MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 373 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Pentagrams? by mealink-+AT+-syd.au.swissbank.com (Kerry Mealing) 2) Re: bits and pieces by mealink-+AT+-syd.au.swissbank.com (Kerry Mealing) 3) Re: Re. TMBG by fearless-+AT+-ix.netcom.com (Chris Berry) 4) Re: Searching for bad jokes... by Catherine Osborne 5) Re: The Ones in Black by Rosario Holsen-Baker 6) Re: Attention all groups! by Sandra K Haas 7) Re: darkwind by Gyrfalcon 8) Literary Criticism...Valdemar style! by "Icewolf" 9) Re: Darkwind not getting Chosen by Tammy Harris 10) Re: Foul Play by Tammy Harris 11) Re: Darkwind by "Stormcloud" 12) Tarma's voice by "Icewolf" 13) Re: Attention all groups! by STOKES J <95662014-+AT+-mmu.ac.uk> 14) Re: Wiccanism and the Misty List by STOKES J <95662014-+AT+-mmu.ac.uk> 15) Re: Attention all groups! by STOKES J <95662014-+AT+-mmu.ac.uk> 16) Re: Attention all groups! by "Stormcloud" 17) Re: darkwind by STOKES J <95662014-+AT+-mmu.ac.uk> 18) Re: Silver Gryphon Out!! by "Stormcloud" 19) Ones In Black by "Stormcloud" 20) Re: No OBMisty, but please help me out by Sandra K Haas 21) Re: Pentagrams? by Sandra K Haas 22) Re: The Ones in Black by "Stormcloud" 23) Re: Death of a Queen's Own's Companion by "Stormcloud" 24) Re: Tarma & Darkwind by Heather Watson 25) Re: Pentagrams? by jc-+AT+-crosfield.co.uk (Jerry Cullingford) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 14 Feb 96 17:35:25 EST From: mealink-+AT+-syd.au.swissbank.com (Kerry Mealing) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Pentagrams? Message-ID: <9602140635.AA03603-+AT+-syd.au.swissbank.com> Mel wrote: > Hollie wrote: > > Sorry to be so overwhelmingly Virgoish, but I must nitpick. Technically, a > > pentagram is just the five-pointed star, right-side up or upside-down. A > > pentacle is the pentagram inside a circle, and I'm not sure whether > > upside-down pentacles are still called pentacles or not. But even > > upside-down ones aren't always the mark of a Satanist...some pagan > > traditions use it as a mark of a higher degree of learning or status... > > > > I apologise for being off-topic... > > I hereby declare this on-topic, because I'm interested :) (listmistress's > perogative, don't you know :)). Sorry, but my mailer bounced mail over the weekend, then ate Monday's accumulations, so I missed any reply to this - can someone explain the difference to me too please? (And is one of them what's known as the Star of David / Seal of Solomon?) Thanks, Kerry. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Feb 96 17:53:36 EST From: mealink-+AT+-syd.au.swissbank.com (Kerry Mealing) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: bits and pieces Message-ID: <9602140653.AA03785-+AT+-syd.au.swissbank.com> Adrienne wrote: > On Mon, 12 Feb 1996, Kerry Mealing wrote: > > > A bit belated, but never mind. I tend to agree - IM-uninformed-O (not having > > swapped bodies), gender based differences in thinking to a large extent > > tend to be either a result of societal expectations and upbringing as a > > child > > and hormone-related effects. There is no evidence that I know of that > > indicates a physical (in the sense of brain structure) difference between > > or cause of male and female thinking. > > Just for posterity's sake, testerone actually does increase the size and, > i think, change the shape of brain cells. Also, girls who have received > abnormally high levels of testosterone before or during birth, w/o > receiving enough sorts of chemicals to turn 'em male, show behavior > differences which are more similar to a stereotypical "boy" pattern. > Now, with this behavior, it might be that their parents *expected* them > to act more masculine and so let them.... or something. I dunno. Really? I knew that hormones affect behavioural patterns, but I didn't realize (and am perhaps a little skeptical about) it changing the shape and size of brain cells. On the other hand, males tend to have larger bodies, but I'd always attributed the different hat sizes to swollen heads, rather than more [by weight] brain tissue. Hmm. Live and learn I guess. Kerry. -- Who is working his way through a waaaay too full mailbox. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 00:13:29 -0800 From: fearless-+AT+-ix.netcom.com (Chris Berry) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Re. TMBG Message-ID: <199602140813.AAA23333-+AT+-ix6.ix.netcom.com> You wrote: > >Istanbul was Constantinople > >BUTTTTT! Before that, it was Byzantine. > >Just thought you'd like to know. > Liz4Pres > She wishes she was a white >winds wizard > >"Meet James Einsor" > True, but before that it was part of the Roman Empire, and before that, it wasn't part of any empire. Fearless ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 07:48:10 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine Osborne To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Searching for bad jokes... Message-ID: On Tue, 13 Feb 1996, Elisa Shapiro wrote: > Don't you know? It's the school where Chelsie Clinton goes > (sorry Catherine, but that is your number one claim to fame. Don't you > love living in D.C.?) grrrrrrrrrrrrrr. Do you know how many people have asked me about her, esp. since she's in my class? I hate you Elisa... (which could make things at the SMYAL conference difficult... ) ObMisty: I think one reason why Darkwind wasn't chosen is the same reason Karal won't be: he's already bonded to something. Now granted a bondbird isn't up there with Companions or Firecats, but still, there could be something in the mind preventing more than one bond. I\/ Catherine Osborne "After great pain, I\/ Sundancer a formal feeling comes." I cosborne-+AT+-sidwell.edu --Emily Dickinson I http://www.sidwell.edu/~cosborne/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 08:07:43 -0500 (EST) From: Rosario Holsen-Baker To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: The Ones in Black Message-ID: On Wed, 14 Feb 1996, puppies and dragons wrote: > > NO! And also, NO, NO, NO!!!!!!!!! Not the moose bites > again! Dammit, if I can't talk about swallows without being flamed > and called a Blue, then nobody is allowed to tempt me by > bringing up Monty Python!!!!! It's not fair, it's not nice, and > I'm going to whine if it happens again! Bloody kender... > I thought you were a Green. BTW, I agree with you about kender. How about this, if said kender shows up, McWhite, will you cart him/her/them out of here? That's the last thing we need around here. |----------------------------<>------------------------| | See these eyes so green I can stare for a thousand years | | Colder than the moon Well, it's been so long | | And I've been putting out fire with gasoline | | David Bowie__"Cat People" | |--------------------------------------------------------------| ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 08:51:35 -0500 (EST) From: Sandra K Haas To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Attention all groups! Message-ID: Is it ok that I have a dog instead of a cat? (whole family is allergic to cats :{) If its ok, point me at the bad guys!! (everybody else might want to duck just to be safe!!) Sandy the sigless On Wed, 14 Feb 1996, Rosario Holsen-Baker wrote: > On Tue, 13 Feb 1996, Sandra K Haas wrote: > > > OK, I am throwing my hat in the ring-which ring I haven't decided yet. > > Who wants a persona in development, definite Mage-potential, with a > > sneaky, wisecracking Companion-partner?? > > > Speaking for the Cat People, we'd love to have you, and speaking > for myself, we need someone else who understands when we talk to thin > air! > > |----------------------------<>------------------------| > | See these eyes so green I can stare for a thousand years | > | Colder than the moon Well, it's been so long | > | And I've been putting out fire with gasoline | > | David Bowie__"Cat People" | > |--------------------------------------------------------------| > > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 08:58:32 -0500 From: Gyrfalcon To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: darkwind Message-ID: <3121EA88.64CD-+AT+-menger.eecs.stevens-tech.edu> > Becky wrote: > > Also, Darkwind doesn't have mind-magic, does he? Or would that matter? Yvonne Spangler replied: > Boy do i feel dense now....I didnt even think of that. He does have mind-magic. Not as much as we normally see, but he is something of a mind-speaker, IIRC. Almost all of the hawkbrother mages are. --Gyrfalcon ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~msowers-+AT+-menger.eecs.stevens-tech.edu~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Magic still exists. We have only to reach out and touch it, it is a part of the very fabric of the world. When our belief of magic completely dies this universe shall die. Because that magic; Hope, Dreams, Love, Beauty, Wonder, Belief, and Discovery are what make us a people. They are all part of a great Art whose workings are still a mystery but whose applications can be seen every day. If we ever lose the Art mankind shall not last the day. Let the magic that is in us roam free in our work, play, in each other, and most of all in ourselves. Let it roam free or it will die. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 09:12:51 EST5EDT From: "Icewolf" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Literary Criticism...Valdemar style! Message-ID: <3EA22A4662D-+AT+-apps.sbu.edu> >From: Heather Watson >Subject: Re: The future of Velgarth >I think a plotline about Sunsinger and Shadowdancer would be cool. So do I, but I think Misty has out and out said, "No Sunsinger and Shadowdancer stories," and likewise with the very early history of Valdemar. IIRC, she wants to keep that shrouded in mystery. Now, what *I* want to see is a story about Savil's early career! According to Magic's Pawn, as soon as she got to Haven's gate, Kellan sauntered up and Chose her. Can you imagine young Savil when this big white horse wanders up and says, "Hi. You're coming with me." Sorry, folks, but she's my favorite all time Misty character, even over Vanyel. A collection of all the Tarma and Kethry stories in a single volume would be cool, too. >Misty really needs to get back to working with a very few major >characters and going into depth on them and their relationships. I >think that's what she does best. I think you're right, but I'd also have to say that she's getting better at the more diversified and complex plotlines. IMHO, Winds of Fate was an absolute disaster. I hated it. But she does the same thing 300% better in the Storms books, i.e. switching between two points of views/plots [Valdemar/Karal and Hardorn/Tremane]. Also, if you think about it, yes, she's fairly littered with secondary characters these days, but the main POV (point of view) characters are still very few. Take The Black Gryphon, for instance. There's Skan, Amberdrake, Winterhart, and I *think* Zhaneel whose points of view are written at different times. Next are people we hear about but don't really get their inside view: Gesten, Zhaneel (if she doesn't belong to the preceding group), Tamsin, Cinnabar, Urtho, Vikteren, Conn Levas, Aubri, and Kechara. Then there are the people mentioned in passing, such as Lionwind and assorted Generals. In Arrows of the Queen, we had only one point of view, Talia's, but we also had Rolan, Selenay, Elspeth, Teren, Keren, Sherril, Ylsa, Dirk, Kris, Skif, Albrich, Mero, Griffon, Jeri, and a few others whose names I can't remember (such as the older Herald Talia befriends at Midwinter). Now, I know they're not all important characters, but a lot of them are. > Her most effective stuff, IMO, has been the stuff with the smallest >cast of characters. In LHM, there was really only Vanyel, and Stef in >the second book -- Savil and Tylendal were important, but obviously >secondary characters. Whoa!! Hold the boat a second! Savil and 'Lendel "secondary?" There wouldn't be any plot if not for Tylendel. Vanyel wouldn't be a Herald if not for him! (OK, granted, it was because of the dumb stunt he pulled that also got him repudiated, but anyway.) And how can Savil be secondary? Her POV is all over Magic's Pawn, 'Lendel's death, Van's initial recovery at Haven.... Her face-off with Within (IMO) is one of the best things Misty has ever written. And what about Yfandes? We don't really see her in Magic's Pawn, but she is certainly a major character in Promise. OK, I just realized you were talking about the second book, but I think you see my point. (BTW, Stef didn't show up until Magic's Price.) Even in Promise, Jervis is a major character, as Jervis's treatment of him as a child is one of the things Van has to work through. And even 'Lendel, though dead, looms largely in Promise, as Van is still working his way through his grief. >By the Sword had Kerowyn...just Kerowyn. What about Elden? Tarma and Kethry? Daren (who even has a stint with the POV)? There was more to By the Sword than Kerowyn. >The problem I have with the later series is that the >characterization is spread to thin. Even in a trilogy, there isn't >time to bond as deeply with a cast that includes Elspeth, Darkwind, >Firesong, gryphons, Nyara, and all the characters from the old >books, all trying to get their special time, not to mention having to >share the stage with the bad guy, who gets more lines than Elspeth. As far as the Winds trilogy goes, I think you're right. I think Misty had too many strings dangling about to weave a good, tight storyline. But I don't remember seeing so many past characters in the Winds. Really, only Selenay and Talia at the very beginning of Fate, and then the only "hangovers" we have are Elspeth and Skif (with a special appearance by Quenten). However, in the Storms books, there aren't *quite* so many threads hanging around, and not *quite* so many different characters. Characters from the past (such as Elspeth and Talia) make brief appearances, usually as plot devices to move the story along (Talia introduces Karal to An'desha, for instance). It's got a much better "villain," too. What I didn't like about Falconsbane was that he was a Misty-stock-bad guy: a cruel control freak with a sadistic, twisted sexuality. In Tremane, we have a bad-guy-who-isn't-a-bad-guy. You'd have to read the books to understand that bit, or I'd have to post **SPOILER** at the beginning of this message, and that wouldn't be any fun at all. :) > Misty does characters very well, and the more intimately she handles >them, the better it works. That's just her style. I think something >that focused on two characters and the interplay between them would be a >good move on Misty's part. Well, I'd have to say that if she were going to continue to write books set at the Palace/Collegium in Have, she can't really do that. There are just too many good people running around that the characters could use as resources. Besides, the Heraldic Circle is that: a circle, not just a bunch of people who all happen to dress in white and have these funny looking horses. Something that has always struck me about the Heralds is their sense of community, both in reference to their circle and Valdemar as a whole. They give up their lives, once chosen, to serve the larger community of Valdemar as a whole. They are subject to and answer to the Circle, to each other, to their own sub-community. Skif does not refer to the Circle as the family he never had for nothing. And, if you're writing about a Herald, you can't but him/her within 50 miles of another Herald without that community becoming apparent. And what about the Companions? Heralds, I've noticed, are a distinctly two-for-one deal. You don't get a Herald without a Companion. If you want two humans, if only one is a Herald, you're going to get *three* characters when that Companion sticks his pretty white nose into whatever's happening. Hence, such an isolationist plotline wouldn't work (with Heralds, mind you.) Of course, there's nothing that says Misty couldn't get a couple of Heralds lost in the Pelagirs. :) But what I really want to know is why I can sit here and prattle on about characterization in Mercedes Lackey but William Blake absolutely baffles me. :) Talk to you all later. Zhai'helleva! Lyn Lyn Belzer * P.O. Box 234 St. Bonaventure, NY 14778 * 716/379-3034 ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* Maddness exacts its toll. Please have exact change. -Ursula Herz's neighbor's board Is this a blessing, or is it a curse? Does it get any better, can it get any worse? Does it go on forever, is it over tonight? Does it come with the darkness, does it bring out the light? ...I don't know what it is.... -Meat Loaf, "It Just Won't Quit" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 09:15:57 -0500 From: Tammy Harris To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Darkwind not getting Chosen Message-ID: <1DDB6897CED-+AT+-medicine.dmed.iupui.edu> On Feb 14, Kaatje wrote: > Besides, I just like the fact that Misty didn't make this another "Two > Heralds in Love" thing, like it always seems to go. Is there any mention > of Heralds who are in love with or married to non-Heralds? (Besides the > one who left his wife after he got Chosen, I mean.) How 'bout: Tylendel and Vanyel Vanyel and Stefan Elspeth and Darkwind (is this one cheating?) Selenay and Evil-First-Husband (Thanel?) Skif and Nyara Tammy "It's time to ask yourself what you believe" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 09:18:39 -0500 From: Tammy Harris To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Foul Play Message-ID: <1DDC202761E-+AT+-medicine.dmed.iupui.edu> On Wed, Feb 14, Dalisair Gemwind wrote: > Some foul deamon has consumed my account. I am now here to again lead my > Ones In Black! Beware to all. It was probably Gyrfalcon and the Men in White! (don't even *think* it, Gyr!) Tammy "It's time to ask yourself what you believe" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 09:55:32 EST From: "Stormcloud" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Darkwind Message-ID: <119E70371C4-+AT+-SIMCL.STJOHNS.EDU> > > > ObMisty: I've been thinking about this alot. One thing that has > > mystified me is that Darkwind wasn't chosen when he crossed into > > Valdemar. From his character, I would guess that he has all the traits > > of a herald. Comments anyone? > > > > Declan I want to apologize for getting the names wrong. You see, I have a persona named Darkmoon, and I think I have Darkmoon on the brain, because I keep slipping and using his name instead of Darkwind. Foregive me, all? This is how the mesasage should have read: > I don't think any Tayledras would be Chosen, because as part of > their > bargain or whatever with the Star-Eyed, they are sworn to heal the > land in the Pelagirs. Just because Darkwind and Firesong are away > from their Clans does not mean they are not still bound by this. At > least, that is my humble opinion. -+AT+->--- In the name Stormcloud of the Moon One in Black I'll punish you! the Misty maniac jwil3969-+AT+-simcl.stjohns.edu (Note the addy change, everybody!!!) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 10:00:39 EST5EDT From: "Icewolf" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Tarma's voice Message-ID: <3EAEE2A199D-+AT+-apps.sbu.edu> >You know, thats something I've been wondering for *quite* awhiles, though >it might be stated...how DID Tarma's voice get wracked? How does having >you clan wiped out destroy a beautiful voice? Actually, it was the injuries she recieved during the raid. IIRC from "Sword Sworn," they more or less strangled Tarma and left her for dead. As a semi-professional singer (I get a scholarship from my University Chorus) I know the kinds of things that can wreck a voice. There were probably some particularly nasty things done to her larynx and windpipe. Hope I helped. Zhai'helleva-- Lyn Lyn Belzer * P.O. Box 234 St. Bonaventure, NY 14778 * 716/379-3034 ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* Maddness exacts its toll. Please have exact change. -Ursula Herz's neighbor's board Is this a blessing, or is it a curse? Does it get any better, can it get any worse? Does it go on forever, is it over tonight? Does it come with the darkness, does it bring out the light? ...I don't know what it is.... -Meat Loaf, "It Just Won't Quit" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 15:04:15 GMT From: STOKES J <95662014-+AT+-mmu.ac.uk> To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Attention all groups! Message-ID: <319E16E6F7E-+AT+-EXCALIBUR.MMU.AC.UK> From: Raingcats-+AT+-aol.com > >Well, now that I have your attention I would like to ask, who is the leader >of all the different groups (Ladies in Green, Ones in Black, etc.) and how do >I get a hold of them? >I am a Tayledras Adept looking for a "Clan" to take me >in. If there are any groups, or "clans", willing to take me in I would be >eternally grateful. Now, some (all?) of you would most likely wish to hear >the reason I am in need of a Clan and I will tell you right off that I was >not kicked out nor was my clan slaughtered. I do have a tale to tell but only >if you wish to hear it. I thank you for your time and would like to ask two >more question if I may. What is all this talk of mage wars and stuff? What >goes on in a mage war? I am willing to fight in one but I would like to know >what they are about first. ------------------------------------------------------------ Raingcats Welcome to the list. In the absence of Dalisar I offer an invitation to The Ones In Black. You would not be alone here as an Adept , Stormcloud is also among us as well as an Elf Lord, a Kender[sp?] and others. I follow the Will of my Goddess and us my gifts any way I can be they magical, mental or otherwise. Be welcome amongst us, and may your endevours be rewarded [ a double edged statement I know ] Blessed Be Lord Jason [OIB] [ hoping to come up with a new name soon] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 15:07:34 GMT From: STOKES J <95662014-+AT+-mmu.ac.uk> To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Wiccanism and the Misty List Message-ID: <319EF9E3206-+AT+-EXCALIBUR.MMU.AC.UK> Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 20:16:06 GMT Reply-to: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk From: CHONNI To: 95662014-+AT+-mmu.ac.uk Subject: Re: Wiccanism and the Misty List On Sun, 11 Feb 1996, puppies and dragons wrote: > At 11:31 PM 2/10/96 GMT, Jake Adamo wrote: > >NoxCat wrote: > > > >.Just a note that I've taken my responses to those who responded to my > >.comments off the list and into private email. IMO, religious debate doesn't > >.belong on this list unless it is the religions of Misty's universes. (And > >.man can you get flamed for talking religion on a mailing list if it isn't a > >.RELIGION mailing list! *cough* X-Files list *cough*) > > > >I agree, for one. I will gladly continue discussion offlist with anyone who > >wishes to debate (read: "discuss" not "flame). I'm sure there's people on > this > >list who don't give three hoots about religious debate. If I wasn't the one > >arguing, I sure wouldn't care about it... > > > >Dear Rynath, > I would be interested in that list, so please include me. >OOOOOhhhhhh! Me too!!! I'm in the process of becoming a wiccan (was >Xian), & I would love to chat, etc. Oh... Add me to this list also Jason Stokes< 95662014-+AT+-MMU.AC.UK> ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 15:12:31 GMT From: STOKES J <95662014-+AT+-mmu.ac.uk> To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Attention all groups! Message-ID: <31A04CC0C8D-+AT+-EXCALIBUR.MMU.AC.UK> Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 20:57:57 GMT Reply-to: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk From: Sandra K Haas To: 95662014-+AT+-mmu.ac.uk Subject: Re: Attention all groups! OK, I am throwing my hat in the ring-which ring I haven't decided yet. Who wants a persona in development, definite Mage-potential, with a sneaky, wisecracking Companion-partner?? Sandy the sigless ------------------------------------------------------------------ Come Join TOIB. We do not yet have someone with a Companion and if that Companion has a wisecracking sense of humor all the better. Be welcome, even if you have not fully realized your gifts yet, we have Adepts who I'm sure could assist you with your mage gift. Lord Jason [OIB] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 10:17:33 EST From: "Stormcloud" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Attention all groups! Message-ID: <11A44B94375-+AT+-SIMCL.STJOHNS.EDU> On Tue, Feb 13, Raingcats wrote: > I am a Tayledras Adept looking for a "Clan" to take me > in. If there are any groups, or "clans", willing to take me in I would be > eternally grateful. I am also a Tayledras Adept, and a member of the Ones in Black. While I am not anyone in charge, I would welcome the company. Perhaps we could trade tales? -+AT+->--- In the name Stormcloud of the Moon One in Black I'll punish you! the Misty maniac jwil3969-+AT+-simcl.stjohns.edu (Note the addy change, everybody!!!) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 15:19:49 GMT From: STOKES J <95662014-+AT+-mmu.ac.uk> To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: darkwind Message-ID: <31A23E610B1-+AT+-EXCALIBUR.MMU.AC.UK> Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 22:51:01 GMT Reply-to: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk From: this desk set wants to fly! To: 95662014-+AT+-mmu.ac.uk Subject: Re: darkwind > Declan said on Tue, 13 Feb 1996 01:58:51 GMT > > ObMisty: I've been thinking about this alot. One thing that has > > mystified me is that Darkwind wasn't chosen when he crossed into > > Valdemar. From his character, I would guess that he has all the traits > > of a herald. Comments anyone? > > > > Declan > > > > > This occurred to me at one point and one way I rationalized it was > because of Elspeth. She renounced her claim to the throne and to > make her more ineligible, she is involved with a Tayledras. Now if > Darkwind was chosen, this would make him a more acceptable future > consort. Maybe this is "fate" that he is not chosen, even though he > would appear otherwise to be an acceptable herald, more or less. I think it > was in SR that he stayed in Valdemar and there was some comment about > him now living there, so he does consider it his home, I think. > > > Janet > >Also, Darkwind doesn't have mind-magic, does he? Or would that matter? >Becky ---------- >Preserve nature -- pickle a squirrel. It probably wouldn't matter. His mage gift is so strong and besides you only need one gift to be Chosen. but as has already been stated DarkWind will probably never be Chosen because of his tie to the Pelagirs Lord Jason[OIB] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 10:23:49 EST From: "Stormcloud" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Silver Gryphon Out!! Message-ID: <11A5F747C10-+AT+-SIMCL.STJOHNS.EDU> > Well, there was a quote at some point from Larry Dixon *saying* that they > were going to connect the two! I can't remember exactly where and when I > read/heard this (can someone else help out here?), but I remember the > connection being mentioned. And I have no idea how this will/can happen. I > like the idea of the Black Kings and the Eastern empire meeting somehow ... > > Oh, yes, SG is good, but, well, not as good as I had hoped or expected. > Just let me say that she didn't *improve* from WG, IMHO. And SG seemed very > short - and it *looks* thin. > > And ... in the front of the book where she does the time line and the lists > of all the novels ... there's no other Velgrath books mentioned after SB. > Does this mean she's done with this universe? :-( > > Joan > In a Queen's Own newsletter, it was reported that Larry Dixon said on GEnie that the Mage Wars books and the Mage Storms books would be connected by Person, Place, and Thing. Person? Maybe Skan? Place? I'm thinking either the city they founded or the Empire of the Black Kings. As for Thing, I have no idea, since I haven't read SG yet. Is there something in there, maybe some magical device or item that could connect the books? As for no more Velgarth books-- I highly doubt she's going to stop, not when so many people love them as much as we do. She's just been writing two trilogies simultaneously for the past year-- just because there are no books listed doesn't mean she's going to stop writing them!!! She probably needs a vacation to think of new ideas!!! :) -+AT+->--- In the name Stormcloud of the Moon One in Black I'll punish you! the Misty maniac jwil3969-+AT+-simcl.stjohns.edu (Note the addy change, everybody!!!) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 10:26:57 EST From: "Stormcloud" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Ones In Black Message-ID: <11A6CD86EF1-+AT+-SIMCL.STJOHNS.EDU> > Some foul deamon has consumed my account. I am now here to again > lead my Ones In Black! Beware to all. > > Dalisair Gemwind Welcome back, fearless leader. -+AT+->--- In the name Stormcloud of the Moon One in Black I'll punish you! the Misty maniac jwil3969-+AT+-simcl.stjohns.edu (Note the addy change, everybody!!!) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 08:52:19 -0500 (EST) From: Sandra K Haas To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: No OBMisty, but please help me out Message-ID: What is it going to be about?? Sandy the sigless On Tue, 13 Feb 1996, Heather Watson wrote: > Heyla, all. I was lately siezed with a mad yen to edit and publish a > 'zine. I'm very > excited about this project, BUT.... > It occurs to me that I don't know how in heaven's name to go about > this. This is where you all come in.... > Have any of you ever published a 'zine? Know anyone who has? Are > there any resources I could look over that would help me get my > bearings? > Please, if you can contribute any wisdom, from the philosophical to > the deeply practical (the latter preferred), I stand in sore need of it. > E-mail me, or have anyone you know who'd like to give me a hand e-mail > me, at: > R618%nemomus.bitnet-+AT+-academic.nemostate.edu > Or, if you have hard copy for me to take a look at, you can mail it to > me here at school: > Heather Watson > 502 Missouri Hall > Kirksville, MO 63501 > (Re: Endless Frontiers) > > > Zhai'elleva > > HTH > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 10:38:49 -0500 (EST) From: Sandra K Haas To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Pentagrams? Message-ID: Just to add more confusion on this subject, I belong to a group called the Order of the Eastern Star, and our symbolic star is the 'upside down', point-down, (whatever) star, because it represents the Star of Christmas which was a *very* important sign to Christianity, symbolizing the birth of Christ. The Order has for its foundation the bible, a belief in God, etc. BUT, because the 'upside down, etc" star Has been associated with Satan, a lot of people think we worship the Devil, etc. Just .02 more cents :} Sandy the sigless On Wed, 14 Feb 1996, Kerry Mealing wrote: > > Mel wrote: > > Hollie wrote: > > > Sorry to be so overwhelmingly Virgoish, but I must nitpick. Technically, a > > > pentagram is just the five-pointed star, right-side up or upside-down. A > > > pentacle is the pentagram inside a circle, and I'm not sure whether > > > upside-down pentacles are still called pentacles or not. But even > > > upside-down ones aren't always the mark of a Satanist...some pagan > > > traditions use it as a mark of a higher degree of learning or status... > > > > > > I apologise for being off-topic... > > > > I hereby declare this on-topic, because I'm interested :) (listmistress's > > perogative, don't you know :)). > > Sorry, but my mailer bounced mail over the weekend, then ate Monday's > accumulations, so I missed any reply to this - can someone explain the > difference to me too please? > > (And is one of them what's known as the Star of David / Seal of Solomon?) > > Thanks, > Kerry. > > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 10:45:10 EST From: "Stormcloud" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: The Ones in Black Message-ID: <11ABA5233C7-+AT+-SIMCL.STJOHNS.EDU> > > > > > I must congradulate you, you lasted longer than most. :) > -Pandora Thank you. :) OOC (Out of Character): Happy Valentine's Day, everybody!!!!!!! :) -+AT+->--- In the name Stormcloud of the Moon One in Black I'll punish you! the Misty maniac jwil3969-+AT+-simcl.stjohns.edu (Note the addy change, everybody!!!) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 10:49:59 EST From: "Stormcloud" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Death of a Queen's Own's Companion Message-ID: <11ACEBC5511-+AT+-SIMCL.STJOHNS.EDU> > Nope. According to AotQ (which is at home, but I've read it enough > times to know what happens) and Talia's ever-informative Orientation > class, when the MOC dies, and the MO doesn't, the new MOC always picks > the current MO. > > Mat > accmjt-+AT+-vaxc.hofstra.edu > http://ada.hofstra.edu/~mtimme47/ > People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones :) I believe you-- but it's still the severing of the Herald-Companion bond. That in itself could drive the MO mad with pain, and possibly kill him/her unless the new MOC shows up immediately to bond with him/her. -+AT+->--- In the name Stormcloud of the Moon One in Black I'll punish you! the Misty maniac jwil3969-+AT+-simcl.stjohns.edu (Note the addy change, everybody!!!) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 09:51:12 CST From: Heather Watson To: Subject: Re: Tarma & Darkwind Message-ID: <14FEB96.10641754.0085.MUSIC-+AT+-NEMOMUS> Tarma's vocal cords sustained a lot of damage when she was strangled half to death during the attack on her clan. Not every upstanding, honorable person is Herald material. I don't think Darkwind had that inner drive to ruin his life and die like a dog to preserve Valdemar :) That doesn't make you a bad person; I'm not up to being a Herald either, but I consider myself fairly noble. Very, very few people have what it takes to dedicate yourself that fully to a cause. And as for Heralds and non-Heralds, the most obvious example I can think up (outside of Elspeth and Darkwind) is Vanyel and Stefan. And Skif and Nyara come to mind, too. But you're right, they're the minority. I think when you have to give that much of yourself to the job, it really helps to have a partner who understands and has been there. HTH ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 15:51:38 +0000 (GMT) From: jc-+AT+-crosfield.co.uk (Jerry Cullingford) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Pentagrams? Message-ID: <9602141551.AA11431-+AT+-crosfield.co.uk> > I missed any reply to this - can someone explain the > difference to me too please? > > (And is one of them what's known as the Star of David / Seal of Solomon?) > > Thanks, > Kerry. "Upright" Pentagrams are five pointed, single point uppermost. "Inverted" ones are five pointed, single point downward. The Star of David is a hexagram (six pointed), and can be considered as a union of the symbols for fire (upward pointing triangle) and water (downward pointing triangle), the two 'active' elements, (and also contains the symbols for the two passive elements, air and earth, upward and downward pointing triangles both with crossbars.) from there, you can delve onwards into the western magical tradition, the quaballah, (including the ten sephiroth of the tree of life), the tarot[*], symbolism, and more variants on what symbolises what and why than you can shake a stick at :-). [*] Each of the tarot suits is associated with an element; the major arcana cards are usually associated with the paths between the sephiroth, and the card designs themselves on most modern packs are derived from magical symbolism, especially the ones with illustrated minor arcana (suit) cards, which started with A.E.Waite's (Rider) deck. ObMisty: None of this seems to be present in Velgarth :-) :-). -- _|_ / | Jerry Cullingford jc-+AT+-crosfield.co.uk (Work) \_|_ jc-+AT+-selune.demon.co.uk (Home) \__/ Hemel Hempstead, UK jerry-+AT+-shell.portal.com (alternate) ------------------------------ End of MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 373 *********************************