MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 388

Topics covered in this issue include:

  1) Re: Di Tregarde
	by "Jake (Rynath *OIB*)" <102744.2515-+AT+-compuserve.com>
  2) Re: Herald Lores
	by "Jake (Rynath *OIB*)" <102744.2515-+AT+-compuserve.com>
  3) YKYBRTMMLW: Re: Top Ten Ways to know you read too much Misty
	by be248-+AT+-scn.org (SCN User)
  4) Re: Diana Tregarde
	by Heather Watson <R618%NEMOMUS.bitnet-+AT+-ACADEMIC.NEMOSTATE.EDU>
  5) Re: How to spell "Wind To Thy Wings"
	by "Jake (Rynath *OIB*)" <102744.2515-+AT+-compuserve.com>
  6) Re: Elspeth
	by Becky Anne Christensen <beckyanne-+AT+-iforge.valleynet.com>
  7) Re: Random
	by Becky Anne Christensen <beckyanne-+AT+-iforge.valleynet.com>
  8) Re: Random
	by Becky Anne Christensen <beckyanne-+AT+-iforge.valleynet.com>
  9) Re: Winde to Thy Wyngs
	by Heather Watson <R618%NEMOMUS.bitnet-+AT+-ACADEMIC.NEMOSTATE.EDU>
 10) Re: Random
	by mealink-+AT+-syd.au.swissbank.com (Kerry Mealing)
 11) Re: Diana Tregarde books! 
	by Birgit Hanel <bhanel-+AT+-ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de>
 12) Re: Diana Tregarde
	by STOKES J <95662014-+AT+-mmu.ac.uk>
 13) Re: Di Tregarde
	by TSALE-+AT+-ups.edu
 14) Re: Elspeth
	by STOKES J <95662014-+AT+-mmu.ac.uk>
 15) Re: Top Ten Ways to know you read too much Misty
	by this desk set wants to fly! <recary-+AT+-phoenix.Princeton.EDU>
 16) Re: Diana Tregarde (well, not really ..)
	by dbackhau-+AT+-isou10.estec.esa.nl
 17) Shin'a'in word list
	by Rozanna McNeer <ROZANM-+AT+-webster.nl>
 18) Re: Attention all groups!
	by RKCHUA-+AT+-aol.com
 19) Re: Random
	by "Stormcloud" <JWIL3969-+AT+-SIMCL.STJOHNS.EDU>
 20) Re: Di Tregarde
	by "Stormcloud" <JWIL3969-+AT+-SIMCL.STJOHNS.EDU>
 21) Re: ADMIN: ongoing stuff
	by dbackhau-+AT+-isou10.estec.esa.nl
 22) Re: Random
	by "Stormcloud" <JWIL3969-+AT+-SIMCL.STJOHNS.EDU>
 23) Re: Diana Tregarde books! 
	by Roger Dahl <rd-+AT+-redleaf.bbs.no>
 24) Di Tregarde and sexy vampires :b
	by "Stormcloud" <JWIL3969-+AT+-SIMCL.STJOHNS.EDU>
 25) Herald Lores
	by "Stormcloud" <JWIL3969-+AT+-SIMCL.STJOHNS.EDU>
 26) reading list via Web
	by mel (Melanie Dymond Harper)
 27) Re: Random
	by SHE WHO THINKS GEORGE COOPER IS THE PERFECT MAN <GEBRIDGES-+AT+-tiny.computing.csbsju.edu>

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Date: 28 Feb 96 21:18:11 EST
From: "Jake (Rynath *OIB*)" <102744.2515-+AT+-compuserve.com>
To: M-L mailing list <mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Di Tregarde
Message-ID: <960229021811_102744.2515_GHT50-2-+AT+-CompuServe.COM>

>From the Hallowed Hard Drive of the Vanyel Server, Lady Melanie, the
Listmistress, wrote:

.Don't knock Tregarde too heavily, because _Children of the Night_ was one of
.the books which drew your ever-loving listmistress towards Lackey in the 
.first place  <snip>

Indeed--this is the first Misty book I actually read, even though I heard about
her Valdemar books before that.  

.On the third hand (I will end up looking like Kali if I am not careful), the
.Tregarde books are not served well by shops which shelve them as "horror" 
.(caveat: I have a sneaky feeling that that is the category given on the spine
.for at least one of them, probably COTN; someone shoot the publisher). They're
.not horror. They're 'urban fantasy' <snip>

The three paperbacks I have have Dark Fantasy as the category, which is more
appropriate than "urban fantasy" IMO.  Yes, Urban Fantasy is appropriate for
SERRAted Edge books and even the Bedlam Bards series, but her Tregarde stuff
(even the Talldeer stuff) is more darker and sinister.  Evil elves and drug
gangs aren't the same as vampires and "body snatchers" (<-- Jinx High).

.I like the Tregarde books more than I like Tanya Huff's near-equivalents, the
.Victory Nelson stories, primarily because of Di herself.

Bingo!  I've read both.  Vicky Nelson is just too sketchy.  She slept with one
of the characters, she's going blind, she's now a detective... and it left me
saying, AND?? She seems so two dimensional.  But Di seems to be more fleshed
out, in a fewer number of books.  

AND I love the hippie dude <IIRC> guitar-possessing-spirit from _Jinx High!_

The Nelson books also were so *predictable.*  A series shouldn't turn cliche
until after a bunch of books, not after three.  (Cutting rant short)

Okay.  I admit the Tregarde books have their faults (as everything set IRL must
have; what can I say--suspend your disbelief, folks!) but I still love 'em the
same... and I'm anxiously waiting _Arcanum 101_ and _Triangle Park_ (although I
may wait forever............)

Zhai'ha'allav'a!
                                                                  
------------------------ Rynath (OIB) / Jake ---------------------
Jesus saves sinners -- 
                       and redeems them for valuable cash prizes!!
--------------------- 102744.2515-+AT+-compuserve.com -----------------


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Date: 28 Feb 96 21:18:14 EST
From: "Jake (Rynath *OIB*)" <102744.2515-+AT+-compuserve.com>
To: M-L mailing list <mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Herald Lores
Message-ID: <960229021814_102744.2515_GHT50-3-+AT+-CompuServe.COM>

Heather Watson wrote:

.Oh, I really *loved* the bit about Herald Lores.  He was the antidote to
.the sugar-shock I go into every time someone in a ML book goes on a kick
.about how Heralds are perfect, Heralds never hurt anyone, Heralds always
.do the right thing.

<SNIP>

.   Lores was a nice guy.  We know this because he's a Herald, and we
.also see it later in the book.  But he had made up his mind that Tashir
.was a killer and a consorter with demons, and by God, that's all there
.was to it.  Sometimes people who *know* they are good fall into the trap
.of believing that they know what's right and best in every situation,
.and that happened to Lores.  So he was not willing to accept that he
.could have been so totally wrong about Tashir that the boy could get
.Chosen.  That just sounded nonsensical to Lores.  Absurd.
 
<SNIP>

.   Now, he was wrong.  Dead wrong, and the consequences were pretty
.severe.  Sometimes that happens, and apparently it even happens to
.Heralds.  I like that idea a lot.  The entire Lores incident is a major
.part of what makes me believe that LHM was the most subtle, complex, and
.intelligent of Misty's series.  (I'll save my other arguments for future
.posts)

Yes!! This is what keeps Valdemar from falling (too) cliched after
I-can't-remember-but-it's-a-big-number of works!  Misty constantly reminds us
that her characters are *people,* not some high and mighty uncorruptible
bastions of Truth, Justice, and the Valdemarian Way.   Not 100% Herald's Creed
(thank the Gods--imagine the background music!) and that whatnot. 

Zhai'ha'allav'a!
                                                                  
------------------------ Rynath (OIB) / Jake ---------------------
Jesus saves sinners -- 
                       and redeems them for valuable cash prizes!!
--------------------- 102744.2515-+AT+-compuserve.com -----------------


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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 18:44:44 -0800
From: be248-+AT+-scn.org (SCN User)
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: YKYBRTMMLW: Re: Top Ten Ways to know you read too much Misty
Message-ID: <199602290244.SAA04359-+AT+-scn.org>

	::grin::  Cool list...  I swear some of that's happened to me...  

	Here's mine...

	You go car shopping and you find yourself wandering around the 
lot looking for a mustang that you can name the Mach Two...


--
Herald Briana Kestyl		For some reason I never had any trouble
Lady In Green				figuring out what death was all 
wc814-+AT+-freenet.victoria			about; but life - that's taken 
be248-+AT+-scn.org				me until now.

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Date:        Wed, 28 Feb 1996 22:13:46 CST
From: Heather Watson <R618%NEMOMUS.bitnet-+AT+-ACADEMIC.NEMOSTATE.EDU>
To: <mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Diana Tregarde
Message-ID:  <28FEB96.24007908.0030.MUSIC-+AT+-NEMOMUS>

My dear sir (sorry, I've forgotten your name; don't take offense to that
too), calm down for goodness' sake.  There is NO NEED to resent my
comment, and no need to start some gender war.  This is a friendly list,
and we don't tend to attack one another; I'd rather not start now.
   I certainly never said men don't read Mercedes Lackey.  I *said* that
her *main audience* was straight females.  Publishers have target
audiences for books, demographic groups that are most likely to read
whatever.  And, looking about you, you'll find that straight females are
more numerous than other groups in gatherings of Misty fans.
   Great Scott, that doesn't mean no one else counts.  You're not a
straight female, fine by me.  Neither am I.  I can't fathom why you'd
resent my comment, but all I can figure is that you must have read some
slur into it.  I can assure you, I don't go about insulting people on
the basis of gender or much of anything else, and imagining insults is a
waste of your valuable time and bound to sour your mood.  Don't do it.
   I, too, thought "dark fantasy" was a good label for the Tregarde
books.  A common characteristic of dark fantasy is that it's a little
"more" than the real world: a little more dangerous, a little less
friendly, fewer bright lights, whatever.  I think that accounts for some
of the over-the-topness in Jinx High.  No, in the real world, rich high
school students aren't that sinister.  But in Diana Tregarde's
demon-infested world, maybe they are.  Remember, most urban fantasy has
its own "world" just like high fantasy does...it's just harder to see
the rules sometimes, because the differences are more subtle.
   Yeah, I have this spooky feeling we're never going to see that last
two Di novels.  Which hurts my feelings deeply.  Not only did I read
CoTN before any of the Velgarth books, but I met my best friend in a
conversation about Andre.  She made me read LHM, and she hasn't been rid
of me since.  Now, if only she'd finish Storm Rising so I can read it!
   Well, to wrap this up (do any of you actually read all the way
through my posts?  Why?), I'm off on my spring break tomorrow, so I'll
be unsubscribing shortly.  Any final words?  Parting shots?  Warning
shots?
   'Reesa, sorry about your grandmother.  Zhai'halleva.


HTH
<If you're about to have sex for the first time, or for the first time
with someone new, and you're a werewolf, it's okay to be embarrassed.>
--Will Shetterly

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Date: 28 Feb 96 23:19:33 EST
From: "Jake (Rynath *OIB*)" <102744.2515-+AT+-compuserve.com>
To: M-L mailing list <mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk>
Subject: Re: How to spell "Wind To Thy Wings"
Message-ID: <960229041932_102744.2515_GHT138-3-+AT+-CompuServe.COM>

Lady 'Reesa doubted my spelling of "Wind to thy Wings."

The way *I* spell it is indeed an obscure Shin'a'in spelling.  Now, I don't
remember *exactly* where I saw it in Misty's work, but it's also on my
Hawkbrother Word List (which I'm sending to you under separate cover since it's
too long to post).

Zha'hai'allav'a -- Shin'a'in
Zhai'helleva -- Tayledras	

It's kind of like how shechorne and say'a'chern mean the same thing in both
languages.

Zha'hai'allav'a (or Zhai'helleva)........
                                                                  
------------------------ Rynath (OIB) / Jake ---------------------
Jesus saves sinners -- 
                       and redeems them for valuable cash prizes!!
--------------------- 102744.2515-+AT+-compuserve.com -----------------


PS My condolences.


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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 21:25:28 -0800 (PST)
From: Becky Anne Christensen <beckyanne-+AT+-iforge.valleynet.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Elspeth
Message-ID: <Pine.BSD/.3.91.960228212334.23291A-100000-+AT+-iforge.valleynet.com>

On Wed, 28 Feb 1996 Wallace-+AT+-online.knoxnews.com wrote:

> To change the subject - did anyone else wonder about the portrayal of
> Herald Lores in LHM? I'm currently rereading it, and just got to that
> part. How could a Chosen Herald actually BEAT another Companion? Why
> would a Chosen Herald believe a Companion was a demon? I know it was
> semi-explained, but it just didn't ring true to me.
> 
> Candace
> 
	I never figured that out, I had to reread that thing twice before 
I could believe it. It never made sense to me. How on earth could he ever 
do that? It's just so...so...unbelievable that a Herald could do that. 
Unless of course Misty was trying to let people know that Herlads do make 
mistakes and are human. But still...

	Lady Becky

The more that you read,
the more things you will know.
The more that you learn,
the more places you'll go.
        --Dr. Suess




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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 21:30:55 -0800 (PST)
From: Becky Anne Christensen <beckyanne-+AT+-iforge.valleynet.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Random
Message-ID: <Pine.BSD/.3.91.960228212842.23291B-100000-+AT+-iforge.valleynet.com>

On Wed, 28 Feb 1996, Tammy Harris wrote:

> On Tue, Feb 27, Lady Sarah wrote:
> 
> <snip>
> > I  remember sitting in my room reading it, and when I got to the part when Kris
> > died I was crying so much I couldn't see anything. I didn't even notice when
> > my sister walked in and started laughing because she knew egsactly where I
> > was. I didn't find it funny at all at the time, but it obviously was for her!
> >  Anyway she left and a  little while latter my Mom walked in.  She went all
> > frantic and thought there was something like seriously wrong with me.  I
> > swear it took me half an hour to calm her down, what a way to ruin a good
> > death sean I swear.  :)  
> 
> I know *exactly* what you mean!!  Anytime my boyfriend sees me crying 
> over a book, he threatens to take it away and never let me read those 
> kinds of books again (as if he could stop me!).  Last night, he came 
> in and said, "but xxx's family died the first time you read it......" 
> (The Great Hunt by R. Jordan).  He just doesn't get it.  You can bet 
> I'll never let him see me reading the end of MPrice!!!  Or, of 
> course, AFall!
> 
> Another teary reader,
> Tammy
> 
> "It's time to ask yourself what you believe"
> 
	When Kris dies, I was bawling too. I think that is the first book 
I'd ever read that I actually cried over. I loved it! I really liked 
Kris, I wish he hadn't died, but it did help the story. I cry every time 
I read that part. Poor Kris :~(

	Lady Becky

The more that you read,
the more things you will know.
The more that you learn,
the more places you'll go.
        --Dr. Suess




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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 21:47:27 -0800 (PST)
From: Becky Anne Christensen <beckyanne-+AT+-iforge.valleynet.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Random
Message-ID: <Pine.BSD/.3.91.960228214203.23291D-100000-+AT+-iforge.valleynet.com>

On Wed, 28 Feb 1996, SHE WHO THINKS GEORGE COOPER IS THE PERFECT MAN wrote:

> Hi, thought this would be as good a time as any to try and send mail. I'm a
> newbie here. . . :) All this talk about Kris dying is about to make me start
> crying, again. And since I'm _trying_ to conect here, I have a question. This
> has been driving me crazy for about a year now. In AotQueen, everyone was
> really surprised that Rolan Chose Talia instead of someone who was already a
> Herald. If he _had_ Chosen someone already a Herald, WHAT WOULD HAPPEN TO
> _THEIR_ Companion???? I mean, isn't the Herald-Companion bond something that is
> pretty darn important? Someone... SAVE ME FROM MY CONFUSION! :)
> Well, if this acually WORKS I'll be one surprised (not to mention confused)
> child.
> 
> Later-
> 
> Bree aka Tiana
> 
	It worked! Suprise!!!!! <-- look, 5! Have you read the LHM (Last 
Herals Mage) trilogy yet? In there Van talks about how Jissa will make a 
great Queen's Own someday. He also talkes about how she will have a loose 
bonding until her real companion chooses her and she is Queen's Own. I 
guess they pretty much know who will be the next Queen's Own, because 
they have the characteristics. I think the Herald-Companion bond is 
important, but not as important as the MO-MOC bond. (Monarch's Own & 
Monarch's Own Companion) It probably explains it a thousand times better 
than I could, so if you have the book, I would go back and reread it 
(Magic's Price) and if you haven't read it yet...go read it quickly, it's 
great! BTW Welcome to the list!

	Lady Becky

The more that you read,
the more things you will know.
The more that you learn,
the more places you'll go.
        --Dr. Suess




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Date:        Wed, 28 Feb 1996 23:50:01 CST
From: Heather Watson <R618%NEMOMUS.bitnet-+AT+-ACADEMIC.NEMOSTATE.EDU>
To: <mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Winde to Thy Wyngs
Message-ID:  <28FEB96.25740633.0057.MUSIC-+AT+-NEMOMUS>

Jake, would you send me a copy of the Tayledras word list, too?  Sounds
neat.  If you sent it to the following address, I'd be obliged:

magik-+AT+-socketis.net

That's my best friend's address, and she can print it off for me.
Bloody computer lab computers won't print from e-mail, unless you
sacrifice the blood of four cats of different colors and swear at it in
five different Scandinavian languages.


HTH

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Date: Thu, 29 Feb 96 17:39:02 EST
From: mealink-+AT+-syd.au.swissbank.com (Kerry Mealing)
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Random
Message-ID: <9602290639.AA05408-+AT+-syd.au.swissbank.com>



Lady Becky wrote:
> 	It worked! Suprise!!!!! <-- look, 5! Have you read the LHM (Last 
                          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ <sigh> I think I've started
a trend.. (Alas poor Kerry, he knew not what he did..)

Hmm, ObMisty:

Cindy wrote:
> Here's another question to toss into the fray.  Why did _Need_ chose Elspeth?

Remembering that Need was still half-asleep at the time she originally
spoke for Elspeth, my guess is that a) As she wakes up she's taken to 
choosing people with either mind or mage-gifts. (Hence Kethry, Kero, Elspeth)
and b) That anyone with a mage-gift as strong and as untrained as Elspeth 
was going to need help (because she'd be easy pickings).

Now, the wildly speculative hypothesis - It took both mage & mind magic 
to stir Need into waking - both Kethry and Kero only had one part of the
equation - enough to rouse need slightly, but not enough to cause her to
wake. I know, I know, I don't really have much factual support, but why
else would she have woken up *now* after so many years? (And no, the
mage-storms don't fit the equation because she woke before they started).

Cheers,
Kerry.









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Date: Thu, 29 Feb 1996 09:46:24 +0100 (CET)
From: Birgit Hanel <bhanel-+AT+-ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Diana Tregarde books! 
Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.91.960229094527.23877A-100000-+AT+-aixterm4.urz.uni-heidelberg.de>


I liked them too, but... (there's always a _but_, it seems)
Children of the Night is clearly my favourite, 'cause there is some (argh! 
not again this word!) character development in it.
In Jinx High and Burning Water Di was there, she acted and talked, but we 
didn't really see that much of her. The books seemed rather focused on 
some of the secondary characters. Almost like a plot looking for a place 
to happen and then saying, well, let Di handle the whole thing.
And of course, Andre was missing...

Donning flame-proof suit
Khenta*
(biography on request only)


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Date:          Thu, 29 Feb 1996 09:43:32 GMT
From: STOKES J <95662014-+AT+-mmu.ac.uk>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Diana Tregarde
Message-ID: <138A07A05B3-+AT+-EXCALIBUR.MMU.AC.UK>

>Date:          Wed, 28 Feb 1996 12:10:06 GMT
>Reply-to:      mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
>From:          Heather Watson <R618%NEMOMUS.bitnet-+AT+-ACADEMIC.NEMOSTATE.EDU>
>To:            95662014-+AT+-mmu.ac.uk
>Subject:       Re: Diana Tregarde

>Yeah, I'd like to hear why these books were disliked so vehemently.
>They have the occasional problem, but I thought they were funny and
>exciting.  But then, I like urban fantasy a lot, so I may be biased.

I've never read any of the Di Tregarde books. I don't know what it is 
but I get put off if the book is not straight fantasy[ unfortunate 
choice of wording but it is only 9:40 am].
Thats why I haven't read any Pratchett either, I know I'm going to 
have to read them sometime it's just a case of finding time.

I see you shiver with antici.....pation
Lord Jason[OIB]

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Date: Thu, 29 Feb 1996 1:48:11 -0800 (PST)
From: TSALE-+AT+-ups.edu
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Di Tregarde
Message-ID: <960229014811.6656-+AT+-ups.edu>

Ok, hows this for reading things int eh wrong order, which I always seem to 
do with Misty.  I read COTN first and then went looking for the other Di 
books.  I was needless to say, very dissapointed.  I loved the whole thing 
about the guardinship of the building and such, which in not in the other 
books at all.  Not to mention Andre. *pantpant* I heartily second the 
commetn that we need more sexy vampires....anyone watch Forever Knight? :)

tayla

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Date:          Thu, 29 Feb 1996 09:54:46 GMT
From: STOKES J <95662014-+AT+-mmu.ac.uk>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Elspeth
Message-ID: <138D088040C-+AT+-EXCALIBUR.MMU.AC.UK>

Date:          Wed, 28 Feb 1996 20:15:30 GMT
Reply-to:      mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
From:          Stormcloud <JWIL3969-+AT+-SIMCL.STJOHNS.EDU>
To:            95662014-+AT+-mmu.ac.uk
Subject:       Re: Elspeth



>    Didn't he think that the other Companion had been conjured up by 
>Tashir?  I haven't read that book in a long, long time.  If I'm not 
>mistaken, he didn't have Mindspeech, and he couldn't hear his 
>Companion.  So she couldn't tell him he was wrong.  you're rereading 
>it, huh?  Does it mention Lores's Gifts?

>-+AT+->---                                   
>Stormcloud                              In the name
>One in Black                            of the Moon 
>Jenna, the Misty maniac               I'll punish you!
>jwil3969-+AT+-simcl.stjohns.edu


Lores gift was fetching remember the argument with Van about
how fetching could kill?.

I see you shiver with antici...pation

Lord Jason[OIB]

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Date: Thu, 29 Feb 1996 08:17:20 -0500 (EST)
From: this desk set wants to fly! <recary-+AT+-phoenix.Princeton.EDU>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Top Ten Ways to know you read too much Misty
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.960229081612.12882B-100000-+AT+-flagstaff.princeton.edu>

On Thu, 29 Feb 1996, puppies and dragons wrote:

> 
> P.S.  Please  excuse  my  nit-picking.  I  just  found  out  that  my
> Grandmother  died  last  night,  and  attempting  humor  has  always  been
> my  way  of  dealing  with  grief.
> 
> 
>                                Mareesa

Oh, 'Reesa, I'm so sorry. Let me offer you my sincere condolences and a 
cyber-shoulder to cry on.

	Becky

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Preserve nature -- pickle a squirrel.



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Date: Thu, 29 Feb 96 15:22:50 +0100
From: dbackhau-+AT+-isou10.estec.esa.nl
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Diana Tregarde (well, not really ..)
Message-ID: <9602291422.AA04437-+AT+-isou10.estec.esa.nl>


Tensen he say:

>> sexiest Mercedes Lackey heroine ever.  (Her men are always so much more
>> attractive than her women...probably because her main audience is
>> straight females, who want to identify with the female characters and
>> fall in love with the males.)
>
>excuse me?!?  Hmm, I always thought I was male...Anyone else out on the 
>list resent this comment?
>
>                                      Tensen

Aw c'mon. As my teachers used to write across the top of my rather
pathetic homework attempts, RTQ (they probably wanted to put RTFQ, but
weren't allowed) - did you read what the anonymous contributor wrote?
Lemme quote the important bit:

"... her main audience .."

Say what you like about the world and it's sexual orientation, but our
ML seems to be a straight female, and all her main heroines are straight,
so the supposition that she is aiming at straight females isn't an
insult to anyone non-straight - it's a fairly safe deduction. 

Who said you weren't male??? What is there is the above to resent??

Now I don't know this for fact, but I would bet that there are a lot 
more female ML readers than male, and because she writes sympathetically 
about gay folk, she probably gets a fair number of gay readers. 

Loosen up my friend, responses like the above can deteriorate into 
nasty flaming battles - if you want to battle, join TLIG, or TMIW, or
whatever the blacks are, or challenge some oldtimer to a mage war - far
more fun for all concerned.

this is, of course, IM(very)HO

Esmeralda Evensbane
(back from the Blight)

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Date:          Thu, 29 Feb 1996 15:30:09 GMT+0200
From: Rozanna McNeer <ROZANM-+AT+-webster.nl>
To: "Jake (Rynath *OIB*)" <compuserve.com!102744.2515-+AT+-enterprise.cistron.nl>,
Subject: Shin'a'in word list
Message-ID: <3135bb21.webster-+AT+-mail.webster.nl>

Jake, could you send me one too? I'm a newbie (just signed up 
yesterday) and I really didn't expect to be buried under this pile of 
e-mail. I like, I like! :)

please send to
rozanm-+AT+-webster.nl

thanks a mil!
Lady Rozanna IV

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Date: Thu, 29 Feb 1996 10:13:55 -0500
From: RKCHUA-+AT+-aol.com
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Attention all groups!
Message-ID: <960229101354_336648616-+AT+-emout04.mail.aol.com>

I'm interested in getting on with a group. Is that possible?



Ruby

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Date:          Thu, 29 Feb 1996 11:42:53 EST
From: "Stormcloud" <JWIL3969-+AT+-SIMCL.STJOHNS.EDU>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Random
Message-ID: <122E2B533D0-+AT+-SIMCL.STJOHNS.EDU>

>     Speaking of which, is Misty ever going to adress the topic of why 
> all these Herald-candidates go to Haven? Very few Companions have to go 
> outside the city, it seems. Weirdness.
> 
> 
<sig snipping>
    She said at one point that people who are going to be Chosen feel 
this undeniable urge to go to Haven.  Maybe it's some kind of 
subconcious Mindspeech Call by the Companions-- "you have to come 
here, you're my Chosen" and if for some reason they can't come (like 
Talia, imprisoned on her father's Holding) or can't "Hear" it, then 
the Companions have to go out and get them.  That's the way I think 
of it, anyway.


-+AT+->---                                   
Stormcloud                              In the name
One in Black                            of the Moon 
Jenna, the Misty maniac               I'll punish you!
jwil3969-+AT+-simcl.stjohns.edu

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Date:          Thu, 29 Feb 1996 11:47:07 EST
From: "Stormcloud" <JWIL3969-+AT+-SIMCL.STJOHNS.EDU>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Di Tregarde
Message-ID: <122F5015551-+AT+-SIMCL.STJOHNS.EDU>

> Jinx High was rather pathetic as a storyline, but had interesting 
> ideas..  It was the first of the Misty books I actually read after my 
> friends told me how great her books were.  I read the book and kept 
> saying, the others have to be better..  then really do...  Either that or 
> its a girl thing...  I then read Oathbound and was hooked...
> However back to going over the DI books.  COTN was excellent.  Burning  
> Waters was excellent... until the end.  She seemed to have just thrown 
> together the ending for a deadline, after the way she worked so much on 
> detail throughout the rest of the book.  Jinx high had the ideas, but was 
> not a really good book, doesn't even seem on the same lines as any of her 
> other books in the way of style.   After reading some of her other 
> series, I also begin to wonder what particular order did she write these 
> books in?!?  Since her normal tendency seems to make the middle book a 
> filler, and doesn't work as hard on it (apparantly).
> 
>                                        Tensen

    She wrote Burning Water first, then Children of the Night, then 
Jinx High.  But by the time she got to Jinx High, I think, her other 
books were much more popular, and she put more time into working on 
them.  Her Di Tregarde books sell the least out of all her series, 
you know, which is why Triangle Park and Arcanum 101 have been 
indefinitely delayed.  She might not even go back to them, which 
would be a shame, because Di is most definitely one of her sexiest 
and best-developed heroines, and I for one would like to see more of 
her.










-+AT+->---                                   
Stormcloud                              In the name
One in Black                            of the Moon 
Jenna, the Misty maniac               I'll punish you!
jwil3969-+AT+-simcl.stjohns.edu

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Date: Thu, 29 Feb 96 17:49:32 +0100
From: dbackhau-+AT+-isou10.estec.esa.nl
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: ADMIN: ongoing stuff
Message-ID: <9602291649.AA04592-+AT+-isou10.estec.esa.nl>

Mel wrote:

>General list stuff:
>
>Someone asked me recently whether it would be possible to 
>put the listarchives into something like Hypermail (which, for those of 
>you who don't know, allows you to read the list via the Web). Sadly, it's 
>not going to happen anytime soon. You know how big the archives are
>at the moment? (Including the old archives from our previous site.)
>	
>	29Mb. 
>
>That's a _lot_ of messages. Lots. Really.
>
>The problem with Hypermail (and its relatives) is that the archives 
>would have to be held in a different format to that which Listproc
>uses. Quite apart from the minor hassles of keeping them synchronised,
>that means that there would be 29Mb sitting about on the disk twice.
>	
>I may try and implement a slightly more sensible Web interface for the
>digests at some point -- split them up by months, or something -- but
>again I do not expect this to happen particularly soon.

Eerm, please miss, I don't understand. When I'm away I set my mail to 
POSTPONE, and on my return go to 

http://ftp.herald.co.uk/pub/lists/lackey-archives/

where I read through all the digests that have happened since I last 
logged on. It's where I first found the list, and where I lurked for
the first month or so deciding whether to join in. Also, if I'm 
particularly busy at work, I do the same thing, and flip through 
the latest digest when I've a few minutes spare - that's all it takes 
to pick out what interests you.

I have read 'em all - well, May 95 and onwards, although the older 
stuff is there and I've dipped in occasionally (when work is very quiet!)

Just out of interest, for all those who moan about the same old stuff
being churned out, ;-),  how's about this from: 

 >Date: Mon, 3 Oct 94 12:44:17 EST
 >From: mcmorris-+AT+-vet.vet.purdue.edu (brandywine)
 >To:  mercedes-lackey-+AT+-uel.ac.uk
 >Subject: what happens to the Companion???
 >Message-ID: <9410031744.AA05900-+AT+-vet.vet.purdue.edu>
 >
 >Nikki asked the important question:
 >> 
 >> 'Nuther question that's been roaming in my head. When the Monarch's Own
 >> dies, his Companion Chooses the next Monarch's Own, yes? And oft-times,
 >> this Monarch's Own-to-be is already a Herald. So what happens to the
 >> Companion that had Chosen him in the first place?
 
 >In "Magic's Price" Vanyel has spoken with Yfandes and Jissa about
 >the fact that Jissa will be the next Monarch's Own and that
 >HAD she been chosen, it would not have been a true bonding.
 >THe true bonding would take place AFTER her mother's death.
 >
 >It seemed to me that since Jissa already knew what was going to 
 >happen and since she was being trained to be a Herald, they
 >skipped the formality of having a half-bonding.
 >
 >As a side note on Jissa:  It also goes on to point out that she
 >has MAJOR empathy which seems to have been a requirement for the
 >Monarch's Own in those days.  Funny how information gets lost
 >and twisted thru the years? (reference to everyone thinking how
 >STRANGE it was that Talia was an empath)

 >-brandywine

It's all there folks - still, it re-occurs with a different slant, and
as the new books come out, there's the "Oh so that's what it was all about"
factor! Haven't found any mage wars or fraternities way back yet - so 
they're new! I might try wading through the pre-May '95 stuff at some 
point - you'd be amazed what people 'talk' about! 

tot ziens,
Esmeralda Evensbane
(Back from the Blight)



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Date:          Thu, 29 Feb 1996 11:58:42 EST
From: "Stormcloud" <JWIL3969-+AT+-SIMCL.STJOHNS.EDU>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Random
Message-ID: <12326511D07-+AT+-SIMCL.STJOHNS.EDU>

> Stormcloud wrote:
> 
> >she must have thought I was totally wacko!
> 
> *Thought?*  If they're not convinced *yet* you're not trying hard enough! :)
> 

Being that this was five years ago that I was weeping hysterically 
for the first time of many over 'Lendel's death, back when I was 
first starting to seriously read and write fantasy, she did not yet 
realize how insane I am.  But now they do.  <eg>  Oh, yes, I think 
they do! :>





-+AT+->---                                   
Stormcloud                              In the name
One in Black                            of the Moon 
Jenna, the Misty maniac               I'll punish you!
jwil3969-+AT+-simcl.stjohns.edu

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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 20:50:35 +0000 (GMT)
From: Roger Dahl <rd-+AT+-redleaf.bbs.no>
To: Lackey-List <mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Diana Tregarde books! 
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.91.960228204654.2636A-100000-+AT+-redleaf.bbs.no>

I think this was lost when the list was down....

On Sat, 24 Feb 1996 Raingcats-+AT+-aol.com wrote:

> > I love Misty's writing in general (although,=20
> >let's not talk about the Diana Tregarde books)
>=20
> I LIKED the Diana Tregarde books I'll have you know! What didn't you like
> about them?

Woow.... This is a busy list. I've got 35 messages during 12 hours. Is=20
that usual?

About the Tregarde books.... I've read one of them, 'Jinx High' from 91.=20
I found it very silly. Was it supposed to be scary? It said 'horror' on
the cover. The larger-than-life characters seemed completely missplaced in
'real life'. I mean, the heroine is a successfull writer who also is a
witch with a black belt in karate... Give me a break... 'Jinx High' came
complete with "poor little rich kids" and clich=E9s upon clich=E9s. The one
interesting thing about 'Jinx High' is the comments Tregarde has about
writing, and the life of a writer. (Tregarde teaches a writers class in
this book). I suspect strongly they come directly from Lackey's own
experience. Like when Tregarde explains to her class how a hero in a book
should be portrayed I kept thinking "hey this is how Tregarde IS in THIS
book..." :)

  -+*#*+- -+*#*+- -+*#*+- -+*#  Roger Dahl - rd-+AT+-redleaf.bbs.no  #*+-=20
      Now Hounds of Love are Hunting




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Date:          Thu, 29 Feb 1996 12:11:39 EST
From: "Stormcloud" <JWIL3969-+AT+-SIMCL.STJOHNS.EDU>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Di Tregarde and sexy vampires :b
Message-ID: <1235D4E2240-+AT+-SIMCL.STJOHNS.EDU>

> Ok, hows this for reading things int eh wrong order, which I always seem to 
> do with Misty.  I read COTN first and then went looking for the other Di 
> books.  I was needless to say, very dissapointed.  I loved the whole thing 
> about the guardinship of the building and such, which in not in the other 
> books at all.  Not to mention Andre. *pantpant* I heartily second the 
> comment that we need more sexy vampires....anyone watch Forever 
> Knight? :)
> 
> tayla

ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  :)  The three sexiest vampires in 
the world (IMHO): Andre LeBrel (that was his name, right?!), Henry 
Fitzroy, and Nick Knight! :b  I also read COTN first, and I was very 
very happy with it.  Oh, I was very depressed when it was mentioned 
in JH, I think, or maybe BW, that Di's gay friend Lenny (?) was 
dying.  I liked him a lot from COTN.  You know, that wasn't _really_ 
in the wrong order that you read them.  COTN _happened_ first, even 
if it wasn't written first.  Andre is mentioned in BW as Di's 
boyfriend back in New York. :)

    Enough of my rambling!
    
-+AT+->---                                   
Stormcloud                              In the name
One in Black                            of the Moon 
Jenna, the Misty maniac               I'll punish you!
jwil3969-+AT+-simcl.stjohns.edu

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Date:          Thu, 29 Feb 1996 12:14:51 EST
From: "Stormcloud" <JWIL3969-+AT+-SIMCL.STJOHNS.EDU>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Herald Lores
Message-ID: <1236B615B94-+AT+-SIMCL.STJOHNS.EDU>

> >    Didn't he think that the other Companion had been conjured up by 
> >Tashir?  I haven't read that book in a long, long time.  If I'm not 
> >mistaken, he didn't have Mindspeech, and he couldn't hear his 
> >Companion.  So she couldn't tell him he was wrong.  you're rereading 
> >it, huh?  Does it mention Lores's Gifts?
> 
> 
> Lores gift was fetching remember the argument with Van about
> how fetching could kill?.
> 
> I see you shiver with antici...pation
> 
> Lord Jason[OIB]

Okay!  (I haven't read that book in nearly two years, b/c that's how 
long my friend has had my copy! <growl>)  So he had convinced himself 
that Ghost (I 'member that much!) was a demon, and his Companion 
couldn't talk to him and tell him otherwise.  He thought he was doing 
the right thing, and it took someone else speaking rationally to tell 
him otherwise.

-+AT+->---                                   
Stormcloud                              In the name
One in Black                            of the Moon 
Jenna, the Misty maniac               I'll punish you!
jwil3969-+AT+-simcl.stjohns.edu

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Date: Thu, 29 Feb 1996 17:28:04 GMT
From: mel (Melanie Dymond Harper)
To: mercedes-lackey
Subject: reading list via Web
Message-ID: <9602291728.AA11727-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk>

I forgot to add that Hypermail allows you to read the list as individual
messages, rather than in digest form. That's why things would need to be kept
in a different format than they are now. The current access via the Web
won't go away anytime soon, worry not ...

Mel.

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Date: Thu, 29 Feb 1996 11:48:26 -0600 (CST)
From: SHE WHO THINKS GEORGE COOPER IS THE PERFECT MAN <GEBRIDGES-+AT+-tiny.computing.csbsju.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Random
Message-ID: <960229114826.2d5d-+AT+-tiny.computing.csbsju.edu>

Hmmm... I THINK that maybe I understand. . . . But I still CAN NOT see how
they would know. I mean, isn't the fact that they were expecting Rolan to
Choose someone else implying that there would have to be someone else to
Choose? Did that make sense? But on the other hand, it's pretty possible that
the Companions were just holding out and not bothering to tell anyone who was
going to be Chosen. :) I guess we all know they have their own plans. . . .
	Speaking of plans, I guess I missed most of the Elspeth argument. I'm
still driven to throw my own opinion in. I think that she had a pretty rough
time of it. I really can't say I know how it is to be the first Heir, so I
really don't know what waws driving her. So maybe she was acting like a selfish
brat, butit makes her a lot more real to me. I've had characters in books who
glide along, never doing anything wrong, never having any problems, AND IT'T
BORING!! Now I'm late for class, so I suppose I have to go. :( I wonder of
Elspeth ever had to put up with the rigors of third year Spanish. . . .

Hasta la later. . .

Tiana

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