MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 382 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: New name by McCaffrey's White Dragon 2) Re: Silver Gryphon Out!! by Birgit Hanel 3) Re: Darkwind not getting Chosen by "\"Ashke\"" 4) Re: Literary Criticism...Valdemar style! by Birgit Hanel 5) **Spoiler!** Silver Gryphon **Spoilers!** by "Icewolf" 6) Re: Pre- Vows and Honors by EGLESTON-+AT+-bpl.org 7) Re: Silver Gryphon Out!! by "Stormcloud" 8) Re: Silver Gryphon **Spoilers!** by Rosario Holsen-Baker 9) Re: Darkwind not getting Chosen by mrtmh-+AT+-primenet.com (puppies and dragons) 10) Re: Okay... by Mat Timmerman 11) Re: Silver gryphon thread? by Lady Kayla 12) Re: Silver Gryphon **Spoilers!** by Mat Timmerman 13) Re: Bonding with Heralds by Heather Watson 14) Re: Literary Criticism...Valdemar style! by Becky Anne Christensen 15) Re: Silver Gryphon **Spoilers!** by Catherine Osborne 16) Re: WoF by Catherine Osborne 17) Re: Whoops... by Markus Weber 18) Re: darkwind by Ashke 19) Re: WoF by Rosario Holsen-Baker 20) Re: Silver Gryphon **Spoilers!** by Wallace-+AT+-online.knoxnews.com 21) Re: Elspeth (was WoF) by "Icewolf" 22) Question by "Icewolf" 23) Re: darkwind by Rosario Holsen-Baker 24) Such a challenge by "P. Waterlander" 25) Re: Elspeth (was WoF) by be248-+AT+-scn.org (SCN User) 26) Re: Elspeth by "Icewolf" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 10:21:41 -0800 (PST) From: McCaffrey's White Dragon To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: New name Message-ID: On Wed, 21 Feb 1996, Firestorm k'Sheyna wrote: > I was hoping someone could answer this question for me. When you people > get mail from me that comes from the list, does it have the name > Firestorm k'Sheyna on it, my real name, or my e-mail address? I'd really > like to know so I can figure out if I'm doing something wrong. > > Firestorm k'Sheyna > > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > patw-+AT+-clark.edu > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > > I get the following: Firestorm k'Sheyna ___________________ -==UDIC==- ________________ |\__________________\ McCaffrey's White Dragon |\________________\ ||Why is he talking | || | || to that ||| Don't ask. | || White Coconut? | Jake Gipple \|________________| \|__________________| (360)-887-4779 LEMUR! "When danger reared its ugly head, Sir Robbin bravely turned and fled!" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 19:53:46 +0100 (CET) From: Birgit Hanel To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Silver Gryphon Out!! Message-ID: On Tue, 13 Feb 1996, Marissa K Lingen wrote: > Korendil, if you think it's bad in Florida, you should see what it's > like to try to get good fantasy books on time in the Midwest...if > there's a fantasy-cultural center of the universe, I live in the > farthest point from it! > Morticia, who probably won't see SG for *months*, can I have some > cheese to go with my whine? > (slowly shoveling her way thru the mountain of mail:) Heyla! If you think the Midwest is badly off, don't try Germany: the Valdemar books aren't even published here! I have to order it from the US; ye gods, imagine how long the shipping takes... Glad that she knows some english Khenta* ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 14:02:17 -0500 (EST) From: "\"Ashke\"" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Darkwind not getting Chosen Message-ID: > > Just a thought.... would y'all prefer being partnered with a Herald or > not? It would be nice to have the assurance that yes, he (or she) is a > genuinely nice person, no deceptions involved, but it would be pretty > difficult to maintain that relationship. You can't share in the major > part of the Herald's life--can't even relate to it, sometimes. > > Hmmmm.......segue-ing into the Lifebond/Lovebond question, in an ideal > world, I'd want the Lifebond AND the Lovebond. If you make me > choose.....I'd take the Lifebond. > > 's e do bheatha, > > Kaatje > Hmmm thats a tough question. I think i could handle a herald if it were a mage or some such, someone you know can protect themselves. Personally tho if i were to be sucked into misty land i think i would choose a tayledras. They are less hung up on a lot of things than the Valdemarans are. nd as for love bonds vs. life bands i would love to have a lifebond. Too bad it doesnt happen in the real world. Ashke ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 20:42:57 +0100 (CET) From: Birgit Hanel To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Literary Criticism...Valdemar style! Message-ID: On Thu, 15 Feb 1996, Icewolf wrote: > I think you're right, but I'd also have to say that she's getting > better at the more diversified and complex plotlines. IMHO, Winds of > Fate was an absolute disaster. I hated it. But she does the same > thing 300% better in the Storms books, i.e. switching between two > points of views/plots [Valdemar/Karal and Hardorn/Tremane]. WHAT???? IM-not-so-HO, WoFate is the best Valdemar novel she ever did, funny, thrilling, great characterizations (Elspeth forever! -any other Elspeth-fans out there?), tight plot, the narrative tempo right down to the very structure of the novel: two threads of story entwining each other ( with an interruption/interlude now and then) and converging in the end. Though I must agree that the switching of viewpoints has improved in the most recent novels, I am still not that enthusiastic about the Storms- or Gryphons-books. Does this sound like flaming? It's certainly not supposed to be! Slowly getting tired after her working day Khenta* ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 15:05:15 EST5EDT From: "Icewolf" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: **Spoiler!** Silver Gryphon **Spoilers!** Message-ID: <49806486D27-+AT+-apps.sbu.edu> > Whoa! Those were some mean wyrsa! Anyone else wonder where they >either got the power-drain ability or when they lost it? I think that was just a mutated pack, changed so by the mage storms. > And since when were wyrsa that....big? I don't remember them being >that big! Or maybe it was just the picture... Well, according to the book, they were as big as draft horses. That qualifies as pretty darn big to me. But, like I said before, I think that was just one mutated pack. It's also in a different area of the world. Wyrsa called up in the Pelagirs might be a different "breed" from the Wyrsa in the Rainforest. Kind of like the differences between a German shepherd and an Irish Wolfhound. Zhai'helleva! Lyn Lyn Belzer * P.O. Box 234 St. Bonaventure, NY 14778 * 716/379-3034 ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* Maddness exacts its toll. Please have exact change. -Ursula Herz's neighbor's board ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 16:10:23 -0500 (EST) From: EGLESTON-+AT+-bpl.org To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Pre- Vows and Honors Message-ID: <960221161023.b85-+AT+-bpl.org> as a librarian, I have to add to this---- Becky said that she should check the library for hard-to-find books. Candace said (in effect) you'll only find 'em if someone has let go of them and donated them. McCaffrey's White Dragon pointed out that the problem with letting go also extends to the &%#$^&* people who don't return the books. (although he did it in a much more polite fashion.) Okay, sneaky librarian tricks. First, get the best information about the book that you can. The correct title helps a lot. When Mel posts the revised bibliography, it should be substantially correct, so print it out and take it with you. Second, find the librarian who buys the YA books. She or he is usually the one who knows SF & F. Tell them what you're looking for and which authors you can be pretty sure you will want to read. Ask where to look in your library or library system. Ask if paperbacks are catalogued. If they are, you should be able to check in the catalog (Card or Computer) for the titles you want. If not, you will need to check the shelves. If you still haven't found what you want, take your information and ask to order the books through Inter-Library Loan. Some libraries charge for this, some don't. I have gotten ILL books from halfway across the country, so I know it is possible. Librarians tend to buy the books that they think will circulate. They usually base their judgement on which books they have are circulating and which books are asked for. If you want your local library to have a strong collection in a favorite subject area, make an effort to use the books they have and converse with the librarian about the books you love most. If the librarian knows you and thinks of you kindly, they will try to help you get the books which interest you, or will at least explain why they don't have certain titles. I am fairly sure that this advice is universal. It should apply to academic as well as public libraries, and most countries worldwide, although I don't guarantee that the ILL policies won't vary from place to place. The trickiest part is whether or not paperbacks are catalogued, and that can only be answered by your local public, school, or college librarian. So try the library. Help me keep my job! !!!!! Yoicks! and Away! Cindy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 16:26:45 EST From: "Stormcloud" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Silver Gryphon Out!! Message-ID: <67A0B7540E-+AT+-SIMCL.STJOHNS.EDU> >From Birgit Hanel : > (slowly shoveling her way thru the mountain of mail:) > Heyla! > If you think the Midwest is badly off, don't try Germany: > the Valdemar books aren't even published here! > I have to order it from the US; ye gods, imagine how long the shipping > takes... > > Glad that she knows some english > Khenta* Yikes, I can imagine! It must be worse than waiting to get my Red Dwarf merchandise from England. I'm glad I live in New York City, though-- anything you want, there will be a place in the City where you can find it, no matter how "far" it is from mainstream. (Gods, I _love_ this city!) -+AT+->--- Stormcloud In the name One in Black of the Moon Jenna, the Misty maniac I'll punish you! jwil3969-+AT+-simcl.stjohns.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 17:04:42 -0500 (EST) From: Rosario Holsen-Baker To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Silver Gryphon **Spoilers!** Message-ID: On Wed, 21 Feb 1996 Wallace-+AT+-online.knoxnews.com wrote: > space follows: SPOILER WARNING!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jaguar said: > > ME> Whoa! Those were some mean wyrsa! Anyone else wonder where they > ME>either got the power-drain ability or when they lost it? And since when > ME>were wyrsa that....big? I don't remember them being that big! Or maybe it > ME>was just the picture... > > IIRC, and I just read SG, they were speculating that a mage-storm had > changed the wyrsa. Mutated them, so to speak, as radiation or cosmic > rays might in our world (tho not so drastically, I hope, I hope!). > Yes, but...when 'Lendel calle his wyrsa...they weren't that big, were they?? Ooooh...I'm going to go hide under my bed now. |-------------------------<>---------------------------| | See these eyes so green I can stare for a thousand years | | Colder than the moon Well, it's been so long | | And I've been putting out fire with gasoline | | David Bowie__"Cat People" | |--------------http://www.sidwell.edu/~rholsen/----------------| ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 15:39:26 -0700 (MST) From: mrtmh-+AT+-primenet.com (puppies and dragons) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Darkwind not getting Chosen Message-ID: <199602212239.PAA10129-+AT+-usr2.primenet.com> >> >Hmmm thats a tough question. I think i could handle a herald if it were a >mage or some such, someone you know can protect themselves. Personally >tho if i were to be sucked into misty land i think i would choose a >tayledras. They are less hung up on a lot of things than the Valdemarans >are. > >nd as for love bonds vs. life bands i would love to have a lifebond. Too >bad it doesnt happen in the real world. > >Ashke > > > Is this the same Ashke that just sent me the postcard about the editor's group? Cuase if it is, it just got a lot easier for me to read your address! (It got covered by the postmark.) Lady 'Reesa ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 18:49:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Mat Timmerman To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Okay... Message-ID: <01I1HGL6OFPE053HWY-+AT+-vaxc.hofstra.edu> From: Korendil > >Well..as I just read it TWO Nights ago (ha!) lets talk...follow me >dddddddddddddddddddd >ooooooooooooooooooooo >wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww >nnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >If this isn't enough, too damn bad;> >OK...one thing I don't understand is Kechara. It STARTS to explain her >powers...erm, LACK of powers, as having the Haigleigh not like the idea. >But why would that limit her so much? Did they have part of her gift >blocked out? Can they block only part of a gift? Presumably, the Haighleigh know how to block and partially block Gifts. They probably can, since they only let priests use magic/mind-magic. Or, maybe FarSpeaking is a separate Gift from Mindspeech. In the Arrows books, whenever someone is a very powerful Mindspeaker (Kyril, Sherril after AotQ), they refer to them as FarSpeakers. Maybe Kechara was a FarSpeaker and a gryphon MindSpeaker (kind of like animal MindSpeech). Remember that Elspeth said that the gryphons spoke "higher" than humans do, and that helped her to hear Vree. So, maybe the Haighleigh blocked the Farspeech, but not the Mindspeech (notice that when they mention how her powers were blocked, they always say "but she can still speak to any gryphon in the city", not that she can talk to anyone in the city, just gryphons. This might imply separate Gifts). >Also, with the Storm connection...can someone answer if its just between >the last books in each, or the whole serieses (word?)? B/c if its tril, >then Person: ?, Thing: magic thingy in urtho's tower Place: Urthos tower > >for last book: Person: Tad? PLace: JUngle? Thing: Wyrsa? > Ummm... Place: Urtho's Tower, Thing: Mage Storms? Person: I'd say Treyvan, since he's a descendent of Skan, but he isn't a main character in Storms. Maybe Tad or Blade or both? Keenath (Keeth)? Mat accmjt-+AT+-hofstra.edu mtimme47-+AT+-magic.hofstra.edu http://ada.hofstra.edu/~mtimme47/ --==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==-- "They want to stop the ones who want prosthetic foreheads on their heads. But everybody wants prosthetic foreheads on their real heads." -- They Might Be Giants ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 08:29:23 +0800 From: Lady Kayla To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Silver gryphon thread? Message-ID: <199602220029.IAA12543-+AT+-jimi.vianet.net.au> At 20:33 21/02/96 GMT, you wrote: >> Just a note to those that wish to start a thread on the Silver Gryphon could >> you mark it SPOILER? I haven't read it yet and do not wish to have it spoiled >> for me. Thanks! >> >> Zhai'helleva! >> >> Moonsong >> >> "If life is just a highway-then the soul is just a car >> and objects in the rearview mirror may appear closer than they are" - >> Meatloaf, "Objects In The Rearview Mirror May Appear Closer Than They Are" > >Me neither! (But I may be getting it today! :>) >-+AT+->--- >Stormcloud In the name >One in Black of the Moon >Jenna, the Misty maniac I'll punish you! >jwil3969-+AT+-simcl.stjohns.edu > Can tell me anything about a book....never will spoil it for me....but then I'm weird! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 19:41:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Mat Timmerman To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Silver Gryphon **Spoilers!** Message-ID: <01I1HHFPF3OO053HWY-+AT+-vaxc.hofstra.edu> From: Rosario Holsen-Baker > >J >U >S >T > >I >N > >C >A >S >E > >Y >O >U >V >E > >N >O >T > > Oh, hell. If that's not enough space, too damn bad. > Whoa! Those were some mean wyrsa! Anyone else wonder where they >either got the power-drain ability or when they lost it? And since when >were wyrsa that....big? I don't remember them being that big! Or maybe it >was just the picture... It may be that the wyrsa in SG are different from the others we see. The ones in LHM and WoC are the size of hounds, not horses. They also have yellow eyes (doesen't misty compare them to sulfur?). Maybe the mage storms changed two packs of wyrsa differently? Mat accmjt-+AT+-hofstra.edu mtimme47-+AT+-magic.hofstra.edu http://ada.hofstra.edu/~mtimme47/ --==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==-- "They want to stop the ones who want prosthetic foreheads on their heads. But everybody wants prosthetic foreheads on their real heads." -- They Might Be Giants ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 18:58:06 CST From: Heather Watson To: Subject: Re: Bonding with Heralds Message-ID: <21FEB96.20485857.0053.MUSIC-+AT+-NEMOMUS> Hmm. It's all well and good to say that it's easier to be involved with a Herald-Mage because they can "take care of themselves," but they die pretty well, especially in Magic's Price. Remember, Herald-Mages were extinct for a good long while, so they aren't exactly immortal. In some cases, they're probably in more danger. Personally, I'm too selfish to want a long-term relationship with a Herald. In one of the Arrows books, someone points out that Heralds give their loyalty and their hearts FIRST to their Companions, THEN to Valdemar, and only THIRD to their SO. I think knowing that I come third on the list would put some serious strain on our relationship. Yes, I admit it. I'd be jealous of the bloody horse. That's why I'd prefer the lifebond to your garden-variety lovebond, too. No guessing, no doubts, you know exactly how important you are to your partner, and that it won't ever change. Even if you fight and you hurt each other, you'll probably work through it, because neither person really has the option of taking the easy way out and running away from the problems. I suppose I'm just tired of being the only person who thinks I'm the center of the universe HTH ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 17:12:56 -0800 (PST) From: Becky Anne Christensen To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Literary Criticism...Valdemar style! Message-ID: On Wed, 21 Feb 1996, Birgit Hanel wrote: > On Thu, 15 Feb 1996, Icewolf wrote: > > > I think you're right, but I'd also have to say that she's getting > > better at the more diversified and complex plotlines. IMHO, Winds of > > Fate was an absolute disaster. I hated it. But she does the same > > thing 300% better in the Storms books, i.e. switching between two > > points of views/plots [Valdemar/Karal and Hardorn/Tremane]. > > WHAT???? > IM-not-so-HO, WoFate is the best Valdemar novel she ever did, funny, > thrilling, great characterizations (Elspeth forever! -any other Elspeth-fans > out there?), tight plot, the narrative tempo > right down to the very structure of the novel: two threads > of story entwining each other ( with an interruption/interlude now and > then) and converging in the end. > > Slowly getting tired after her working day > Khenta* > I loved Winds of Fate! I also loved Elspeth, but not as much as Kero. I can't imagine Misty trying to write the story from just Elspeth's point of view. It really gave us many insights into the Tayledras community. My other favortie part was the gryphons, LOVE the gryphons. Lady Becky The more that you read, the more things you will know. The more that you learn, the more places you'll go. --Dr. Suess ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 07:54:04 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine Osborne To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Silver Gryphon **Spoilers!** Message-ID: On Thu, 22 Feb 1996, Rosario Holsen-Baker wrote: > On Wed, 21 Feb 1996 Wallace-+AT+-online.knoxnews.com wrote: > > > space follows: SPOILER WARNING!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jaguar said: > > > > ME> Whoa! Those were some mean wyrsa! Anyone else wonder where they > > ME>either got the power-drain ability or when they lost it? And since when > > ME>were wyrsa that....big? I don't remember them being that big! Or maybe it > > ME>was just the picture... > > > > IIRC, and I just read SG, they were speculating that a mage-storm had > > changed the wyrsa. Mutated them, so to speak, as radiation or cosmic > > rays might in our world (tho not so drastically, I hope, I hope!). > > > Yes, but...when 'Lendel calle his wyrsa...they weren't that big, > were they?? These were mutant wyrsa. Seriously, Blade et al killed the whole pack of mutants so that they couldn't breed out more. But Lendel's wyrsa seem more like the SG lot (minus the magic-eating ability) then the poisonus white ones that Tad discusses. I\/ Catherine Osborne "After great pain, I\/ Sundancer a formal feeling comes." I cosborne-+AT+-sidwell.edu --Emily Dickinson I http://www.sidwell.edu/~cosborne/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 07:58:23 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine Osborne To: mercedes lackey list Subject: Re: WoF Message-ID: gee, I didn't really like Elspeth *at all*. I thought those books were good mainly for the very short section involving Quentin and everything involving Darkwind, particularly in the first book and Firesong in the second book and Vanyel showing up. Was that confused? Oh well, suffice it to say her females in those books were not done particularly well, but I really really liked Darkwind. I\/ Catherine Osborne "After great pain, I\/ Sundancer a formal feeling comes." I cosborne-+AT+-sidwell.edu --Emily Dickinson I http://www.sidwell.edu/~cosborne/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 07:32:25 GMT From: Markus Weber To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Whoops... Message-ID: <312c1bd5.55607018-+AT+-doorstop> Are there chocoholics in Valdemar, too? :-) Cheers -Markus --- Markus Weber hubby-+AT+-kinky.demon.co.uk 101530.10-+AT+-compuserve.com PGP key available: send email to "hubby-pgp-+AT+-kinky.demon.co.uk" "If a woman has to choose between catching a fly ball and saving an infant's life, she will choose to save the infant's life without even considering if there are men on base." (Dave Barry) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 11:52:32 -0500 (EST) From: Ashke To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: darkwind Message-ID: On Thu, 15 Feb 1996, Gyrfalcon wrote: > > I very much doubt that it was Vree that prevented him from being Chosen. > Instead I believe that it's that peculiar Tale'dras mindset. He is tied > to the land, and thusly it is his first responsibility. Whereas the Heralds > are tied to the people of Valdemar. That's their first concern. IIRC > Firesong was awestruck at the devestation Ancar unleashed on his lands, not > the people. His sorrow for the people came later. That's probably what's > keeping any of the Hawkbrothers from being Chosen. > > --Gyrfalcon > I seem to remember Seleny saying that if the peole of Valdemar picked up and moved as they did during the founding they would still be valdemar....was this said to one of the tayledras? (excuse my just waking up mind) I think you have hit it on the head Gyrfalcon. A tayledras would tend to worry as much for the land as for the people and heralds are definately in charge of the people 1st. Ashke ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 12:11:00 -0500 (EST) From: Rosario Holsen-Baker To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: WoF Message-ID: On Thu, 22 Feb 1996, Catherine Osborne wrote: > gee, I didn't really like Elspeth *at all*. I thought those books were > good mainly for the very short section involving Quentin and everything Urk! It's *Quenten* dammit! Everytime someone calls him Quentin,I think of Quentin Tarantino as a magic wielder, and that just doesn't work...eeep! > involving Darkwind, particularly in the first book and Firesong in the > second book and Vanyel showing up. Was that confused? Oh well, suffice it > to say her females in those books were not done particularly well, but I > really really liked Darkwind. Firesong would be jealous. |-------------------------<>---------------------------| | See these eyes so green I can stare for a thousand years | | Colder than the moon Well, it's been so long | | And I've been putting out fire with gasoline | | David Bowie__"Cat People" | |--------------http://www.sidwell.edu/~rholsen/----------------| ------------------------------ Date: 22 Feb 1996 12:23:16 EDT From: Wallace-+AT+-online.knoxnews.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Silver Gryphon **Spoilers!** Message-ID: <9602221728.AA10428-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk> ME>On Wed, 21 Feb 1996 Wallace-+AT+-online.knoxnews.com wrote: SPOILER WARNING STILL APPLIES! ME>> space follows: SPOILER WARNING!! ME>> ME>> ME>> ME>> ME>> ME>> ME>> ME>> ME>> ME>> ME>> ME>> ME>> snip, snip, snip! ME>> ME> Whoa! Those were some mean wyrsa! Anyone else wonder where they ME>> ME>either got the power-drain ability or when they lost it? And since when ME>> ME>were wyrsa that....big? ME> Yes, but...when 'Lendel calle his wyrsa...they weren't that big, ME>were they?? As I said, they had mutated from their "normal" smaller (and envenomed) form . . . if anything about them could be called "normal"! I envision the "normal" wyrsa as being somewhere between a wolf and a kyree in size. The wyrsa in SG seemed to be the size of a large horse. A tradeoff, it seems - size and ability to "absorb" magic, losing the venom. Candace ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 13:10:51 EST5EDT From: "Icewolf" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Elspeth (was WoF) Message-ID: <4AE1E3B2BC7-+AT+-apps.sbu.edu> >gee, I didn't really like Elspeth *at all*. I thought those books were >good mainly for the very short section involving Quentin and everything >involving Darkwind, particularly in the first book and Firesong in the >second book and Vanyel showing up. Was that confused? Oh well, suffice it >to say her females in those books were not done particularly well, but I >really really liked Darkwind. *whew* Someone else who didn't like Elspeth. Sorry folks, but in Winds of Fury, I found her rude, cruel, and self-centered. All that on top of her "I'm the heir" attitude, which would alternately shift her between arrogance and sickening self pity. She got a LOT better in Winds of Change, and she was even tolerable in Winds of Fury. I have to say, though, the "place" I like Elspeth best is her appearances in Storm Warning. *Lyn dons flame-proof suit* Zhai'helleva! Lyn Lyn Belzer * P.O. Box 234 St. Bonaventure, NY 14778 * 716/379-3034 ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* Maddness exacts its toll. Please have exact change. -Ursula Herz's neighbor's board ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 13:17:11 EST5EDT From: "Icewolf" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Question Message-ID: <4AE390C27A7-+AT+-apps.sbu.edu> Can anyone tell me how I would go about getting information about the Science Fiction and Fantasy Book Club? Zhai'helleva! Lyn Lyn Belzer * P.O. Box 234 St. Bonaventure, NY 14778 * 716/379-3034 ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* Maddness exacts its toll. Please have exact change. -Ursula Herz's neighbor's board ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 13:43:30 -0500 (EST) From: Rosario Holsen-Baker To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: darkwind Message-ID: On Thu, 22 Feb 1996, Ashke wrote: > I seem to remember Seleny saying that if the peole of Valdemar picked up > and moved as they did during the founding they would still be > valdemar....was this said to one of the tayledras? No, that was Savil talking to Starwind. IIRC, it was in MPawn, when she was discussing something-or-other with him and Vanyel and Moondance. I don't think we've ever had a long quiet discussion between Selenay and a Tayledras > (excuse my just waking up mind) > You're excused. :) |-------------------------<>---------------------------| | See these eyes so green I can stare for a thousand years | | Colder than the moon Well, it's been so long | | And I've been putting out fire with gasoline | | David Bowie__"Cat People" | |--------------http://www.sidwell.edu/~rholsen/----------------| ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 11:16:05 -0800 (PST) From: "P. Waterlander" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Such a challenge Message-ID: Well. Markus thought it would be cool if I could get my email address to read Firestorm.k'Sheyna-+AT+-Vale.Valdemar or some such address....I did a test and sent it to myself. It came to me with the From: line reading Firestorm k'Sheyna The only problem with this is that the address above is NOT my real address. It's kind of nifty, but when the listserv gets the mail, it will try to send it to that address, and it will get it back because that address doesnt exist. Oh well. It was worth a try. I can always use that when sending private email, but then people can't just reply. They'd have to compose a new message. Firestorm k'Sheyna -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- patw-+AT+-clark.edu -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 11:42:39 -0800 From: be248-+AT+-scn.org (SCN User) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Elspeth (was WoF) Message-ID: <199602221942.LAA02164-+AT+-scn.org> > >>gee, I didn't really like Elspeth *at all*. I thought those books were >>good mainly for the very short section involving Quentin and everything >>involving Darkwind, particularly in the first book and Firesong in the >>second book and Vanyel showing up. Was that confused? Oh well, suffice it >>to say her females in those books were not done particularly well, but I >>really really liked Darkwind. > >*whew* Someone else who didn't like Elspeth. Sorry folks, but in >Winds of Fury, I found her rude, cruel, and self-centered. All that >on top of her "I'm the heir" attitude, which would alternately shift >her between arrogance and sickening self pity. She got a LOT better >in Winds of Change, and she was even tolerable in Winds of Fury. I >have to say, though, the "place" I like Elspeth best is her >appearances in Storm Warning. Pardon me, but I think that was the point. I took it as the character development of Elspeth. In the AOTQ series we saw how Talia brought Elspeth back to being "normal" after becoming the Brat and I looked at the W series as continued development of Elspeth becoming truly normal and undertanding that she isn't any more special because she was The Heir. That development is why she becomes tolerable and even likable in Storm Warning. (Though I will say that I like Elspeth more than you do in the other books too. ::grin::) Just my thoughts... Zhai'helleva, Lady Herald Brianan -- Herald Briana Kestyl For some reason I never had any trouble Lady In Green figuring out what death was all wc814-+AT+-freenet.victoria about; but life - that's taken be248-+AT+-scn.org me until now. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 15:43:10 EST5EDT From: "Icewolf" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Elspeth Message-ID: <4B0A85435EC-+AT+-apps.sbu.edu> Herald Brianan wrote: > Pardon me, but I think that was the point. I took it as the >character development of Elspeth. Phooey. I hate it when someone brings logic into a perfectly good bitch-session. :P :) Zhai'helleva! Lyn P.S. I'm reading a great book right now that I'd like to reccomend. It's called "Bard: The Odyssey of the Irish" by Morgan Llywelyn. I think I'm in love with Amergin. :) Lyn Belzer * P.O. Box 234 St. Bonaventure, NY 14778 * 716/379-3034 ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* Maddness exacts its toll. Please have exact change. -Ursula Herz's neighbor's board ------------------------------ End of MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 382 *********************************