MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 355 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: The Ones in Black by STOKES J <95662014-+AT+-mmu.ac.uk> 2) re:mage wars.... by "Scarlett E. Blizzard" 3) Re: Sun & Shadow by Catherine Osborne 4) Re: Jaguar Magewar: Was Re: YKYBRTMMLW: by Catherine Osborne 5) Re: A Misty Question by Kayla 6) Re: Stefan after Van's death by Kayla 7) Re: Consorts by Kayla 8) Re: Watching by Stormcloud 9) RE: A Misty Question by EGLESTON-+AT+-bpl.org 10) RE: Stefan after Van's death by EGLESTON-+AT+-bpl.org 11) Re: Consorts by mel (Melanie Dymond Harper) 12) Re: Hertasi by "Patrick S. Waterlander" 13) Re: Lovebonds vs. Lifebonds (sticky ropes) by "Patrick S. Waterlander" 14) re: Stef by EGLESTON-+AT+-bpl.org 15) New Thread Re: Stefen by "Patrick S. Waterlander" 16) Re: bits and pieces by "Patrick S. Waterlander" 17) Re: Rolan's conversational habits (was: Re: Neave by McCaffrey's White Dragon 18) Re: Stefen by Stormcloud 19) Re: New Thread Re: Stefan by McCaffrey's White Dragon 20) Re: Ghervase the Lizard Wizard by McCaffrey's White Dragon 21) Re: bits and pieces by McCaffrey's White Dragon 22) Re: Non-Human Heralds by McCaffrey's White Dragon 23) Re: Stefen after Van's death by Stormcloud 24) Re: Consorts by McCaffrey's White Dragon 25) Re: The Ones in Black by McCaffrey's White Dragon 26) Re: Lifebonds v. Lovebonds by Marissa K Lingen 27) Re: Non-Human Heralds by McCaffrey's White Dragon ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 5 Feb 1996 11:28:06 GMT From: STOKES J <95662014-+AT+-mmu.ac.uk> To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: The Ones in Black Message-ID: <23E416D0C38-+AT+-EXCALIBUR.MMU.AC.UK> Date: Sat, 3 Feb 1996 11:09:48 GMT Reply-to: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk From: Kayla To: 95662014-+AT+-mmu.ac.uk Subject: Re: The Ones in Black > Augh! OIB now has four members and we pour Cat People and Ladies >in Green only have to (the same two, actually). NoxCat, are you with us? >Sundancer? Windbraid? Anyone? > P.S. Actually, the Cat People extend an invitation to the Ones In >Black to aid us in our upcoming battle against the Men In White. > >|--------------<>----------------| >| Sure. Fine. Whatever. | >|----------------------------------------| > > Well Jaguar, speaking for myself , if TMIW keep attacking innocent [ and not so innocent ] newbies etc. I feel that all the groups [LIG, OIB, Cat People etc] have a duty to deal with them. I see you shiver in antici.....pation Jason[One In Black] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Feb 96 13:40:16 CET (1240Z) From: "Scarlett E. Blizzard" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: re:mage wars.... Message-ID: <9602051255.AA25810-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk> I'm watching the mage-war, please forward....here's my email: blizzard-+AT+-wurbpmo.wuerzburg.army.mil I'm way behind in reading my digests, so if the wars over dis-regard.. Scarlett 'The best laid plans often run right into nowhere...' CEO Novell Inc. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Feb 1996 08:50:56 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine Osborne To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Sun & Shadow Message-ID: On Fri, 2 Feb 1996, Mat Timmerman wrote: > Remember, a Bard probably > wrote this, and they seem to embellish things _just_ a bit. Oh really? I\/ Catherine Osborne "After great pain, I\/ Sundancer a formal feeling comes." I cosborne-+AT+-sidwell.edu --Emily Dickinson I http://www.sidwell.edu/~cosborne/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Feb 1996 09:11:04 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine Osborne To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Jaguar Magewar: Was Re: YKYBRTMMLW: Message-ID: On Sat, 3 Feb 1996, William Jones wrote: > >On Fri, Feb 2, Jaguar wrote: > > > > > >> :Psst! Tammy! Shadow-Lover! Let's get Gyrfalcon and the Men In > >> White next!: > >> > > > >:You're on! The Ladies and I are ready! What do you say, > >Shadow-Lover?: > > Sure! I'm in! *Shadow-Lover's sapphire eyes sparkle with mischief...* Oh jeez... This is getting ridiculous. The Men in White have nobody, other than Gyrfalcon and a few misc. idiot bullyboys. Now, I'm no Anthony/Eddings fan (ducks coconuts) but I *am* a class A-1 merc and I know every strategic move that Alexander the Great ever made, in addition to a few private war games I play in my room at home with lots 'o' paper (tho in real life I'm a pacifist.) Therefore I am attaching myself to TMIW (in return for lots of gold-pressed latinum (oops, switching universes) sorry, gold pieces, Valdemaran coinage) for the duration of this war. ;) I\/ Catherine Osborne "After great pain, I\/ Sundancer a formal feeling comes." I cosborne-+AT+-sidwell.edu --Emily Dickinson I http://www.sidwell.edu/~cosborne/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Feb 1996 22:28:34 +0800 From: Kayla To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: A Misty Question Message-ID: <199602051428.WAA16973-+AT+-jimi.vianet.net.au> At 00:59 5/02/96 GMT, you wrote: >Did he like the Bedlam ones with the elves in the modern world? If he did, I >would recommend the Serrated Edge series or maybe books by Josepha Sherman or >Mark Shepherd. > > ************************************************ > * Contact Starlight at debeng-+AT+-eden.rutgers.edu * > ************************************************ > As someone who hates others buying books for her, I'd recommend gift vouchers from a local fantasy bookshop if possible. :) ^^^^^^^ |Don't despair| ( O O ) <| ? |> |Take heart| $ \ ~ / $ - |Life is to be lived| Kayla kayla-+AT+-vianet.net.au ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Feb 1996 22:30:15 +0800 From: Kayla To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Stefan after Van's death Message-ID: <199602051430.WAA17061-+AT+-jimi.vianet.net.au> At 01:07 5/02/96 GMT, you wrote: >Hi, I was just wondering, if anyone has answered this question yet: > > If Stefan and Vanyel were lifebonded, how did Stefan survive after >Vanyel's death? He wasn't bonded to anyone else like Vanyel was at that >time. I don't have MPrice with me, and I can't remember if it said. > >Can someone please email me the answer? > > ************************************************ > * Contact Starlight at debeng-+AT+-eden.rutgers.edu * > ************************************************ > IIRC, Stef did try to suicide after he got out from under all those concerned eyes watching him, but Vanyel's spirit stepped in....and the rest as they say is history!!! ^^^^^^^ |Don't despair| ( O O ) <| ? |> |Take heart| $ \ ~ / $ - |Life is to be lived| Kayla kayla-+AT+-vianet.net.au ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Feb 1996 22:37:26 +0800 From: Kayla To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Consorts Message-ID: <199602051437.WAA17607-+AT+-jimi.vianet.net.au> At 10:50 5/02/96 GMT, you wrote: > >> wrong about UK monarchy...Queen Elizabeth was married before she ascended >> the throne...already had 2 kids when she became queen....UK monarchy has >> diff rules....spouse of queen is always consort...spouse of king is always >> queen...sexist innit?????? > >No she wasn't, and no she didn't; she was 18 when she came to the throne, and >married and had children afterwards. > >Mel. > Hate to argue, but Gran is staunch Monarchist and prolly knows all there is to know about Royal Family! Charles and Anne were born before she ascended throne. She was overseas with Phillip when her father died. ^^^^^^^ |Don't despair| ( O O ) <| ? |> |Take heart| $ \ ~ / $ - |Life is to be lived| Kayla kayla-+AT+-vianet.net.au ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Feb 1996 09:42:09 EST From: Stormcloud To: Subject: Re: Watching Message-ID: <05FEB96.10480568.0025.MUSIC-+AT+-SJUMUSIC> >Stormcloud, if it makes you feel any better, I haven't any interest in >the mage war, either. Who needs more hack'n'slash fantasy in the world? >But they're having fun, so we'll quietly skip over their thread and >smile indulgently. Just wanted you to know you weren't a lone freak. > No offense intended to those who ARE enjoying it. I've enjoyed more >than my share of things the rest of the world found pretty bloody >uninteresting before. Variety is the spice of life and all that rot. >Carry on! :) > > >HTH Thank you! I'm glad to know I'm not all alone in this cold below zero world. Ack, sometimes I -really- hate New York! -+AT+->--- Stormcloud Moon the Misty Maniac Prism wilsonj-+AT+-sjumusic.stjohns.edu Power! O blood, blood, blood! -Othello ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Feb 1996 9:54:58 -0500 (EST) From: EGLESTON-+AT+-bpl.org To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: RE: A Misty Question Message-ID: <960205095458.b9d-+AT+-bpl.org> Korendil asked about which books to get a friend on a limited budget. Me, I'd go hit the used bookstores and buy everything I could find a copy of, and then, if I had money left over, I'd buy new books to fill in the gaps, or that I knew that the friend hadn't read yet. (And I'd set $25 aside for _The Silver Gryphon_, or turn it into a gift certificate for presenting it.) My plan always involves getting the greatest number of books. No such thing as too many books. Yoicks! and Away! Cindy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Feb 1996 10:02:33 -0500 (EST) From: EGLESTON-+AT+-bpl.org To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: RE: Stefan after Van's death Message-ID: <960205100233.b9d-+AT+-bpl.org> Starlight asked "If Stefan and Vanyel were lifebonded, how did Stefan survive after Vanyel's death?" Stefan had a task to do. He did intend to suicide, but Van's ghost stopped him and set him the job of convincing the Bards to convince the rest of Valdemar that Heralds were just as good as Herald-Mages. And he _knew_ that Vanyel was waiting for him in Sorrows if he succeeded. (I think that he also knew, on a subconscious level, that he still had to "earn his Whites" in reparation for the mistake he made as Tylendel.) This doesn't answer the question of what he did when he got ...uhm... physical cravings, but it does answer the question of the lifebond. In effect, he was still lifebonded, even if it was to a ghost. Yoicks! and Away! Cindy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Feb 1996 15:52:59 GMT From: mel (Melanie Dymond Harper) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Consorts Message-ID: <9602051552.AA05388-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk> > Hate to argue, but Gran is staunch Monarchist and prolly knows all there is > to know about Royal Family! Charles and Anne were born before she ascended > throne. She was overseas with Phillip when her father died. > I stand corrected. Strange, I wonder where I got that figure of 18 from? Mel (who you can doubtless tell is _not_ a staunch Monarchist) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Feb 1996 10:13:36 -0800 (PST) From: "Patrick S. Waterlander" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Hertasi Message-ID: On Fri, 2 Feb 1996, Heather Watson wrote: > Didn't I read somewhere that hertasi get depressed and complain when > they aren't able to fill the role of personal body-servants? Was that, > maybe, in Storm Warning, or The Black Griffon? Those are books I > haven't read as frequently, so I don't have reliable recall. Did I read > that? If so, then being a servant is a hertasi's NATURE, not just her > job, and implies that she would never want to be a Herald. And as we > all know, if you don't want to be a Herald deep down, you'd make a lousy > one and never be Chosen. Help me out: Did I read that? > > > HTH > IIRC, I read in one of the Storms books that Firesong said something to the effect of "It's their ancient function." when Darkwind asked him if he needed help and he said that the Hertasi would know what he needed. To me, this implies that the Hertasi were created to be servants, and to help humans, and gryphons, since gryphons can't do alot of things because they dont have hands. Declan -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- -Wishing he wasn't so tired of life- Declan patw-+AT+-clark.edu -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Feb 1996 10:32:59 -0800 (PST) From: "Patrick S. Waterlander" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Lovebonds vs. Lifebonds (sticky ropes) Message-ID: *****BE WARNED!***** This posting contains serious subject matter. This isnt a joke. Its slightly depressing, and sort of long, so don't say I didn't warn you. On Fri, 2 Feb 1996, Birgit Hanel wrote: > On Thu, 1 Feb 1996, Sharleen Johnson wrote: > > > > If looked at in this way, Misty's books would appeal to a > > person perhaps a bit frustrated with the current world order (politics, > > governmental disarray), lack of morals in society, lack of recognization > > for those (such as themselves ;) who have special talents that they would > > like to share, and, as in this thread topic- who feel a need for a true soul > > mate to love and share everything with. > > > Excuse me, but "lack of morals in society"? > In a society where you're called a pervert and mentally ill when you love > a specific person rather than a specific sex/gender? > And sometimes the same persons who want to get you housed go ahead and > abuse children or burn other peoples' houses, for that matter? > I strongly disagree on that point. > I don't think there's a lack of morals but there's too much of it and too > much double-moral. > Kids, it can be veeeery cold in this world, and a warm coat won't help you. > > Slightly shivering > > Khenta* > previously known as Birgit* > Well. After seeing all the things that go on in this world from day to day, I have to say that SOME people do lack morals, such as those drug pushers that sell to kids. But then there are people that take morals too far, such as the example Khenta gave. Those people who condemn homosexuals (both genders) as sick and messed up in the head are the kind of people who take those morals too far. I think it's perfectly natural for one person to love another even when they are the same gender. As for the way the world is going in politics, well, I dont pay attention to it much because it makes me sick to watch these politicians and senators who really don't care about the statte that our country is in (the US that is). I dont know how bad it is in other countries, so I cant give my opinion on those. (Steps down off soapbox) Theres more I would say, but this post is getting kind of long. So. Anyone else want to comment on the state of the world today? Declan -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- -Wishing he wasn't so tired of life- Declan patw-+AT+-clark.edu -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Feb 1996 13:36:10 -0500 (EST) From: EGLESTON-+AT+-bpl.org To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: re: Stef Message-ID: <960205133610.16aa-+AT+-bpl.org> Janet said "it must have been a really strange experience to change from one person to another." and "Is there any evidence that both personalities are there?" Also "Tylendel would still be a mage..." Hmmmmm. well. Given my theory that Tylendel volunteered to return to the world as a child, I think he may have "traded in" his mage gift for the Bardic gift. I don't think he could have taken a second shot at being a Herald, not under the circumstances anyway, and if he had kept the mage gift, then he would almost have had to be a Herald to stay in Valdemar, near Vanyel. The Bardic gift, on the other hand, _will_ almost guarantee that he will be brought to Haven sooner or later. So once he is dead, he has the Bardic gift, rather than the Mage gift. The other possibility here is that he simply concedes the superior training and experience to Vanyel, who functioned as a mage for more years than Tylendel was even alive. I'll have to reread WoF (when I'm home and can get my hands on it) to see if there is any more direct evidence beside the haircolor changing. Yoicks! and Away! Cindy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Feb 1996 10:46:02 -0800 (PST) From: "Patrick S. Waterlander" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: New Thread Re: Stefen Message-ID: This requires some very deep thinking. Ive thought about it for a while, and I come to this conclusion. Stefen and Tylendel are COMPLETELY different people. I say this because when Vanyel and Stefen go to Forst Reach along with Savil, Vanyel has a dream one night and in that dream Tylendel tells Van that he is sorry, that he was being selfish, and that he didn't love Van enough. I think that both Moondance and Starwind were wrong when they said that Stefen was Tylendel reincarnated. I think that Stefen is a completely different person, with a completely different soul, and the only reason they are together is because (and this is the part that I agree with Moondance and Starwind) Van and 'Lendels relationship wasn't finished, so Van had a second chance to make things work out. These are my thoughts on the matter. It may be that I am totally wrong. Anyone else who would like to contribute to this? Declan -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- -Wishing he wasn't so tired of life- Declan patw-+AT+-clark.edu -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Feb 1996 10:47:50 -0800 (PST) From: "Patrick S. Waterlander" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: bits and pieces Message-ID: On Fri, 2 Feb 1996 EGLESTON-+AT+-bpl.org wrote: > Buncha short comments while I battle off this rotten cold... > > re: Firecats. Alison beat me to the punch in noting that all of them > have been male so far. > > Yoicks! and Away! > > Cindy > Isnt that because Solaris is the first female _true_ Son of the Sun? Declan -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- -Wishing he wasn't so tired of life- Declan patw-+AT+-clark.edu -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Feb 1996 11:09:44 -0800 (PST) From: McCaffrey's White Dragon To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Rolan's conversational habits (was: Re: Neave Message-ID: On Fri, 2 Feb 1996, Rosario Holsen-Baker wrote: > On Fri, 2 Feb 1996, Mat Timmerman wrote: > > > "Masters of All"? ;) Says the old-timer :) > > Sounds good. :) > > > > Talia does _so_ have some Mindspeech. Her Gifts are: Empathy (prime), > > (Mind)Healing, Thoughtsensing, and FarSight. Ylsa says so in AotQ, > > right before she takes Talia to see Dirk's Fetching class (where we > > see Griffon in action). > > > So, where's the mindspeech? Thoughtsensing isn't Mindspeech or > Mindhearing,it's just Thoughtsensing. > > > The only one who seems to remember Talia's Mindspeech :) > > Sure. Fine. Whatever. :) > > |--------------<>----------------| > | Sure. Fine. Whatever. | > |----------------------------------------| > As I remember, Talia and her instructors were becoming frustrated with her apparent inablity to use her mindspeech. It was on a hunch that one of her instructors had someone try to convey a more emotional thought to her, thus revealing her gift lies not in mindspeech, but rather in empathy. ___________________ -==UDIC==- ________________ |\__________________\ McCaffrey's White Dragon |\________________\ ||Why is he talking | || | || to that | a.k.a. || Don't ask. | || White Coconut? | Jake Gipple \|________________| \|__________________| (360)-887-4779 LEMUR! "In the name of the moon, I will right wrongs and punish evil! And that means you!" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Feb 1996 13:42:59 EST From: Stormcloud To: Subject: Re: Stefen Message-ID: <05FEB96.14814099.0028.MUSIC-+AT+-SJUMUSIC> >It seems that the spirit that is in the forest with Vanyel is both Stefan >and Tylendel. I remember a description of how the hair color of the spirit >keeps changing from Red to Blonde? Vanyel calls him Stef cause that is who >he last knew him as. > >Tayla Starwind and Moondance when they first see Stefen say (perhaps imply would be a better word) that Stefen is Tylendel reincarnated. So the spirit up there with Van is both Stef and 'Lendel. But since he lived so much longer as Stef, I think that is why he is still in Stef's form, because'Lendel is only a little piece of him now. (I think someone has already said basically what I just did, and I apologize if someone did, but my head is pounding and I'm hurrying through the 100 new mails in my box from this list. -+AT+->--- Stormcloud Moon the Misty Maniac Prism wilsonj-+AT+-sjumusic.stjohns.edu Power! O blood, blood, blood! -Othello ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Feb 1996 11:19:06 -0800 (PST) From: McCaffrey's White Dragon To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: New Thread Re: Stefan Message-ID: On Fri, 2 Feb 1996, Heather Watson wrote: > All this talk about reincarnation has me thinking. Okay, when two > people are actually the same person due to sharing a soul, they are > still shaped by their environments and grow up to be oddly similar, yet > still individual people, am I right? We can all agree on this? > Otherwise, Vanyel wouldn't have been friends with Stefan for ages > without NOTICING that he was exactly like Tylendel. > But after death, those two (or more) personalities have to merge back > into one -- in effect, the core soul, unshaped by experiences in the > living world. Otherwise, there would be two "personalities" trying to > be the same person roving around the afterlife. And that would just be > odd. > So my point is, the man that Vanyel ends up with is presumably > NEITHER the Tylendel with whom he fell in love NOR the Stefan with whom > he fell in love, but quite similar to both of them. Now, Stef had a > rather rough childhood, which surely influenced his development and made > him the man he became, in conjunction, naturally, with his soul. Does > this mean that Stefan, as Vanyel knew him, is never to be seen again? > That in fact death destroyed Stefan's identity and he lives on not as he > was but only as he might have been? > Isn't this kind of rough on poor Stef? Now, I'm not perfect, but I'd > like to still be me after death, with all (or at least some) of the > quirks, needs, and habits that I've develped over the years. Otherwise, > I'd hardly be able to recognize myself. I would be, if you follow, > someone that I never really was in life. > Opinions, anyone? Did 'Lendel/Stef get gypped in the afterlife in > payment for getting two gos at life proper? JUST WHO, EXACTLY, IS > VANYEL SHACKING UP WITH OUT THERE IN THE FOREST OF SORROWS?? (Sorry > about the grammer, but this has all been very hard on me. Maybe I need > a nap.) > > > HTH > As I see it, Tylendel's soul got another chance to go 'round without the events which overly-corrupted it the first time. In that light, one could say that the identity of the being known as Tylendel was partially erased, at least enough so to allow a true second chance. In that case, the identity known as Stefan is the further development of the previous identity of the aforementioned shared-soul ('Lendel) and in this light, Tylendel is a part of Stefan and thus the being who resides with Van IS Stefan. IMHO, of course. ___________________ -==UDIC==- ________________ |\__________________\ McCaffrey's White Dragon |\________________\ ||Why is he talking | || | || to that | a.k.a. || Don't ask. | || White Coconut? | Jake Gipple \|________________| \|__________________| (360)-887-4779 LEMUR! "In the name of the moon, I will right wrongs and punish evil! And that means you!" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Feb 1996 11:27:02 -0800 (PST) From: McCaffrey's White Dragon To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Ghervase the Lizard Wizard Message-ID: On Fri, 2 Feb 1996, Heather Watson wrote: > Nononono. Sorry, no disrespect intended, but the founder of the White > Winds school (aka Ghervase the Lizard Wizard) was not a Hertasi at all, > but an ACTUAL LIZARD, albeit sentient thanks to the accumulated > weirdness in whatsit, the Pelagir Hills, there we go. It's in > Oathbound. Or maybe Oathbreakers. Well, it's in the bloody song. > Now, maybe it was all metaphor, and the songwriter saw a Pelagir > Hills hertasi and said, "Hmm, a lizard." But I still maintain until > proven definitively wrong that Ghervase was A LIZARD. It just makes the > story that much more fun. > Wait! Eureka, the longer I think about it the more sure I am. > Ghervase threw pursuers off the track by convincing them he was just an > ordinary lizard...which means he looked like an ordinary lizard. > Dude was a lizard. > > > HTH > Might I just use the komodo dragon as an example to point out that there are some rather large 'ordinary' lizards. ___________________ -==UDIC==- ________________ |\__________________\ McCaffrey's White Dragon |\________________\ ||Why is he talking | || | || to that | a.k.a. || Don't ask. | || White Coconut? | Jake Gipple \|________________| \|__________________| (360)-887-4779 LEMUR! "In the name of the moon, I will right wrongs and punish evil! And that means you!" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Feb 1996 11:24:32 -0800 (PST) From: McCaffrey's White Dragon To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: bits and pieces Message-ID: On Fri, 2 Feb 1996 EGLESTON-+AT+-bpl.org wrote: > Buncha short comments while I battle off this rotten cold... > > > re: Mindspeech again/Rolan Maybe, since he's an avatar or whatever, > he finds it easier to communicate with Companions than humans. Which > leads into my next bit. There seems to be a bit of disagreement about > whether all of the Monarch's Own Companions have been the same spirit > all along. If Groveborn Companions are essentially experienceless, > then the MOC would almost have to be the same spirit to avoid messing > up the long term plans. But, (and here's another area of contention, > based largely on the Firecats who are both "groveborn" and "reincarnated" > if the MOC is a reincarnated spirit, then he could be more than one > personality, possibly a limited number who play relay races whenever > an MOC is killed. > > Shouldn't try to think past all this junk in my head. Even I get confused. > > Yoicks! and Away! > > Cindy > An interesting point this brings up, just because one grove-born companion purportedly lacks human experience does not necessarily mean that ALL grove-born companions lack this type of experience. BTW, like that 'relay' idea. Get well soon! ___________________ -==UDIC==- ________________ |\__________________\ McCaffrey's White Dragon |\________________\ ||Why is he talking | || | || to that | a.k.a. || Don't ask. | || White Coconut? | Jake Gipple \|________________| \|__________________| (360)-887-4779 LEMUR! "In the name of the moon, I will right wrongs and punish evil! And that means you!" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Feb 1996 11:32:31 -0800 (PST) From: McCaffrey's White Dragon To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Non-Human Heralds Message-ID: On Sat, 3 Feb 1996, Mat Timmerman wrote: > From: davidm-+AT+-mudge.it.com.au (David MacKinnon) > > > >> This is my point exactly. Just because *some* hertasi are servants, that > >> doesn't mean that *all* of them are! I can see a non-human herald fitting in if > >> this is true. > > > >they aren't. :) Remember, the founder of the white winds was a hertsai from > >what we can gather from Kethrys description. He could both talk, and was > >given the gift of magic (we're given hints that the white winds is one of > >the schools that knows how to activate potental, so i assume hertsai have > >the potention, it's just never active). Notice that the white wind mages > >are in effect, servents though. Then again, so are the heralds, just more > >specific :) > > This bugs me. Oathbound and WoFury are contradictory here. In the former, > Kethry tells the story of Gervase (the Lizard Wizard from "Lizard Dreams") > and says that the mage he saved was a White Winds mage. That implies > that WW existed before Gervase. OTOH, in WoFury, Firesong says something > like, "White Winds is a good, solid school, founded by a hertasi. We can > work with them." I think that I'm inclined to believe Ketry, since > she is more likely to know the history of WW. > > In the topic of activating potential, what other evidence do we have of > WW doing it, other than Gervase? > I thought it just said that it was some 'generic' mage he saved and when he said something along the lines of "I wanna be like you", he meant as a human, at first, not a mage. ___________________ -==UDIC==- ________________ |\__________________\ McCaffrey's White Dragon |\________________\ ||Why is he talking | || | || to that | a.k.a. || Don't ask. | || White Coconut? | Jake Gipple \|________________| \|__________________| (360)-887-4779 LEMUR! "In the name of the moon, I will right wrongs and punish evil! And that means you!" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Feb 1996 13:59:43 EST From: Stormcloud To: Subject: Re: Stefen after Van's death Message-ID: <05FEB96.15115913.0028.MUSIC-+AT+-SJUMUSIC> >Hi, I was just wondering, if anyone has answered this question yet: > > If Stefan and Vanyel were lifebonded, how did Stefan survive after >Vanyel's death? He wasn't bonded to anyone else like Vanyel was at that >time. I don't have MPrice with me, and I can't remember if it said. > If you'll remember at the end of MPrice, Stef tried to kill himself, and to paraphrase, Van said don't you dare, you idiot, you have a job to do, and once it's done, then you can join me. I think that he probably was awfully depressed over those years without Van, the same way Van was between 'Lendel and Stef. But Van didn't know he was going to lifebond again, so for all he knew, he wasn't going to be anything but lonely. But Stef knew that if he did the job Van wanted him to do (have the Bards convince the people of Valdemar that Heralds were just as good as Herald-Mages) he knew when he finished this he would be with Van again. I think that the hope of this is what kept him alive all those years. -+AT+->--- Stormcloud Moon the Misty Maniac Prism wilsonj-+AT+-sjumusic.stjohns.edu Power! O blood, blood, blood! -Othello ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Feb 1996 11:41:57 -0800 (PST) From: McCaffrey's White Dragon To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Consorts Message-ID: On Sat, 3 Feb 1996, Becky Anne Christensen wrote: > On Thu, 1 Feb 1996, Icewolf ..... in honor of WNY weather wrote: > > > >On Wed, 31 Jan 1996, Starhawk wrote: > > >> >> Roald & his consort (I can't remember the name and I don't have > > >> >> my books. They're 500 miles away and stay so for the next five months.) > > >> > > > >> > Roald didn't have a consort, did he? If that's Randale, yep, he > > >> >was lifebonded too. If it's not, who the bloody heck's the consort? > > >> > > >> He HAD to have a consort, you silly goose! Where would Selenay's > > >> father have come from if he didn't? :) > > > > > >No, he had to have a lover. A *consort* has to be a Herald. That's > > >different from a marriage to a non-Herald or having a lifebonded or > > >whatever. To be a consort (a co-ruler) you must meet two conditions: you > > >must be married to the person who is already reigning, and you must be a > > >full Herald. > > > > So how come Daren seems to be a > > second in command to Selenay instead of a co-ruler? > > > > Welp, I guess that's all for now. > > > > Lyn-who-is-feeling-REALLY-bruised-after-her-intermural-bball-game- > > last-night > > > > > He does have royal status. He sits in with council, and makes > important decisions. IIRC does a lot of important decision making during > wartime. He seems completely like a co-ruler to me. > As I see it, he does TECHNICLY have equal status, but due to a few details, such as the fact that it was more a case of Daren marrying into Selenay's family than the reverse, the fact that the bloodline (which took a 'detour' in Van's time) descends through Selenay, and the fact that Selenay was established as ruler long before Daren came along, Selenay is generally seen as the supperior of the two. One must also remember that Daren was 'seccond-banana' even in Rethwellan. Thus, he's used to having authority over many people, but also to at least one person having authority over him. ___________________ -==UDIC==- ________________ |\__________________\ McCaffrey's White Dragon |\________________\ ||Why is he talking | || | || to that | a.k.a. || Don't ask. | || White Coconut? | Jake Gipple \|________________| \|__________________| (360)-887-4779 LEMUR! "In the name of the moon, I will right wrongs and punish evil! And that means you!" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Feb 1996 11:49:28 -0800 (PST) From: McCaffrey's White Dragon To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: The Ones in Black Message-ID: On Sat, 3 Feb 1996, Rosario Holsen-Baker wrote: > Augh! OIB now has four members and we pour Cat People and Ladies > in Green only have to (the same two, actually). NoxCat, are you with us? > Sundancer? Windbraid? Anyone? > P.S. Actually, the Cat People extend an invitation to the Ones In > Black to aid us in our upcoming battle against the Men In White. > > |--------------<>----------------| > | Sure. Fine. Whatever. | > |----------------------------------------| I'll join the Cat People! ___________________ -==UDIC==- ________________ |\__________________\ McCaffrey's White Dragon |\________________\ ||Why is he talking | || | || to that | a.k.a. || Don't ask. | || White Coconut? | Jake Gipple \|________________| \|__________________| (360)-887-4779 LEMUR! "In the name of the moon, I will right wrongs and punish evil! And that means you!" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Feb 1996 13:55:20 -0600 From: Marissa K Lingen To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Lifebonds v. Lovebonds Message-ID: <199602051955.NAA09395-+AT+-mora.gac.edu> On this subject (morals from fantasy novels), I think SF/fantasy is where Romanticism has gone. Most other novels don't seem to portray heroic figures or true right and wrong in moral struggles... SF/fantasy can and does do so. What I really like is the idea that such books present that there are indeed things worse than dying and things worth dying for. I think that's a point Misty got across well. I'm a college student without any nontechnical courses this semester, so I'm getting my liberal arts side out. I'll shut up now. Morticia ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Feb 1996 11:58:50 -0800 (PST) From: McCaffrey's White Dragon To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Non-Human Heralds Message-ID: On Sat, 3 Feb 1996, David MacKinnon wrote: > > In the topic of activating potential, what other evidence do we have of > > WW doing it, other than Gervase? > > Umm.. I'd need to go re-read the books to find where it is exactly, but I'm > sure that it's mentioned somewhere that some schools have the much coveted > ability to do this. I can't remember exactly where, so I can't be certain. > > By the sounds of the song it requires a lot of power to do so, mind you. I > guess with the reserve that the school is supposed to have, it's less of an > issue. (again, i'm grasping at memories, haven't read some of them for a > little while now) > > -David > Hello! There are only two specific cases of potential being 'activated' which I can recall, Gervase and Vanyel. In both cases, quite a bit of power was involved (Gervase's tree for Gervase, and wild gate energy for Van). Sorry, don't have much of an opinion on much of anything else here yet. ___________________ -==UDIC==- ________________ |\__________________\ McCaffrey's White Dragon |\________________\ ||Why is he talking | || | || to that | a.k.a. || Don't ask. | || White Coconut? | Jake Gipple \|________________| \|__________________| (360)-887-4779 LEMUR! "In the name of the moon, I will right wrongs and punish evil! And that means you!" ------------------------------ End of MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 355 *********************************