MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 364

Topics covered in this issue include:

  1) OFF  TOPIC!!!  TELECOMUNICATIONS  BILL!!!
	by mrtmh-+AT+-primenet.com (puppies and dragons)
  2) Re:  nitpicking
	by Hollie Virgin <ehvirg00-+AT+-pop.uky.edu>
  3) Re: Morals (was Life/Love bonds)
	by Rosario Holsen-Baker <rholsen-+AT+-sidwell.edu>
  4) Re: Mage-duel spectators and groups
	by Rosario Holsen-Baker <rholsen-+AT+-sidwell.edu>
  5) Re: Misty's filk?
	by mrtmh-+AT+-primenet.com (puppies and dragons)
  6) Introduction
	by AnissaMoon-+AT+-aol.com
  7) intro
	by "Kendall G. Legg" <klegg-+AT+-mail.datasys.net>
  8) Re: Misty's filk?
	by Mat Timmerman <ACCMJT-+AT+-vaxc.hofstra.edu>
  9) Re: Bardic gift?
	by "Kendall G. Legg" <klegg-+AT+-mail.datasys.net>
 10) Re: re: Stef
	by "Kendall G. Legg" <klegg-+AT+-mail.datasys.net>
 11) Re: Magewar (NO ObMisty!)
	by bregalad <bregalad-+AT+-xmission.com>
 12) Re: Joining
	by Heather Watson <R618%NEMOMUS.bitnet-+AT+-ACADEMIC.NEMOSTATE.EDU>
 13) Re: Magewar (NO ObMisty!)
	by Gyrfalcon <msowers-+AT+-menger.eecs.stevens-tech.edu>
 14) Re: MERCEDES-LACKEY digest 359
	by Becky Anne Christensen <beckyanne-+AT+-iforge.valleynet.com>
 15) Re: Comparative Normality
	by Becky Anne Christensen <beckyanne-+AT+-iforge.valleynet.com>
 16) Re: Lifebonds v. Lovebonds
	by Becky Anne Christensen <beckyanne-+AT+-iforge.valleynet.com>
 17) Re: Filk
	by gjuka-+AT+-cnw.com (Gjuka)
 18) Re: Sexual Desires of Companions (was Re: M-L Digest 359)
	by gjuka-+AT+-cnw.com (Gjuka)
 19) Re: Wiccans (was re:Morals was re: Life-Love bonds)
	by gjuka-+AT+-cnw.com (Gjuka)
 20) Re: Bardic gift?
	by "Kendall G. Legg" <klegg-+AT+-mail.datasys.net>
 21) Re: OFF  TOPIC!!!  TELECOMUNICATIONS  BILL!!!
	by mel (Melanie Dymond Harper)
 22) Re: MERCEDES-LACKEY digest 359
	by STOKES J <95662014-+AT+-mmu.ac.uk>
 23) Re: Introduction
	by STOKES J <95662014-+AT+-mmu.ac.uk>
 24) Re: Joining
	by STOKES J <95662014-+AT+-mmu.ac.uk>
 25) Re: Need a Good Read w/Heroines
	by Starlight-+AT+-eden.rutgers.edu
 26) Re: Joining
	by Catherine Osborne <cosborne-+AT+-sidwell.edu>
 27) Re: Introduction
	by Catherine Osborne <cosborne-+AT+-sidwell.edu>
 28) Mage-War
	by "Winterwind" <MORRISJM-+AT+-sbu.edu>
 29) nitpicking: eyecolour
	by Birgit Hanel <bhanel-+AT+-ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de>

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Date: Thu, 8 Feb 1996 18:11:59 -0700 (MST)
From: mrtmh-+AT+-primenet.com (puppies and dragons)
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: OFF  TOPIC!!!  TELECOMUNICATIONS  BILL!!!
Message-ID: <199602090111.SAA01308-+AT+-usr2.primenet.com>

        Am  I  the  only  one  bothered  by  the  fact  that  the
telecomunications  bill  passed?  (Sorry  for  those  of  you  in  the  uk.
You  still  get  to  say  what  you  want:)  Granted  I  don't  go  trolling
for  pornography  sights,  but  according  to  the  websight  about  it,
this  bill  allows  the  FCC  to  read  EVERY  SINGLE  PEICE  OF  E-MAIL
ECT.  THAT  GET'S  SENT!!!  It  allows  them  to  regulate  what  people
have  on  their  web-sites,  and  it,  to  me,  says  that  the  US  of  A
isn't  as  free  as  we  like  to  think  it  is.  
        I  know  I'm  opening  myself  to  a  lot  of  flames  here,  and
perhaps  I  desrve  them,  but  what  happens  next?  Do  we  start  burning
the  books  that  are  banned?  I  think  Misty's  work  is  on  quite  a
few  of  those  lists...  Please  note,  I  DO  NOT  ADVOCATE  CHILD
PORNOGRAPHY!!!  I  realize  that  this  bill  is  upposedly  saving  us
from  ourselves,  but  it's  interesting  to  note  that  the  leading
researchers  of  child-lockout  programs  was  one  of  the  first  sites
to  turn  black  (In  protest,  for  those  who  haven't  seen  any  pages
like  this).  What  I  do  advocate  is  freedom  of  speech,  even
cyber-speech.

<Steps  down  off  soapbox>

                          Hoping  I  haven't  offended  anyone,

                                       Lady  'Reesa


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Date: Thu, 8 Feb 1996 20:12:37 -0500 (EST)
From: Hollie Virgin <ehvirg00-+AT+-pop.uky.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re:  nitpicking
Message-ID: <199602090112.UAA20266-+AT+-service1.cc.uky.edu>

I wrote:
>> Sorry to be so overwhelmingly Virgoish, but I must nitpick.  Technically, a
>> pentagram is just the five-pointed star, right-side up or upside-down.

Our Esteemed Listmistress (grin) asked:
>So, please define "right side up", "wrong side up"? One point upward or two
>points upwards? Also, what does this make my earrings which are ... how to
>describe them ... a pentagram with a circle superimposed, I guess; points 
>outside the circle?

One point upwards is generally considered "right side up," the way one would
"normally" draw a five-point star.  Points outside the circle I'm not sure
about... I seem to remember seeing it somewhere as a symbol of something
(helpful, ain't I? *grin*) but I'm not sure what.  Although there was a
beautiful Celtic knotwork pentacle-with-points-outside-the-circle done in
silver that I saw at a Renaissance Faire once...


Hollie Virgin				ehvirg00-+AT+-pop.uky.edu

"She will remember your heart when men are fairytales in books written by
rabbits."
		-The Last Unicorn


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Date: Thu, 8 Feb 1996 20:33:22 -0500 (EST)
From: Rosario Holsen-Baker <rholsen-+AT+-sidwell.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Morals (was Life/Love bonds)
Message-ID: <Pine.BSD/.3.91.960208203049.7378C-100000-+AT+-gateway.us.sidwell.edu>

On Fri, 9 Feb 1996, Mary Temple wrote:

> Uhm, I think you mean more "ANCIENT" faiths. Christianity, and even more so,
> Judaism, are far older than Wicca. Wicca didn't even exist in the 19th
> century, and was created by Gardner, who lived in the 20th century. I'm not
> knocking Wicca, as I believe the practitioners of it come far closer to the
> "rede" than do Christians to the "Ten Commandments". (generally. I've met
> some very "good" Christians who come closer to being without "sin" than do
> some of the Wiccans I've met.) Obviously, I'm not Wiccan. I am, however, a

	Nope! <gryn> Though I can see why you wrote that. Wicca as it is 
now was pretty much founded by Gardner, but the precepts and the root of 
it go farther back than Christianity. I'm not going to give the whole 
spiel, though, for a multitude of reasons, not the least of which being 
that it's LONG, and I don't have an ObMisty. :)
	Yes, I *am* Wiccan. :)

     |----------------------------<<JAGUAR>>------------------------|
     |   See these eyes so green I can stare for a thousand years   |
     | Colder than the moon		  Well, it's been so long   |
     | And I've been putting out fire		with gasoline       |
     |  		 David Bowie__"Cat People"  		    |
     |--------------------------------------------------------------|
			


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Date: Thu, 8 Feb 1996 20:37:06 -0500 (EST)
From: Rosario Holsen-Baker <rholsen-+AT+-sidwell.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Mage-duel spectators and groups
Message-ID: <Pine.BSD/.3.91.960208203439.7378D-100000-+AT+-gateway.us.sidwell.edu>

On Fri, 9 Feb 1996, CHONNI wrote:

>  (somebody wrote; alex snipped it)
	Don't know, but as I just had uncomfortably ('cause I started 
that rumor) brought home to me, it was Dalisar who started the Ones In 
Black. Sorry Dalisar! You were gone so long, and all I knew was that it 
was a "D" name.

> > *:Troll-friends: he broad-channel mindspeaks to the surface, :Feel free
> > to join me down here, weher we can laugh at the mage-wars on the surface:*
> > 
> 
> Now that sounds like a plan!  I've never been much for 
> unnecessary wars/battles/wholesale slaughters anyways, which is why I 
> make such a gooooood Herald...  
> 	<sound of one white Companion laughing>
> 	:Shut up Phereze!  Be nice, and you can come 'down under' too.:
> 
	Hey, I don't know about the mage-war, but the duel with 
Shadow-Lover was mostly just a contest. <sly gryn>

     |----------------------------<<JAGUAR>>------------------------|
     |   See these eyes so green I can stare for a thousand years   |
     | Colder than the moon		  Well, it's been so long   |
     | And I've been putting out fire		with gasoline       |
     |  		 David Bowie__"Cat People"  		    |
     |--------------------------------------------------------------|
			


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Date: Thu, 8 Feb 1996 18:48:10 -0700 (MST)
From: mrtmh-+AT+-primenet.com (puppies and dragons)
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Misty's filk?
Message-ID: <199602090148.SAA14605-+AT+-usr3.primenet.com>

At 01:27 AM 2/9/96 GMT, Tammy Harris wrote:
>Heyla!
>
>I have a question for those of you into Misty's music.  When I first saw
>it advertised in the back of the books, I admit, I thought it sounded 
>pretty hokey.  <Tammy ducks behind a wall and readies her fire 
>extinguisher.>  But since I joined this list, so many of you have 
>raved about it that I've started to wonder.  I figured, your taste in 
>books is pretty good..... : ) I've even gone so far as to get the 
>Firebird catalog (800) 752-0494, US only, or (503) 239-9941 OR
>and international).  So, now the question.  I'd like to order one to 
>start with.  Which one???  Help me, you're my only hope!  Opinions?
>
>Thanks muchly,
>Tammy
>
>"It's time to ask yourself what you believe"
>
>
        If  you're  into  Valdemar,  then  Shadow-Stalker  is  definately
my  fave.  I  haven't  heard  Lover's,  Lore  And  Loss  yet,  but  I've
heard  it's  pretty  good.  Oathbound  is  pretty  good  too,  but  IMNSHO,
Cecilia  Eng  shouldn't  have  tried  so  hard.  I  should  warn  you,
Leslie  Fish's  voice  is,  er,  um...  Different.  I've  never  seen  her
in  concert,  but  even  from  the  tapes  she's  on  you  can  tell  she
puts  everything  she's  got  into  her  music.  As  someone  said  in  the
Bardic  Gift  debate  (sorry,  just  cleeaned  out  my  trash  pile),  if
you  can  have  the  Bardic  Gift  in  this  world,  she's  got  it.  I
agree.  I  admit  to  being  biased  on  the  part  of Heather  Alexander
though.  Her  album  Wanderlust  is  absolutely  amazing!!!  She  sings
everything  on  SS,  and  is  also  on  Oathbound  (though  not  nearly
enough.  Larry  Warner  makes  up  for  it  though.:)
        Well,  sorry  for  being  so  long-winded.

                              May  Music  Fill  Your  Soul,

                                                Lady  'Reesa
                                     (Who  admits  that  sh'e  taking  this
mage-war  WAY  too  seriously:)


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Date: Thu, 8 Feb 1996 20:48:16 -0500
From: AnissaMoon-+AT+-aol.com
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Introduction
Message-ID: <960208204813_316729765-+AT+-emout05.mail.aol.com>

Heyla! My name is Anissa Moon, and I'm new to the Net, although not to
fantasy and fandom. I've been a member of Queen's Own for three years, but
only recently began serious work on a persona, and am still a Herald-trainee.
I've made many wonderful friends through QO and hope to make many more here,
although I must admit -- I'm not
quite sure where to begin! I guess I'll just have to wait until I get a feel
for things, <g> and can sift through all of my email.

As for a brief introduction: I'll be 18 in a couple of months and am a high
school Senior in a small town near San Francisco. I love fantasy, as I
mentioned before, as well as classics (including works by the Bronte's, Jane
Austen, etc.) and American literature
(particularly Faulkner, Poe, Hemingway, and Steinbeck). Poets and writers of
the Romantic era are also favorites, and I adore everything Gothic, 18th
century, Baroque and Renaissance. My favorite subjects are English/literature
and art history, and my
favorite Misty book is Magic's Pawn (I never cried so hard in my life as when
Tylendel died -- forget Van, *I* was in love with him! <g>), which I was
fortunate enough to get a signed copy of at Fantasy Worlds Festival '94.  Of
course (needless to say!), the
rest of the Herald-Mage trilogy and the Arrows books were nothing short of
magnificent, too. In the way of music, I love Erasure (<g> especially), Enya,
Depeche Mode, Loreena McKennitt, Clannad, Mozart and Vivaldi, among others.
I'm sure I've forgotten a few!

This is only my first day, and if anyone has any advice or tips or (please!)
explanations, info would be very much appreciated. Also, how do I find
descriptions of the different groups? How do I join (inquiry, invitation,
etc.)? 

Light and Laughter,

Anissa

Herald-Trainee Anissa Moon

*************************

"The color of the pure in soul,
Like water, shall fill the cloudless sky . . . " 
-- Erasure, "Siren Song" (from the album *Chorus*)

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Date: Thu, 08 Feb 1996 22:08:32 -0500
From: "Kendall G. Legg" <klegg-+AT+-mail.datasys.net>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: intro
Message-ID: <199602090308.WAC00252-+AT+-datasys.net>

Hi, I know I've responded to a few messages here without an introduction,
but I wanted to read some more about you all. Oh, This is my dad's account,
so Kendall Legg is not me! I'm Jason, but please call me FLYNN. That's the
name I've used for a few years now.
Like you all, I am a big Mercedes Lackey fan. My first Misty book was
"The Lark and the Wren". It was the first book I ever read that touched me
enough to make me want to read more. Even now I am researching and working
on a piece of work I hope to finish in a few months and eventually sell.
My favorite books by her are, "The Lark and the Wren" (obviously!), "The
Last Herald Mage" (I've got the 3 in one volume), and her Bard's Tale
stories. But I'll read anything with her name attached!
Well, that's about it, any questions???
 
 
FLYNN


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Date: Thu, 08 Feb 1996 22:05:57 -0400 (EDT)
From: Mat Timmerman <ACCMJT-+AT+-vaxc.hofstra.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Misty's filk?
Message-ID: <01I0ZI3HAA2A051AOM-+AT+-vaxc.hofstra.edu>

From: Tammy Harris <TAMARAH-+AT+-medicine.dmed.iupui.edu>
>                                                                   
>
>I have a question for those of you into Misty's music.  When I first saw
>it advertised in the back of the books, I admit, I thought it sounded 
>pretty hokey.  <Tammy ducks behind a wall and readies her fire 
>extinguisher.>  But since I joined this list, so many of you have 
>raved about it that I've started to wonder.  I figured, your taste in 
>books is pretty good..... : ) I've even gone so far as to get the 
>Firebird catalog (800) 752-0494, US only, or (503) 239-9941 OR
>and international).  So, now the question.  I'd like to order one to 
>start with.  Which one???  Help me, you're my only hope!  Opinions?
                                                                    
Shadow Stalker, Shadow Stalker, Shadow Stalker!  Can you guess what I
think you should get? :)  Heather Alexander's vocals are just awesome.
After that, I like Oathbound, Heralds, Harpers,and Havok, then 
Oathbreakers (I've only got those four yet).  At first, I couldn't 
stand Leslie Fish's vocals, but now, she _is_ Tarma to me.
I just wish that Misty had not sung the songs on HH&H.  Heather Alexander
would have been a better choice.

Mat 
accmjt-+AT+-vaxc.hofstra.edu
http://ada.hofstra.edu/~mtimme47/
People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones  :)



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Date: Thu, 08 Feb 1996 22:08:26 -0500
From: "Kendall G. Legg" <klegg-+AT+-mail.datasys.net>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Bardic gift?
Message-ID: <199602090308.WAA00252-+AT+-datasys.net>

At 11:56 PM 2/8/96 GMT, you wrote:
>I think Vanyel has the Bardic Gift, but it would seem that even with  
>those so gifted, there would be variations of level of ability.   
>Doesn't that make sense?  I mean, not all Healers are equally good,  
>nor all Heralds, etc., etc.
>Morticia
>
>
It does say that in the novels... They often talk about how much better
one person is at far-speach or fetching than others.



FLYNN


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Date: Thu, 08 Feb 1996 22:08:30 -0500
From: "Kendall G. Legg" <klegg-+AT+-mail.datasys.net>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: re: Stef
Message-ID: <199602090308.WAB00252-+AT+-datasys.net>

At 01:36 AM 2/9/96 GMT, you wrote:
                                
>Didn't Vanyel finally figure out the Stef/Lendel thing right before
>he died?  IIRC, he was thinking of the ForeSight dreams, with
>Stef being substituted for Lendel.  Then he thinks something like,
>"Lendel came back to me as Stef..."
>
 
Yes, right before he faced off against "darkness", he came to that
conclussion. He was remembering his dreams and how long ago they took
place.
 
FLYNN


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Date: Thu, 8 Feb 1996 21:21:16 -0700 (MST)
From: bregalad <bregalad-+AT+-xmission.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Magewar (NO ObMisty!)
Message-ID: <199602090421.VAA04636-+AT+-xmission.xmission.com>

> 
>      I don't think I want to join in quite yet, but I would love to listen in
> and see what happens! :)  

Add me to that list, please. :) 

Breg


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Date:        Thu, 08 Feb 1996 22:35:18 CST
From: Heather Watson <R618%NEMOMUS.bitnet-+AT+-ACADEMIC.NEMOSTATE.EDU>
To: <mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Joining
Message-ID:  <08FEB96.24395832.0132.MUSIC-+AT+-NEMOMUS>

All right, I give in.  I'll do it.

*She pushes back the furred hood of her mantle, revealing watchful,
serious green eyes and cheeks reddened by the deadly cold outside.
Raising a hand to push back her long blonde hair, she looks around the
gathered company.  "I have been watching for some time," she says
quietly, making them strain to catch her words, "and listening as well.
You are all honest, honorable, and kind.  I would be happy to stand with
any of you in a time of need.  My name is Felise Threelambs, and soon I
will be a Bard.  Will any of you welcome me into your company?" Humbly
she looks around her, seeing Black and White and Green and cats and
wolves and mercenaries.  Standing tall and serenely still, she watches,
and waits.*

HTH

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Date: Thu, 08 Feb 1996 23:45:36 -0500
From: Gyrfalcon <msowers-+AT+-menger.eecs.stevens-tech.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Magewar (NO ObMisty!)
Message-ID: <311AD170.689E-+AT+-menger.eecs.stevens-tech.edu>

SSCarson-+AT+-aol.com wrote:
> 
>      I don't think I want to join in quite yet, but I would love to listen in
> and see what happens! :)
>                                                             -Sarah Carson

We'll add you to the list o' Watchers.

Fair winds and skies,

--Gyrfalcon

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~msowers-+AT+-menger.eecs.stevens-tech.edu~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
     Magic still exists.  
        We have only to reach out and touch it, it is a part of the
	very fabric of the world.  When our belief of magic completely
	dies this universe shall die.  Because that magic; Hope, Dreams,
	Love, Beauty, Wonder, Belief, and Discovery are what make us a
	people. They are all part of a great Art whose workings are
	still a mystery but whose applications can be seen every day.
	If we ever lose the Art  mankind shall not last the day.  Let
	the magic that is in us roam free in our work, play, in each
	other, and most of all in ourselves.

			 Let it roam free or it will die.             
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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Date: Thu, 8 Feb 1996 21:02:20 -0800 (PST)
From: Becky Anne Christensen <beckyanne-+AT+-iforge.valleynet.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: MERCEDES-LACKEY digest 359
Message-ID: <Pine.BSD/.3.91.960208210047.17990A-100000-+AT+-iforge.valleynet.com>

On Thu, 8 Feb 1996, Birgit Hanel wrote:
> On Wed, 7 Feb 1996 clerkdj-+AT+-supreme.crt.state.vt.us wrote:
> 
> <lots of snip>
> > 
> > Ok, this is getting too long, but two quick questions: How much do we know
> > about how the Companions experience sexual desire?  I guess we know they
> > mate, but is there more to it?  And are there examples of reincarnation into a
> > nongendered being or form?  
> > 
> This reminds me of something else: While we know that Companions do, 
> eerrr, enjoy their sexuality and have offspring, we know relatively 
> little about their social, ah, behaviour (?) or structures  among 
> themselves in general. Do they have more intimate relationships or does 
> it all stay, say, casual? We certainly haven't seen life- or love-bonded 
> Companions, but is it because they are Companions or is it because they 
> are heavily involved in Valdemaran politics (-> Florian talking to Karal 
> in SW, sorry, no chapter reference)?
> 
> Khenta*
> 
	Well, my guess would be that their social structure would be much 
like the Heralds. Most of the Heralds enjoy their sexuality, but it's 
almost all casual. It makes sense, considering they used to be Heralds.

	Lady Becky


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Date: Thu, 8 Feb 1996 21:11:40 -0800 (PST)
From: Becky Anne Christensen <beckyanne-+AT+-iforge.valleynet.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Comparative Normality
Message-ID: <Pine.BSD/.3.91.960208210313.17990B-100000-+AT+-iforge.valleynet.com>

On Thu, 8 Feb 1996, Winterwind wrote:
> 
> On Thurs. 2/8/96, Jake Adamo wrote:
> 
> <<snip, snip>>
> 
> >I am completely normal--I am a gothic/fantasy fan in a school full of
> >stereotypical college people.  It's everyone *else* who is abnormal!
> 
>     Amen.  I can sympathize.  In my high school there were only about 
> 500 people total, only 60 in my class.  The town itself is only 2,000 
> people, and we're kinda out in the sticks - so *anything* different is 
> abnormal to them.  Of course, I'm in college now, but due to $$$ 
> concerns I'm still *living* in the same town... Arggghhhh!!!!
>     
>     
>                                             <<<$.02,>>
>                                             Winterwind
>     
>                                                     
> -------------------Jill M. Morrison - morrisjm-+AT+-sbu.edu----------------

	WOW! My high school has 3,600 people at the last count. That town 
must be tiny. Anyways, Even when you go to a large school, a lot of 
people are still the same. People tend to group themselves and become 
clones of each other, so you may haave lots of different groups, but 
within the groups, people are generally the same. Now, when you throw 
someone in who doesn't fit into any one group (like me), *presto* you 
have the abnormal person. Now what gets really strange, people tend to 
group the people they consider abnormal together. I think it's a riot, 
people at my school just have a hard time compreheding that you don't 
have to belong to 1 certain group. Now, to make this Misty related, how 
do you think things like this work in Valdemar? I mean the whole society, 
all we usually see is the Collegium. I would love to hear more about the 
so called normal people of Valdemar, and see if they are much like what 
we would consider normal. I use normal very loosely, by it I mean what 
most people do and society as a whole.

	Lady Becky

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Date: Thu, 8 Feb 1996 21:27:46 -0800 (PST)
From: Becky Anne Christensen <beckyanne-+AT+-iforge.valleynet.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Lifebonds v. Lovebonds
Message-ID: <Pine.BSD/.3.91.960208211450.17990C-100000-+AT+-iforge.valleynet.com>

On Fri, 9 Feb 1996, Marissa K Lingen wrote:

> This had been discussing Romanticism in SF/fantasy...
> 
> I also think that the Romanticism is what draws the more intelligent  
> kids to the genre so young (yes, I'm biased; I believe that those of  
> us who read this stuff are, on the average, more than average  
> intelligence)--I mean, who wants to read about a lousy guy who's  
> having a conflict with another lousy guy?  A bright kid is going to  
> look for the knights in shining armor--so that he/she can emulate  
> them, not so that they can save him/her in this day and age!  I mean,  
> how many of us would have dreamed of being someone a Herald rescued  
> rather than a Herald ourselves?  I think very few...I don't know,  
> it's just that we see so few heroes these days. <sigh>  Sad, isn't  
> it?

	I agree totally! I am smarter than average, and have been reading 
and drawn into books since I can remember. Misty's books drew me like no 
others, except for Mary Stewart and her trilogy about King Arthur. I long 
for days when there were Knights in Shining Armor ready to defend all 
that is good and honorable. I think that compared to books, reality 
pales. Our world today can get so....disgusting! I haven't met to many 
people ready to go out and fight for good and honor, but when I do, I 
instantly like them. I consider fictional characters to be my role-models 
in some sense. Imagine if we could live our lives as Kerowyn, or Selenay 
did, even if they aren't real, Misty has done such a good job of creating 
them, that they could be. Books are so real, and why would you want to 
read a book about something horrid, it's like putting yourself into a 
horrid place. 

	Lady Becky

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Date: Thu, 8 Feb 1996 21:51:57 -0800
From: gjuka-+AT+-cnw.com (Gjuka)
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Filk
Message-ID: <v01530506ad408fe3f10d-+AT+-[206.40.133.45]>

>    With all this discussion going on about "Lamas Night" and the
>songs on, what is it, "Moonlight, something, and Magic", I'm moved to
>ask:  which filk CD/tape would everyone most recomend to someone new
>to filk?  I'm interested in it, but I haven't the vaguest idea where
>I ought to start listening.  :)


i would recomend "by the sword" sung by meg davis, or "shadow stalker" sung
by heather alexander. almost all the songs are really good, and there are
no really glaringly awful ones like on some of the cd's and tapes. good
ones to start with.


>    Also, all the Celtic songs from "Knight of Ghosts and
>Shadows" and "Summoned to Tourney", where would be
>a good place to find them?

unfortunately, i havn't found any one tape with all the songs from this
book. but a good place to start is the album "serrated edge" by tempest.
although this is not ment for the bedlam bard series, the songs will seem
VERY familiar. specially "Mad Tom Of Bedlam" where all the books get there
names. for another suggestion, james galaway (flautist) does a wonderful
version of "shegeg, shemore"...beautiful...and the flute is so
appropriate...hoep this helps...

-colette>


gjuka-+AT+-cnw.com



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Date: Thu, 8 Feb 1996 21:54:34 -0800
From: gjuka-+AT+-cnw.com (Gjuka)
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Sexual Desires of Companions (was Re: M-L Digest 359)
Message-ID: <v01530507ad4091ab5c03-+AT+-[206.40.133.57]>


>Reincarnation as a non-gendered being:
>
>Not that I can think of.
>


not sure what was meant by this comment, but in "magic's price", the kyree
have those who are neither male nor female, but neuter. in fact, the one
who found them after van's capture and rape was a neuter.

-colette


gjuka-+AT+-cnw.com



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Date: Thu, 8 Feb 1996 22:05:37 -0800
From: gjuka-+AT+-cnw.com (Gjuka)
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Wiccans (was re:Morals was re: Life-Love bonds)
Message-ID: <v01530508ad4092718a98-+AT+-[206.40.133.57]>

>
>>Uhm, I think you mean more "ANCIENT" faiths. Christianity, and even more so,
>>Judaism, are far older than Wicca. Wicca didn't even exist in the 19th
>>century, and was created by Gardner, who lived in the 20th century.
>
>If we're talking about pagans, The Craft *predates* Judaism and Christianity.
>How could pagans be persecuted by the Catholics when catholicism first came out
>if it did not?  The spiritual background of Wiccans existed far before the
>Catholic Church.  And the concepts existed also--just not stated by a 20th
>century-er.
>

the basis of modern wicca is a variety of ancient pre christian pagan
religions. while it is true that wicca in its present form did not exsist
till modern times, it was not created by gardener, though he had  a great
influence on its form...if a single person must be credited with the
inspiration of modern wicca, it would have to be maragret murray who wrote
a number of books on the subject (long before anyone had heard of
gardener), including her famous "witch cult in western europe." gardener
did not write his book till after the anti witch laws in england were taken
off the books....i belive this was in the 50's or 60's, but without looking
i can't say for sure.

-colette


gjuka-+AT+-cnw.com



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Date: Fri, 09 Feb 1996 01:21:02 -0500
From: "Kendall G. Legg" <klegg-+AT+-mail.datasys.net>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Bardic gift?
Message-ID: <199602090621.BAA00382-+AT+-datasys.net>

At 04:33 AM 2/9/96 GMT, you wrote:
>Didn't Savil say that when Van got his mage powers, he got a little of
>everything.  Didn't she say something like the Gods must have some mercy, now
>he even has the Bardic Gift. I may be wrong, it's been a while since I've
>read that one. 
>                                                -Sarah
><Believing I had super-natural powers, I slambed into a brick wall>
>                -Paul Simmon
>
>
 
Okay, okay okay... I've decide to settle this question officially!
Here's a direct quote from the collected version of THE LAST HERALD MAGE,
on page 181 :
 
"The boy had Mindspeech, Fetching, Farsight, Foresight, as much Empathy as
Tylendel had shown, even snough Fire-starting to ensure that he'd never need
to use a tinderbox again, and the all-important Mage-Gift. His Mindspeech
was even of both types, Thought-sensing and Projecting.
        And-irony of ironies-as if the gods were taking with one hand and
offering a pittance as compensation-the Bardic Gift."
 
I hope this answers everyones questions! I still have the book in front of me
in case there is another question. No problem!
 
FLYNN


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Date: Fri, 9 Feb 1996 06:25:42 GMT
From: mel (Melanie Dymond Harper)
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: OFF  TOPIC!!!  TELECOMUNICATIONS  BILL!!!
Message-ID: <9602090625.AA12039-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk>

I do not wish to see any discussion of the latest daft idea to come
out of the US legal system on-list, please. Every _other_ list I'm on
at the moment seems to have thrown topic to the winds; let us take it
as read that those who wish to discuss it can do so elsewhere.

If the US Government wish to send someone to Britain to arrest me
for saying "fuck" in this message, leyt 'em try ...

Mel
(she who gets mortally sick of the US-centrism of the net sometimes)

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Date:          Fri, 9 Feb 1996 12:52:26 GMT
From: STOKES J <95662014-+AT+-mmu.ac.uk>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: MERCEDES-LACKEY digest 359
Message-ID: <29FAC035DD1-+AT+-EXCALIBUR.MMU.AC.UK>

Date:          Thu, 8 Feb 1996 23:44:57 GMT
Reply-to:      mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
From:          Marissa K Lingen <mlingen-+AT+-gac.edu>
To:            95662014-+AT+-mmu.ac.uk
Subject:       Re: MERCEDES-LACKEY digest 359

>Err...Bridget asked how we know Companions feel sexual desire...I  
>might be off base here, but I thought Misty had made reference to  
>Companions being just as (ahem) "active" as their Heralds, on the  
>average (obviously, activities of each vary, but...).
>Morticia>

----------------------------------------------
Absolutly correct didn't Talia get her "education" through her 
bond through Rolan.

What about Y'fandes [I think MPromise[on the way to Forst Reach 
anyway] [ Books are a 7 hour bus ride away, but only until Sunday]
getting friendly with the other Companion at the Inn.

I see you shiver with antici....pation
Jason[OIB]

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Date:          Fri, 9 Feb 1996 13:29:55 GMT
From: STOKES J <95662014-+AT+-mmu.ac.uk>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Introduction
Message-ID: <2A04B8B64BF-+AT+-EXCALIBUR.MMU.AC.UK>

Feb 9th Anissa wrote:-
>Heyla! My name is Anissa Moon,

As for a brief introduction: I'll be 18 in a couple of months and am a high
school Senior in a small town near San Francisco. I love fantasy, as I
mentioned before, my
favorite Misty book is Magic's Pawn (I never cried so hard in my life as when
Tylendel died -- forget Van, *I* was in love with him! <g>), which I was
fortunate enough to get a signed copy of at Fantasy Worlds Festival '94.  Of
course (needless to say!), the
rest of the Herald-Mage trilogy and the Arrows books were nothing short of
magnificent, too. In the way of music, I love Erasure 

This is only my first day, and if anyone has any advice or tips or (please!)
explanations, info would be very much appreciated. Also, how do I find
descriptions of the different groups? How do I join (inquiry, invitation,
etc.)? 


----------------------------------------------------------------------

Welcome to the list, great taste in music[ erasure are exellent]
Where exactly do you live as I lived in Piedmont for a year 
[8/92-8/93].

As to joining one of the groups just state in a mailing which you 
want to join[ Ones In Black, Ladies In Green, Cat People, But
 beware of The Men In White!!!!!!]

I see you shiver with antici....pation

Jason[OIB] 

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Date:          Fri, 9 Feb 1996 13:35:37 GMT
From: STOKES J <95662014-+AT+-mmu.ac.uk>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Joining
Message-ID: <2A063BE26FB-+AT+-EXCALIBUR.MMU.AC.UK>

Date:          Fri, 9 Feb 1996 08:26:41 GMT
Reply-to:      mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
From:          Heather Watson <R618%NEMOMUS.bitnet-+AT+-ACADEMIC.NEMOSTATE.EDU>
To:            95662014-+AT+-mmu.ac.uk
Subject:       Re: Joining

All right, I give in.  I'll do it.

*She pushes back the furred hood of her mantle, revealing watchful,
serious green eyes and cheeks reddened by the deadly cold outside.
Raising a hand to push back her long blonde hair, she looks around the
gathered company.  "I have been watching for some time," she says
quietly, making them strain to catch her words, "and listening as well.
You are all honest, honorable, and kind.  I would be happy to stand with
any of you in a time of need.  My name is Felise Threelambs, and soon I
will be a Bard.  Will any of you welcome me into your company?" Humbly
she looks around her, seeing Black and White and Green and cats and
wolves and mercenaries.  Standing tall and serenely still, she watches,
and waits.*

HTH
--------------------------------------------------------------

Felise the Ones in Black Would be Honoured to have a Bard
in our ranks.As you can be the one to sing our deeds to the world
 and  make us known to all

I see you shiver with antici...pation

Jason[OIB]
 

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Date: Fri, 9 Feb 96 9:39:37 EST
From: Starlight-+AT+-eden.rutgers.edu
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Need a Good Read w/Heroines
Message-ID: <CMM-RU.1.5.823876777.debeng-+AT+-er5.rutgers.edu>

< On Thu, 8 Feb 1996, Kayla wrote:
< 
< > Did anybody else read "If I Pay Thee Not in Gold"?  was a very funny book IMHO!!
< 
< I read it and didn't like it all that much.  I felt like Misty's and 
< Piers' styles just didn't work well together at all.  It felt really 
< strained and forced, like they had to make it happen, so they did. 
< I don't know, maybe it's just me.
< What do y'all think?
< _____________________________________________________________________________
< L'enfant terrible					ayork-+AT+-simons-rock.edu
<                 "Wielding my power gives me great pleasure."
< 					-Ivan Ooze
< 

I'm afraid I didn't like it too well either.  It didn't seem up to the
standards of either or their work.

       		************************************************
  	        * Contact Starlight at debeng-+AT+-eden.rutgers.edu *
       	        ************************************************                

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Date: Fri, 9 Feb 1996 09:41:55 -0500 (EST)
From: Catherine Osborne <cosborne-+AT+-sidwell.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Joining
Message-ID: <Pine.BSD/.3.91.960209094038.1159A-100000-+AT+-gateway.us.sidwell.edu>

On Fri, 9 Feb 1996, Heather Watson wrote:

> All right, I give in.  I'll do it.
> 
> *She pushes back the furred hood of her mantle, revealing watchful,
> serious green eyes and cheeks reddened by the deadly cold outside.
> Raising a hand to push back her long blonde hair, she looks around the
> gathered company.  "I have been watching for some time," she says
> quietly, making them strain to catch her words, "and listening as well.
> You are all honest, honorable, and kind.  I would be happy to stand with
> any of you in a time of need.  My name is Felise Threelambs, and soon I
> will be a Bard.  Will any of you welcome me into your company?" Humbly
> she looks around her, seeing Black and White and Green and cats and
> wolves and mercenaries.  Standing tall and serenely still, she watches,
> and waits.*

Sundancer, although only there in spirit, grins. "We'll snap you up!" she 
calls. "If you can deal with the appreciation my mercs will have for you, 
you're more than very welcome! We promise that you will have all the 
consideration of a member of the Sunbolts fighting force."

I\/  Catherine Osborne                    "After great pain,
I\/  Sundancer                            a formal feeling comes."  
I    cosborne-+AT+-sidwell.edu                       --Emily Dickinson
I    http://www.sidwell.edu/~cosborne/              


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Date: Fri, 9 Feb 1996 10:07:19 -0500 (EST)
From: Catherine Osborne <cosborne-+AT+-sidwell.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Introduction
Message-ID: <Pine.BSD/.3.91.960209100636.2492A-100000-+AT+-gateway.us.sidwell.edu>

On Fri, 9 Feb 1996, STOKES J wrote:

> As to joining one of the groups just state in a mailing which you 
> want to join[ Ones In Black, Ladies In Green, Cat People, But
>  beware of The Men In White!!!!!!]

Don't forget the mercenaries! The Sunbolts are commanded by me, accepting 
applications by private email for fighter, scout, mage, bard etc. ;)

I\/  Catherine Osborne                    "After great pain,
I\/  Sundancer                            a formal feeling comes."  
I    cosborne-+AT+-sidwell.edu                       --Emily Dickinson
I    http://www.sidwell.edu/~cosborne/              


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Date:          Fri, 9 Feb 1996 10:17:43 EDT
From: "Winterwind" <MORRISJM-+AT+-sbu.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Mage-War
Message-ID: <F0373F53BB-+AT+-pub.sbu.edu>

    OK, OK, I miss the mage-war.  Add me to your list, or whatever, 
please!

                                 Thanks, 
                                 Winterwind       
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-------------------Jill M. Morrison - morrisjm-+AT+-sbu.edu----------------
----Journalism major/English minor at St. Bonaventure University------
---------in Allegany, N.Y. - the snow capital of the world!-----------
//////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt 
-----of in your philosophy." -  "Hamlet," Act 1.5, lines 175-176.----- 
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Date: Fri, 9 Feb 1996 16:59:54 +0100 (CET)
From: Birgit Hanel <bhanel-+AT+-ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: nitpicking: eyecolour
Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.91.960209164704.66673D-100000-+AT+-aixterm2.urz.uni-heidelberg.de>

<sorry, I expunged all the messages before I realized I was going to make 
a reply>

Seems as if Andesha is not the only one to change the colour of his eyes 
between the books:

See AotQ p64: Enter Elspeth:
>"Oh! said the girl, a little of about seven with chestnut hair, *blue* 
eyes and a rather disagreeable expression on an otherwise pretty face, ...<
(my emphasizing) 

But of course there wouldn't have been any need for her eyes to bleach in 
the *Mage Winds* books... ;-)

Khenta*
who would never have dreamed of becoming a nitpicker herself one day...



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