MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 361

Topics covered in this issue include:

  1) Re: How do I join a group?
	by wdjpej-+AT+-ix.netcom.com (William Jones )
  2) Re: The Ones in Black
	by wdjpej-+AT+-ix.netcom.com (William Jones )
  3) Re: Stefan after Van's death
	by Starlight-+AT+-eden.rutgers.edu
  4) Bardic gift?
	by Starlight-+AT+-eden.rutgers.edu
  5) Re: I'm back!
	by Mat Timmerman <ACCMJT-+AT+-vaxc.hofstra.edu>
  6) Re: ObMisty?
	by Mat Timmerman <ACCMJT-+AT+-vaxc.hofstra.edu>
  7) Re: Normal?
	by Jake Adamo <102744.2515-+AT+-compuserve.com>
  8) Re: Lammas Night
	by Jake Adamo <102744.2515-+AT+-compuserve.com>
  9) Re: Tannim
	by "Janet R. Wendorf" <wendorjr-+AT+-elwood.udayton.edu>
 10) Re: Gender
	by Heather Watson <R618%NEMOMUS.bitnet-+AT+-ACADEMIC.NEMOSTATE.EDU>
 11) Re: Lifebonds
	by Heather Watson <R618%NEMOMUS.bitnet-+AT+-ACADEMIC.NEMOSTATE.EDU>
 12) Re: Clubs of all descriptions
	by Heather Watson <R618%NEMOMUS.bitnet-+AT+-ACADEMIC.NEMOSTATE.EDU>
 13) Re: Van Motorcycle Leathers
	by Jake Adamo <102744.2515-+AT+-compuserve.com>
 14) Re: Morals
	by Jake Adamo <102744.2515-+AT+-compuserve.com>
 15) Re: I'm back!
	by Becky Anne Christensen <beckyanne-+AT+-iforge.valleynet.com>
 16) Re: Bardic gift?
	by bregalad <bregalad-+AT+-xmission.com>
 17) Re: Lammas Night
	by Northaven-+AT+-aol.com
 18) Re: Tannim
	by mealink-+AT+-syd.au.swissbank.com (Kerry Mealing)
 19) Re: Bardic gift
	by Heather Watson <R618%NEMOMUS.bitnet-+AT+-ACADEMIC.NEMOSTATE.EDU>
 20) Re: The Ones in Black
	by jr9332-+AT+-cub.uca.edu
 21) Re: Consorts
	by Catherine A Murdoch <ulcam-+AT+-dewey.newcastle.edu.au>
 22) Re: The Ones in Black
	by Dalisair3-+AT+-aol.com
 23) Re: Lifebonds v. Lovebonds
	by STOKES J <95662014-+AT+-mmu.ac.uk>
 24) Re: I'm back!
	by be248-+AT+-scn.org (SCN User)
 25) Re: Tannim
	by mel (Melanie Dymond Harper)
 26) Re: Clubs of all descriptions
	by Catherine Osborne <cosborne-+AT+-sidwell.edu>

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Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 15:30:48 -0800
From: wdjpej-+AT+-ix.netcom.com (William Jones )
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: How do I join a group?
Message-ID: <199602072330.PAA04433-+AT+-ix12.ix.netcom.com>

You wrote: 
>
>
>> I second that, and I'd like to know what the difference between  
>> groups is, essentially!  Thanks.
>> Morticia
>> 
>	The Cat People (yes, I figured this out, and in the middle of a 4 

>hour play rehearsal! Aren't you proud of me :) are here to represent 
the 
>intrests of non-humans, as opposed to the Men In White. We also do 
Just 
>Causes if there seems to be an overwhelming need for it (but we don't 
>believe in Bardic immunity for any would-be Leslacs!). We are 
currently 
>allied with the Ladies in Green, and it would seem will be so for a 
good 
>while (hopefully)
>
>	Talk to Lady Tammy about the Ladies in Green, Jason (JSTOKES) or 
>Declan (I think?) about the Ones In Black and GYRFALCON!!! about the 
Men 
>In White. 
>
>|--------------<<JAGUAR>>----------------|
>|          Sure. Fine. Whatever.         |
>|----------------------------------------|
>			

And Shadow-Lover if you'd like to join the ranks of the dead...  
*Shadow-Lover's eyes shimmer with ill-hidden mischief...*

                                                - Shadow-Lover


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Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 15:37:45 -0800
From: wdjpej-+AT+-ix.netcom.com (William Jones )
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: The Ones in Black
Message-ID: <199602072337.PAA00850-+AT+-ix11.ix.netcom.com>

You wrote: 
>
>In a message dated 96-02-03 13:42:17 EST, you write:
>
>>
>>*Hearing the request for help, Shadow-Lover follows it to it's 
>>source...  In an amazing feat of bi-location, Shadow-Lover manages to 

>>have a conversation with Jaguar on one plane while fighting her on 
the 
>>other...  The wind swirls up and out of the writhing mass of dust a 
>>figure cloaked in black emerges, his ethereal sapphire eyes the only 
>>feature visible through the volumanence of his cloak...  The shadows 
>>seem to follow him as he steps forward to greet his friend...*  :You 
>>have requested my aid, and seeing as how I am already a man in black 
>>you may have it...  As keeper of the dead I must warn you:  I can 
give 
>>allegience to no creature, as I am a law unto myself...  I will grant 

>>aid where I see fit, and you may ask what you will...  I give you 
this 
>>now...:  *Shadow-Lover's physical form fades, but on the ground where 

>>he was last standing there is a teardrop amulet of onyx set in silver 

>>on a fine silver chain...  From where Jaguar is standing she can feel 

>>the emmence power radiating from the stone...  From somewhere in the 
>>darkness his voice rings out*  :What you see is a small piece of 
>>death...  Use it well...  If you are in need of me, call through it 
and 
>>I will hear and come...:
>>
>>                                            - Shadow-Lover
>>
>>
>
> Er... Did you just join OIB Shadow-Lover? You would be most welcome.
>
> Dalisair Gemwind
>
    :I am not an OIB...  I am leader of the dead, however that doesn't 
mean that I won't offer my services on occasion:  ;)

                                                        - Shadow-Lover

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Date: Wed, 7 Feb 96 18:40:19 EST
From: Starlight-+AT+-eden.rutgers.edu
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Stefan after Van's death
Message-ID: <CMM-RU.1.5.823736419.debeng-+AT+-er5.rutgers.edu>

< On Wed, 7 Feb 1996, Korendil wrote:
< 
< > >IIRC, Stefan was going to commit suicide by poison (the same Talia was 
< > >going to use, though I forgot the name) when Van's spirit came to him and 
< > >said that they could be together forever as Van had become, but Stef 
< > >couldn't kill himself just then because there was much he had yet to do.
< > 
< > Argonel;> I keep my copy of LHM right next to me when I read email;> BTW, 
< > It was, IIRC, the same drug that was used in a non-lethal dose to keep 
< > Van from destroying the Palace in Pawn. Yes...the fact that I'm not sure 
< > DOES contradict my previous statement, but its not here for a good 
< > cause...the start of a new Misty fan(atic)=)
< > 
< > <stifled guffaw> I'm listening to Moondust , Magic, and 
< > Melancholy..."Well my my vampires fangs may be getting in the way...and I 
< > hope you like l;egs since I have four...My mother never talks about that 
< > orgy, and I can't really blame her at all, though I'd like to read the 
< > guest list for that party" ;>:><gryn> Misty must have been in a Very 
< > Strange Mood when she wrote that.
< > 
<  
< BTW, isn't Argonel also used as an ink of some sort? I believe something 
< to that effect was stated in one of the Arrows books.
<	
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< 
< 
In Magic's Pawn, on page 241, Andrel was talking to Savil & Jaysen.  He
said that argonel was a muscle relaxant & sedative.  I guess it was
pretty powerful stuff, though and too much of it would have served as
well as any other poison.  
P.S.  Thanxs for all of your replies


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Date: Wed, 7 Feb 96 19:28:58 EST
From: Starlight-+AT+-eden.rutgers.edu
To: lackeymail:;-+AT+-eden.rutgers.edu
Subject: Bardic gift?
Message-ID: <CMM-RU.1.5.823739338.debeng-+AT+-er5.rutgers.edu>

Will someone please clarify this for me?  Does Vanyel have the bardic gift or
not?  I mean in Magic's Pawn on page 215, there's the sentence:

	"And-irony of ironies-as if the gods were taking with one hand and
offering a pittance as compensation-the bardic gift.

	But then in Magic's Promise on page 94 after he's listened to Medren
he says:

	" You are better than I was at 15.  In a few years you are going to
be better than I could ever hope to be if I practiced every hour of my
life..."

	Does this mean he has it or not? 

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Date: Wed, 07 Feb 1996 19:28:36 -0400 (EDT)
From: Mat Timmerman <ACCMJT-+AT+-vaxc.hofstra.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: I'm back!
Message-ID: <01I0XXW2EPOYQT687Y-+AT+-vaxc.hofstra.edu>

From: Becky Anne Christensen <beckyanne-+AT+-iforge.valleynet.com>
>
>	Well, we kinda started a mage war:) It started with Jaguar and 
>Shadow-lover in a mage duel. Then the MIW stepped in, and everyone 
>gathered allies, and we now have a war. There are The Ladies in Green 
>(Tammy, 'Reesa, and I) The ones in Black (Dalisar, Shadow-Lover, 
>Korendil, and I forget who else), Sunbolts (the merc company), the wolves 
>(for got the names at the moment), TMIW, Gryfalcon, and Jaguar. I think 
>that's everybody. We're just killing time, and hopefully the MIW.
                                                                  
Well, I'm hanging around, just sort of helping if needed.  You know,
I should join something.  Hey Jaguar, need another Cat Person?

Mat -- gotta think of a good Cat Person name 
accmjt-+AT+-vaxc.hofstra.edu
http://ada.hofstra.edu/~mtimme47/
People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones  :)


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Date: Wed, 07 Feb 1996 19:54:17 -0400 (EDT)
From: Mat Timmerman <ACCMJT-+AT+-vaxc.hofstra.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: ObMisty?
Message-ID: <01I0XZKKKH1UQT65PN-+AT+-vaxc.hofstra.edu>

From: "Patrick S. Waterlander" <patw-+AT+-clark.edu>
>
>Just a quick comment...what does ObMisty mean anyway?  I can't think very 
>well right now, so maybe it's something really obvious and I'll feel 
>stupid when I find out...<G>  :->
                                  
ObMisty means Obligitory Misty comment in an otherwise off-topic post.
It's used to make the messages seem at least slightly on-topic.

Mat 
accmjt-+AT+-vaxc.hofstra.edu
http://ada.hofstra.edu/~mtimme47/
People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones  :)


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Date: 07 Feb 96 20:07:09 EST
From: Jake Adamo <102744.2515-+AT+-compuserve.com>
To: M-L mailing list <mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Normal?
Message-ID: <960208010709_102744.2515_GHT33-2-+AT+-CompuServe.COM>

Becky wrote:

>More like we're all slightly strange, but all of us are,
>so here it seems normal. I know I am certainly not normal in the way
>that most people are. But after all there really isn't a true definition
>of normal. So a question, do most of you think you're different from what
>"normal" people are?
>

Stormcloud also wrote:

>I am not what most of the people here in my school
>would call normal, nor do I ever want to be.  (Just to give you an
>example of what these people consider abnormal: I am wearing two brown
>feathers in my hair, and getting odd looks.  Hey, haven't they ever seen
>a Tayledras Adept before?! :)

You, Stormcloud?  Abnormal?  You're one of the few normalest people in our
school.  Normal is a relative term.  I love the feathers.

I am completely normal--I am a gothic/fantasy fan in a school full of
stereotypical college people.  It's everyone *else* who is abnormal!  

Since we're giving clothing examples:  I do think my black cape gets some odd
(or is it admiring?) looks around the campus....  and the jewelry often does get
a reaction from most...

Anyhow, I do enjoy/flaunt my normalcy in the face of all the abnormal,
unenlightened people who attend the fine academic institution with me.  

So, the answer is that (thank the Maker) I am different from all the abnormal
people around me...  and I wouldn't change it.

- Rynath

Almost done scrounging through old mail1!!!!


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Date: 07 Feb 96 20:07:11 EST
From: Jake Adamo <102744.2515-+AT+-compuserve.com>
To: M-L mailing list <mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Lammas Night
Message-ID: <960208010710_102744.2515_GHT33-3-+AT+-CompuServe.COM>

Reesa did write:

>        Anybody  but  me  gotten  hold  of  "In  Celebration  Of  Lammas
>Night"  yet?  Bought  it  two  days  ago  and  I  just  finished  it. 

<and I did snip>

>        Please  tell  me  someone  else  went  out  and  got  this
>book!!!!!  Otherwise  I  may  have  to  afmit  that  I  have  no  life...

And Stormcloud responded:

>I don't have it yet, but I want to get it!  I love that song.  (Thanks,
>Jake :> )  

No problem, my lady Stormcloud. I love it too.

I haven't *read* Lammas Night yet--maybe because I'm not in the mood to read 20
versions of the same story.  But I do have it. 

I'm kind of depressed, though--now I'll know how the song ends.  Who wants that?


(For those of you not in the know, "Lammas Night" is on "Magic, Moondust and
Melancholy" from the Firebird catalogue, along with "Kerowyn's Ride" and a
better (although to some people that is arguable) version of "Wind's Four
Quarters," sung by Heather "If I Sung Your Calculus Textbook It Would Sound
Awesome" Alexander.)


- Rynath  (Jake in the real world)

Who is still catching up with mail from three days ago.....



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Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 20:54:08 -0500
From: "Janet R. Wendorf" <wendorjr-+AT+-elwood.udayton.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Tannim
Message-ID: <9602080200.AA16253-+AT+-enterprise.udayton.edu>



> Okay, I concede that the name thing may have been intentional, as
> opposed to Misty not knowing Tannim's whole life story when she wrote
> Jinx High.  I still think it's awfully odd.  I know if I had shown up
> one day to junior high and told people to call me by some odd name no
> one had ever heard (or an unpronouncable symbol of my own design...),
> people probably just would have laughed.  I doubt I could have convinced
> them that I needed to change my name because my imaginary dragon friend
> called me that in a dream.  Would he really have gone to all that
> trouble based on something in which he did not even believe?  Would it
> really have caught on?  Would his PARENTS really start calling him
> Tannim?
>    Okay, while admitting it's possible, I just have to say that it's
> still a stretch for me in the suspension-of-disbelief department.
> 
> 
> HTH

My first comment, is that of course, Misty is perfect, so she would 
not have any mistakes.  :)
Well, I would imagine that although we know a confident Tannim, he 
would have been more of a shy person, due to his "imaginary" friend, 
Chinthiss (I think?).  I would suspect he would not have many strong 
opinions on many things.  He was probably not rebellious, but his 
parents were probably concerned about him.  I could imagine that 
his parents would be willing to put up with a few things   Or his 
parents could have completely neglected him, if anything calling him, 
"hey you."  Of course I always like to imagine nice pasts for people. 
 I would think that somehow Tannim, would "feel" right.


Janet

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Date:        Wed, 07 Feb 1996 22:19:32 CST
From: Heather Watson <R618%NEMOMUS.bitnet-+AT+-ACADEMIC.NEMOSTATE.EDU>
To: <mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Gender
Message-ID:  <07FEB96.24111826.0164.MUSIC-+AT+-NEMOMUS>

Did Karal not that Solaris did not seem like a "woman" (or anything)
because Sons of the Sun are somehow beyond gender, or simply because she
did not conform to his Karsite expectations of what women are like?
People in our world are accused of not being like a woman or like a man,
even when they plainly are women or men, because they do not resemble
what someone was told women are like or men are like.
   Regarding Companions and gender, I don't see why they couldn't change
gender, except that we've not yet heard of any who did.  We do know that
they experience the full range of intimate affections and carnal
pleasures available to their Herald counterparts.  Just ask Talia, who
knows more than she probably wanted to about Rolan's sex life, or
Vanyel, who was always hearing about Yfandes' stallion yearnings.  What
this all means I do not yet know.

HTH

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Date:        Wed, 07 Feb 1996 22:26:19 CST
From: Heather Watson <R618%NEMOMUS.bitnet-+AT+-ACADEMIC.NEMOSTATE.EDU>
To: <mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Lifebonds
Message-ID:  <07FEB96.24233926.0164.MUSIC-+AT+-NEMOMUS>

Well, you're close.  :) Lifebonds certainly have a lot to do with
"symmetry" of personality; they happen to people who by and large suit
each other well, probably to get their attention so that they notice how
well they suit each other.  Stefan certainly did say that lovebonds had
advantages over lifebonds, although I don't think he explicitly said
that they were *better* (which I would have found mildly insulting, had
I been Van).
   Lovebonds, however, are much more common than lifebonds.  Many, many
people fall in love and remain so, in our world and in Misty's.  The
books mention many times that lifebonds are rare among Heralds, rarer
still among the general populace.

HTH

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Date:        Wed, 07 Feb 1996 22:41:07 CST
From: Heather Watson <R618%NEMOMUS.bitnet-+AT+-ACADEMIC.NEMOSTATE.EDU>
To: <mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Clubs of all descriptions
Message-ID:  <07FEB96.24500300.0164.MUSIC-+AT+-NEMOMUS>

Yeah, I know what you mean about feeling out of the loop on all this OIB
and Cat Frat and People in Paisley stuff.  I was in from the beginning,
and I still don't understand it.  Ah, I'm just jealous.  Here all these
people get to use their QO personas, and here I have a Bard, who
obviously wears red, not green or black or white or cats.  So poor
Felise is lonely, and I hate it when my characters cry.
   Oh, and BTW, is that Vanyel Fan Club the same one I heard about on
the Web with the VERY VERY TERRIFICALLY COOL t-shirt described?  Yeah,
let's hear about that t-shirt.  That is one t-shirt so cool that I
wouldn't be surprised if it could come back to life as a grove-born
tuxedo.


HTH

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Date: 08 Feb 96 00:19:08 EST
From: Jake Adamo <102744.2515-+AT+-compuserve.com>
To: M-L mailing list <mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Van Motorcycle Leathers
Message-ID: <960208051907_102744.2515_GHT88-1-+AT+-CompuServe.COM>

Esmerelda Evensbane wrote on January 31, 1996 (yes, this is old, give me a
break):

>eerrmmm - I wasn't being like totally serious y'know, my mail went on to
discuss
>sentient Lotus Elans, and Van unfolding himself off a white Harley, complete
>with white helmet, mirrored visor and leathers. (God I like that image - it's
>to many years since I gave up my Kawasaki 650 cc - I loved that machine).

Well, if we carry it forward, couldn't Van simply use an elvensteed like they
did in the Bedlam Bards series?  (But I think that's probably been said
somewhere already.... I must have 300 messages to catch up with.)

It seems to me that those two worlds are related (I apologize if this has been
said before).  The magic systems in the Tregarde/Talldeer/Serra/Bards books seem
very very similar to the Velgarath one.  Tregarde books are the most blatant
mirrors, with all that talk about shields, etc. (This is from the top of my
head, I have no books so please be merciful).

Can it be? If we push Velgarath into the future somehow, will it turn out to be
Misty's modern-day Earth setting?  

Zhai'ha'allav'a!

	+-------------------------------------------------------------+         
	|Rynath	   / 	"Conservatives wouldn't even change 	      |	
	|	  /	their underwear if they didn't have to!"      |
	|O)///////<>=======================================--------   |	
	|          \     -- Danae from David Eddings' 	              |
	|Jake IRL   \    			_The Shining Ones_    |	 
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Date: 08 Feb 96 00:19:12 EST
From: Jake Adamo <102744.2515-+AT+-compuserve.com>
To: M-L mailing list <mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Morals
Message-ID: <960208051911_102744.2515_GHT88-2-+AT+-CompuServe.COM>

Winterwind wrote:

>    I don't think it's so much that people have too many morals as
>that they apply them wrong.  I was born and raised a Christian,
>and yes, I still am one.  Yet, most "Christian" morals say that
>homosexuality is wrong.  I say that's a load of crap, that I really
>don't care who a person loves, that it's the love that matters.  Most
>"Christian" morals say that other religions are demon work.  Hey, I
>*enjoyed* the Di Tregarde books, and I *enjoyed* MZB's "Mists of
>Avalon" and I *enjoy* works that tell me more about other religions
	 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

As long as you're not lumping together those descriptive works with the fantasy
fiction works, there's no problem here.	

The condemnation of other religions by Christians bleeds into mainstream
society.  I mean, I can't even wear a pentacle out anymore without being pointed
at as a satanist. Which is ridiculous, if you understand paganism.  But that's a
whole theological discussion, and something which is difficult to get into when
the other person has no intention of listening.

(N.B. to all the misinformed: a pentacle is a 5 pointed star right side up in a
circle; that is the good one.  A pentagram is a pentacle turned upside down.)  

I mean, what's the big deal with everyone?  It seems that people just can't
accept the fact that not everyone believes in the same things that they do.  

Then, the Stormster replied:

>I think this was a very eloquent statement, and no one (I hope) would
>flame you for it, Winterwind.  I agree totally and completely.  I was
>raised Roman Catholic, and went to Roman Catholic schools for the 1st
>eight years of my schooling, where they taught us nothing about other
>religions.  They quite literally forced Catholicism down our throats.
>I lost my faith in the sixth or seventh grade, because I didn't think
>it did anything for me. 

It seems (not to bash RC's) that modern Catholicism is forceful--too forceful.  

>Without faith in something, whether it be a distant God or
>a set of personal morals that say that love is right and it doesn't
>matter who loves who or what race or sex they are, society would
>collapse into chaos.

This is true... without order, the universe would slowly spiral downward into
nothingness.  The problem is other people imposing *their* order upon other
people.  Who are they to say?  An it harm none, do what thou wilt, is what I
say.

>I may have gotten off topic.  I don't even know.  It's too early in
>the morning for me. <growl>

Stormy, any time in the morning which is still in single digits *always* is too
early!

(Lapsing out of preaching mode...)

Zhai'ha'allav'a!

	+-------------------------------------------------------------+         
	|Rynath	   / 	"Conservatives wouldn't even change 	      |	
	|	  /	their underwear if they didn't have to!"      |
	|O)///////<>=======================================--------   |	
	|          \     -- Danae from David Eddings' 	              | 	 
	|Jake IRL   \    			_The Shining Ones_    |	 
	+----------------102744.2515-+AT+-compuserve.com-------------------+



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Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 21:31:38 -0800 (PST)
From: Becky Anne Christensen <beckyanne-+AT+-iforge.valleynet.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: I'm back!
Message-ID: <Pine.BSD/.3.91.960207213024.6791C-100000-+AT+-iforge.valleynet.com>

On Wed, 7 Feb 1996, Stormcloud wrote:

> Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 21:36:25 GMT
> From: Stormcloud <WILSONJ-+AT+-stjohns.edu>
> To: beckyanne-+AT+-iforge.valleynet.com
> Subject: Re: I'm back!
> 
> >On Wed, 7 Feb 1996, Adrienne York wrote:
> >
> >> Jeez, it's been a while.
> >> It's me, Adrienne.  Finally caught up enough to rejoin the list.
> >>
> >> Can someone explain to me why there are female healers, male heralds,
> >> gender neutral Shin'a'in swordsworn, and feline sentients on this list?
> >>
> >> _____________________________________________________________________________
> >> L'enfant terrible					ayork-+AT+-simons-rock.edu
> >>                 "Wielding my power gives me great pleasure."
> >> 					-Ivan Ooze
> >	Well, we kinda started a mage war:) It started with Jaguar and
> >Shadow-lover in a mage duel. Then the MIW stepped in, and everyone
> >gathered allies, and we now have a war. There are The Ladies in Green
> >(Tammy, 'Reesa, and I) The ones in Black (Dalisar, Shadow-Lover,
> >Korendil, and I forget who else), Sunbolts (the merc company), the wolves
> >(for got the names at the moment), TMIW, Gryfalcon, and Jaguar. I think
> >that's everybody. We're just killing time, and hopefully the MIW.
> >
> >					Lady Becky
> 
> Don't forget me.  I'm a One in Black now! :)
> --Stormcloud
> 


	I probably forgot a lot of people, I apologize to everyone else I 
forgot, it's so hard to keep up with who's doing what. 

					Lady Becky


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Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 22:29:30 -0700 (MST)
From: bregalad <bregalad-+AT+-xmission.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Bardic gift?
Message-ID: <199602080529.WAA06806-+AT+-xmission.xmission.com>

> 	" You are better than I was at 15.  In a few years you are going to
> be better than I could ever hope to be if I practiced every hour of my
> life..."
> 
> 	Does this mean he has it or not? 
> 

I think he has it, but if I remember correctly, the MPawn reference 
speaks of just a trace of it. I'd think that Medren has the gift more 
strongly than Van does, and, after all, Van doesn't really need -yet 
another- powerful gift, does he? <grin>

Breg


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Date: Thu, 8 Feb 1996 00:58:05 -0500
From: Northaven-+AT+-aol.com
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Lammas Night
Message-ID: <960208005803_315966586-+AT+-emout10.mail.aol.com>

In a message dated 96-02-08 00:51:03 EST, you write:

>I haven't *read* Lammas Night yet--maybe because I'm not in the mood to read
>20
>versions of the same story.  But I do have it. 
>
>I'm kind of depressed, though--now I'll know how the song ends.  Who wants
>that?

They are quite different from each other (well, not all of them, but each was
different enough to hold my attention)...and I can say (to my aggrevation
anyway) that some of the stories did not provide what I like in an ending
(but I'm a hopless romantic fool who likes to see happily ever after pasted
everywhere) 8)  <kidding....mostly> 8)  Now I just have to go get the tape
with the song on it :)

Becky Northaven
Skyddan Guardian

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Date: Thu, 8 Feb 96 17:08:56 EST
From: mealink-+AT+-syd.au.swissbank.com (Kerry Mealing)
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Tannim
Message-ID: <9602080608.AA29638-+AT+-syd.au.swissbank.com>


Janet wrote:
> Heather wrote:
> > Okay, I concede that the name thing may have been intentional, as
> > opposed to Misty not knowing Tannim's whole life story when she wrote
> > Jinx High.  I still think it's awfully odd.  I know if I had shown up
> > one day to junior high and told people to call me by some odd name no
> > one had ever heard (or an unpronouncable symbol of my own design...),
> > people probably just would have laughed.  I doubt I could have convinced
> > them that I needed to change my name because my imaginary dragon friend
> > called me that in a dream.  Would he really have gone to all that
> > trouble based on something in which he did not even believe?  Would it
> > really have caught on?  Would his PARENTS really start calling him
> > Tannim?
> >    Okay, while admitting it's possible, I just have to say that it's
> > still a stretch for me in the suspension-of-disbelief department.
> > 
> > 
> > HTH
>
> Well, I would imagine that although we know a confident Tannim, he 
> would have been more of a shy person, due to his "imaginary" friend, 
> Chinthiss (I think?).  I would suspect he would not have many strong 
> opinions on many things.  He was probably not rebellious, but his 
> parents were probably concerned about him.  I could imagine that 
> his parents would be willing to put up with a few things   Or his 
> parents could have completely neglected him, if anything calling him, 
> "hey you."  Of course I always like to imagine nice pasts for people. 
>  I would think that somehow Tannim, would "feel" right.

His parents seem pretty nice in Chrome Circle, so I guess he had a 
reasonably good upbringing. I didn't see anything wrong with him having
a nickname that everyone uses - my family does it all the time - I 
answer to "KJ" more quickly than "Kerry", my sister answers to "Slush" 
more quickly than "Sasha" (all right, I admit it, I was the one who 
originated the Slush nickname but it's much more innocent than it sounds 
considering that she's now 9).

Actually, I'm not necessarily a good example because after a heavy
roleplaying session, (why does everything I write today sound like a
single entendre?) I answer more easily to my character's name than mine.

Anyway, dragging myself back to the point, people in my experience like
making up names, or having special names for the people they care about;
and less close people do it because it's kinda 'cool' to have a nickname
for someone.

Whew.. I'll stop rambling now.
Cheers,
KJ. (See!)
<mealink-+AT+-syd.au.swissbank.com>








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Date:        Thu, 08 Feb 1996 00:42:18 CST
From: Heather Watson <R618%NEMOMUS.bitnet-+AT+-ACADEMIC.NEMOSTATE.EDU>
To: <mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Bardic gift
Message-ID:  <08FEB96.00761548.0042.MUSIC-+AT+-NEMOMUS>

Oh!  Man! I know this one!  The Bardic Gift is the ability to make
people on some level participate in your performance; it's a bit like
empathy in that respect.  It's what Stefan used to sway people's
feelings and moods.  It has nothing to do with your ability to
play/sing/perform.  That's the Gift of Musicianship.
   So, for example, my QO persona has the Bardic Gift, but not the Gift
of Musicianship.  She breaks no glassware with a lute, but she's not
that good.  Funny thing is, people never seem to notice.  They just
enjoy the experience so totally when she performs that they hardly hear
her at all.
   And while, hey, Heather Alexander can read my textbooks anytime,
Leslie Fish will always be Tarma to me.  Even if she does scare me at
conventions.  Leslie Fish just scares me.  But I wouldn't voluntarily
miss a performance of hers; if we realworld types can have the Bardic
Gift, I think she's got it.


HTH

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Date: Thu, 8 Feb 1996 01:35:03 CST
From: jr9332-+AT+-cub.uca.edu
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: The Ones in Black
Message-ID: <761934B3115-+AT+-cub.uca.edu>

Date:          Thu, 8 Feb 1996 05:15:09 GMT
Reply-to:      mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
From:          wdjpej-+AT+-ix.netcom.com (William Jones )
To:            jr9332-+AT+-cub.uca.edu
Subject:       Re: The Ones in Black

 The ever expanding group fails to notice the small person with the 
topknot as she quietly walks into the group. She picks through 
everyone's pocket and more than a few things end up in one of her 
endless pouches. Finally someone notices her with a cry of "Thief!" 
She looks quite indigent and yells back "I am not a thief, you 
dropped this and I was going to keep it safe for you..." Suddenly all 
eyes are turned on the pair. She cheerfully waves and says "HI! You 
guys looked like you were going on an adventure and I remembered that 
my Uncle Tas used to always say 'every adventure needs a kender' so I 
thought that I would go with you. Say I really like all the black you 
are wearing! Can I get some too?" Everyone jumps away from the kender 
and those that have been around kender groan. The kender says "That 
is what most people do when they see me...i don't understand. But if 
we see any evil spirits on this adventure do not worry I have the 
famous Kender Spoon Of Turning that my Uncle Tas used to defeat the 
spirits in Raistlin's Tower." She reverently holds up a plain spoon of 
elven design. The people knowing that having a kender out of sight is 
more dangerous that having a kender in sight resign themselves to 
taking the kender with them.
I have arrived.....Fleetfoot, annoyer of cats.
             .-Pandora

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Date: Thu, 8 Feb 1996 19:47:58 +1100 (EST)
From: Catherine A Murdoch <ulcam-+AT+-dewey.newcastle.edu.au>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Consorts
Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9602081921.B19618-0100000-+AT+-dewey.newcastle.edu.au>


Those people who said that Queen Elizabeth II was unmarried when she 
became Queen Regnant are unfortunately incorrect.  She was married, had 
had at least Prince Charles by then, if not Princess Anne as well, and 
was in Africa with Prince Philip when George VI died.
  --                                                                       --
Catherine Murdoch                  | Internet: ulcam-+AT+-dewey.newcastle.edu.au
Auchmuty Library                   | Ph  (intl+61+49) 217147
University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA | Fax (intl+61+49) 215833

"Cats rule and dogs drool." -- Homeward Bound



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Date: Thu, 8 Feb 1996 04:06:46 -0500
From: Dalisair3-+AT+-aol.com
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: The Ones in Black
Message-ID: <960208040645_417489824-+AT+-emout05.mail.aol.com>

In a message dated 96-02-08 03:34:53 EST, you write:

>The ever expanding group fails to notice the small person with the 
>topknot as she quietly walks into the group. She picks through 
>everyone's pocket and more than a few things end up in one of her 
>endless pouches. Finally someone notices her with a cry of "Thief!" 
>She looks quite indigent and yells back "I am not a thief, you 
>dropped this and I was going to keep it safe for you..." Suddenly all 
>eyes are turned on the pair. She cheerfully waves and says "HI! You 
>guys looked like you were going on an adventure and I remembered that 
>my Uncle Tas used to always say 'every adventure needs a kender' so I 
>thought that I would go with you. Say I really like all the black you 
>are wearing! Can I get some too?" Everyone jumps away from the kender 
>and those that have been around kender groan. The kender says "That 
>is what most people do when they see me...i don't understand. But if 
>we see any evil spirits on this adventure do not worry I have the 
>famous Kender Spoon Of Turning that my Uncle Tas used to defeat the 
>spirits in Raistlin's Tower." She reverently holds up a plain spoon of 
>elven design. The people knowing that having a kender out of sight is 
>more dangerous that having a kender in sight resign themselves to 
>taking the kender with them.
>I have arrived.....Fleetfoot, annoyer of cats.
>             .-Pandora
>
>

  ::Dalisair looks over to Fleetfoot.:: Even you little one are welcome. We
shall have need of you in the days ahead.::A slight smile crosses his face::

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Date:          Thu, 8 Feb 1996 09:53:38 GMT
From: STOKES J <95662014-+AT+-mmu.ac.uk>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Lifebonds v. Lovebonds
Message-ID: <284AFF23EB5-+AT+-EXCALIBUR.MMU.AC.UK>

Date:          Tue, 6 Feb 1996 03:23:05 GMT
Reply-to:      mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
From:          Marissa K Lingen <mlingen-+AT+-gac.edu>
To:            95662014-+AT+-mmu.ac.uk
Subject:       Re: Lifebonds v. Lovebonds

>On this subject (morals from fantasy novels), I think SF/fantasy is  
>where Romanticism has gone.  Most other novels don't seem to portray  
>heroic figures or true right and wrong in moral struggles...  
>SF/fantasy can and does do so.  What I really like is the idea that  
>such books present that there are indeed things worse than dying and  
>things worth dying for.  I think that's a point Misty got across  
>well.  I'm a college student without any nontechnical courses this  
>semester, so I'm getting my liberal arts side out.  I'll shut up now.
>Morticia
----------------------------------------------------

I never thought of it like that. I'm doing an"Arts" course and when 
we covered the Romantics it was exellent. The Modernists etc.
did not apeal to me in the least. Bring back the Romantics!!!

I see you shiver with antici...pation

Jason[OIB] 

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Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 20:19:58 -0800
From: be248-+AT+-scn.org (SCN User)
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: I'm back!
Message-ID: <199602080419.UAA02072-+AT+-scn.org>

>	Well, we kinda started a mage war:) It started with Jaguar and 
>Shadow-lover in a mage duel. Then the MIW stepped in, and everyone 
>gathered allies, and we now have a war. There are The Ladies in Green 
>(Tammy, 'Reesa, and I) The ones in Black (Dalisar, Shadow-Lover, 
>Korendil, and I forget who else), Sunbolts (the merc company), the wolves 
>(for got the names at the moment), TMIW, Gryfalcon, and Jaguar. I think 
>that's everybody. We're just killing time, and hopefully the MIW.

	Hey, I joined you guys, Becky.  ::sniff, sniff::  Forgetting a fellow 
Lady in Green...  ::grin::

Zhai'helleva
Herald Briana

--
Herald Briana Kestyl
wc814-+AT+-freenet.victoria
be248-+AT+-scn.org
HeraldBria-+AT+-aol.com

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Date: Thu, 8 Feb 1996 10:47:56 GMT
From: mel (Melanie Dymond Harper)
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Tannim
Message-ID: <9602081047.AA20500-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk>


> Okay, I concede that the name thing may have been intentional, as
> opposed to Misty not knowing Tannim's whole life story when she wrote
> Jinx High.  I still think it's awfully odd.  I know if I had shown up
> one day to junior high and told people to call me by some odd name no
> one had ever heard (or an unpronouncable symbol of my own design...),
> people probably just would have laughed.  I doubt I could have convinced
> them that I needed to change my name because my imaginary dragon friend
> called me that in a dream.  Would he really have gone to all that
> trouble based on something in which he did not even believe?  Would it
> really have caught on?  Would his PARENTS really start calling him
> Tannim?
>    Okay, while admitting it's possible, I just have to say that it's
> still a stretch for me in the suspension-of-disbelief department.

It might have been a nickname that really seemed to _fit_, somehow. I have
a couple of friends with nicknames like that, which are used by their parents
as well; on the other hand, no nickname has ever really 'taken' on me. Guess
I'm just doomed to be plain ol' Mel. :)

Do we actually ever see mention of Tannim's real name? If his real name was
"something like" Tannim (no, I can't think what that could possibly be, either.
Martin is about as close as I can get), then we might have been more prepared
to believe that everyone would have called him that.

Cheers

Mel

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Date: Thu, 8 Feb 1996 07:50:16 -0500 (EST)
From: Catherine Osborne <cosborne-+AT+-sidwell.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Clubs of all descriptions
Message-ID: <Pine.BSD/.3.91.960208074805.278B-100000-+AT+-gateway.us.sidwell.edu>

Well, the Sunbolts (my merc company) could use a Bard ;)

yes, the Vanyel Fan Club is the same one with the (non-existant) 
tee-shirt. It was gonna get made this summer; unfortuneately I left the 
list in June for summer (I was the secretary) and in the interim Kristine 
Dow (the pres. and the person who had volunteered to make up the shirts 
and mail them out) left too, doesn't respond to email, etc; now we don't 
know what will happen. Still looking for a mover and shaker. Interested?<g>

I\/  Catherine Osborne                    "After great pain,
I\/  Sundancer                            a formal feeling comes."  
I    cosborne-+AT+-sidwell.edu                       --Emily Dickinson
I    http://www.sidwell.edu/~cosborne/              


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