing and storytelling. I also enjoyed A Song for Arbonne - this guy sure knows how to tug at the heartstrings, doesn't he?! And, also, thank you (whomever) also for "The Gate to Women's Country" by Sherri Tepper - another excellent read. I've gotten the best book recommendations from yous guys - you're the greatest! :-) Joan (dealing with just turning 31 ... anyone out there have words of wisdom about being a "thirty-something"?!) joan_ferguson-+AT+-harvard.edu Harvard University Library Preservation Office "Instead of loving your enemies,treat your friends a little better." -Edgar Watson Howe (1853-1937) ------------------------------ End of MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 351 *********************************