MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 369

Topics covered in this issue include:

  1) Re: Joining
	by Becky Anne Christensen <beckyanne-+AT+-iforge.valleynet.com>
  2) Re: Storm Breaking and Silver Gryphon (Possible spoiler)
	by Becky Anne Christensen <beckyanne-+AT+-iforge.valleynet.com>
  3) Re: Storm Rising.
	by Becky Anne Christensen <beckyanne-+AT+-iforge.valleynet.com>
  4) Re: Silver Gryphon Out!!
	by "Kristin A. Ruhle" <kristin-+AT+-rahul.net>
  5) Re: Cats and dogs
	by Heather Watson <R618%NEMOMUS.bitnet-+AT+-ACADEMIC.NEMOSTATE.EDU>
  6) Re: Cats and dogs
	by Becky Anne Christensen <beckyanne-+AT+-iforge.valleynet.com>
  7) re: Mental Gifts
	by Catherine Osborne <cosborne-+AT+-sidwell.edu>
  8) Re: Searching for bad jokes...
	by Catherine Osborne <cosborne-+AT+-sidwell.edu>
  9) Re: Cats and dogs
	by Mat Timmerman <ACCMJT-+AT+-vaxc.hofstra.edu>
 10) Re: Companions
	by Mat Timmerman <ACCMJT-+AT+-vaxc.hofstra.edu>
 11) RE: Silver Gryphon Out!!
	by Joan Ferguson <joan_ferguson-+AT+-harvard.edu>
 12) Silver Gryphon/ Storm Breaking
	by "K.J.F. Loveman" <kjfl3-+AT+-hermes.cam.ac.uk>
 13) Re: Cats and dogs
	by Marissa K Lingen <mlingen-+AT+-gac.edu>
 14) Re: re: Stef
	by mealink-+AT+-syd.au.swissbank.com (Kerry Mealing)
 15) Re: bits and pieces
	by mealink-+AT+-syd.au.swissbank.com (Kerry Mealing)
 16) Re: Lifebonds vs. Lovebonds
	by mealink-+AT+-syd.au.swissbank.com (Kerry Mealing)
 17) Re: Storm Breaking and Silver Gryphon (Possible spoiler)
	by Yvonne Spangler <s003yms-+AT+-desire.wright.edu>
 18) Silver Gryphon Out!!
	by Wallace-+AT+-online.knoxnews.com
 19) Re: Silver Gryphon/ Storm Breaking
	by mel (Melanie Dymond Harper)
 20) Re: Bardic gift?
	by Stormcloud <WILSONJ-+AT+-SJUMUSIC.STJOHNS.EDU>
 21) TMBG and Misty (was Re: Cats and dogs)
	by Queen of the Darned <jlg1-+AT+-acpub.duke.edu>
 22) Re: The Ones in Black
	by Stormcloud <WILSONJ-+AT+-SJUMUSIC.STJOHNS.EDU>
 23) Re: Lammas Night
	by Stormcloud <WILSONJ-+AT+-SJUMUSIC.STJOHNS.EDU>
 24) Re: Silver Gryphon Out!!
	by Stormcloud <WILSONJ-+AT+-SJUMUSIC.STJOHNS.EDU>
 25) Re: Cats and dogs
	by Kendall Legg <klegg-+AT+-mail.datasys.net>

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Date: Sun, 11 Feb 1996 21:45:46 -0800 (PST)
From: Becky Anne Christensen <beckyanne-+AT+-iforge.valleynet.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Joining
Message-ID: <Pine.BSD/.3.91.960211214330.25454A-100000-+AT+-iforge.valleynet.com>

On Mon, 12 Feb 1996, puppies and dragons wrote:
> 
> At 10:41 PM 2/11/96 GMT, Mat T wrote:
> >From: Rosario Holsen-Baker <rholsen-+AT+-sidwell.edu>
> >
> >Hey Jaguar (or Fireheart), how many of us are there, anyway?  I know
> >that there's you, me, and McC's White Dragon, but I can't remember
> >for the life of me who else.  And where _did_ you dissapear to 
> >anyway?
> >
> >Mat 
> >
>         Well,  I'm  a  member,  and  I'm  also  a  member  of  TLIG.  I
> haven't  really  decided  what  type  of  cat  I  shift  into,  but  I'm
> thinking  on  it. I  can  also  shift  into  a  falcon  (but  not  a
> Gyrefalcon!!!!!).  I  just  hope  the  Ladies  and  the  Cat  People  never
> decide  to  attack  each  other!
> 
> 
> 
>                                           Lady  'Reesa
	I doubt that will ever happen, because ladies and cats get along 
great. Cats are to dogs what women are to men <g> I'm sure both groups 
would never come into conflict. 

	Lady Becky

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Date: Sun, 11 Feb 1996 22:00:35 -0800 (PST)
From: Becky Anne Christensen <beckyanne-+AT+-iforge.valleynet.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Storm Breaking and Silver Gryphon (Possible spoiler)
Message-ID: <Pine.BSD/.3.91.960211215745.25454C-100000-+AT+-iforge.valleynet.com>

On Mon, 12 Feb 1996, Rynath wrote:

> Okay.  Ashke wrote:
> .
> .On Sun, 11 Feb 1996, Mat T wrote:.
> .
> .> From: Declan <patw-+AT+-clark.edu>
> .> >
> .> >***WARNING***
> .> >Storm Rising spoiler follows....
> .> >
> .> >
> .> >
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> 
> <snip>
> 
> .> >
> .> >
> .> Does anyone remeber if the weapon at the Tower was meant to be a
> .> permanent solution to the mage storms or a temporary one?  If 
> .> it's permanant, then what is SB going to be about?  The names
> .> suggest that the storms will finish in SB: 
> .> Storm Warning  -- mage storms start
> .> Storm Rising   -- mage storms continue, getting worse
> .> Storm Breaking -- mage storms get their worst, and are stopped.
> .> 
> .> 
> .> Mat 
> .> 
> .I had wondered that one myself...The only thing i can figure is that the 
> .last book will be about the Eastern empire and how Tremane and Valdemar 
> .both handle the conflict with it
> 
> What I heard was that somehow Misty was tying Silver Gryphon and Storm Breaking
> *together.*  Don't ask me how--I don't know.  But I heard that something is
> going to span both books....
> 
> Zhai'ha'allav'a!
> 
>     |Rynath    /     "Dear gods--                                 |	
	That makes sense, that they would be tied together. They are both 
about the same thing, kinda, in reverse time. I was wondering why she 
would be writing 2 trilogies at the same time. That makes me want to have 
the books now! I must have all the answers! I MUST KNOW!!!!! <-look 5:)
Oh, sorry, I can wait, I must wait, hope the books come out soon, I can't 
last much longer...

	Lady Becky

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Date: Sun, 11 Feb 1996 22:05:47 -0800 (PST)
From: Becky Anne Christensen <beckyanne-+AT+-iforge.valleynet.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Storm Rising.
Message-ID: <Pine.BSD/.3.91.960211220203.25454D-100000-+AT+-iforge.valleynet.com>

On Mon, 12 Feb 1996, Rynath wrote:
> Mat typed:
> 
> .From: Magnus Edlund <magnus.edlund-+AT+-mailbox.swipnet.se>
> .>                          
> .>- The Mage Storms is IMO the best of the Valdemar series. I don't know why
> .>but I think that Misty's newer books are way better than the older ones..
> .
> .Huh.  IMHO, the earlier books were much better.  LHM and Arrows are
> .almost the only books that can make me cry consistently at certain 
> .parts 
> <snip>
> 
> LHM is a crying book indeed.  I just felt so bad for Van at some points, it was
> very depressing.  Mage Storms is okay, and I had to pull myself through White
> Gryphon.  Maybe because Misty has to fit everything new into an existing
> framework and she has less space to work with...  although a trilogy about Iftel
> would be cool....
> 
>      Rynath
	Well, I liked LHM, but I didn't cry over it. I did cry over 
Arrows though. Especially when Kris died, I really liked Kris. My other 
favorite so far is Mage Storms. I haven't completed the trilogy yet, but 
it is wonderful so far. I especially love it because it has main 
characters that aren't Heralds, or mages. It's something almost 
completely new, an alliance with the ancient enemies. And we're getting 
to know all about these other countries.

	Lady Becky

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Date: Sun, 11 Feb 1996 22:03:28 -0800 (PST)
From: "Kristin A. Ruhle" <kristin-+AT+-rahul.net>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Silver Gryphon Out!!
Message-ID: <199602120603.AA22070-+AT+-foxtrot.rahul.net>

> 
> Jean <JWSCHM00-+AT+-UKCC.uky.edu> writes:
> >
> >Went to the local bookstore today (Joseph-Beth, *fantastic*) and
> >SILVER GRYPHON IS OUT!!  Also White Gryphon in paperback.
> >
> >Mistfox
> 
> Suddenly, the lurking Nancy leaps out from under cover and does a
> triple backflip...YAAHHHOOOOO!!!! we gotta gets to the mall!
> 
It's not out everywhere yet. I just walked two miles to the nearest Super 
Crown and they didn't have it...I'd call the store first to ask if they 
have it and/or when they will. (I hit Barnes & Noble next...grin)

Kristin


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Date:        Mon, 12 Feb 1996 00:28:06 CST
From: Heather Watson <R618%NEMOMUS.bitnet-+AT+-ACADEMIC.NEMOSTATE.EDU>
To: <mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Cats and dogs
Message-ID:  <12FEB96.00506027.0025.MUSIC-+AT+-NEMOMUS>

Umm...did you mean "cats are to women what dogs are to men"?  'Cause if
you didn't, I don't think I follow what you did mean.  Save my sanity
and clear this up for me, eh?

HTH

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Date: Sun, 11 Feb 1996 23:47:57 -0800 (PST)
From: Becky Anne Christensen <beckyanne-+AT+-iforge.valleynet.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Cats and dogs
Message-ID: <Pine.BSD/.3.91.960211234303.28984A-100000-+AT+-iforge.valleynet.com>

On Mon, 12 Feb 1996, Heather Watson wrote:

> Umm...did you mean "cats are to women what dogs are to men"?  'Cause if
> you didn't, I don't think I follow what you did mean.  Save my sanity
> and clear this up for me, eh?
> 
> HTH
> 
	Okay, maybe it was a little hard to follow. Cats, are obviously 
superior, smarter, and have a mind of their own, unlike dogs, who drink 
out of toilets and drool. Women, are obviously superior, smarter, and 
have a mind of their own, unlike men, who refuse to put the toilet seat 
down, and drool. <g>
	Just to make sure, this is a joke! I always get sorta anti-male 
around V-day, so for all you guys, please don't take this seriously.

	Lady Becky 
(lookie! I got a new sig!)

I'm your only friend
I'm not your only friend
But I'm a little glowing friend
But really I'm not actually your friend
But I am
		--They Might Be Giants




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Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 07:37:54 -0500 (EST)
From: Catherine Osborne <cosborne-+AT+-sidwell.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: re: Mental Gifts
Message-ID: <Pine.BSD/.3.91.960212073650.15516D-100000-+AT+-gateway.us.sidwell.edu>

On Fri, 9 Feb 1996, Rosario Holsen-Baker wrote:

> 
> > to hero worship.  It might not always work (at least one person besides
> > Tylendel has been repudiated) but it probably works pretty often.
> > 
> 	Wait...who was that? I don't remember anyone else being 
> repudiated. IIRC, in LHM everyone is so astonished because it's never 
> happened before, and in the rest it hasn't happened since. If you're 
> talking about Lavan Firestorm <gryn> he wasn't repudiated, in AotQ Teren 
> (I think, could have been Ylsa) explains that Lavan Firestorm's Companion 
> was killed either at Burning Pines or in the battle before, and the last 
> firestorm he called down killed him. Actually, come to think of it, I 
> think that was Ylsa. 

no, it says somewhere that "the last time it happened was two hundred 
years ago" IIRC (me-+AT+-school... you know the drill ;) (oh, this is 
"present-day") so that's too late to be Tylendel.

I\/  Catherine Osborne                    "After great pain,
I\/  Sundancer                            a formal feeling comes."  
I    cosborne-+AT+-sidwell.edu                       --Emily Dickinson
I    http://www.sidwell.edu/~cosborne/              


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Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 07:57:23 -0500 (EST)
From: Catherine Osborne <cosborne-+AT+-sidwell.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Searching for bad jokes...
Message-ID: <Pine.BSD/.3.91.960212075651.15516E-100000-+AT+-gateway.us.sidwell.edu>

On Sun, 11 Feb 1996, puppies and dragons wrote:

>         Sorry  to  distract  you  when  you're  in  the  middle  of  a  war,
> but  I  went  looking  for  your  home-page  and  my  server  says  it
> doesn't  have  a DNS  entry.  I  have  the  addy  listed  as
> http://www.sidewell.edu/~rholsen  Is  that  right,  or  have  I  gone  off
> my  rocker  completely  (as  opposed  to  slightly,  like  ususal...)

sidwell, not sidewell. It should work now ;) go see my homepage too! ;)

I\/  Catherine Osborne                    "After great pain,
I\/  Sundancer                            a formal feeling comes."  
I    cosborne-+AT+-sidwell.edu                       --Emily Dickinson
I    http://www.sidwell.edu/~cosborne/              


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Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 09:07:35 -0400 (EDT)
From: Mat Timmerman <ACCMJT-+AT+-vaxc.hofstra.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Cats and dogs
Message-ID: <01I14CFM6V1E051LP5-+AT+-vaxc.hofstra.edu>

From: Becky Anne Christensen <beckyanne-+AT+-iforge.valleynet.com>
>
>	Lady Becky 
>(lookie! I got a new sig!)
>
>I'm your only friend
>I'm not your only friend
>But I'm a little glowing friend
>But really I'm not actually your friend
>But I am
>		--They Might Be Giants

Ok, this is really off-topic, but I got a sudden urge to use my
old sig  ;)

Mat

accmjt-+AT+-hofstra.edu           "They want to stop the ones who want       
mtimmerman1-+AT+-hofstra.edu       prosthetic foreheads on their heads.  But 
mtimme47-+AT+-ada.hofstra.edu      everybody wants prosthetic foreheads on   
mtimme47-+AT+-magic.hofstra.edu    their real heads."  -- They Might Be Giants  
	          http://ada.hofstra.edu/~mtimme47/





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Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 09:13:25 -0400 (EDT)
From: Mat Timmerman <ACCMJT-+AT+-vaxc.hofstra.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Companions
Message-ID: <01I14CN4Y014051LP5-+AT+-vaxc.hofstra.edu>

From: Korendil <rubin-+AT+-cent.com>
>
>Quite obviously, that means Lendel. But- wait. All fo a sudden....didn't 
>Lavan ALSO get repudiated? Was Lavan an idea she dropped? Was the preface 
>to Fall a mistake? Am I reading more into this than I should?
                                                              
Nope.  Lavan commited suicide at Burning Pines (FireStarter Final Strike
really) when his Companion was killed.

Mat

accmjt-+AT+-hofstra.edu           "They want to stop the ones who want       
mtimmerman1-+AT+-hofstra.edu       prosthetic foreheads on their heads.  But 
mtimme47-+AT+-ada.hofstra.edu      everybody wants prosthetic foreheads on   
mtimme47-+AT+-magic.hofstra.edu    their real heads."  -- They Might Be Giants  
	          http://ada.hofstra.edu/~mtimme47/


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Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 09:38:34 -0500
From: Joan Ferguson <joan_ferguson-+AT+-harvard.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: RE: Silver Gryphon Out!!
Message-ID: <199602121438.JAA20620-+AT+-elmer.Harvard.EDU>

>>Went to the local bookstore today (Joseph-Beth, *fantastic*) and
>>SILVER GRYPHON IS OUT!!  Also White Gryphon in paperback.
>>Mistfox

Yep - bought it Saturday at B. Dalton in the Cambridgeside Galleria (for
those Boston-area types) (where its 10% off in hardback!), and I've read it
twice already (SORRY - I am a fast reader, always have been :-)  Its good -
I'm still trying to figure out how SG and SB will tie in, though ...

Anyone who's read it or reading it and wants to talk, give a holler :-)

Joan

                      joan_ferguson-+AT+-harvard.edu
            Harvard University Library Preservation Office
 "Instead of loving your enemies,treat your friends a little better."
                      -Edgar Watson Howe (1853-1937)            



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Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 15:38:02 +0000 (GMT)
From: "K.J.F. Loveman" <kjfl3-+AT+-hermes.cam.ac.uk>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Silver Gryphon/ Storm Breaking
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.960212152312.6568A-100000-+AT+-blue.csi.cam.ac.uk>

I just read that Silver Gryphon and Storm Breaking are out in the 
Millenium edition (ie. in Britain) in March and September respectively
... if you want an edition with a totally naff cover that is. 
			Kate 

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Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 08:41:29 -0600 (CST)
From: Marissa K Lingen <mlingen-+AT+-gac.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Cats and dogs
Message-ID: <199602121441.IAA27214-+AT+-hermes.gac.edu>

Hey!  My dog doesn't drink out of toilets *or* drool, and she's *very*
smart!  Of course, "my" man is similarly nondrooly, so...maybe I'm just
the lucky one.
Morticia
>  > On Mon, 12 Feb 1996, Heather Watson wrote: > 
> > Umm...did you mean "cats are to women what dogs are to men"?  'Cause if
> > you didn't, I don't think I follow what you did mean.  Save my sanity
> > and clear this up for me, eh?
> > 
> > HTH
> > 
> 	Okay, maybe it was a little hard to follow. Cats, are obviously 
> superior, smarter, and have a mind of their own, unlike dogs, who drink 
> out of toilets and drool. Women, are obviously superior, smarter, and 
> have a mind of their own, unlike men, who refuse to put the toilet seat 
> down, and drool. <g>
> 	Just to make sure, this is a joke! I always get sorta anti-male 
> around V-day, so for all you guys, please don't take this seriously.
> 
> 	Lady Becky 
> (lookie! I got a new sig!)
> 
> I'm your only friend
> I'm not your only friend
> But I'm a little glowing friend
> But really I'm not actually your friend
> But I am
> 		--They Might Be Giants
> 
> 
> 


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Date: Mon, 12 Feb 96 09:42:20 EST
From: mealink-+AT+-syd.au.swissbank.com (Kerry Mealing)
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: re: Stef
Message-ID: <9602112242.AA21688-+AT+-syd.au.swissbank.com>


Matt T wrote:
> From: mealink-+AT+-syd.au.swissbank.com (Kerry Mealing)
> >
> >Oh, I think Vanyel knew by the end of LHM that Stefan was Tylendel. 
> >There's quite a few passages in M's Price where he realizes, but buries
> >the knowledge. He may not know consciously, but he does know (or he 
> >wouldn't mix them up in dreams etc) or at least suspect. I think it
> >wouldn't have come as too much of a shock - more as a super-wonderful
> >bonus confirming what he suspected.
>                                     
> Didn't Vanyel finally figure out the Stef/Lendel thing right before
> he died?  IIRC, he was thinking of the ForeSight dreams, with
> Stef being substituted for Lendel.  Then he thinks something like,
> "Lendel came back to me as Stef..."

More than likely.. I had a vague memory (no, not because it's so long
since I've read LHM, but just because most of my memories are vague *grin*)
of that but didn't want to state it in case it wasn't right. (Add usual
book-+AT+-home, me-+AT+-place-that-pays-the-bills disclaimer).

Cheers,
Kerry. <mealink-+AT+-syd.au.swissbank.com>








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Date: Mon, 12 Feb 96 11:35:52 EST
From: mealink-+AT+-syd.au.swissbank.com (Kerry Mealing)
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: bits and pieces
Message-ID: <9602120035.AA23160-+AT+-syd.au.swissbank.com>


Seanna wrote:
> Icewolf wrote:
> > Janet wrote:
> > 
> > >> Something has been bothering me for a while, so I will ask.  How do 
> > >> you know the assmption that males always come back as male is right?  
> > >> It seems like gender is not a big issue in general, in Velgarth, so 
> > >> why would the Goddess/God view it differently? I guess the question 
> > >> is what makes a soul unique and what exaclty is reicarnated?  With 
> > >> regard to the firecats,  I would think that if she wanted them to 
> > >> "breed," one of them would have conveniantly switched gender.
> 
> I think that sex cannot be inbred in souls. The whole idea seems 
> slightly spaced. I mean... sex's just a question of chromosomes, 
> right? Now, there's transsexuals who are said to be "in a wrong-sex 
> body" - but consider cultures where the differences between sexes are 
> very small. The amount of sexual misfits & of sexual violence 
> decreases a lot. Thus, if we didn't have all the preconceived notions 
> of "maleness" and "femaleness", there would probably be less (or even 
> no) people uncomfortable with their sexual roles.

A bit belated, but never mind. I tend to agree - IM-uninformed-O (not having
swapped bodies), gender based differences in thinking to a large extent
tend to be either a result of societal expectations and upbringing as a child
and hormone-related effects. There is no evidence that I know of that 
indicates a physical (in the sense of brain structure) difference between 
or cause of male and female thinking. (Yes, I know as a trend, males tend
to be better at spacial thinking whereas females tend to be better at 
linguistics and lateral thinking but I would argue that these are the results
of societal inputs rather than something inherent).

> > Well, I don't know about anybody else out there, but I'd have a 
> > much more difficult time if I woke up one day to find I was a guy 
> > than if I woke up to find myself equipped with whiskers and a long 
> > tail.  :)  
> 
> I disagree personally, but.. In a sexist society (meaning one that 
> suppresses either males or females or other genders) it probably 
> would be hard. Thus if the Son of the Sun in question was a sexist 
> pig (please excuse my language; think of Rousseau), "he" would 
> probably have a rude awakening to be female in the next life. 
> 
> OTOH, consider that same sexist patriarch transported into a culture 
> where _females are complete equals_. For example (I think) a 
> Companion. That wouldn't be too easy either. I think changing both 
> species _and_ world-view is a lot harder than just changing your 
> world-view. Not making any sense, am I? :)  

Hmmm, it might be that changing your species-view is a big enough change
that one might almost take the world-view change in one's stride (guess
who's been reading too much mage-duel stuff). I tend to think personally
that it might be an initial shock, but I think all the feedback you get
from a body (kinesthia, balance etc) would combine such that it would
quickly feel more natural. Along the lines of it being *your* body because
you're wearing it, regardless of what body you might have had previously.

Just some thoughts.
Cheers,
Kerry.




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Date: Mon, 12 Feb 96 12:26:04 EST
From: mealink-+AT+-syd.au.swissbank.com (Kerry Mealing)
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Lifebonds vs. Lovebonds
Message-ID: <9602120126.AA23714-+AT+-syd.au.swissbank.com>


Tam wrote:
> I think that lovebonds are better. In WoF pages 101-102 Stef is talking to
> Skif and Nyara and Stef says, "It takes two very strong, well-established
> personalities to make a lifebonded pair work, because if one is passive,
> he'll be eaten alive by the other. (snip, snip) . . . it isn't love, that's
> for certain, even though love usually cements the bond. (snip, snip) Love
> now- a good, solid love is something infinitely rarer and more difficult to
> maintain, because you don't know everything your partner is feeling. Love
> takes work. Love means being able to apoligize and mean it when you blunder.
> Love is worth (next page) fighting for! One of the very things that made what
> Van and I have a love-match as well as a lifebonding was that we were so
> different." Anyway that proves my point. A lovebond is better (I think) than
> a lifebond just because of the very thing that makes a lifebond a lifebond.
> When you have a lifebond whether you want to or not you feel what the other
> is feeling. In a lovebond you still get to find out what the other is feeling
> but you get to find out by talking about it instead of "knowing" it. It like
> in a lovebond you get to enjoy "finding out" about each other instead of in a
> lifebond you already "know" about them. I guess what I'm getting at is that
> in a lovebond you still  have surprises unlike in a lifebond when you already
> "know."

Hmmm, not that I necessarily disagree with a love-bond being better, but
what you said just above (lovebond having surprises, lifebond not) can't be 
right if Stef & Van have both. The way they're defined above, they're 
mutually exclusive.
>From what I've seen in the books, I'd define a life-bond as a mutual 
dependancy (2 halves of the same soul or however you care to state it)
which may or -may not- consist of two people who love each other. A 
love-bond is just that - the bond of love between two people. Now in 
the books so far, we haven't ever actually seen a life-bond where a love-bond
didn't exist as well. The closest we see is where Dirk & Talia haven't 
acknowledged their lifebond.

And being cynical, regardless of what Stef said, having a life-bond *and*
a love-bond (with the same person!) would just have to take the cake.
It'd certainly avoid the problems in a love-bond that happen occasionally
where everytime you open your mouth, you put your foot in it and wish later
that you'd had the sense to keep quiet. :)

So yes, I've changed my mind. If I had a choice, I'd take both (greedy, I
know), but otherwise go for a love-bond. :)

Cheers,
Kerry. <mealink-+AT+-syd.au.swissbank.com>




















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Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 12:14:00 -0500 (EST)
From: Yvonne Spangler <s003yms-+AT+-desire.wright.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Storm Breaking and Silver Gryphon (Possible spoiler)
Message-ID: <Pine.PMDF.3.91.960212121146.554173916C-100000-+AT+-desire.wright.edu>



On Mon, 12 Feb 1996, Rynath wrote:

> Okay.  Ashke wrote:
> .
> .On Sun, 11 Feb 1996, Mat T wrote:.
> .
> .> From: Declan <patw-+AT+-clark.edu>
> .> >
> .> >***WARNING***
> .> >Storm Rising spoiler follows....
> .> >
> .> >
> .> >
> .> >
> .> >
> .> >
> .> >
> .> >
> .> >
> .> >
> .> >
> .> >
> .> >
> .> >
> .> >
> .> >
> .> >
> .> >
> 
> <snip>
> 
> .> >
> .> >
> .> 
> .I had wondered that one myself...The only thing i can figure is that the 
> .last book will be about the Eastern empire and how Tremane and Valdemar 
> .both handle the conflict with it
> 
> What I heard was that somehow Misty was tying Silver Gryphon and Storm Breaking
> *together.*  Don't ask me how--I don't know.  But I heard that something is
> going to span both books....
> 
> Zhai'ha'allav'a!
,snip>> 


Well that wouldnt be too hard. All they would have to do is have the 
Black kings encounter the eastern empire in either book.....Maybe they 
will come to the aid of the kaled'a'in in storm warning and wipe out 
Charliss.

Ashke



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Date: 12 Feb 1996 12:25:52 EDT
From: Wallace-+AT+-online.knoxnews.com
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Silver Gryphon Out!!
Message-ID: <9602121729.AA02160-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk>

You wrote:
ME>Went to the local bookstore today (Joseph-Beth, *fantastic*) and
ME>SILVER GRYPHON IS OUT!!  Also White Gryphon in paperback.

ME>Mistfox

Mistfox, pardon me for being nosy, and forgive in advance, but *where*
is your bookstore?  USA, GB, or elsewhere? I guess what I'm trying so
hard to ask and having such little luck doing, is, is it out in the
States yet? Bookstar told me it'd be out in March . . . but if you've
got it, I'm going there this afternoon!!!

Tnx

Candace

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Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 17:40:11 GMT
From: mel (Melanie Dymond Harper)
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Silver Gryphon/ Storm Breaking
Message-ID: <9602121740.AA02522-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk>

Kate said:

> I just read that Silver Gryphon and Storm Breaking are out in the 
> Millenium edition (ie. in Britain) in March and September respectively
> .. if you want an edition with a totally naff cover that is. 
> 			Kate 
> 

For those of you in the UK, Silver Gryphon was not visible on import in London
when I checked on Saturday (actually I was looking for Julian May's 
"Magnificat", but I'd certainly have spotted SG had it been there to spot). 
Please report any sightings to me :)

Mel.


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Date:        Mon, 12 Feb 1996 12:30:22 EST
From: Stormcloud <WILSONJ-+AT+-SJUMUSIC.STJOHNS.EDU>
To: <mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Bardic gift?
Message-ID:  <12FEB96.13506712.0043.MUSIC-+AT+-SJUMUSIC>

>>Hi, I hate to interupt, but I re-read the trilogy a month or two ago. Vanyel
>>doea have the Bardic Gift. I don't recall where it says it... But I can look
>>it up if you'd like.
>
>I remember Vanyel having the Bardic Gift, however, from other things that
>she's said during the series, I don't think you can turn that off and on.
>How does he do the minstrel thing if he has the Bardic Gift? Maybe she
>forgot he had it...
>
>Shadowstar k'Anada
>ktatters-+AT+-astral.magic.ca
>Pegasus circling the midnight-sky.
>The new chapter beggining,
>with the sailorsoldier's history.

Yes, he did have it, and like any other Gift, you can use it or not use
it when you sing.  So when he was doing that minstrel thing, he just
didn't use it.  (The second book is the fuzziest one in my memory,
forgive me) I don't remember if he hid it somehow, but he didn't have
to _use_ it.

-+AT+->---
Stormcloud
Misty Maniac, Van fan, and Sailor Moon lover
wilsonj-+AT+-sjumusic.stjohns.edu

"The man that hath no music in himself,/ Nor is moved with concord of
sweet sounds,/ Is fit for treasons, stratagems, and spoils;/ The motions
of his spirit are dull as night,/ And his affections dark as Erebus."
--William Shakespeare, "The Merchant of Venice"

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Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 12:57:32 -0500 (EST)
From: Queen of the Darned <jlg1-+AT+-acpub.duke.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: TMBG and Misty (was Re: Cats and dogs)
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.960212125435.18438A-100000-+AT+-teer29.acpub.duke.edu>


I was thrilled when I found Tannim singing the entire Flood album (I 
don't remember which book it was in specifically, you know the drill, 
me-+AT+-school...).  Has anyone noticed other references to any music groups 
in Misty's work? (besides the filk singers and her own 'guest appearance' 
in _Knight of ..._)

Jenny

On Mon, 12 Feb 1996, Mat Timmerman wrote:

> From: Becky Anne Christensen <beckyanne-+AT+-iforge.valleynet.com>

> >(lookie! I got a new sig!)
> >
> >I'm your only friend
> >I'm not your only friend
> >But I'm a little glowing friend
> >But really I'm not actually your friend
> >But I am
> >		--They Might Be Giants
> 
> Ok, this is really off-topic, but I got a sudden urge to use my
> old sig  ;)
> 
> Mat
> 
> accmjt-+AT+-hofstra.edu           "They want to stop the ones who want       
> mtimmerman1-+AT+-hofstra.edu       prosthetic foreheads on their heads.  But 
> mtimme47-+AT+-ada.hofstra.edu      everybody wants prosthetic foreheads on   
> mtimme47-+AT+-magic.hofstra.edu    their real heads."  -- They Might Be Giants  
> 	          http://ada.hofstra.edu/~mtimme47/
> 

     |----------------------/=<-+AT+->=\------------------------|
"Did you ever wonder about the meaning of life, Dogbert?" 
"I used to...  But then I looked it up in the Dictionary under 'L' and 
there it was -- the Meaning of Life... It was less than I expected."


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Date:        Mon, 12 Feb 1996 12:35:35 EST
From: Stormcloud <WILSONJ-+AT+-SJUMUSIC.STJOHNS.EDU>
To: <mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk>
Subject: Re: The Ones in Black
Message-ID:  <12FEB96.13600652.0043.MUSIC-+AT+-SJUMUSIC>

>They were in my hair, little one, the whole time.  And if you don't
>give them back, I'll set my _kyree_ mindmate on you.
>
>-+AT+->---
>Stormcloud
>
> OOOHHH!!! I have never had a kyree on me..sounds fun!!!! Here
>puppy...
>  -Pandora

<raised eyebrow>  He's a bit more than a puppy, I'd say.  <The huge
lupine creature mock snarls at the kender.>  :I'd recommend you give
the feathers back, little one.  I wouldn't want to have to bite you.:

-+AT+->---
Stormcloud
Misty Maniac, Van fan, and Sailor Moon lover
wilsonj-+AT+-sjumusic.stjohns.edu

"The man that hath no music in himself,/ Nor is moved with concord of
sweet sounds,/ Is fit for treasons, stratagems, and spoils;/ The motions
of his spirit are dull as night,/ And his affections dark as Erebus."
--William Shakespeare, "The Merchant of Venice"

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Date:        Mon, 12 Feb 1996 12:51:37 EST
From: Stormcloud <WILSONJ-+AT+-SJUMUSIC.STJOHNS.EDU>
To: <mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Lammas Night
Message-ID:  <12FEB96.13889238.0043.MUSIC-+AT+-SJUMUSIC>

>Stormcloud wrote:
>
>>And for anyone who doesn't want to know the
>>ending, Misty's story in the collection is not a definitive ending.
>>(I think our ending was a good idea, Rynath-- that would be really
>>funny!:>)
>
>Which one?  We came up with so many... but if it had to do with saych, then I
>agree...
>
>- Rynath -
>
>Who, out of deference to Stormcloud, has no sig for this message.
>
>Besides the line saying I have no sig.
>
>And that previous line also.

Why thank you!
Yes, I meant the shaych ending.  For the rest of the list who has no
clue what we're talking about, Rynath and I were discussing Lammas Night
on the phone and we came up with a funny ending of our own: what if the
spirit guy was shay'a'chern and just trying to trick her until freeing
him?  (No wonder the headman of the village asked her to stay! <evil
grin!>)

-+AT+->---
Stormcloud
Misty Maniac, Van fan, and Sailor Moon lover
wilsonj-+AT+-sjumusic.stjohns.edu

"The man that hath no music in himself,/ Nor is moved with concord of
sweet sounds,/ Is fit for treasons, stratagems, and spoils;/ The motions
of his spirit are dull as night,/ And his affections dark as Erebus."
--William Shakespeare, "The Merchant of Venice"

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Date:        Mon, 12 Feb 1996 12:57:44 EST
From: Stormcloud <WILSONJ-+AT+-SJUMUSIC.STJOHNS.EDU>
To: <mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Silver Gryphon Out!!
Message-ID:  <12FEB96.13999242.0043.MUSIC-+AT+-SJUMUSIC>

>Went to the local bookstore today (Joseph-Beth, *fantastic*) and
>SILVER GRYPHON IS OUT!!  Also White Gryphon in paperback.
>
>Mistfox

YOU'RE KIDDING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
aaaaaahhhhhhhh!!!  I hope we're going to the mall this weekend, I HAVE
to get it!!!  (Ooh, I have to go to the bank, too!)  Have you read it
yet?  Is it good?  (Was that a stupid question-- it's Misty?!)  Am I
babbling in excitement yet?!  Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhh!

-+AT+->---
Stormcloud
Misty Maniac, Van fan, and Sailor Moon lover
wilsonj-+AT+-sjumusic.stjohns.edu

"The man that hath no music in himself,/ Nor is moved with concord of
sweet sounds,/ Is fit for treasons, stratagems, and spoils;/ The motions
of his spirit are dull as night,/ And his affections dark as Erebus."
--William Shakespeare, "The Merchant of Venice"

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Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 13:51:03 -0500
From: Kendall Legg <klegg-+AT+-mail.datasys.net>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Cats and dogs
Message-ID: <199602121851.NAA00286-+AT+-mail.datasys.net>


>	Okay, maybe it was a little hard to follow. Cats, are obviously 
>superior, smarter, and have a mind of their own, unlike dogs, who drink 
>out of toilets and drool. Women, are obviously superior, smarter, and 
>have a mind of their own, unlike men, who refuse to put the toilet seat 
>down, and drool. <g>
>	Just to make sure, this is a joke! I always get sorta anti-male 
>around V-day, so for all you guys, please don't take this seriously.
>
>	Lady Becky 
>(lookie! I got a new sig!)

That's okay! I understand. For some reason most females do. There's also
this sterio type about men I don't like though...
Miss Lackey certainly doesn't seem to have that feeling though!

>I'm your only friend
>I'm not your only friend
>But I'm a little glowing friend
>But really I'm not actually your friend
>But I am
>		--They Might Be Giants
>
>
Even old New York,
was once New Amsterdam,
Why'd they change it,
I can't say.
People just like it better that way!

                --They Might Be Giants <G>


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