MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 402

Topics covered in this issue include:

  1) Re: People we'd like to meet
	by Tammy Harris <TAMARAH-+AT+-medicine.dmed.iupui.edu>
  2) Re: Windrider Unchained
	by Mat Timmerman <ACCMJT-+AT+-vaxc.hofstra.edu>
  3) Re: Out Of Print - Copyright Ethics (fwd)
	by mealink-+AT+-syd.au.swissbank.com (Kerry Mealing)
  4) Re: Why wings?
	by Mat Timmerman <ACCMJT-+AT+-vaxc.hofstra.edu>
  5) Re: Talia?
	by Mat Timmerman <ACCMJT-+AT+-vaxc.hofstra.edu>
  6) Re: Talia?
	by Gyrfalcon <msowers-+AT+-menger.eecs.stevens-tech.edu>
  7) Re: Brad Pitttttt?  Bleeech!
	by Tammy Harris <TAMARAH-+AT+-medicine.dmed.iupui.edu>
  8) Re: short-stories
	by Mat Timmerman <ACCMJT-+AT+-vaxc.hofstra.edu>
  9) Re: Charliss and the Empire
	by Mat Timmerman <ACCMJT-+AT+-vaxc.hofstra.edu>
 10) agreed!
	by catwoman <catwoman-+AT+-inreach.inreach.com>
 11) Re: Heather Alexander (was Re: Ten Ways...)
	by Mat Timmerman <ACCMJT-+AT+-vaxc.hofstra.edu>
 12) Re: Coconut fight?
	by Becky Anne Christensen <beckyanne-+AT+-iforge.valleynet.com>
 13) Re: Talia?
	by Markus Weber <maildrop-+AT+-kinky.demon.co.uk>
 14) Re: Pre- Vows and Honors
	by Alex Neilson <al-+AT+-atcafe.com.au>
 15) Re: Talia?
	by Markus Weber <maildrop-+AT+-kinky.demon.co.uk>
 16) Re: Companions + nodes
	by Markus Weber <maildrop-+AT+-kinky.demon.co.uk>
 17) off topic, was:  Hunky immortals / Alberich Story.
	by Tammy Harris <TAMARAH-+AT+-medicine.dmed.iupui.edu>
 18) RE:Bedlam Bards
	by "Jake (Rynath *OIB*)" <102744.2515-+AT+-compuserve.com>
 19) Re: Kerowyn
	by "Jake (Rynath *OIB*)" <102744.2515-+AT+-compuserve.com>
 20) Sword and Sorceress Short Story Stuff! 
	by "Jake (Rynath *OIB*)" <102744.2515-+AT+-compuserve.com>
 21) Re: Hunky Immortals
	by "Jake (Rynath *OIB*)" <102744.2515-+AT+-compuserve.com>
 22) RE: Misty co authors
	by "Jake (Rynath *OIB*)" <102744.2515-+AT+-compuserve.com>
 23) RE: Copyright ethics and other fun stuff
	by "Jake (Rynath *OIB*)" <102744.2515-+AT+-compuserve.com>
 24) Re: Pre- Vows and Honors
	by Tensen <tensen-+AT+-crow.cybercomm.net>
 25) Re: Talia?
	by dbush-+AT+-usa.pipeline.com (dbush)
 26) Re: Nother Newbie
	by Markus Weber <maildrop-+AT+-kinky.demon.co.uk>
 27) Re: Talia?
	by STOKES J <95662014-+AT+-mmu.ac.uk>

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Date: Thu, 07 Mar 1996 14:23:40 -0500
From: Tammy Harris <TAMARAH-+AT+-medicine.dmed.iupui.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: People we'd like to meet
Message-ID: <BCC23F14A4-+AT+-medicine.dmed.iupui.edu>

Heyla, Dudes and Dudettes!
        (what do you say to that, Rynath?)

Rynath wrote:

> Rozie McN wrote:
> 
> .    If you had a choice of three people you could live with 
> .from any of Misty's books, who would they be and why? (Doesn't that 
> .sound like a question from an English exam! ugh. Sorry. Duck flames 
> .from fellow over-stressed students). Ladies, stop drooling over the 
> .keyboard. *Live* with, not have a *fling* with. Same goes for you 
> .gentlemen! Or which series you would like to live in.
> 
> Hokay, I'll bite.

Consider yourself bitten!  : )

> 2. VANYEL (ObChoice). I mean, who wouldn't.  

I wouldn't!  It'd be great to meet/know him, but *live* with?  
Nuh-uh!  Too moody, too much depression.  MHO, anyway.
 
As for me, well....

Darkwind.  No question!  Caring, compassionate, lots of integrity 
and inner strength, not to mention that he tops out the drool meter!
 
The people I'd most like to meet are:  Tarma, Vanyel, Kerowyn, 
Solaris, Alberich, and Tremayne.  Hmmm, apparently I like strong 
characters.  I don't think I want to know what it says about me. : )  
I think these people would be the most interesting--they'd sure have
great stories to tell!  Also, they'd sure be nice to have around when 
things got rough.  

I don't think I could pick a series to live in, but if I could live 
in Velgarth, I'd like to live with the Tayledras.

> IMHO's all around this message. (That's In My Humble Opinion, Tammy :> )

Thank you oh, so very much, Rynath *dear*.  <evil gryn>

Wind to thy Wings,

Tammy

"It's time to ask yourself what you believe"

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Date: Thu, 07 Mar 1996 20:36:22 -0400 (EDT)
From: Mat Timmerman <ACCMJT-+AT+-vaxc.hofstra.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Windrider Unchained
Message-ID: <01I22JAEAB7M91W84E-+AT+-vaxc.hofstra.edu>

From: Rosario Holsen-Baker <rholsen-+AT+-sidwell.edu>
>             
"Windrider.." lyrics snipped.


>	How's that for too much free time? :)
>             

You think that's bad?  I was trying to get my thouroughly un-fantasy
friends to like filk, I made them a tape, and actually typed up the
lyrics to each song.  And it was a 90 minute tape.  Does anyone else
realize how _long_ the lyrics to "Demonsbane" are to type?

I was acutally thinking about adding a Misty-filk section to my
homepage.  I might stick those lyrics onto it (might as well get
_some_ use out of them), and try to stick a few (bad quality)
.wav files (or .au) of parts of Misty songs there.

Mat 
accmjt-+AT+-vaxc.hofstra.edu
http://ada.hofstra.edu/~mtimme47/
"I don't care _what_ you smell, just get in there!"


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Date: Fri, 8 Mar 96 12:43:41 EST
From: mealink-+AT+-syd.au.swissbank.com (Kerry Mealing)
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Out Of Print - Copyright Ethics (fwd)
Message-ID: <9603080243.AA04394-+AT+-syd.au.swissbank.com>


Markus wrote:

> FWIW, the legal situation in Germany might be different. Last time I
> checked ( a few years ago), it was legal to make copies of everything
> you rented for money *for private use*. In particular, copying books,
> (video tapes, CDs) you rented from a library (video, CD rental) for
> private use were okay.

Your -own- private use I'd warrant, not for redistribution (even without
profit) to other people for their private use..

> Of course, those of the legal persuasion might not agree with me :-)

*grin* Oh it's nothing to do with the legal side of me, I just disagree
with nearly everybody. :)

Cheers,
Kerry. <mealink-+AT+-syd.au.swissbank.com>

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Date: Thu, 07 Mar 1996 21:02:31 -0400 (EDT)
From: Mat Timmerman <ACCMJT-+AT+-vaxc.hofstra.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Why wings?
Message-ID: <01I22KD84K7C91W84E-+AT+-vaxc.hofstra.edu>

From: "David.Barber" <ca2dba-+AT+-isis.sunderland.ac.uk>
>
>if i rember correctly the crest is
>based on the son of valdemar's adept
>manifestion and that he was captured by
>a evil mage and escaped with the help of 
>shadowdancer and sunsinger and afterwards
>his manifestion appeared with broken chains
>and this was adopted as valemar's official
>crest.

Where did you get this from?  IIRC, the only mentions of Windrider
are the song and one of Van's classes in MPawn.  And maybe in AFlight,
when Dirk thinks about Sun and Shadow.  I have no recollection of 
any mention of Windrider's Adept manefestation.

Mat 
accmjt-+AT+-vaxc.hofstra.edu
http://ada.hofstra.edu/~mtimme47/
"I don't care _what_ you smell, just get in there!"


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Date: Thu, 07 Mar 1996 21:18:21 -0400 (EDT)
From: Mat Timmerman <ACCMJT-+AT+-vaxc.hofstra.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Talia?
Message-ID: <01I22KZ56VIC91W84E-+AT+-vaxc.hofstra.edu>

From: maildrop-+AT+-kinky.demon.co.uk (Markus Weber)
>
>Does anybody recall when/where Talia was "promoted" to a
>Sun-Priestress of Vkandis? It's mentioned (in passing) in the first
>pages of Storms of Fury. Did I somehow miss a book or short story?
                                                                   
It was mentioned in WoC, from one of Gwena's long distance "chats"
with Rolan.

Mat 
accmjt-+AT+-vaxc.hofstra.edu
http://ada.hofstra.edu/~mtimme47/
"I don't care _what_ you smell, just get in there!"


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Date: Thu, 07 Mar 1996 21:21:13 -0500
From: Gyrfalcon <msowers-+AT+-menger.eecs.stevens-tech.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Talia?
Message-ID: <313F9999.7BF6-+AT+-menger.eecs.stevens-tech.edu>

MURANOG THE BIG CUDDLY TROLL wrote:
> 
> AFAIK, it certainly didn't happen during the Winds trilogy, nor is it
> actually shown as happening during the Storms trilogy...if Misty's
> actually written a proper account of it, it must be a short story
> somewhere...have you checked all MZB's Sword & Sorceress books?

It happens during the Winds Tril.  Elspeth is surprised/happy to hear 
that Valdemar and Karse signed an alliance.  And that Talia was made a 
Sun-priestess to seal the alliance.  They hear it through Gwena/Savil IIRC.

But as always me-+AT+-school  Books-+AT+-far.far.away

--Gyrfalcon

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~msowers-+AT+-menger.eecs.stevens-tech.edu~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
     Magic still exists.  
        We have only to reach out and touch it, it is a part of the
	very fabric of the world.  When our belief of magic completely
	dies this universe shall die.  Because that magic; Hope, Dreams,
	Love, Beauty, Wonder, Belief, and Discovery are what make us a
	people. They are all part of a great Art whose workings are
	still a mystery but whose applications can be seen every day.
	If we ever lose the Art  mankind shall not last the day.  Let
	the magic that is in us roam free in our work, play, in each
	other, and most of all in ourselves.

			 Let it roam free or it will die.             
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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Date: Thu, 07 Mar 1996 14:36:40 -0500
From: Tammy Harris <TAMARAH-+AT+-medicine.dmed.iupui.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Brad Pitttttt?  Bleeech!
Message-ID: <BCF9DE1000-+AT+-medicine.dmed.iupui.edu>

On Thurs, Mar 7, Rynath wrote:

> I fail to see the big huge drooling that goes along with Brad Pitt.  Being a SSG
> (that's Single Straight Guy) I just don't know *what* it is about the Pittster
> that makes many women's legs turn to pudding and causes them to pant
> uncontrollably.  He wasn't *that* great in Interview...  although he *was*
> better than the back cover picture on the first paperback edition of Interview.
> <shudder> Even thinking about that cover gives me bad dreams.

As a SSF, I'll have to agree with you.  I don't know what it is, 
either.  He's cute and all, but pudding?  But what do I know?  I 
don't know what people see in Tom Cruise, either.  <Tammy dons 
asbestos suit--okay, go ahead!  Give it your best shot!>
 
> Studio executives cast a big action hero as Vanyel.  I mean, like Jean Claude
> Van Damme.  Play along with me before you flame.  This way, all the people who
> like action films will go see it because it has Van Damme, and all the
> Misty/Fantasy fans will see it just to see how *bad* it is.  :)  Now, you may
> not like it, but it works! 

Aaaaaaaaahh!  God, no!  Anything but that! I'd settle for Micheal 
Praed, and I don't even know what he looks like!!  Hopefully, Misty 
would retain some control over casting, even if just veto-power.  

> And the pressing question out of all of this is... WHO WOULD PLAY KEROWYN?

Even more pressing--who would Harrison Ford play??

Just MHO!
Tammy


"It's time to ask yourself what you believe"

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Date: Thu, 07 Mar 1996 21:17:11 -0400 (EDT)
From: Mat Timmerman <ACCMJT-+AT+-vaxc.hofstra.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: short-stories
Message-ID: <01I22KGMO3SE91W84E-+AT+-vaxc.hofstra.edu>

From: deanca <deanca-+AT+-edweb.concord.wvnet.edu>
>
>> OIB. TMIW, LIG Cat People, and all others... 
>'scuse me, I haven't been here long, umm, what do these stand for?
                                                                   
Here we go:

TOIB -- The Ones in Black   -- contact Dalisair or Lord Jason
TMIW -- The Men in White          "    Gyrfalcon 
TLIG -- The Ladies in Green       "    Lady Tammy
Cat People--this one is obvious.  "    Jaguar

They are all sort of groups we decide to join for fun.  TMIW are 
led by Gyrfalcon (and, no, we don't believe you Gyr) and are
Piers Anthony fans trying to convert us all to PA fans too.
The Cat People (of whom I am one) represent the interest of 
non-humans, and are the enemies of the MIW.  TLIG are our 
allies in the fight.  TOIB originally formed to keep the
rest of us from ganging up on TMIW, but have since seen the
error of their ways, and joined us in the fight.  At the moment,
most of it is off-list in a little (ha!) e-mail mage-duel/war.

Hey Mel, this isn't really an on-topic kind of thing, but it
might be good to put an explanation of this all (which mine isn't)
in the FAQ.


Mat 
accmjt-+AT+-vaxc.hofstra.edu
http://ada.hofstra.edu/~mtimme47/
"I don't care _what_ you smell, just get in there!"




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Date: Thu, 07 Mar 1996 21:28:35 -0400 (EDT)
From: Mat Timmerman <ACCMJT-+AT+-vaxc.hofstra.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Charliss and the Empire
Message-ID: <01I22L0CVADM91W84E-+AT+-vaxc.hofstra.edu>

From: Marissa K Lingen <mlingen-+AT+-gac.edu>
>
>Did mine eyes deceive me?  Did somebody suggest that Misty could learn
>from *Robert* *Jordan*?????  (<--yup, it works with ?s too)  Mat, have
>you lost your mind? (dumb question)  Monster books are only cool when
>they have more than two characters that you like, and when they're long
>for a reason and not just 'cause he kept rambling.  I guess I'm going to
>have to reread Robert Jordan's first ones just because there are
>characters that I liked, but I don't remember the story (such as it is)
>well enough just to pick up with a new one.
>Comparing Misty to Robert Jordan is like...like comparing the food I eat
>here in the college cafeteria to the food I had this summer in France. 
>Sure, it's supposed to be the same kind of stuff, but...
>--Morticia
>

Well, I was thinking more of a melding of Misty and RJ.  Think of 
it:  Misty's characters (good guys anyway) with RJ's plots (and 
possibly villains).  I like tWoT, but my biggest problem with it
is that most of the characters are nasty to each other, and
are annoying as hell.  Add that to the fact that _none_ of them
actually talk to each other, and only its only the plot that 
holds me.


Mat 
accmjt-+AT+-vaxc.hofstra.edu
http://ada.hofstra.edu/~mtimme47/
"I don't care _what_ you smell, just get in there!"

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Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 18:36:38 -0800
From: catwoman <catwoman-+AT+-inreach.inreach.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: agreed!
Message-ID: <199603080236.SAA05135-+AT+-inreach.com>

At 13:51 3/7/96 GMT, you wrote:
>>	Me too! In all the books she writes, you can always read them 
>many times without becoming bored. I think I read all of them at least 
>once a every couple of months. Since being on this list, even more 
>because I'm always looking stuff up for reference. I really do use Misty 
>books more than my school books, guess it shows where my priorities lie!
>
I've read the Arrows trilogy I don't know how many times, I love 'em! Plus
the Di Tregarde stories (i know i didn't spell that right) They get better
and better every time I read them, and I find stuff I missed each time!

-catwoman-+AT+-inreach.com
looking for a spiffy signature....


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Date: Thu, 07 Mar 1996 21:35:55 -0400 (EDT)
From: Mat Timmerman <ACCMJT-+AT+-vaxc.hofstra.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Heather Alexander (was Re: Ten Ways...)
Message-ID: <01I22LI03ZWW91W84E-+AT+-vaxc.hofstra.edu>

From: deanca <deanca-+AT+-edweb.concord.wvnet.edu>
>
>> And she does sound good just speaking.  There's a track on "Wanderlust"
>> that's called "ContrariDance" where there's no music, just Heather
>> telling a story.
>No, "An Scael " is the track with the story, and Contraridance is the 
>track following it, which is that same story told through music.

Is it?  On the tape, it's a little hard to tell which track is which
(lots of them seem to run together) on the tape.  I assumed that
the spoken was "Contraridance" since somewhere the last line she
says the word.

Mat 
accmjt-+AT+-vaxc.hofstra.edu
http://ada.hofstra.edu/~mtimme47/
"I don't care _what_ you smell, just get in there!"


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Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 18:40:51 -0800 (PST)
From: Becky Anne Christensen <beckyanne-+AT+-iforge.valleynet.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Coconut fight?
Message-ID: <Pine.BSD/.3.91.960307183514.21446B-100000-+AT+-iforge.valleynet.com>

On Thu, 7 Mar 1996 Raingcats-+AT+-aol.com wrote:

> >Okay,  this has nothing to do with ML,  but with MontyPython.
> 
> <snip, snip>
> 
> Excuse me, but who (or what) is MontyPython? Everybody seems to know but
> me!!!!!!!! <exasperated sigh> Sorry, you will have to forgive my occasionally
> ignorant questions! <g>
> 
> Zhai'helleva!
> 
> Lady Moonsong
	
	You poor thing! Well, it's a comedy group, but so much more than 
that. The best way to have the Monty Python experience is to run to the 
nearest video store and get _Monty Python and the Holy Grail_ It is one 
of the best movies known to man. Then if you get the commedy channel, 
watch a couple episodes of Monty Python's Flying Circus. You will then 
know all about the wonderful world of swallows, coconuts, and other such 
completely pointless silly stuff! Or, I can just send you the whole 
script of the movie, but it's so much better to watch it. And know, for 
something completely different......

Ob Misty: Do 'ya suppose there's swallows in Velgarth? Or White Coconuts. 
Well, they're would have to be White Coconuts, because then how else 
would the crazy loony Herald get around? 

	Lady Becky

The more that you read,
the more things you will know.
The more that you learn,
the more places you'll go.
        --Dr. Suess




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Date: Fri, 08 Mar 1996 02:21:12 GMT
From: Markus Weber <maildrop-+AT+-kinky.demon.co.uk>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Talia?
Message-ID: <313f9906.198948813-+AT+-doorstop>

>[...] have you checked all MZB's Sword & Sorceress books?

Not yet, but it's early in the day; 3:30am, to be precise :-p

Cheers
-Markus
---
Markus Weber
hubby-+AT+-kinky.demon.co.uk         101530.10-+AT+-compuserve.com
PGP key available: send email to "hubby-pgp-+AT+-kinky.demon.co.uk"
Prune juice. A warrior's drink.

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Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 14:02:46 +1100 (EST)
From: Alex Neilson <al-+AT+-atcafe.com.au>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Pre- Vows and Honors
Message-ID: <199603080302.OAA17032-+AT+-jiji.atcafe.com.au>

> [My ramblings about copyright snipped.]
>
> Becky wrote:
> > 	Hmmmmm, well, what if I promised to study it *real* hard, and do 
> > my English report on it. That would be considered study purposes, and 
> > we're even doing a short story unit in English right now! And well, if I 
> > just *happen* to be desperately drooling for a copy, that's just coincidence!
> 
> If you only wanted to copy 10% of the short story, then yes.. :)
> 
> Kerry. <mealink-+AT+-syd.au.swissbank.com> 
> 
Hmmm. . . What if 10 of the people with access to the story copy 10%
each, and send copies to all the people who haven't got it? ;)

Zhai'helleva,
Troll-Lord Andros Sehal (AKA Alex Neilson) (al-+AT+-atcafe.com.au)

"Oook" - The Librarian.

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Date: Fri, 08 Mar 1996 03:06:07 GMT
From: Markus Weber <maildrop-+AT+-kinky.demon.co.uk>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Talia?
Message-ID: <313fa300.201502845-+AT+-doorstop>

>If I'm not mistaken, somewhere between By the Sword (maybe during?) 
>and the first Winds book Talia made a diplomatic trip down to Karse 
>to help seal an alliance between Karse and Valdemar against Hardorn, 
>and it was then, in a gesture of sisterhood, perhaps, that Solaris 
>made her and honourary Sun-priest.  I could be wrong, because it's 
>been _such_ a long time since I've read those books.

Well, IIRC the alliance is hinted at in the Winds trilogy, and in
Storms there are lots of references to Talia being made Sun-Priestress
and knowing Solaris very well. The references are just too frequent
and consistent for something of these proportions to be mentioned just
in passing. Mayne there's another book waiting to be written *hope*

Cheers
-Markus
---
Markus Weber
hubby-+AT+-kinky.demon.co.uk         101530.10-+AT+-compuserve.com
PGP key available: send email to "hubby-pgp-+AT+-kinky.demon.co.uk"
Prune juice. A warrior's drink.

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Date: Fri, 08 Mar 1996 02:30:21 GMT
From: Markus Weber <maildrop-+AT+-kinky.demon.co.uk>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Companions + nodes
Message-ID: <313f9a97.199349269-+AT+-doorstop>

>If Companions are white and blue-eyed, for the same reason that Mages and
>the Bond birds the of mages are white and blue-eyed: their use of node
>energies, why DIDN'T the area around Haven have constantly drained nodes?
>Between the Companions and the mages in training, where was all the energy
>coming from?
>
>True, Vanyel built a Heartstone for Haven, but before then?

I wasn't aware you could actually drain the nodes, at least not by
"normal usage". 

The question is rather -- why isn't everybodies hair white?

Cheers
-Markus
---
Markus Weber
hubby-+AT+-kinky.demon.co.uk         101530.10-+AT+-compuserve.com
PGP key available: send email to "hubby-pgp-+AT+-kinky.demon.co.uk"
Prune juice. A warrior's drink.

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Date: Thu, 07 Mar 1996 14:58:01 -0500
From: Tammy Harris <TAMARAH-+AT+-medicine.dmed.iupui.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: off topic, was:  Hunky immortals / Alberich Story.
Message-ID: <BD54DC29E0-+AT+-medicine.dmed.iupui.edu>


Kerry:   D'you love me? *grin*

Jaguar:   Dunno. Are you dead, fictional, taken, or gay? If so, we probably do!

Tammy:    Worse--he's in Australia!!  (trust me--LDR's are frustrating!)

Kerry:
   <sigh> Some people are just sooo hard to please..
   So if I were, say, a fictional Aussie gay vampire in a relationship,
   that'd be the ultimate in unattainability.. Cool..
   Hmmm, 1 out of 5 ain't ... is only 20%. <sigh>

Poooor Kerry!
But really, wouldn't 'attainable' be more fun?

Kerry also wrote:

> ObMisty: Someone said they didn't like the way SR dealt with Firesong
> - while I agree 'cos I quite liked Firesong, I do admire Misty for daring
> to have major characters fall from grace in that type of way especially
> given that it was at least partly his fault 
<snip, snip>

I quite agree with you.  While I didn't really like it, it was a very 
daring thing to do!  Admittedly, I thought the explanation at the 
end was weak, still, having your a main character (i.e. a white hat, 
aka good guy) do something really rotten makes for more realistic 
characters, and more complex plotlines.  Makes us readers think a 
little, too.

Cheers to you,
Tammy






"It's time to ask yourself what you believe"

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Date: 07 Mar 96 23:56:06 EST
From: "Jake (Rynath *OIB*)" <102744.2515-+AT+-compuserve.com>
To: M-L mailing list <mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk>
Subject: RE:Bedlam Bards
Message-ID: <960308045605_102744.2515_GHT37-3-+AT+-CompuServe.COM>

Free Bard Oriole wrote:
	
."A Knight of Ghosts and Shadows" and "Summoned To Tourney"
.Are absolutely awesome!  Misty co-wrote them with Ellen Guom.  They 
.are chock full cool music, gorgeous guys, elves, and there are lots 
.of inside jokes that only Misty fans would get. Spots where Ellen is 
.teasing Misty about things. :)

Like the Misty cameo in Knight of Ghosts and Shadows, when Eric is busking...

Those books were good, but Ellen Guon's _Bedlam Bardz_ is IMHO a waste.  It
seems that in this case:

ELLEN + MISTY = Great book; ELLEN - MISTY = Recycled book.

I guess it's because that healer girl and the older woman (books-+AT+-bedroom) were
Ellen's characters and the interesting characters were Misty's...

Zha'hai'allav'a!
                                                                  
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Date: 07 Mar 96 23:56:13 EST
From: "Jake (Rynath *OIB*)" <102744.2515-+AT+-compuserve.com>
To: M-L mailing list <mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Kerowyn
Message-ID: <960308045612_102744.2515_GHT37-5-+AT+-CompuServe.COM>

Morticia wrote about my defense of my liking Kerowyn:

>Yes, *because* she's an aggressive female.  Lots of guys (*lots* of guys)
>have problems with women who are smarter, more aggressive, more
>successful, etc., than they are.  Believe me, I *know* (and did I mention
>more modest? <grin>  You'll never see me write IMHO because I'm not
>*ever* the H part!)

Problems?  What problems?  The only problem I see is what Stormcloud said about
being broken in half. :)

>There's something fundamentally *wrong* when people see your best
>assets and achievements as your worst flaws.

You can say that again... 

>Luckily, there are folks like you (and my boyfriend, and
>others--wotsisname in Velgarth, Kero's man, not important really)
>who will be the exceptions to that depressing thought.  Thanks.

I try to be the exception to the rule everywhere I go.  

I have to say that "Kerowyn's Ride" is becoming a cooler and cooler song the
more and more I listen to it.  It helps that Kerowyn's voice is by... Heather
Alexander!!!!! My favorite Misty character and my favorite voice (if there *is*
such a thing).

*********** Meanwhile, on the other side of the galaxy... ******************

In a different message, Lady Jaguar wrote:

.On Thu, 7 Mar 1996, Jake (Rynath *OIB*) wrote:
..
.> I like her best out of all the (Velgarath series) main women... Elspeth is
.> bratty, Tarma is SwordSworn, Savil was old, Talia was... well, Talia (and I
.> didn't like her picture)... Nyara was a cat.... (I know I'm forgetting some
but
.	  		    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
.	Hey! I resemble that remark! ;>

What can I say?  Lusting after Nyara just seems too close to bestiality for
me...

.> 
.> Outside of Velgarath, I'd have to say two words. DI TREGARDE <pant pant>!!!!!
<-
.> 5! (sorry again)
.> 
.	Harumph. (in retaliation): ANDRE LeBREL!!!!! <pant pant> 

Dont "Harumph" me, my lady.   I just don't find men attractive.  

So us who like women and not men will settle for Di, those who like men and not
women can settle for Andre, and those who like men and like women can settle for
both.  And those who like neither women nor men but animals can settle for
Nyara, and those who like men and women and animals can settle for all three,
and those who like...

<edited for length purposes>

... can like Di and Andre and Nyara and Altra and Shar and Yfandes and Trev'yan
and Nichnatnthnal (whatever).  And those who like nothing can settle for
themselves.  Whew.  That covers EVERYONE! 

<Donning ring of flame resistance, just in case...>


Zha'hai'allav'a!
                                                                  
======================== Rynath (OIB) / Jake =====================
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  it thoroughly serviced every fortnight." -- Zaphod Beeblebrox
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Date: 07 Mar 96 23:55:59 EST
From: "Jake (Rynath *OIB*)" <102744.2515-+AT+-compuserve.com>
To: M-L mailing list <mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk>
Subject: Sword and Sorceress Short Story Stuff! 
Message-ID: <960308045559_102744.2515_GHT37-1-+AT+-CompuServe.COM>

NOXCAT wrote:

.Ok, question...which Sword and Sorceress is it that is being looked for but
.can't be found because it's out-of-print? See, there are several really
.great used book stores here in Austin, and while I'm NOT promising anything,
.if I happen to see a copy, I have no problem w/ picking it up. However, I
.need to know which one it is first...

It's Sword and Sorceress III with the first Tarma and Kethry story (the prologue
to _The Oathbound_)


In another message, MURANOG wrote about Talia's becoming a sunpriest:

.AFAIK, it certainly didn't happen during the Winds trilogy, nor is it 
.actually shown as happening during the Storms trilogy...if Misty's
.actually written a proper account of it, it must be a short story
.somewhere...have you checked all MZB's Sword & Sorceress books?

(Oriole: AFAIK=As Far As I Know) 

All of Misty's short stories in Sword & Sorceress are about Tarma and Kethry,
not Talia.  Maybe it's something that just happened *inbetween* trilogies, and
isn't written.  Like the songs about Vanyel that aren't narrated in prose (like
"Shadowstalker"), perhaps it's just something Misty hasn't written a story
about...

Zha'hai'allav'a!
                                                                  
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Date: 07 Mar 96 23:56:09 EST
From: "Jake (Rynath *OIB*)" <102744.2515-+AT+-compuserve.com>
To: M-L mailing list <mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Hunky Immortals
Message-ID: <960308045608_102744.2515_GHT37-4-+AT+-CompuServe.COM>

Stormcloud wrote:
.Adrienne wrote:
.> On Wed, 6 Mar 1996, Jake (Rynath *OIB*) wrote:
.> 
.> > What *I* want to know is who would you guys go for?  I've got a toss up
.> > inbetween Kerowyn and (young) Kethry, but that's just me...  
.> > 
.> I'm not a guy but I don't see why you'd want to pick just one, m'self... 
.> Although, if forced to choose, I'd go for Kethry.  Kero is just a little 
.> too ... physical for my tastes.  I'd worry she'd nightmare while I was in 
.> bed and snap me in half by accident.
..
.Forget about a nightmare-- there's another time to be afraid she'll 
.snap you in half! :b

<LOL>

Yes indeedy there would be.  And what a glorious way to go... 

	"Kerowyn, Kerowyn, where are you going?
	Dressed in men's clothing, a sword by your side...
	Your face pale as death, and your eyes full of fury
	Kerowyn, Kerowyn, who do you ride..."

Please resist the impulse to post the rest of the lyrics to this song.

Zha'hai'allav'a!
                                                                  
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Date: 07 Mar 96 23:56:04 EST
From: "Jake (Rynath *OIB*)" <102744.2515-+AT+-compuserve.com>
To: M-L mailing list <mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk>
Subject: RE: Misty co authors
Message-ID: <960308045603_102744.2515_GHT37-2-+AT+-CompuServe.COM>

Morticia wrote: 

.They have a Darkover fan club sort of thing--Friends of Darkover, I
.believe it's called.

Whilst we are on the subject of Darkover: 

It seems *every* so-called fantasy novel I've picked up lately ties in
sci-fi/real life and high fantasy.  The Darkover book with Misty.  Gael
Baudino's Shroud of Shadow.  Terry Brooks' Landover stuff.  Barbara Hambly's
trilogy with the "Dog Wizard" book in it.  Why?  Why is there such an obsession
with tying fantasy in with real life?  

I mean an urban fantasy is one thing.  And a high fantasy is another.  And
science fiction is another thing.  It just reminds me of (ugh) Christopher
Stasheff's books.  It seems like the author just can't make up his/her mind
whether he/she wants to write one or the other or the other.

OBMISTY: I don't know about Eagle and Nightingales yet.. I *still* am waiting
for it (and Tiger Burning Bright!) from the Science Fiction Book Club...

Zha'hai'allav'a!
                                                                  
======================== Rynath (OIB) / Jake =====================
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                      that's what made them so *tough* to chew..."
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Date: 07 Mar 96 23:56:16 EST
From: "Jake (Rynath *OIB*)" <102744.2515-+AT+-compuserve.com>
To: M-L mailing list <mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk>
Subject: RE: Copyright ethics and other fun stuff
Message-ID: <960308045615_102744.2515_GHT37-6-+AT+-CompuServe.COM>

MARKUS wrote:

.>And for what it's worth, it's definitely not legal in Australia, England
.>or the US; and almost certainly not in most 1st world countries (because
.>of the international copyright accords).
..
.FWIW, the legal situation in Germany might be different. Last time I
.checked ( a few years ago), it was legal to make copies of everything
.you rented for money *for private use*. In particular, copying books,
.(video tapes, CDs) you rented from a library (video, CD rental) for
.private use were okay.
..

Yes, but once you send the stuff over international lines then the rules of the
destination country apply.  Although now that I look at it, private use doesn't
cover the sending of copies to other people, I think...

FOR FREE BARD ORIOLE: FWIW = From what I remember
(AND IIRC = If I remember correctly)

Zha'hai'allav'a!
                                                                  
======================== Rynath (OIB) / Jake =====================
    "There is nothing wrong with my sense of reality.  I have 
  it thoroughly serviced every fortnight." -- Zaphod Beeblebrox
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Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 00:20:07 +0000 (GMT)
From: Tensen <tensen-+AT+-crow.cybercomm.net>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Pre- Vows and Honors
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.91.960308001904.26161C-100000-+AT+-crow.cybercomm.net>



On Wed, 6 Mar 1996, Rozanna McNeer wrote:

> 
>     If you can get someone to pass you the ISBN number, you can 
> probably order it at your local bookstore (any book, for that matter)
> Thus speaks (speaketh, spake?) the Librarian (what a fun job - NOT- 
> because this is a Business Library. Tom Peters, anyone?)
> 
>     Lady Rozanna IV
> 

Its a fun job..  especially if you can get the same kind of discounts I 
get when I order from my library.....Staff accounts..  seem to be almost 
as good as paychecks..  well considering how small my paycheck tends to 
be..  even better <grin>


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Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 02:25:39 -0500
From: dbush-+AT+-usa.pipeline.com (dbush)
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Talia?
Message-ID: <9603080725.AA11835-+AT+-pipe5>

> Does anybody recall when/where Talia was "promoted" to a 
> Sun-Priestress of Vkandis? It's mentioned (in passing) in the first 
> pages of Storms of Fury. Did I somehow miss a book or short story? 
 
 
 
I don't think Misty has actually written this story down in any
publication.  However it is mentioned in "Winds of Change", Elspeth hears
of it from Gwena via Rolan.  
______________________________________________________ 
                May the wind under your wings bear you                     
                 where the sun sails and the moon walks. 
______________________________________________________ 
                                    Dean 
 
 

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Date: Fri, 08 Mar 1996 06:38:39 GMT
From: Markus Weber <maildrop-+AT+-kinky.demon.co.uk>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Nother Newbie
Message-ID: <313fd514.214322168-+AT+-doorstop>

On Fri, 8 Mar 1996 02:59:51 GMT, you wrote:

[...]
>I wouldn't.  Much as I love Anne McCaffrey, have you any of her latest 
>stuff?  Both of the new ones I've read have been really bad.  The Dolphin 
>Bell was horrible, and I didn't even finish Power Lines.  I don't know 
>what happened to her, but I hope she snaps out of it soon.

I'll second that... I could finish her Pern books only, and even they
were ruined for me ever since Anne began dabbling in technology. I
hope Misty stays clear of technology *casting a wary eye at Natoli*

Cheers
-Markus
---
Markus Weber
hubby-+AT+-kinky.demon.co.uk         101530.10-+AT+-compuserve.com
PGP key available: send email to "hubby-pgp-+AT+-kinky.demon.co.uk"
Prune juice. A warrior's drink.

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Date:          Fri, 8 Mar 1996 09:40:41 GMT
From: STOKES J <95662014-+AT+-mmu.ac.uk>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Talia?
Message-ID: <1F899CC4D42-+AT+-EXCALIBUR.MMU.AC.UK>

>Date:          Thu, 7 Mar 1996 14:32:09 GMT
>From:          maildrop-+AT+-kinky.demon.co.uk (Markus Weber)

>Does anybody recall when/where Talia was "promoted" to a
>Sun-Priestress of Vkandis? It's mentioned (in passing) in the first
>pages of Storms of Fury. Did I somehow miss a book or short story?

>Cheers
>-Markus

I think she was made a SunPriest during the negotiations 
with Karse as a kind of sealing of the peace[can't remember which
book] you never get to see it happening it is just mentioned a 
couple of times.

I see you shiver with antici...pation

Lord Jason[OIB]

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