MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 352 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Watching by Heather Watson 2) Re: Non-human heralds *STORMS SPOILER by Mat Timmerman 3) Re: Non-Human Heralds by Mat Timmerman 4) Re: non-Valdemaran heralds by Heather Watson 5) Re: Lammas Night by Northaven-+AT+-aol.com 6) Re: Consorts by Becky Anne Christensen 7) Re: Rolan's conversational habits by Becky Anne Christensen 8) Re: Watching (was Re: Cat People?) by Becky Anne Christensen 9) Re: Rolan's conversational habits by Becky Anne Christensen 10) Bonds by Becky Anne Christensen 11) Re: Lovebonds vs. Lifebonds (sticky ropes) by Becky Anne Christensen 12) Re: Lifebonds v. Lovebonds by Heather Watson 13) Re: bits and pieces by Becky Anne Christensen 14) Re: "Recycling" of herald's souls by ps9562-+AT+-wheeler.northland.edu 15) Re: The Ones in Black by Korendil 16) Re: Consorts by Kayla 17) Re: The Ones in Black by Rosario Holsen-Baker 18) The Cats and The Ladies by mrtmh-+AT+-primenet.com (puppies and dragons) 19) Re: The Cats and The Ladies by Korendil 20) Re: The Ones in Black by "Janet R. Wendorf" 21) Re: Jaguar Magewar: Was Re: YKYBRTMMLW: by wdjpej-+AT+-ix.netcom.com (William Jones ) 22) Re: Jaguar Magewar: Was Re: YKYBRTMMLW: by wdjpej-+AT+-ix.netcom.com (William Jones ) 23) Re: Lovebonds vs. Lifebonds (sticky ropes) by Sharleen Johnson 24) Re: New Thread Re: Stefan by Kayla 25) Re: Ghervase the Lizard Wizard by Kayla 26) Re: Lifebonds v. Lovebonds by Kayla 27) Re: The Ones in Black by Kayla ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 02 Feb 1996 14:23:54 CST From: Heather Watson To: Subject: Re: Watching Message-ID: <02FEB96.15550434.0096.MUSIC-+AT+-NEMOMUS> Stormcloud, if it makes you feel any better, I haven't any interest in the mage war, either. Who needs more hack'n'slash fantasy in the world? But they're having fun, so we'll quietly skip over their thread and smile indulgently. Just wanted you to know you weren't a lone freak. No offense intended to those who ARE enjoying it. I've enjoyed more than my share of things the rest of the world found pretty bloody uninteresting before. Variety is the spice of life and all that rot. Carry on! :) HTH ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Feb 1996 16:19:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Mat Timmerman To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Non-human heralds *STORMS SPOILER Message-ID: <01I0QSDLM0PE0507RY-+AT+-vaxc.hofstra.edu> From: Korendil > >The mention of Star-eyed consort is in one of the songs in >Oathbreakers...the Vkandis consort is mentioned in Warning, in one of >Karal's books...something like Kal'a'nel and Kalenal, IIRC. >*somewhere* we learn that Sunsinger and Shadowdancer were >heralds...oroginally they were cursed, somehow got 'new-found power', but >instead of saving themseleves they save WIndrider, Valdemar's heir. IMO, >after that the Lord and Lady break the curses and say to two companions >"Hey, guys...we have some Herald matierial over here...BTW, as a side >note, they were the ones that saved the heir awhiles back..";>, and we >have them as hearlds, and suffering the same fate as Kethry, Tarma, >Vanyel, and Kerowyn..that of becoming a SONG... Everything we know about them comes from the songs ("Windrider Unchained", "Meeting", and "Sun and Shadow" (are there any others?) ) or from AotQ and AFlight. From the songs, we know about the curses and the rescue of Windrider and Darshay. From AotQ, we know that they were Heralds (Talia says something like, "I get to be a Herald?...like Vanyel and Sunsinger and Shadowdancer?"). From AFlight, we get info during the song at the Herald revel. Talia (or was it Dirk?) thinks that the song is about "two of the earliest Heralds, Rothas Sunsinger and Lythe Shadowdancer, when their lives were still tangled by strange curses" (massively paraphrased here). Mat accmjt-+AT+-vaxc.hofstra.edu http://ada.hofstra.edu/~mtimme47/ People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones :) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Feb 1996 16:24:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Mat Timmerman To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Non-Human Heralds Message-ID: <01I0QSNVQEK80507RY-+AT+-vaxc.hofstra.edu> From: davidm-+AT+-mudge.it.com.au (David MacKinnon) > >> This is my point exactly. Just because *some* hertasi are servants, that >> doesn't mean that *all* of them are! I can see a non-human herald fitting in if >> this is true. > >they aren't. :) Remember, the founder of the white winds was a hertsai from >what we can gather from Kethrys description. He could both talk, and was >given the gift of magic (we're given hints that the white winds is one of >the schools that knows how to activate potental, so i assume hertsai have >the potention, it's just never active). Notice that the white wind mages >are in effect, servents though. Then again, so are the heralds, just more >specific :) This bugs me. Oathbound and WoFury are contradictory here. In the former, Kethry tells the story of Gervase (the Lizard Wizard from "Lizard Dreams") and says that the mage he saved was a White Winds mage. That implies that WW existed before Gervase. OTOH, in WoFury, Firesong says something like, "White Winds is a good, solid school, founded by a hertasi. We can work with them." I think that I'm inclined to believe Ketry, since she is more likely to know the history of WW. In the topic of activating potential, what other evidence do we have of WW doing it, other than Gervase? Mat accmjt-+AT+-vaxc.hofstra.edu http://ada.hofstra.edu/~mtimme47/ People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones :) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Feb 1996 15:45:04 CST From: Heather Watson To: Subject: Re: non-Valdemaran heralds Message-ID: <02FEB96.17011356.0097.MUSIC-+AT+-NEMOMUS> True, true, true. Certainly the whites going black WAS about the blood-feud issue. I'm just not sure that's all it was about. Maybe that IS all it's about, and I'm just dissecting the whole passage to death. I've been known to do that. You're also absolutely right that the Star-Eyed's purpose was to bridge the gap between the Swordsworn and the Heralds, not to set them apart. So maybe I'm seeing levels here that were never intended. As to whether there is one or many goddesses at work in Velgarth, I was pretty sure one of the books maintained that there was only one, going about under different names in different cultures. Unfortunately, I'm at school without a single Misty book to reference here, so I can't back that up. Maybe it was in that same scene in Oathbreakers, when the Goddess has her talk with Tarma and the Herald ? Maybe somewhere else. Ah, I dunno. Maybe it's not there at all. It's great to be as decisive as I am. HTH "Everybody loves a landlord...." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 16:47:51 -0500 From: Northaven-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Lammas Night Message-ID: <960202164751_134272076-+AT+-emout09.mail.aol.com> In a message dated 96-02-02 14:39:25 EST, you write: >> Please tell me someone else went out and got this >>book!!!!! Otherwise I may have to afmit that I have no life... >> >> 'Reesa Raennsyr >> mrtmh-+AT+-primenet.com Okay...I can say I went out of my way and got it the second I saw it, and loved all the stories (except that same one with the pigs) 8) All hail the mighty Mercedes Lackey addicts! 8) Becky Northaven Skyddan Guardian ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 14:23:57 -0800 (PST) From: Becky Anne Christensen To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Consorts Message-ID: On Thu, 1 Feb 1996, Icewolf ..... in honor of WNY weather wrote: > >On Wed, 31 Jan 1996, Starhawk wrote: > >> >> Roald & his consort (I can't remember the name and I don't have > >> >> my books. They're 500 miles away and stay so for the next five months.) > >> > > >> > Roald didn't have a consort, did he? If that's Randale, yep, he > >> >was lifebonded too. If it's not, who the bloody heck's the consort? > >> > >> He HAD to have a consort, you silly goose! Where would Selenay's > >> father have come from if he didn't? :) > > > >No, he had to have a lover. A *consort* has to be a Herald. That's > >different from a marriage to a non-Herald or having a lifebonded or > >whatever. To be a consort (a co-ruler) you must meet two conditions: you > >must be married to the person who is already reigning, and you must be a > >full Herald. > > So how come Daren seems to be a > second in command to Selenay instead of a co-ruler? > > Welp, I guess that's all for now. > > Lyn-who-is-feeling-REALLY-bruised-after-her-intermural-bball-game- > last-night > > He does have royal status. He sits in with council, and makes important decisions. IIRC does a lot of important decision making during wartime. He seems completely like a co-ruler to me. (:*BECKY*:) +--------------------+ |BLACK KNIGHT | | I'm invincible! | |KING ARTHUR | | You're a looney.| +--------------------+ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 14:29:46 -0800 (PST) From: Becky Anne Christensen To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Rolan's conversational habits Message-ID: On Thu, 1 Feb 1996, Gyrfalcon wrote: > On Thu, 1 Feb 1996 dbackhau-+AT+-isou10.estec.esa.nl wrote: > > > On Thu, 1 Feb 1996, Rosario Holsen-Baker wrote: > > > > What constitutes a newbie anyhow - < 3months, < 6 months, < 1 year??? I tell > > you after 2 months active and reading _all_ the archives, I feel like a fairly > > raddled long timer myself! > > In my day... Actually I'm not sure, I always figured that a newbie was > someone who hasn't read one of the Misadventures of the Men In White, and > hasn't been yelled at yet (Or done the yelling, or sitting by themselves > and saying, I'm just glad I don't Really know these people 'cause they're > silly.) for taking part of a banter session, a mage duel, or a snowball > fight. How about someone who doesn't know what it means when somebody > says "When Gyrfalcon is sane..." > > Fair winds and skies, > > --Gyrfalcon > BWTMIW! > YES!! Accroding to that desription, I'm not a newbie! So when do I qualify for Great One status? Personally I think there should be newbies and the Great Old Cheeses:) Sounds good to me! (:*BECKY*:) +--------------------+ |BLACK KNIGHT | | I'm invincible! | |KING ARTHUR | | You're a looney.| +--------------------+ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 14:34:04 -0800 (PST) From: Becky Anne Christensen To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Watching (was Re: Cat People?) Message-ID: On Fri, 2 Feb 1996, Gyrfalcon wrote: > > Mage Wars: All right, all right, we'll take it to private. If > > anyone else (Sundancer asked) wants to be in on the fight, send a > > `watching' mail to the list and we can include you. :) > > I'll watch, I'm enjoying this... > > --Gyrfalcon > Me to! I think it's great, when do we get to start placing bets? (:*BECKY*:) +--------------------+ |BLACK KNIGHT | | I'm invincible! | |KING ARTHUR | | You're a looney.| +--------------------+ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 14:57:13 -0800 (PST) From: Becky Anne Christensen To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Rolan's conversational habits Message-ID: On Fri, 2 Feb 1996, Mat Timmerman wrote: > > From: dbackhau-+AT+-isou10.estec.esa.nl > > > >What constitutes a newbie anyhow - < 3months, < 6 months, < 1 year??? I tell > >you after 2 months active and reading _all_ the archives, I feel like a fairly > >raddled long timer myself! > > Newbie-ness is more a state of mind than a time period. Newbies are > usually those who are ignorant of (because of newness) or refuse to > aide by a group's rules/attitudes/atmosphere. > > Mat > accmjt-+AT+-vaxc.hofstra.edu > http://ada.hofstra.edu/~mtimme47/ > People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones :) Wouldn't that be more of a misfit than a newbie? Because you could have a person that's been on the list since the beginning that refused to abide by the group's rules/attitudes/atmosphere. I think a good definition of newbie would be one who is still learning the group's rules/attitudes/atmosphere. (:*BECKY*:) +--------------------+ |BLACK KNIGHT | | I'm invincible! | |KING ARTHUR | | You're a looney.| +--------------------+ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 15:36:08 -0800 (PST) From: Becky Anne Christensen To: Everyone Subject: Bonds Message-ID: I just cleaned out my mailbox, and deleted all the messages, when this thought(s) occured to me. There have been a few posts on lifebonds lately, and here are some more things to stew over. (1) The only 2 people (to my knowledge) that have outlived a lifebond have both had another lifebond. This makes me think that something inside of them knew that there was another bond for them. (2) That with both of these people, their lifemate has transcended death to make sure that the person accepted the other bond, and didn't feel guilty. Both of the people who have outlived lifebonds have had the same thing happen. Could this be what will always happen when one half of a lifebond survives? Or is it merely coincidence. Or is it just because they were Heralds, and had strong Gifts? This leads me to believe that the bonds do survive after death, to a point. The bond is not what it was when they were alive, but there is something. The interesting idea is, what would happen when/if they were reincarnated as Comapnions. Waiting 5 hundred years to be reincarnated certainly would prevent people still living from recognizing you. But what if 5 hundred years down the road, you and your lifemate were both horses? I've never sensed that the Companions recognize each other as people they used to know, but what if they do? Are Companions reincarnated as Companions again? Or do they only get to be a Companion once? If they are reincarnated more than once, is it possible that a Herald could come back as a Companion and meet it's old Comapnion? That certainly seems interesting. And what happens to the grove-born spirits after they die? Do they go on to become a higher level of Guardian Spirit than a Companion? Sorry this has wandered off lifebonds, but I just thought of these things. (:*BECKY*:) +--------------------+ |BLACK KNIGHT | | I'm invincible! | |KING ARTHUR | | You're a looney.| +--------------------+ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 15:44:00 -0800 (PST) From: Becky Anne Christensen To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Lovebonds vs. Lifebonds (sticky ropes) Message-ID: On Fri, 2 Feb 1996, Birgit Hanel wrote: > > On Thu, 1 Feb 1996, Sharleen Johnson wrote: > > > If looked at in this way, Misty's books would appeal to a > > person perhaps a bit frustrated with the current world order (politics, > > governmental disarray), lack of morals in society, lack of recognization > > for those (such as themselves ;) who have special talents that they would > > like to share, and, as in this thread topic- who feel a need for a true soul > > mate to love and share everything with. > > > Excuse me, but "lack of morals in society"? > In a society where you're called a pervert and mentally ill when you love > a specific person rather than a specific sex/gender? > And sometimes the same persons who want to get you housed go ahead and > abuse children or burn other peoples' houses, for that matter? > I strongly disagree on that point. > > Slightly shivering > > Khenta* > previously known as Birgit* > I think that the lack of morals bit wasn't referring to homosexuals. I thought it meant about all the people going about killing, stealing, and things like that. And society protraying the image that those things are okay. It is true though, most of the people at my school have very few, or no morals. They accept the fact that at some time or other, everyone will steal, smoke, and do drugs. They place more value on cars than life. I have people who absolutely can't believe that I have never gotten drunk before, or beaten somebody up, or stole something from the 7-eleven. And keep in mind that I'm only 15. And this is what my peers believe (well, most of them, there are exceptions, like me) They don't even think of that as being bad things, just as natural. I certainly call that lack of morals. (:*BECKY*:) +--------------------+ |BLACK KNIGHT | | I'm invincible! | |KING ARTHUR | | You're a looney.| +--------------------+ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Feb 1996 17:40:36 CST From: Heather Watson To: Subject: Re: Lifebonds v. Lovebonds Message-ID: <02FEB96.19090954.0133.MUSIC-+AT+-NEMOMUS> Nice point about society and morals. Still, I think society does have aproblem with a lack of morals, and that INCLUDES hypocrisy and intolerance. Isn't it immoral to burn someone's house down. Isn't it immoral to shoot a doctor, or to hate someone for being in love? Throwing the banner of Family Values over a behavior does not make the immoral moral. We need a whole lot more of the kind of morality that is peaceful and nurturing and creative. HTH ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 15:49:20 -0800 (PST) From: Becky Anne Christensen To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: bits and pieces Message-ID: On Fri, 2 Feb 1996 EGLESTON-+AT+-bpl.org wrote: > Buncha short comments while I battle off this rotten cold... > > re: Firecats. Alison beat me to the punch in noting that all of them > have been male so far. Honest, I hadn't seen her message yet! I > don't know how Becky manages to answer the message right in front of > her as I get everything 6 or 7 hours later. Just another case of > Great Minds Think Alike.... :-> > > Yoicks! and Away! > > Cindy > I don't know either, does anyone else know why everything seems to come at different times? Sometimes it takes 20 minutes, other times it takes hours. (:*BECKY*:) +--------------------+ |BLACK KNIGHT | | I'm invincible! | |KING ARTHUR | | You're a looney.| +--------------------+ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 18:13:55 -0600 From: ps9562-+AT+-wheeler.northland.edu To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: "Recycling" of herald's souls Message-ID: <37D9DD91850-+AT+-wheeler.northland.edu> > Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 05:55:19 GMT > Reply-to: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk > From: Lord Wurm > To: ps9562-+AT+-wheeler.northland.edu > Subject: Re: "Recycling" of herald's souls > >Btw, does anybody remember the names of Yfandes' children/foals(?) ? I > >haven't read MPrice yet (shame) and am wondering if they're mentionend > >ever after (and o.c. if there's any hint whether they were reborns or not). > > i just recently finished MPrice... don't remember any mention of them at all... > They were Dancer and Megwyn(sp?). Stacey ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 19:02:35 -0600 From: Korendil To: "Misty List" Subject: Re: The Ones in Black Message-ID: <199602030102.TAA20634-+AT+-ns.cent.com> > >EXQUEEEZE ME ! I don't remember being used as a floor mop. >Does this mean that I am the only remaining One In Black? >Say it ain't so!!!! >To all the other groups Please don't wipe me out :- > Shannsu[sp???] [translation :- peace: Jennifer Roberson >The Cheysuli Chronicals] > >I see you shiver in antici....pation >Jason [ sobbing at being left alone] :( * Flashes of mage-induced lightining begin to flash, in a circular pattern. Faster and faster they spin, so that all blend to one until they are insepparatable. Tension, both physical and magical mounts, and the wheel of lightning *cracks* into two halves, as if a doorway...the nether-space inbetween *shimmers*, and slowly fills with a grey mist. Behind you can make the faint outline of what appears to be a mix of an artist's loft, a chic little restaurnat in NY, and a castel you KNOW is from a cheesy remake of Arthurian legends...and forward steps a tall, thin boned figure, cast in a flowing, black tunic, and pants the color of darkness itself, riding a horse you KNOW is going to be called Nightlight, as while black it glows in unnerving brightness. ANd as you look up at the fine-boned figure, you gawk. For instead of rounded, mortal ears, you see beautiful, tapered cartilage, ending in a point, and felinious green eyes. A Sidhe. "I have come to join your ranks, Mortal. I can offer much to your organization, and in return I ask only to share in your creativity. A deal I presume you shall take up..." ************ As I find I have no ASCII skill, I'm gonna do a hypercube instead... Till then: Korendil -+AT+- undermac ; rubin-+AT+-cent.com ***************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Feb 1996 11:12:02 +0800 From: Kayla To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Consorts Message-ID: <199602030312.LAA01795-+AT+-jimi.vianet.net.au> At 14:22 2/02/96 GMT, you wrote: >Someone (sorry, I'm breaking my own rules -- had deleted the message before >I realised I could add something to the discussion) mentioned that Daren was >probably second to Selenay because she'd already become Queen before they >married. > >It sounds like the situation with the UK royal family; as I understand it, >if the current Queen had married before succeeding to the throne, the Duke of >Edinburgh would now be King Philip. Since they married _after_ she'd already >become Queen, he's not. I may be wrong ... :) > >Cheers > >Mel. > wrong about UK monarchy...Queen Elizabeth was married before she ascended the throne...already had 2 kids when she became queen....UK monarchy has diff rules....spouse of queen is always consort...spouse of king is always queen...sexist innit?????? ^^^^^^^ |Don't despair| ( O O ) <| ? |> |Take heart| $ \ ~ / $ - |Life is to be lived| Kayla kayla-+AT+-vianet.net.au ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 22:56:21 -0500 (EST) From: Rosario Holsen-Baker To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: The Ones in Black Message-ID: Augh! OIB now has four members and we pour Cat People and Ladies in Green only have to (the same two, actually). NoxCat, are you with us? Sundancer? Windbraid? Anyone? P.S. Actually, the Cat People extend an invitation to the Ones In Black to aid us in our upcoming battle against the Men In White. |--------------<>----------------| | Sure. Fine. Whatever. | |----------------------------------------| ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 21:26:25 -0700 (MST) From: mrtmh-+AT+-primenet.com (puppies and dragons) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: The Cats and The Ladies Message-ID: <199602030426.VAA16860-+AT+-usr6.primenet.com> Okay, so, I joined both of these uh, um, (what do you call large orginizations of crazy people?) groups, and I want to know what we're doing. Am I supposed to be watching out for TMIW? Or the OIB? And also, who ever heard of a cat that wears green! Although emerald fur does sound quite striking... Any sort of rules as to what kind of cat I can be? (Incedentally (sp) I think this proves that I have no life, outside of Valdemar anyway:) Meow, 'Reesa Raennsyr ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 22:57:57 -0600 From: Korendil To: "Misty List" Subject: Re: The Cats and The Ladies Message-ID: <199602030457.WAA26052-+AT+-ns.cent.com> > (Incedentally (sp) I think this proves that I have no >life, outside of Valdemar anyway:) Ach...I dunno about the rest o' the list, but I don't either;> (as Lordwurm and a few others could vouch;) ON a different note, I bought Tiger Burning Bright...worth reading? That is, after I finish re-reading all the Tregarde books...which I'm about to;), and maybe some others...hmm...it seem sstrange, but its almost as if there's some type of Glamour on the book, making me forget its Misty...gods...there we go...no life...I'm mixing Misty and reality...ach..again..a nice Jewish boy saying "gods"...;> ************ As I find I have no ASCII skill, I'm gonna do a hypercube instead... Till then: Korendil -+AT+- undermac ; rubin-+AT+-cent.com ***************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Feb 1996 00:22:39 -0500 From: "Janet R. Wendorf" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: The Ones in Black Message-ID: <9602030528.AA12389-+AT+-enterprise.udayton.edu> Jason wrote: > >EXQUEEEZE ME ! I don't remember being used as a floor mop. >Does this mean that I am the only remaining One In Black? >Say it ain't so!!!! >To all the other groups Please don't wipe me out :- > Shannsu[sp???] [translation :- peace: Jennifer Roberson >The Cheysuli Chronicals] > >I see you shiver in antici....pation >Jason [ sobbing at being left alone] :( > The thick foliage of the forest will not get in my way. Persued as I am by my foes, I manage to lose them, so that I may join the valiant Ones in Black. My old clothes tattered beyond recognition, I don the black clothes that magically appeared. The group shall not unravel, while I am still here. Janet ******************************************************************************* "Imagination is the only Weapon Against Reality" ******************************************************************************* >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>wendorjr-+AT+-elwood.udayton.edu<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>wendorjr-+AT+-saber.udayton.edu<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< ******************************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 21:40:53 -0800 From: wdjpej-+AT+-ix.netcom.com (William Jones ) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Jaguar Magewar: Was Re: YKYBRTMMLW: Message-ID: <199602030540.VAA13662-+AT+-ix6.ix.netcom.com> >You have to catch me first, but The Men in White are far game... >Here's the address for their home office: > > The Men in White > PO Box 32452 > Chasmgap, Fl 45634 > >As for using me as a next possible target, I have my allies too. So I >wouldn't suggest it. > Hey! Since we're at it, why not go for a total war Misty style against the MIW and Gyrefalcon? Kinda like the games Tarma, Daren, and Kero played? ;) - Shadow-Lover ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 21:42:01 -0800 From: wdjpej-+AT+-ix.netcom.com (William Jones ) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Jaguar Magewar: Was Re: YKYBRTMMLW: Message-ID: <199602030542.VAA12877-+AT+-ix12.ix.netcom.com> You wrote: > >On Fri, Feb 2, Jaguar wrote: > > >> :Psst! Tammy! Shadow-Lover! Let's get Gyrfalcon and the Men In >> White next!: >> > >:You're on! The Ladies and I are ready! What do you say, >Shadow-Lover?: Sure! I'm in! *Shadow-Lover's sapphire eyes sparkle with mischief...* - Shadow-Lover ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Feb 1996 01:46:48 -0500 (EST) From: Sharleen Johnson To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Lovebonds vs. Lifebonds (sticky ropes) Message-ID: > On Thu, 1 Feb 1996, Sharleen Johnson wrote: > > > If looked at in this way, Misty's books would appeal to a > > person perhaps a bit frustrated with the current world order (politics, > > governmental disarray), lack of morals in society, lack of recognization > > for those (such as themselves ;) who have special talents that they would > > like to share, and, as in this thread topic- who feel a need for a true soul > > mate to love and share everything with. > > > Excuse me, but "lack of morals in society"? In a society where you're > called a pervert and mentally ill when you love a specific person > rather than a specific sex/gender? And sometimes the same persons who > want to get you housed go ahead and abuse children or burn other > peoples' houses, for that matter? I strongly disagree on that point. > I don't think there's a lack of morals but there's too much of it and too > much double-moral. Perhaps I made a bad word choice, and if you took it in that connotation I apologize. Believe me, I am not one to condemn homosexuality or any other personal characteristic that causes societal discomfort (for absolutely no rational reason!), and is thus labeled by the majority as "morally wrong". Heck, in that case I'd be condemning myself. I do believe that there is some underlying sense of right and wrong in the universe, and that often (due to humanity's inherent imperfection) these concepts are completely twisted and understood incompletely, if at all. So trash the word "morals", and replace it with this: a society in which all people make an honest effort to live in a manner consistent with idyllically perfect values- Heraldic virtue or such. sharleen * Imagination is our only weapon in the war against reality * http://www.duke.edu/~spj1/ email: spj1-+AT+-acpub.duke.edu ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Feb 1996 18:07:06 +0800 From: Kayla To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: New Thread Re: Stefan Message-ID: <199602031007.SAA23164-+AT+-jimi.vianet.net.au> At 23:33 2/02/96 GMT, you wrote: > All this talk about reincarnation has me thinking. Okay, when two >people are actually the same person due to sharing a soul, they are >still shaped by their environments and grow up to be oddly similar, yet >still individual people, am I right? We can all agree on this? >Otherwise, Vanyel wouldn't have been friends with Stefan for ages >without NOTICING that he was exactly like Tylendel. > But after death, those two (or more) personalities have to merge back >into one -- in effect, the core soul, unshaped by experiences in the >living world. Otherwise, there would be two "personalities" trying to >be the same person roving around the afterlife. And that would just be >odd. > So my point is, the man that Vanyel ends up with is presumably >NEITHER the Tylendel with whom he fell in love NOR the Stefan with whom >he fell in love, but quite similar to both of them. Now, Stef had a >rather rough childhood, which surely influenced his development and made >him the man he became, in conjunction, naturally, with his soul. Does >this mean that Stefan, as Vanyel knew him, is never to be seen again? >That in fact death destroyed Stefan's identity and he lives on not as he >was but only as he might have been? Okay...let me have a try at explaining my personal view of reincarnation etc.... Tylendel is still around..._but_ the experiences you mentioned Stefan going through have changed him so much as to be unrecognisable. Did anybody understand what I mean? so the soul that was 'Lendel and Stef is still the same, just has had more experience and therefore must be changed by those experiences. More lessons learned, more mistakes made, the soul in essence would have grown. Hard to explain but _I_ know what I mean! *grin* > Isn't this kind of rough on poor Stef? Now, I'm not perfect, but I'd >like to still be me after death, with all (or at least some) of the >quirks, needs, and habits that I've develped over the years. Otherwise, >I'd hardly be able to recognize myself. I would be, if you follow, >someone that I never really was in life. > Opinions, anyone? Did 'Lendel/Stef get gypped in the afterlife in >payment for getting two gos at life proper? JUST WHO, EXACTLY, IS >VANYEL SHACKING UP WITH OUT THERE IN THE FOREST OF SORROWS?? (Sorry >about the grammer, but this has all been very hard on me. Maybe I need >a nap.) > > >HTH > Vanyel must be with Stef as the soul has had more experience than when it was 'Lendel....seems the only sensible explanation to me....but I am willing to listen to any other arguments. ^^^^^^^ |Don't despair| ( O O ) <| ? |> |Take heart| $ \ ~ / $ - |Life is to be lived| Kayla kayla-+AT+-vianet.net.au ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Feb 1996 18:09:36 +0800 From: Kayla To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Ghervase the Lizard Wizard Message-ID: <199602031009.SAA23297-+AT+-jimi.vianet.net.au> At 23:46 2/02/96 GMT, you wrote: >Nononono. Sorry, no disrespect intended, but the founder of the White >Winds school (aka Ghervase the Lizard Wizard) was not a Hertasi at all, >but an ACTUAL LIZARD, albeit sentient thanks to the accumulated >weirdness in whatsit, the Pelagir Hills, there we go. It's in >Oathbound. Or maybe Oathbreakers. Well, it's in the bloody song. > Now, maybe it was all metaphor, and the songwriter saw a Pelagir >Hills hertasi and said, "Hmm, a lizard." But I still maintain until >proven definitively wrong that Ghervase was A LIZARD. It just makes the >story that much more fun. > Wait! Eureka, the longer I think about it the more sure I am. >Ghervase threw pursuers off the track by convincing them he was just an >ordinary lizard...which means he looked like an ordinary lizard. > Dude was a lizard. > > >HTH >Gotta re-read the relevent books but I am sure that somewhere it _is_ mentioned that the white winds was founded by a _Hertasi_. I am _positive_ that it actually states this somewhere. ^^^^^^^ |Don't despair| ( O O ) <| ? |> |Take heart| $ \ ~ / $ - |Life is to be lived| Kayla kayla-+AT+-vianet.net.au ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Feb 1996 18:19:18 +0800 From: Kayla To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Lifebonds v. Lovebonds Message-ID: <199602031019.SAA23752-+AT+-jimi.vianet.net.au> At 02:15 3/02/96 GMT, you wrote: >Nice point about society and morals. Still, I think society does have >aproblem with a lack of morals, and that INCLUDES hypocrisy and >intolerance. Isn't it immoral to burn someone's house down. Isn't it >immoral to shoot a doctor, or to hate someone for being in love? >Throwing the banner of Family Values over a behavior does not make the >immoral moral. We need a whole lot more of the kind of morality that is >peaceful and nurturing and creative. > > >HTH > I agree totally.....I deal with people everyday who have no concept or understanding of right and wrong. I am struggling to impress on my kids what being a worthwhile person is all about, so I encourage my eldest to read the best fantasy writers....that's where I got most of my morals from. :) ^^^^^^^ |Don't despair| ( O O ) <| ? |> |Take heart| $ \ ~ / $ - |Life is to be lived| Kayla kayla-+AT+-vianet.net.au ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Feb 1996 18:22:11 +0800 From: Kayla To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: The Ones in Black Message-ID: <199602031022.SAA23904-+AT+-jimi.vianet.net.au> At 04:10 3/02/96 GMT, you wrote: > Augh! OIB now has four members and we pour Cat People and Ladies >in Green only have to (the same two, actually). NoxCat, are you with us? >Sundancer? Windbraid? Anyone? > P.S. Actually, the Cat People extend an invitation to the Ones In >Black to aid us in our upcoming battle against the Men In White. > >|--------------<>----------------| >| Sure. Fine. Whatever. | >|----------------------------------------| > > Green my best colour....I wannna join Ladies in Green.....if you'll have me????? ^^^^^^^ |Don't despair| ( O O ) <| ? |> |Take heart| $ \ ~ / $ - |Life is to be lived| Kayla kayla-+AT+-vianet.net.au ------------------------------ End of MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 352 *********************************