MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 372

Topics covered in this issue include:

  1) Re: The Ones in Black
	by JR9332-+AT+-cub.uca.edu
  2) Re: The Ones in Black
	by mrtmh-+AT+-primenet.com (puppies and dragons)
  3) Re: **OFF TOPIC!** TeleCommunications Bill
	by Yvonne Spangler <s003yms-+AT+-desire.wright.edu>
  4) Re: Leslie Fish (No OB Misty)
	by Heather Watson <R618%NEMOMUS.bitnet-+AT+-ACADEMIC.NEMOSTATE.EDU>
  5) Re: Silver Gryphon Out!!
	by Yvonne Spangler <s003yms-+AT+-desire.wright.edu>
  6) Re: darkwind
	by Yvonne Spangler <s003yms-+AT+-desire.wright.edu>
  7) Re: Death of a Queen's Own's Companion
	by Mat Timmerman <ACCMJT-+AT+-vaxc.hofstra.edu>
  8) Re: The Ones in Black
	by Rynath <102744.2515-+AT+-compuserve.com>
  9) Re: Silver Gryphon Out!!
	by Korendil <rubin-+AT+-cent.com>
 10) Re: Misty's filk?
	by Korendil <rubin-+AT+-cent.com>
 11) Re. TMBG 
	by Liz4Pres-+AT+-aol.com
 12) Re: Darkwind not getting Chosen
	by "Katherine M. Brielmaier" <Katherine.M.Brielmaier-1-+AT+-tc.umn.edu>
 13) Re: Attention all groups!
	by "Katherine M. Brielmaier" <Katherine.M.Brielmaier-1-+AT+-tc.umn.edu>
 14) Re: Joining
	by Becky Anne Christensen <beckyanne-+AT+-iforge.valleynet.com>
 15) Re: Lady Becky's new sig
	by Becky Anne Christensen <beckyanne-+AT+-iforge.valleynet.com>
 16) Re: No OBMisty, but please help me out
	by mrtmh-+AT+-primenet.com (puppies and dragons)
 17) Re: Searching for bad jokes...
	by Chelsea Amberle Fischer <caf0001-+AT+-jove.acs.unt.edu>
 18) Re: Attention all groups!
	by Rosario Holsen-Baker <rholsen-+AT+-sidwell.edu>
 19) Re: Moonsong
	by Rynath <102744.2515-+AT+-compuserve.com>
 20) Foul Play
	by SupportRLA-+AT+-aol.com
 21) Re: Silver Gryphon Out!!
	by Becky Anne Christensen <beckyanne-+AT+-iforge.valleynet.com>
 22) Re: darkwind
	by Becky Anne Christensen <beckyanne-+AT+-iforge.valleynet.com>
 23) Religion
	by Becky Anne Christensen <beckyanne-+AT+-iforge.valleynet.com>
 24) Re: The future of Velgarth
	by Heather Watson <R618%NEMOMUS.bitnet-+AT+-ACADEMIC.NEMOSTATE.EDU>
 25) Re: Escapees from mundanity
	by "Kristin A. Ruhle" <kristin-+AT+-rahul.net>
 26) Re: Sci-fi, was Symbs and lifebonds differences.
	by mealink-+AT+-syd.au.swissbank.com (Kerry Mealing)
 27) Re: Mental Gifts
	by mealink-+AT+-syd.au.swissbank.com (Kerry Mealing)

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Date:          Tue, 13 Feb 1996 17:26:00 CST
From: JR9332-+AT+-cub.uca.edu
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: The Ones in Black
Message-ID: <7E970E44CCE-+AT+-cub.uca.edu>

> Date sent:      Tue, 13 Feb 1996 22:46:05 GMT
> Send reply to:  mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
> From:           "Stormcloud" <JWIL3969-+AT+-SIMCL.STJOHNS.EDU>
> To:             jr9332-+AT+-cub.uca.edu
> Subject:        Re: The Ones in Black

> > > > OOOHHH!!! I have never had a kyree on me..sounds fun!!!! Here
> > > >puppy...
> > > >  -Pandora
> > > 
> > > <raised eyebrow>  He's a bit more than a puppy, I'd say.  <The huge
> > > lupine creature mock snarls at the kender.>  :I'd recommend you give
> > > the feathers back, little one.  I wouldn't want to have to bite you.:
> > > 
> >  I've never been bitten by a wolf before...is it fun? My uncle 
> > Trapspringer was once bitten by a moose. Moose bites can be very 
> > nasty. :) 
> >    -Pandora
>    
>     <Storm sighs and shakes his head in surrender.>
>     
 I must congradulate you, you lasted longer than most. :)
   -Pandora
   

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Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 16:13:32 -0700 (MST)
From: mrtmh-+AT+-primenet.com (puppies and dragons)
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: The Ones in Black
Message-ID: <199602132313.QAA29185-+AT+-usr5.primenet.com>

At 10:20 AM 2/13/96 GMT, JR9332-+AT+-cub.uca.edu wrote:
>> Date sent:      Tue, 13 Feb 1996 00:20:22 GMT
>> Send reply to:  mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
>> From:           Stormcloud <WILSONJ-+AT+-SJUMUSIC.STJOHNS.EDU>
>> To:             jr9332-+AT+-cub.uca.edu
>> Subject:        Re: The Ones in Black
>
>> <raised eyebrow>  He's a bit more than a puppy, I'd say.  <The huge
>> lupine creature mock snarls at the kender.>  :I'd recommend you give
>> the feathers back, little one.  I wouldn't want to have to bite you.:
>> 
> I've never been bitten by a wolf before...is it fun? My uncle 
>Trapspringer was once bitten by a moose. Moose bites can be very 
>nasty. :) 
>   -Pandora
>   
>   
>       NO!  And  also,  NO,  NO,  NO!!!!!!!!!  Not  the  moose  bites
again!  Dammit,  if  I  can't  talk  about  swallows  without  being  flamed
and  called  a  Blue,  then  nobody  is  allowed  to  tempt  me  by
bringing  up  Monty  Python!!!!!  It's  not  fair,  it's  not  nice,  and
I'm  going  to  whine  if  it  happens  again!  Bloody  kender...


                    Lady  'Reesa
             (Who  thinks  this  ranks  right  up  there  with  that
"Greensleeves"  remark.  Catherine  Sundancer,  grr...)


        (I  am  kidding,  in  case  anybody  was  about  to  get  offended
<grin>)


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Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 18:16:07 -0500 (EST)
From: Yvonne Spangler <s003yms-+AT+-desire.wright.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: **OFF TOPIC!** TeleCommunications Bill
Message-ID: <Pine.PMDF.3.91.960213181257.554193964C-100000-+AT+-desire.wright.edu>



On Tue, 13 Feb 1996, Patrick S. Waterlander wrote:

> Hey everyone.  I see some of you discussing the Telecommuncations Bill 
> that has passed recently.  If anyone would like a full copy, just E-Mail 
> me at patw-+AT+-clark.edu.
> 
> ObMisty: I've been thinking about this alot.  One thing that has 
> mystified me is that Darkwind wasn't chosen when he crossed into 
> Valdemar.  From his character, I would guess that he has all the traits 
> of a herald.  Comments anyone?
> 
> Declan
> 
Wekk ut us true that he has all the traits but (as far as i know) there 
have been no tayledras heralds. I think this is because the tayledras 
serve the shin'a'in goddess in a totally different capacity than the 
heralds do. Besides, Darkwind is a full mage with a good head on his 
shoulders and not likely to be making any 'heraldic' decisions so why 
would he need a companion. Also if chosen he would have the training to 
go through and other duties a herald needs to preform that would take his 
mind of the crisis at hand (the mage storms) lots of reasons for him not 
to be chosen

Ashke



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Date:        Tue, 13 Feb 1996 17:30:59 CST
From: Heather Watson <R618%NEMOMUS.bitnet-+AT+-ACADEMIC.NEMOSTATE.EDU>
To: <mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Leslie Fish (No OB Misty)
Message-ID:  <13FEB96.18917955.0062.MUSIC-+AT+-NEMOMUS>

I just have to stick up for Leslie Fish -- just once, then I'll leave
you alone.  Yes, she has a very harsh, jagged voice (Leslie
"I-Ate-Glass-For-Lunch" Fish <g>), and YES, she's a chain-smoker which
may explain it.  But I think she's a fabulous musician.
   The Velgarth music doesn't really show Leslie off to her best
advantage.  It's written to be lighter and prettier, with a few
exceptions.  Leslie's own music is usually fierce and...well, fierce is
the best word I can think of to describe it.  It's extremely passionate,
extremely intense, ferocious.
   If you can, try to hear her sing at a con.  Request "Roll Down, Lord"
(a Midsummer song) or "Cool Johnny" (based on a short story by Harlan
Ellison, and my personal favorite Leslie Fish song, which I've never
been able to find on tape), or just listen to her sing.  She really
amazed me every time I've seen her.
   Of course, you may still hate her voice.  Which is your
Constitutional right (at last check -- gotta keep an eye on those
Constitutional rights).  But at least I'll feel better.  And that's all
I really care about.  <g>


HTH
    <DS9: Twice the plot, and still that great Trek taste>

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Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 18:38:09 -0500 (EST)
From: Yvonne Spangler <s003yms-+AT+-desire.wright.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Silver Gryphon Out!!
Message-ID: <Pine.PMDF.3.91.960213183637.554193964D-100000-+AT+-desire.wright.edu>

> And ... in the front of the book where she does the time line and the lists
> of all the novels ... there's no other Velgrath books mentioned after SB.
> Does this mean she's done with this universe? :-(
> 
> Joan
> 
Ih gods i certainly hope not! I will go through withdrawls if she quits 
writing Velgarth books. Hopefully she just doesnt know where she is going 
nest of she is going out of Valdemar for the next one (like to iftel)

Ashke



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Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 18:39:44 -0500 (EST)
From: Yvonne Spangler <s003yms-+AT+-desire.wright.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: darkwind
Message-ID: <Pine.PMDF.3.91.960213183902.554193964E-100000-+AT+-desire.wright.edu>

> Also, Darkwind doesn't have mind-magic, does he? Or would that matter? 
> 
> Becky
> ----------
> Preserve nature -- pickle a squirrel.
> 
> 
Boy do i feel dense now....I didnt even think of that.

Ashke

> 

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Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 18:25:35 -0400 (EDT)
From: Mat Timmerman <ACCMJT-+AT+-vaxc.hofstra.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Death of a Queen's Own's Companion
Message-ID: <01I16A67VZBM051UZZ-+AT+-vaxc.hofstra.edu>

From: Stormcloud <JWIL3969-+AT+-SIMCL.STJOHNS.EDU>
>
>> I was thinking about something last night in hockey(guess I didn't 
>QUITE > have my mind on the game;>)
>> If a herald's companion dies, the herald normally either dies or goes 
>> into trauma, correct?
>> If the Queen's Own's companion dies, supposedly(according to AotQ at 
>> least) a new companion comes out of the grove. What happens to the 
>> Queen's Own herald? Is the Queen's Own special in that they don't suffer 
>> trauma at the death of their companion?
>> 
><snip most of sig-- sorry>
>> -Ash
>> sandwurm-+AT+-computek.net
>
>If the MO _Herald_ dies, it has no effect on the MO's Companion.  I 
>don't have any proof, but I'd have to say that when the Companion 
>dies, the MO Herald goes too, and the new MO Companion is Grove Born 
>and Chooses a new MO Herald.  If anybody has any proof of this, let 
>me know-- my books are at home.
                                
Nope.  According to AotQ (which is at home, but I've read it enough 
times to know what happens) and Talia's ever-informative Orientation
class, when the MOC dies, and the MO doesn't, the new MOC always picks 
the current MO.

Mat 
accmjt-+AT+-vaxc.hofstra.edu
http://ada.hofstra.edu/~mtimme47/
People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones  :)




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Date: 13 Feb 96 18:58:13 EST
From: Rynath <102744.2515-+AT+-compuserve.com>
To: M-L mailing list <mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk>
Subject: Re: The Ones in Black
Message-ID: <960213235813_102744.2515_GHT114-1-+AT+-CompuServe.COM>

Pandora wrote:

. I've never been bitten by a wolf before...is it fun? My uncle 
.Trapspringer was once bitten by a moose. Moose bites can be very 
.nasty. :) 

You know, a moose bit my sister once... 

<G>

Zhai'ha'allav'a!

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    |Jake IRL  \                              _Magic's Promise_   |	 
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               "I am not a number!  I am a human being!"


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Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 18:44:04 -0600
From: Korendil <rubin-+AT+-cent.com>
To: "Misty List" <mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Silver Gryphon Out!!
Message-ID: <199602140044.SAA21807-+AT+-ns.cent.com>

>Korendil, if you think it's bad in Florida, you should see what it's  
>like to try to get good fantasy books on time in the Midwest...if  
>there's a fantasy-cultural center of the universe, I live in the  
>farthest point from it!
>Morticia, who probably won't see SG for *months*, can I have some  
>cheese to go with my whine?
>


Thats rather ironic, considering thats where Misty LIVES, for Gods' 
sakes! And C.J. Cherryh, for that matter. and Larry Dixon, o course...so 
it IS a fantasy universe...if not very cultural if Misty's comments 
before the Wheedwhacker Masscre, also seen in Jinx High have any 
truthdom. Here...I'll <ken> you some cheese...which flavor? 


************
As I find I have no ASCII skill, I'm gonna do a hypercube instead...
Till then:
Korendil -+AT+- undermac ; rubin-+AT+-cent.com
*****************************


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Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 18:48:39 -0600
From: Korendil <rubin-+AT+-cent.com>
To: "Misty List" <mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Misty's filk?
Message-ID: <199602140048.SAA21975-+AT+-ns.cent.com>

>From: Korendil <rubin-+AT+-cent.com>
>>
>>>snip

>>no no no no no...the V&H ones...<shudder> those....those...I use the term 
>>when I shouldn't, "voices"...ech. HHH is very well done, if rather 
>>old...I didn't find LLL at par, though. I'd say HHH, FFF (not Velgarth, 
>>but...) , SERRAted Edge, and Across the Borders.
>
>How can you _not_ like the Larry Warner Shin'a'in songs?  Or even the 
>Heather Alexander songs?

Oh, those are fine...but what about when Eng and Fish have a whole side 
to themselves? Or am I thinking o something else?! I just bought so much 
stuff I can't really say <gryn>
>
>>
snip
>>
>>n/o..but I can not STAND her. OR Eng. I thought I'd die when it was only 
>>the two of them, as Ash can vouch.
>>
>
>She _really_ bothered me at first.  I don't really like Leslie Fish's voice,
>but remember how Kethry described Tarma's voice.  It sounded like she
>had been smoking for many years, and that was after it had healed as 
>much as it could.  Leslie Fish's voice fits that.  :)
>
>Mat (CP)

You know, thats something I've been wondering for *quite* awhiles, though 
it might be stated...how DID Tarma's voice get wracked? How does having 
you clan wiped out destroy a beautiful voice?


************
As I find I have no ASCII skill, I'm gonna do a hypercube instead...
Till then:
Korendil -+AT+- undermac ; rubin-+AT+-cent.com
*****************************


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Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 19:54:45 -0500
From: Liz4Pres-+AT+-aol.com
To: MERCEDES-LACKEY-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re. TMBG 
Message-ID: <960213195444_421845606-+AT+-emout09.mail.aol.com>

Istanbul was Constantinople

BUTTTTT! Before that, it was Byzantine.

Just thought you'd like to know.
                                               Liz4Pres
                                               She wishes she was a white
winds wizard

"Meet James Einsor"

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Date: Tue, 13 Feb 96 20:25:29 CST
From: "Katherine M. Brielmaier" <Katherine.M.Brielmaier-1-+AT+-tc.umn.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Darkwind not getting Chosen
Message-ID: <83605.brie0030-+AT+-gold.tc.umn.edu>

On Tue, 13 Feb 1996 01:58:48 GMT, 
Patrick S. Waterlander  <patw-+AT+-clark.edu> wrote:

>ObMisty: I've been thinking about this alot.  One thing that has 
>mystified me is that Darkwind wasn't chosen when he crossed into 
>Valdemar.  From his character, I would guess that he has all the traits 
>of a herald.  Comments anyone?
>

Well, IMHO (and didn't this get discussed a few months ago? or am I just 
going batty again?)  Darkwind already has a job.  He's a  Tayledras adept 
and is needed to cleanse the land of magic (and, of course, teach 
attractive young Heirs to the Throne on the side ;>)  Of course, he's 
planning to stay in Valdemar, no?  So he's not really using his cleansing 
abilities...hmm....well, he could be needed to fix some of the messes that 
this mage-energy/heartstone is creating, and it's best to have a Trained 
Professional (tm) don't you think?

Besides, I just like the fact that Misty didn't make this another "Two 
Heralds in Love" thing, like it always seems to go.  Is there any mention 
of Heralds who are in love with or married to non-Heralds?  (Besides the 
one who left his wife after he got Chosen, I mean.)

Kaatje 
(who is cursing her trembling hands--just finished Tai Chi for the 
day and my muscles are being disobedient.  Took me forever to write this 
darned thing.)


A man came up to me and said:
"I'd like to poison your mind
with wrong ideas that appeal to you
though I am not unkind."
                           --TMBG

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Date: Tue, 13 Feb 96 20:34:34 CST
From: "Katherine M. Brielmaier" <Katherine.M.Brielmaier-1-+AT+-tc.umn.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Attention all groups!
Message-ID: <84099.brie0030-+AT+-gold.tc.umn.edu>

On Tue, 13 Feb 1996 10:12:08 GMT, 
Mat Timmerman  <ACCMJT-+AT+-vaxc.hofstra.edu> wrote:
                           
>Well, we're sort of having fun on private e-mail.  Tossing levin-bolts and
>such at each other.  As it stands now, it seems to be the Cat People, 
>TLIG, and TOIB vs. Gyrfalcon and his MIW, and the wolves and Sunbolts 
>with their own little agenda.  If you want to watch, let us know, so
>we can put you on our lists.
>
>Mat (Cat Person)

Kaatje, One in Black, having bided her time (until midterms were over) 
draws her sword and prepares to enter the fray.

Count me in, please!

(Now if only someone could teach me that Shin'a'in war cry.)

Kaatje

A man came up to me and said:
"I'd like to poison your mind
with wrong ideas that appeal to you
though I am not unkind."
                           --TMBG

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Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 17:37:16 -0800 (PST)
From: Becky Anne Christensen <beckyanne-+AT+-iforge.valleynet.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Joining
Message-ID: <Pine.BSD/.3.91.960213173547.12453C-100000-+AT+-iforge.valleynet.com>

On Tue, 13 Feb 1996, Korendil wrote:

> >	I doubt that will ever happen, because ladies and cats get along 
> >great. Cats are to dogs what women are to men <g> I'm sure both groups 
> >would never come into conflict. 
> >
> >	Lady Becky
> 
> 
> aHEM! I just happen to be MALE...I just happen to HATE dogs...and I just 
> HAPPEN to have a cat. so THERE! I LOVE cats! And, anyways, Karal isn't 
> female and he..well...sorta/almost/in-a-way has a cat. And that was sent 
> by V'Kandis, a MALE God. A *male* God who sends *cats* to people. so 
> there. ha. ha. HA
> 
> ************
> As I find I have no ASCII skill, I'm gonna do a hypercube instead...
> Till then:
> Korendil -+AT+- undermac ; rubin-+AT+-cent.com
> *****************************
	Read the next post from me explaining my new anology. I said 
don't take it seriously, I just get anti-male around v-day (aka Eeeeevil 
day) Nothing personal. I'll be my normal self in about 3 days:)

	Lady Becky

I'm your only friend
I'm not your only friend
But I'm a little glowing friend
But really I'm not actually your friend
But I am
		--They Might Be Giants




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Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 17:40:23 -0800 (PST)
From: Becky Anne Christensen <beckyanne-+AT+-iforge.valleynet.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Lady Becky's new sig
Message-ID: <Pine.BSD/.3.91.960213173857.12453D-100000-+AT+-iforge.valleynet.com>

On Tue, 13 Feb 1996 Liz4Pres-+AT+-aol.com wrote:

> Granted, this is off topic, but I would just like to congradulate Lady
> Becky's new sig:
> 
> >I'm your only friend
> >I'm not your only friend
> >But I'm a little glowing friend
> >But really I'm not actually your friend
> >But I am
> >		--They Might Be Giants
> 
> from the song "A Birdhouse in Your Soul"  (Or something pretty close to
> that), because I just think They Might Be Giants "The Flood" Album is just
> ALL THAT.  
> 
> Sorry to take up your E-Mail.  Bye.
> 
>                                                      Reink
> "I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate.  And I
> can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it."  -Jack
> Handy-
> 
> GO MISTY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
	Why thank you! I couldn't decide between that one and Dr. Suess. 

	Lady Becky

I'm your only friend
I'm not your only friend
But I'm a little glowing friend
But really I'm not actually your friend
But I am
		--They Might Be Giants




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Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 18:31:42 -0700 (MST)
From: mrtmh-+AT+-primenet.com (puppies and dragons)
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: No OBMisty, but please help me out
Message-ID: <199602140131.SAA03006-+AT+-usr5.primenet.com>

At 11:45 PM 2/13/96 GMT, Heather Watson wrote:
>Heyla, all.  I was lately siezed with a mad yen to edit and publish a
>'zine.  <I've been called a masochist from time to time.> I'm very
>excited about this project, BUT....
>   It occurs to me that I don't know how in heaven's name to go about
>this.  This is where you all come in....
>   Have any of you ever published a 'zine?  Know anyone who has?  Are
>there any resources I could look over that would help me get my
>bearings?
>   Please, if you can contribute any wisdom, from the philosophical to
>the deeply practical (the latter preferred), I stand in sore need of it.
>E-mail me, or have anyone you know who'd like to give me a hand e-mail
>me, at:
>   R618%nemomus.bitnet-+AT+-academic.nemostate.edu
>Or, if you have hard copy for me to take a look at, you can mail it to
>me here at school:
>   Heather Watson
>   502 Missouri Hall
>   Kirksville, MO 63501
>     (Re: Endless Frontiers)
>
>
>Zhai'elleva
>
>HTH
>
>       I  am  the  editor  of  a  Robert  Jordan  newsletter/fan-club,  and
I  also  started  an  editor's  group  to  help  out  newcomers  (Like,
uhm,  er,  me...),  so  I'd  be  happy  to  help  you  out.  I'm  heading
out  the  door  right  now,  but  if  you  want  to  send  me  a  letter
with  some  specific  questions,  I  promise  to  answer  it  soon.  Best
of  luck!


                          May  Emerald  Waters  Keep  You,

                                           Lady  'Reesa
                                   (Who  still  hasn't  finished  her  sig,
                                    but  is  getting  really  good  at  typing
                                    these  little  end  messages...)


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Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 20:43:42 -0600 (CST)
From: Chelsea Amberle Fischer <caf0001-+AT+-jove.acs.unt.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Searching for bad jokes...
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.960213204231.22801A-100000-+AT+-jove.acs.unt.edu>

On Tue, 13 Feb 1996, Elisa Shapiro wrote:

> 
>... Chelsie Clinton...


Sorry, I know this has nothing to do with anything, but it's ChelsEA 
Clinton...



				---Chelsea 
				   (no, not *that* one :)

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Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 21:52:23 -0500 (EST)
From: Rosario Holsen-Baker <rholsen-+AT+-sidwell.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Attention all groups!
Message-ID: <Pine.BSD/.3.91.960213215111.3294B-100000-+AT+-gateway.us.sidwell.edu>

On Tue, 13 Feb 1996, Sandra K Haas wrote:

> OK, I am throwing my hat in the ring-which ring I haven't decided yet.  
> Who wants a persona in development, definite Mage-potential, with a 
> sneaky, wisecracking Companion-partner??
> 
	Speaking for the Cat People, we'd love to have you, and speaking 
for myself, we need someone else who understands when we talk to thin 
air! <ggg>

     |----------------------------<<JAGUAR>>------------------------|
     |   See these eyes so green I can stare for a thousand years   |
     | Colder than the moon		  Well, it's been so long   |
     | And I've been putting out fire		with gasoline       |
     |  		 David Bowie__"Cat People"  		    |
     |--------------------------------------------------------------|
			


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Date: 13 Feb 96 22:00:57 EST
From: Rynath <102744.2515-+AT+-compuserve.com>
To: M-L mailing list <mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Moonsong
Message-ID: <960214030057_102744.2515_GHT88-10-+AT+-CompuServe.COM>

Okay.  I don't remember who it was (I didn't save the address!) talking about
Moonsong as a handle, and I sent them something via email about it.  I got a "no
problem" answer from the person I was talking about (I thought she was on the
list, but she wasn't).

Sorry to clutter up the list like this, but I can't remember who you are!

OBMISTY:  There's no list of new Velgarath books in the new Storm book--maybe
Misty is simply taking a vacation.  She did write at least 10 novels last year
(that's a low number, I know) with 2 trilogies being written at the same time...

Zhai'ha'allav'a!

    +-------------------------------------------------------------+         
    |Rynath    /     "Dear gods--                                 |	
    |         /                 it's a conspiracy of fools!"      |
    |  O)/////I<>=======================================--------  |	
    |         \     -- Vanyel from Mercedes Lackey's              |
    |Jake IRL  \                              _Magic's Promise_   |	 
    +----------------102744.2515-+AT+-compuserve.com-------------------+
               "I am not a number!  I am a human being!"




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Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 22:21:05 -0500
From: SupportRLA-+AT+-aol.com
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Foul Play
Message-ID: <960213222104_421992783-+AT+-emout05.mail.aol.com>

 Some foul deamon has consumed my account. I am now here to again lead my
Ones In Black! Beware to all.

 Dalisair Gemwind

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Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 19:39:10 -0800 (PST)
From: Becky Anne Christensen <beckyanne-+AT+-iforge.valleynet.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Silver Gryphon Out!!
Message-ID: <Pine.BSD/.3.91.960213193631.16455A-100000-+AT+-iforge.valleynet.com>

On Tue, 13 Feb 1996, Joan Ferguson wrote:

> >Greetings,
> >12 Feb 96 17:29, Joan Ferguson <joan_ferguson-+AT+-harvard.edu> wrote:
> >>JF> I'm still trying to figure out how SG and SB will tie in, though
> 
> (snip, snip)
> And ... in the front of the book where she does the time line and the lists
> of all the novels ... there's no other Velgrath books mentioned after SB.
> Does this mean she's done with this universe? :-(
> 
> Joan
> 
>                       joan_ferguson-+AT+-harvard.edu
>             Harvard University Library Preservation Office
>  "Instead of loving your enemies,treat your friends a little better."
>                       -Edgar Watson Howe (1853-1937)            

	Noooooo! She can't! I really hope not, there's so much more for 
her to write about. You know I had a dream last night that there were two 
more trilogies, one was something about...uh...I don't remember, it had a 
b and a m in it though. You know how dreams are. 

	Lady Becky

I'm your only friend
I'm not your only friend
But I'm a little glowing friend
But really I'm not actually your friend
But I am
		--They Might Be Giants




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Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 19:42:49 -0800 (PST)
From: Becky Anne Christensen <beckyanne-+AT+-iforge.valleynet.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: darkwind
Message-ID: <Pine.BSD/.3.91.960213194018.16455B-100000-+AT+-iforge.valleynet.com>

On Tue, 13 Feb 1996, this desk set wants to fly! wrote:

> 
> > Declan said on Tue, 13 Feb 1996 01:58:51 GMT
> > > ObMisty: I've been thinking about this alot.  One thing that has 
> > > mystified me is that Darkwind wasn't chosen when he crossed into 
> > > Valdemar.  From his character, I would guess that he has all the traits 
> > > of a herald.  Comments anyone?
> > > 
> > > Declan
> > > 
> > 
> > 
> > This occurred to me at one point and one way I rationalized it was 
> > because of Elspeth.  She renounced her claim to the throne and to 
> > make her more ineligible, she is involved with a Tayledras.  Now if 
> > Darkwind was chosen, this would make him a more acceptable future 
> > consort.  Maybe this is "fate" that he is not chosen, even though he 
> > would appear otherwise to be an acceptable herald, more or less.   I think it 
> > was in SR that he stayed in Valdemar and there was some comment about 
> > him now living there, so he does consider it his home, I think.
> > 
> > 
> > Janet
> > 
> 
> Also, Darkwind doesn't have mind-magic, does he? Or would that matter? 
> 
> Becky
> ----------
> Preserve nature -- pickle a squirrel.
> 
	What are the odds of having another Becky on the list? Not as 
slim as I guessed, I guess. Anyways, he has to have mind-magic, because 
he can talk with Vree. And he also mind-speaks many other people. And if 
I'm not mistaken, doesn't the mage-gift count as mind-magic? Even if it 
doesn't, he could add to the ranks of Herald Mages in Valdemar. But I 
just don't think it would be right having him be a Herald. It somehow 
just doesn't seem possible.

	Lady Becky

I'm your only friend
I'm not your only friend
But I'm a little glowing friend
But really I'm not actually your friend
But I am
		--They Might Be Giants




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Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 20:03:36 -0800 (PST)
From: Becky Anne Christensen <beckyanne-+AT+-iforge.valleynet.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Religion
Message-ID: <Pine.BSD/.3.91.960213180024.13667A-100000-+AT+-iforge.valleynet.com>


Okay, looks like we have enough people to atart a real discussion. 
Everyone who wants to, tell us. So far there's me 
<beckyanne-+AT+-iforge.valleynet.com>

McCaffrey's White Dragon
<gipple-+AT+-clark.edu>

Breg
<bregalad-+AT+-xmission.com>

Chonni Brightwolf
<k_moll-+AT+-cariboo.bc.ca>

	Who else wants in? Sorry if I forgot anybody.

	Lady Becky

I'm your only friend
I'm not your only friend
But I'm a little glowing friend
But really I'm not actually your friend
But I am
		--They Might Be Giants




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Date:        Tue, 13 Feb 1996 23:06:14 CST
From: Heather Watson <R618%NEMOMUS.bitnet-+AT+-ACADEMIC.NEMOSTATE.EDU>
To: <mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk>
Subject: Re: The future of Velgarth
Message-ID:  <13FEB96.24952360.0032.MUSIC-+AT+-NEMOMUS>

I think a plotline about Sunsinger and Shadowdancer would be cool.
Misty really needs to get back to working with a very few major
characters and going into depth on them and their relationships.  I
think that's what she does best.
   Her most effective stuff, IMO, has been the stuff with the smallest
cast of characters.  In LHM, there was really only Vanyel, and Stef in
the second book -- Savil and Tylendal were important, but obviously
secondary characters.  In Arrows, it was the Talia-Dirk-Kris trio,
backed up with secondaries like Skif.  By the Sword had Kerowyn...just
Kerowyn.  The problem I have with the later series is that the
characterization is spread to thin.  Even in a trilogy, there isn't time
to bond as deeply with a cast that includes Elspeth, Darkwind, Firesong,
gryphons, Nyara, and all the characters from the old books, all trying
to get their special time, not to mention having to share the stage with
the bad guy, who gets more lines than Elspeth.
   Misty does characters very well, and the more intimately she handles
them, the better it works.  That's just her style.  I think something
that focused on two characters and the interplay between them would be a
good move on Misty's part.  Why not use your strengths to your
advantage?  That's what her characters always do when planning strategy
<g>


HTH
    <Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy
       and good with catsup>

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Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 22:10:00 -0800 (PST)
From: "Kristin A. Ruhle" <kristin-+AT+-rahul.net>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Escapees from mundanity
Message-ID: <199602140610.AA18914-+AT+-jive.rahul.net>

> 
> Korendil wrote that the Terilee river was named after someone at Firebird 
> and asked for other examples. I don't have my books with me but if I remember 
> right one of the mages the mages in the Gryphon series is called 
> Viktaren (??) -- use your imagination and it sounds like Victor Wren who 
> draws the Valdemar maps.
> 		Kate
> 

Whoa! I *never* got that one before! (Viktaren I mean - Teri Lee is the
cofounder and head of Firebird) I do know that Misty writes real people
into her urban fantasy books - both as good guys and bad guys! Her friends
get written into good roles...piss her off and you'll get a very
unflattering one and a nasty death! (For instance, she admits that all the
victims in _Burning Water_ were "real life nuisances" such as ex-bosses,
annoying neighbors and such.) I spotted Leslie Fish in _Summoned to 
Tourney_, toward the end - singing in the ritual to stop the earthquake. 
(Anyone else know what song it is? I know, but the tape is out of print.) 

Some more I do think I know: The "housebroken" pet bird in _Elvenblood_ 
is named after Misty's Blue-streak Lory, and having read Misty's 
description of that bird in the Queens Own newsletter, I know she was 
writing pure wish-fulfillment! Kechara's namesake is another of her 
birds, a Goffin's cockatoo. 

Kristin



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Date: Wed, 14 Feb 96 17:26:20 EST
From: mealink-+AT+-syd.au.swissbank.com (Kerry Mealing)
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Sci-fi, was Symbs and lifebonds differences.
Message-ID: <9602140626.AA03576-+AT+-syd.au.swissbank.com>


A bit delayed, but that's life.

Seanna wrote:
> Morticia wrote:
> 
> > Now hold on one friggin' second.  Who's maligning Heinlein?  What  
> > author alive is better than Heinlein? (yes, I realize that that will  
> > get me killed in this group--let me amend it to SF author, Misty and  
> > other fantasy folks as exceptions)  How on God's earth is anyone more  
> > *interesting*?  This I have to see!

<snip>

> About "interesting": I'm personally allergic to Heinlein. Read 
> "Podkayne of Mars" and you'll see why. I admit that there's a few 
> good Heinlein books, like, whassitsname, you know, the one about 
> martians and the actor who's hired to impersonate this politician 
> thingy, but...

Personally, I always thought _Podykayne_ was very well written and
like most sci-fi of its era, a warning rather than a goal. It is in
some senses, rather sexist, but at the same time, it's about a more-or-less
dysfunctional family, with a daughter whose goal in life is to marry
into position, power & money and a son who bears all the hallmarks of a 
genius-level amoral sociopath.
Interesting reading. And someone said that Heinlein writes about 
*technology* and is a hard sci-fi author? Surely they jest..

Cheers,
Kerry. <mealink-+AT+-syd.au.swissbank.com>








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Date: Wed, 14 Feb 96 17:31:56 EST
From: mealink-+AT+-syd.au.swissbank.com (Kerry Mealing)
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Mental Gifts
Message-ID: <9602140631.AA03592-+AT+-syd.au.swissbank.com>


Heather Watson wrote:
>    Oh, and while I'm at it, I have another question, vaguely related to
> the gender situation and Companions.  If you are a gay Herald, do you
> reincarnate as a gay Companion?  I can't recall any mention of gay
> Companions, but it seems a bit silly to say that Sherri or Keren is
> going to return to this plane as a heterosexual mare just because.
>    Now, I can see the anatomical difficulties inherent in this issue,
> not so much for male Companions as for females.  Do the gods just kindly
> arrange for all female Companions to be heterosexual because lesbian sex
> as a horse is just so damned difficult?  And males become heterosexual
> just for symmetry?  Naah, none of this sounds terribly plausible.
> Somebody give me a better answer.

Well, no one else answered it. :) (Possibly because others have better 
taste than I).
I think it falls into the realms of authors-perogative-to-avoid hassles.
If I were to consider it seriously, I might not agree that gay male 
companions have it much easier than females, but we won't go into that.
Hmm, mind-magic might be of some use, and inventive Companions would no
doubt manage.

Whew.. how about that.. Got out of that with almost a PG rating. Not
bad eh?

Cheers,
Kerry. <mealink-+AT+-syd.au.swissbank.com>








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