MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 404 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Brad Pitttttt? Bleeech! by Adrienne York 2) ADMIN: archives by mel (Melanie Dymond Harper) 3) Who would I live with? by AliFarr-+AT+-aol.com 4) Help! by Soljan-+AT+-aol.com 5) Re: Griffin(was-Why Wings?) by Soljan-+AT+-aol.com 6) Re: YKYBRTMMLW.. by Soljan-+AT+-aol.com 7) Re: People we'd like to meet by Sandra K Haas 8) Re: Kerowyn by mrtmh-+AT+-primenet.com (puppies and dragons) 9) Re: Coconut fight? by JR9332-+AT+-cub.uca.edu 10) Re: Coconut fight? by Soljan-+AT+-aol.com 11) by Soljan-+AT+-aol.com 12) Re: Misty's collaborations by Soljan-+AT+-aol.com 13) Re: Nother Newbie by mrtmh-+AT+-primenet.com (puppies and dragons) 14) Re: Yet Another Newbie by mrtmh-+AT+-primenet.com (puppies and dragons) 15) Re: Kerowyn (was RE: Hunks) by Rosario Holsen-Baker 16) Re: Hunky immortals / Alberich Story. by Rosario Holsen-Baker 17) Re: Hunks by Rosario Holsen-Baker 18) Re: Brad Pitttttt? Bleeech! by Rosario Holsen-Baker 19) Using Mercedes Lackey IRL by "Jake (Rynath *OIB*)" <102744.2515-+AT+-compuserve.com> 20) Re: Acronyms by "Jake (Rynath *OIB*)" <102744.2515-+AT+-compuserve.com> 21) RE: Misty Co Authors by "Jake (Rynath *OIB*)" <102744.2515-+AT+-compuserve.com> 22) Re: Nother Newbie by "Jake (Rynath *OIB*)" <102744.2515-+AT+-compuserve.com> 23) Re: CATS was Nother Newbie by Ian Macdonald 24) Re: Help! by mrtmh-+AT+-primenet.com (puppies and dragons) 25) Re: Companions + nodes by Ian Macdonald 26) Re: Nother Newbie by Tensen ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 15:35:49 -0500 (EST) From: Adrienne York To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Brad Pitttttt? Bleeech! Message-ID: On Fri, 8 Mar 1996, Tammy Harris wrote: > On Thurs, Mar 7, Rynath wrote: > > > Studio executives cast a big action hero as Vanyel. I mean, like Jean Claude > > Van Damme. Play along with me before you flame. This way, all the people who > > like action films will go see it because it has Van Damme, and all the > > Misty/Fantasy fans will see it just to see how *bad* it is. :) Now, you may > > not like it, but it works! > > Aaaaaaaaahh! God, no! Anything but that! I'd settle for Micheal > Praed, and I don't even know what he looks like!! Hopefully, Misty > would retain some control over casting, even if just veto-power. i have to agree with tammy. couldn't we get that kid from the crying game, at least for young vanyel? > > > And the pressing question out of all of this is... WHO WOULD PLAY KEROWYN? > > Even more pressing--who would Harrison Ford play?? > alberich, alberich, alberich, and alberich! _____________________________________________________________________________ L'enfant terrible ayork-+AT+-simons-rock.edu Grand Destinies lead to Grand Funerals. -Mercedes Lackey ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 20:51:00 GMT From: mel (Melanie Dymond Harper) To: mercedes-lackey Subject: ADMIN: archives Message-ID: <9603082051.AA26055-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk> Anyone who's tried to access the archives in the last couple of weeks won't have been able to get at any files dated before about February 27th; the crash which took the list down for a couple of days also managed to eat part of the index to the list's archives. It should now be fixed. Thanks to Roger Dahl for letting me know about the problem; any queries to me. Cheers Mel. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 15:55:45 -0500 From: AliFarr-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Who would I live with? Message-ID: <960308155545_345278926-+AT+-emout04.mail.aol.com> Heyla all! I only get to post every week or two - after catching up with all the digests. I have to second whomever said "The Ship Who Searched" collaboration with Misty and Anne McCaffrey was worth reading. After the Ship Who Sang, this is definitely (IMHO) the best "Ship" book. Which BTTW, Anne McCaffrey has been dabbling in technology for years; Pern seemed like an aberration in her "Federated Sentient Planet" universe, until she tied it back in to FSP in her later works. Who would I like to meet.... I can't think of a "good guy" Misty character that I wouldn't like to meet. They are all such real people that I would like to find a table at the Compass Rose and Chat for hours on end. Now live with... I surprised myself when I whittled this list down to ....Elspeth and Darkwind. I like the mature Elspeth - course I would have whacked Skif too for his behavior in the first Winds book. She is irritating sometimes, because we often see her privately whining about all her duties and responsibilities. Having someone whine at you frequently is not pleasant, but remember we see her doing this privately. When I think of how often I whine to my self about how overworked, underpaid (and I own the company!) and unappreciated I am, I find Elspeth pretty realistic about wishing she was "normal", or that it would all just go away for awhile. Having somewhat relinquished the burden (of eventual Queenship that she knew in her heart she was not suited to be)in Storms, and supported by Darkwind who loves her for herself, she mellows out into an interesting person. Not necessarily a nice person, but one I would enjoy being around. My $.02 for the month! except that I have to add... Rynath Said... >I fail to see the big huge drooling that goes along with Brad Pitt. Being a SSG >(that's Single Straight Guy) I just don't know *what* it is about the Pittster >that makes many women's legs Hey, I'm straight and female and I don't get it either. (There's no accounting for taste....) >It seems *every* so-called fantasy novel I've picked up lately ties in >sci-fi/real life and high fantasy. The Darkover book with Misty. Gael... >From the stories I've been submitting to editors lately and getting back comments like, Great Story, but its _______ (Fill in the blank with High, Urban, Dark, Fantasyu or SF) and I don' t buy ________ (fill in the blank again!!!!!) authours are probably throwing in a little of everything so it fits some editor's idea of their market! AliFarr the sigless again ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 16:10:45 -0500 From: Soljan-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Help! Message-ID: <960308161043_441485841-+AT+-mail06.mail.aol.com> There are several abbreviations in letters and I don't know what they mean. Some are IIRC and IMO. What do they mean? Silvermoon :-) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 16:10:46 -0500 From: Soljan-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Griffin(was-Why Wings?) Message-ID: <960308161039_441485880-+AT+-emout07.mail.aol.com> In a message dated 96-03-07 08:54:50 EST, you write: >> I liked Griffin a lot also. I kinda wish he showed up more in the later >> books. I thought that he would have showed up later and show us what his >> fire starting was good for. Oh, well. >> >> Soljan :-) >> > He did, remember in the battle with the icky nasty demons, that >went *poof* into piles of smoke by Griffin? That was about it though, I >really liked Griffin as well, I wish he would have been more of a min >character. He had such potential to be, because it was an abnornal gift. > > Lady Becky Oops! There goes my forgetful mind again. I'm the one who forgot who Charliss was AND who Tremane was. (Please spare my life! I promise I'll remember something!) I REALLY have to re-read the Winds books. My sister owns them. Now to find time... Silvermoon the Memoryless :-) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 16:10:48 -0500 From: Soljan-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: YKYBRTMMLW.. Message-ID: <960308161046_441485863-+AT+-emout05.mail.aol.com> >8) You think angry thoughts at someone. >12) You use Tayledras or Shin'a'in words in normal conversation and >people look at you wondering what you are talking about. Or else you have >to consciously refrain from saying them when they are the first thing >that comes to mind. >18) You keep trying to mindspeak people, thinking that if Misty says so, >it must be true. >22) You establish a Vale in your back yard, fill it with tropical plants >then wonder why they're all dead by mid-December. These are the ones *I* qualify for. If I'm mad I _always_ think angry thoughts at them. So watch out! Sometimes it works... I constantly use Heyla and Zhai'helleva along with some other words. My sister and I can sorta Mindspeak. Now words (yet). One of us will think of a number and the other one knows what it is. I'm better at "hearing" them. Okay, I don't have a Vale, but my bedroom is filled with plants. I have three tropical ones in a fish tank. They haven't died. (yet!) Silvermoon (was Soljan) :-) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 17:06:24 -0500 (EST) From: Sandra K Haas To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: People we'd like to meet Message-ID: On Fri, 8 Mar 1996, Tammy Harris wrot> > Rynath wrote: > > Rozie McN wrote: > > > > . If you had a choice of three people you could live with > > .from any of Misty's books, who would they be and why? (Doesn't that > > .sound like a question from an English exam! ugh. Sorry. Duck flames > > .from fellow over-stressed students). Ladies, stop drooling over the > > .keyboard. *Live* with, not have a *fling* with. Same goes for you > > .gentlemen! Or which series you would like to live in. > > > > Hokay, I'll bite. > > Consider yourself bitten! : ) Hey, that hurt, well, not a lot, I mean, it kinda felt good!! Do it again will you please?? I personally wouldn't mind meeting OR be uncomfortable living with Keren, Sherrill and or Ylsa. It would be like old home week (2 of my 3 sisters are what was that word?? You know--gay!! I would drool over Skiff. :} come here pretty boy, I have some pockets to pick!! ok, its getting pretty bad, I'll stop!! See ya'll on Monday! Sandy, Queen of the Universe ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 16:04:57 -0700 (MST) From: mrtmh-+AT+-primenet.com (puppies and dragons) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Kerowyn Message-ID: <199603082304.QAA29487-+AT+-usr2.primenet.com> > >So us who like women and not men will settle for Di, those who like men and not >women can settle for Andre, and those who like men and like women can settle for >both. And those who like neither women nor men but animals can settle for >Nyara, and those who like men and women and animals can settle for all three, >and those who like... > > > >.. can like Di and Andre and Nyara and Altra and Shar and Yfandes and Trev'yan >and Nichnatnthnal (whatever). And those who like nothing can settle for >themselves. Whew. That covers EVERYONE! > > > > >Zha'hai'allav'a! > Rynath Do you suppose this is how the song "Mis-Conceptions" got started? And does this mean we're going to have a Herald's Revel? (Read orgy...) Hey! You forgot those people who like Companions! Speaking of which... Where does virgin wool come from? Sheep that can run faster than the Scotsman... (That joke went over really well with all the guys in kilts from my SCA group:) Lady 'Reesa (Who warned EVERYONE that she had a dirty mind...) ****************************************************************************** "True...if Valerie hadn't saved me I'd have been cut in half...and half of an assassin is just an ass." Sam, from "Villians By Necessity" by Eve Forward "Everything important about males and females is exactly the same...except guys are idiots." From "NeverNever" by Will Shetterly ******************************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 18:26:09 CST From: JR9332-+AT+-cub.uca.edu To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Coconut fight? Message-ID: > Date sent: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 03:09:23 GMT > Send reply to: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk > From: Elisa Shapiro > To: jr9332-+AT+-cub.uca.edu > Subject: Re: Coconut fight? > On Thu, 7 Mar 1996 Raingcats-+AT+-aol.com wrote: > > > >Okay, this has nothing to do with ML, but with MontyPython. > > > > > > > > Excuse me, but who (or what) is MontyPython? Everybody seems to know but > > me!!!!!!!! Sorry, you will have to forgive my occasionally > > ignorant questions! > > > > Zhai'helleva! > > > > Lady Moonsong > > An Honorable Lady In Green > > Raingcats-+AT+-aol.com > > Monty Python was a British sketch comedy show (and several movies) in the > seventies. They did spoofs on everything from the Search for the Holy > Grail (which is where all this coconut stuff comes from) to the Life of > Christ (Always look on the bright side of life). These guys make > Saturday Night Live look worse than it really is. For transcripts of > some of their skits and other stuff check out Doc Rain's site off my > homepage. > > - Elisa > http://mmm.mbhs.edu/~eshapiro > > i am a work in progress > dressed in the fabric of a world unfolding > - ani difranco > I believe that should be The Quest for the Holy Grail and the Life of Brian (Brian being the guy who was born in the barn next door to Christ). -Schrodinger's Cat ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 19:10:41 -0500 From: Soljan-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Coconut fight? Message-ID: <960308191040_345480009-+AT+-emout09.mail.aol.com> >> Excuse me, but who (or what) is MontyPython? Everybody seems to know but >> me!!!!!!!! >You don't want to know, really, I promise! >-I like traffic lights, >I like traffic lights, >I like traffic lights, >but only when they're green... > >That is an example of one of their innocent songs.... >And their songs ALWAYS get stuck in a person's head. >-Free Bard Oriole Yes they do! I have the word to the Camelot song! ('Camelot!' 'Camelot!' 'Camelot!" "It's only a model." "Shhh!") We're knight of the round table, we dance when e'er able, we do routines and chorus scenes with foot work impecable. We dine well here in Camelot we eat ham and jam and Spam-a-lot. " I never wanted to be a barber anyway. I wanted to be....a lumberjack!" (This song is _not_ so innocent _cough!_) Oh, he's a lumber jack and he's ok, he sleeps all night, he works all day. After that it's not appropriate. Silvermoon :-) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 19:09:22 -0500 From: Soljan-+AT+-aol.com Message-ID: <199603090009.TAA01556-+AT+-emout05.mail.aol.com> >The Xanth series, which in the beginning I adored, has now turned >into a :write basic plot, change nouns and voila new story". I'm a Piers fan and I wan to read IIPTNIG just to see what it's like. I agree with you on Xanth. It's getting really confusing lately with "remember what happen in..." and ALL the children of main character becoming characters and such. Plus I read them so fast I forget what happened, which makes those "remember when"s really difficult. Silvermoon :-) ______________________________________________________________________- "I never wanted to be a barber anyway. I wanted to be...a lumberjack!" Monty Python ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 19:09:21 -0500 From: Soljan-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Misty's collaborations Message-ID: <960308190921_345480045-+AT+-mail04.mail.aol.com> Jake wrote: >I haven't been disappointed with any of Misty's books yet, except White >Gryphon. Why were you dissappointed with WG? It was a bit short, but I thought it was good. Silvermoon :-) ____________________________________________________________- "I never wanted to be a barber anyway .I wanted to be...a lumberjack." The Lumberjack song, Monty Python ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 17:47:05 -0700 (MST) From: mrtmh-+AT+-primenet.com (puppies and dragons) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Nother Newbie Message-ID: <199603090047.RAA17548-+AT+-usr4.primenet.com> >Ken > >ObMisty: Does anyone here know if Misty actually has any cats? Has it >ever shown up in a bio? Her characterization of Astra reads like the >cute ideas of someone who has never really watched a cat for a long time. > Two dogs, a ton and a half of birds (Large and Small), no cats. (From her interveiw in QO (Queen's Own, Bard Oriale ) And, yes, though I ADORE Altra, he was definitely the product of somebody who doesn't own one of the little Buchanan's (I do mean that with love!) (And I can get into this swearing with politicians names...) He didn't have many annoying habits like sleeping on Karals books while he was trying to read them, or waking him up at odd hours by lying over his nose... 20 pounds of Maine Coon Cat (LOOOOOONG fur...) is not something that can be properly appreciated at 3:30 am... Just my $0.02 worth, Lady 'Reesa ****************************************************************************** "True...if Valerie hadn't saved me I'd have been cut in half...and half of an assassin is just an ass." Sam, from "Villians By Necessity" by Eve Forward "Everything important about males and females is exactly the same...except guys are idiots." From "NeverNever" by Will Shetterly ****************************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 18:03:10 -0700 (MST) From: mrtmh-+AT+-primenet.com (puppies and dragons) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Yet Another Newbie Message-ID: <199603090103.SAA20868-+AT+-usr4.primenet.com> I particularly love RF >and Janny Wurtz collaboration for the Tsurunuanni novels. For those of >you who like epic adventure and oriental culture, yougotta read them. >they are "Daughter", "Servant", and "Mistress" "of the Empire." > >Kenneth Allen Hyde | No matter how subtle the wizard, a knife >Univ. of Delaware | between the shoulder blades will seriously >Dept. of Linguistics | cramp his style -- Old Jhereg proverb >kenny-+AT+-strauss.udel.edu | A mind is a terrible toy to waste! -- Me > > As long as we're handing out Janny Wurts recomendations, if you like her you HAVE to read "Curse of the Mistwraith" and it's sequel "The Ships of Merior". Ooooh, Arithon closely rivals Van on my list of favorite male characters. I thought Lysaer was a bit of a shmuck...but forget him... Best of all (for us females anyway!) Arithon isn't shaych!!!!!<--look five! Now I only have to overcome fictional. (He's not dead or Australian either!) Anyway, go read it. I managed to leave my copy of CotM at my Gramma's house...stupidity follows me like a dog... Lady 'Reesa ****************************************************************************** "True...if Valerie hadn't saved me I'd have been cut in half...and half of an assassin is just an ass." Sam, from "Villians By Necessity" by Eve Forward "Everything important about males and females is exactly the same...except guys are idiots." From "NeverNever" by Will Shetterly ****************************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 20:06:52 -0500 (EST) From: Rosario Holsen-Baker To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Kerowyn (was RE: Hunks) Message-ID: Lord Jason wrote: > > Harumph. (in retaliation): ANDRE LeBREL!!!!! > > Jaguar calm yourself, I know you've Bi-located but you still have > Gyrfalcon and his MIW[ Don't even think it Gyr.] > to defeat yet. Concentrate on that for now and then start thinking of > Andre. > Silly Jason. That was a retaliation gesture, not an actual psychotic episode. And I already have plans for the MIW that can handle themselves without me. *****LADY JAGUAR***** Leader of the Cat People Lady in Green LGMCB, DHTBB "The mice may have the right but the cat has the claws." ********************* ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 20:09:36 -0500 (EST) From: Rosario Holsen-Baker To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Hunky immortals / Alberich Story. Message-ID: On Fri, 8 Mar 1996, Marissa K Lingen wrote: > Whoa. Who said most big countries have counterparts in Velgarth? What > do you think Valdemar's counterpart is? I honestly don't see huge > parallels...maybe I'm wrong here. Some authors (Piers Anthony Bio of a > Space Tyrant case in point) beat you over the head with it: THIS COUNTRY > REPRESENTS ENGLAND AND THIS ONE IS JAPAN AND...but Misty doesn't do that. > IMnever-HO. > --Morticia > "Hey, I said if! *IF!*" Seriously, it's something that got briefly discussed here once, that I vaguely remembered. Hey, I had to have an ObMisty! That was the only thing I could think of! And if you want another Piers Anthony one, how about Xanth/Florida? *****LADY JAGUAR***** Leader of the Cat People Lady in Green LGMCB, DHTBB "The mice may have the right but the cat has the claws." ********************* ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 20:17:16 -0500 (EST) From: Rosario Holsen-Baker To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Hunks Message-ID: On Fri, 8 Mar 1996, CHONNI wrote: > On Wed, 6 Mar 1996, Marissa K Lingen wrote: > > Okay, write me down as officially clueless. I hate Brad Pitt. I don't > > know why women find him attractive (or men, for that matter, if they do). > > If anyone was casting *any* of Misty's books and tried to cast Brad Pitt, > > I would have to pound that individual into tiny little pieces and make > > haggis of him/her. (ewww...and I'm not even Scottish!) > Yea!!! Someone else who thinks Brad Pitt is "less than adorable". Still, > I could imagine him as say... Mornelithe? > Puh-lease and a half. :) Brad Pitt's not mean enough to be Mornelithe. If he were anyone, I suppose he could make a decent Skif. Maybe. Or maybe Griffon, or one of the other people we don't see much of. Still, I'd have to agree with Marissa on making him *anyone* in Misty's universe. Although I don't hate him enough to go so far as to make haggis out of the person who suggests him. (whew! What a sentence!) *****LADY JAGUAR***** Leader of the Cat People Lady in Green LGMCB, DHTBB "The mice may have the right but the cat has the claws." ********************* ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 20:24:37 -0500 (EST) From: Rosario Holsen-Baker To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Brad Pitttttt? Bleeech! Message-ID: On Sat, 9 Mar 1996, Adrienne York wrote: > On Fri, 8 Mar 1996, Tammy Harris wrote: > > > > > And the pressing question out of all of this is... WHO WOULD PLAY KEROWYN? > > > > Even more pressing--who would Harrison Ford play?? > > > alberich, alberich, alberich, and alberich! > No, no, no and no! Rutger Hauer gets to be Alberich! Harrison Ford can be........ummmmm........Jaysen? Anyway, he's not mean enough for Alberich. But if Van Damme got cast, I'd have to go mad or kill something. Probably go mad. After all...how *would* I get the blood out of my Whites? :) *****LADY JAGUAR***** Leader of the Cat People Lady in Green LGMCB, DHTBB "The mice may have the right but the cat has the claws." ********************* ------------------------------ Date: 08 Mar 96 20:56:48 EST From: "Jake (Rynath *OIB*)" <102744.2515-+AT+-compuserve.com> To: M-L mailing list Subject: Using Mercedes Lackey IRL Message-ID: <960309015647_102744.2515_GHT106-1-+AT+-CompuServe.COM> Okay. I was talking about this with Stormcloud, and I think I should post this here. The scene: Ithaca, New York, at the New York State Forensics (that's Speech and Debate Forensics, not Quincy M.D. Forensics) Championship. The Topic: Impromptu speaking, where one has seven minutes to prepare and deliver a speech about a quotation drawn mere moments before the time starts. The Quote: Something along the lines of "It takes love to halve a potato correctly." Yes, a stupid quote indeed, but it turned into a piece on human emotions Making the ObMisty: TALIA! I used Talia's scene in the Queen's Own trilogy where she's in the way station with Kris and Co. about how human emotions can literally get in the way of things as my main point. AND The decision: Score of 90 out of 100. The judge never heard of Misty, though. She spelled Talia with two L's!! ME: "Talia has one L!!" (looking at scoresheet) MY COACH: "Who's this Talia person anyway? And who's Mercedes Lackey?" Aftermath: Didn't break finals at the State Championships, as the speech I did during round II on Vanyel didn't go over as well. Zha'hai'allav'a! ======================== Rynath (OIB) / Jake ===================== "There is nothing wrong with my sense of reality. I have it thoroughly serviced every fortnight." -- Zaphod Beeblebrox ======================102744.2515-+AT+-compuserve.com ================= ------------------------------ Date: 08 Mar 96 20:56:51 EST From: "Jake (Rynath *OIB*)" <102744.2515-+AT+-compuserve.com> To: M-L mailing list Subject: Re: Acronyms Message-ID: <960309015651_102744.2515_GHT106-2-+AT+-CompuServe.COM> Tammy Harris wrote: .On Fri, Mar 8, Rynath wrote: .. . .> FOR FREE BARD ORIOLE: FWIW = From what I remember .> (AND IIRC = If I remember correctly) .. .Oh, Ryyyynaaaath, .. .FWIW = for what it's worth .(obviously, you don't RC!) : ) I Read Correctly. I just dont TWIP (Think Whilst I Type). I CBIMTO (Can't Believe I Missed That One), but there's an excuse... I UTIAMWT (Use the Internet At Midnight Whilst Tired). ObMisty: Misty doesn't use LOSA (Lots O' Stupid Acronyms) in her novels. Zha'hai'allav'a! ======================== Rynath (OIB) / Jake ===================== "TINWWMSOR. IHITSEF." -- ZB ======================102744.2515-+AT+-compuserve.com ================= ------------------------------ Date: 08 Mar 96 20:57:00 EST From: "Jake (Rynath *OIB*)" <102744.2515-+AT+-compuserve.com> To: M-L mailing list Subject: RE: Misty Co Authors Message-ID: <960309015659_102744.2515_GHT106-5-+AT+-CompuServe.COM> Morticia wrote on the subject of speculative fiction: >Okay, so what makes the combination so inherently the fruits of the >Devil? Personally, I consider what I read (and what I write) to be >Speculative Fiction. Me too. >If it's a bad book, it's a bad book, but it's >not the combination of SF/urban fantasy/high fantasy that makes it >bad. I mean, granted, it takes a better author to combine genres and >do it *successfully* than it does to just have *one* set of rules, >but good authors can do it. Yu're right in saying speculative fiction (a more accurate term). But spec fic encompasses all stories that take place in a setting contrary to known reality, whether it be _Magic's Price_ or _1984._ Even _The Bible_ and _Paradise Lost_ can fall into this category, since they ... (please wait whilst I don my TSR (TM) patented ring of fire resistance) ... contradict known laws of nature according to some people. Even _Bambi_ is spec fic, since it has talking animals! It just seems that a goodly number of mixed modern/fantasy books are coming out, and fewer good high fantasy books seem to be coming out. Does every high fantasy author have to write a combined genre book? I'm not a purist, mind you... it's just that the stark back-and-forth science/irl and fantasy books (like _Shroud of Shadow_ by Gael Baudino or _Wizard in Mind_ by Christopher Stasheff) really aren't my cup of grog. Reading some of these books is like flipping back between "Babylon 5" and "Covington Cross" on two VCR's. Some publishers just think they can throw any old stuff together, put a wizard in it, and call it "urban fantasy" or "fantasy." (_The Printer's Devil_ by Chico Kidd; _The Wizard of 4th Street_ by Simon Hawke) It's like all the books that came out in the (I hate this term) cyberpunk genre a few years ago. People put an alternate spelling in a book and say they're kewl and syber (_Virtual Death_ by Shale Aaron.) Please!! This is what I'm complaining about. The influx. Not the mixture of technology and fantasy in a novel. I mean, the fantasy part of _Shroud of Shadow_ was set in the time of the Spanish Inquisition (which nobody really expected) and the fantasy part of the novel was good. The modern parts, however, were like commercials. Bad commercials. >That's why some really good books are >hard to classify as either SF or fantasy. There's a reason that they >shelve them together, and it's not just that inept people can't tell >the difference between the best of them! I see no reason why a >well-written, well-plotted book with consistent premises can't >combine science and magic. Well, neither do I. Misty's _Storm_ books have combined technology with fantasy and that worked just fine. *Any* book which is well written is worth reading. I love a good steak. And I love ice cream, too. But I wouldn't go putting ice cream on a steak. In the same vein, I wouldn't combine badly written sci fi and fantasy, either. That *badly* is the difference between having Cherry Garcia ice cream on my steak and A-1 flavored ice cream. [I know, it's a bad allegory.] Zha'hai'allav'a! ======================== Rynath (OIB) / Jake ===================== "There is nothing wrong with my sense of reality. I have it thoroughly serviced every fortnight." -- Zaphod Beeblebrox ======================102744.2515-+AT+-compuserve.com ================= ------------------------------ Date: 08 Mar 96 20:56:56 EST From: "Jake (Rynath *OIB*)" <102744.2515-+AT+-compuserve.com> To: M-L mailing list Subject: Re: Nother Newbie Message-ID: <960309015656_102744.2515_GHT106-4-+AT+-CompuServe.COM> Mortica wrote: >I wouldn't be completely averse to seeing more >technology in Velgarth--if you can have a pre-feudal society, why not >ever an Industrial Revolution of sorts? I'm not proposing that >Havens be torn down to build a strip mall--far from it. I think that >Velgarth could do technology the way it *ought* to be done, because >of the moral aspects of their system of government. I'd like to see >Misty play with the magic/technology interaction. Maybe I'm the only >one who thinks this, but TECHNOLOGY IS NOT EVIL. Kerowyn, Kerowyn, where are you going? Dressed in black kevlar, pistol at your side... With your face pale as death and your eyes full of fury, Kerowyn, Kerowyn, where do you ride? . . . The sky istelf descending upon bare Stony Tor Now hides the awful battle. The watchers see no more. The wizard shouts in triumph--too soon he vents his mirth For Vanyel draws his M-16 and mows him to the earth! I'm sorry. I couldn't resist. Actually (gasp) Mortica.. is.. right. There's another long post by me (RE: Misty Co Authors) that explains this, but it is a natural progression from fantasy. Just as long as we get no examples mentioned above, or worse ones (can we say 'Spelljammer,' anyone??) I don't see this as a problem, either. Zha'hai'allav'a! ======================== Rynath (OIB) / Jake ===================== "Any significantly advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." -- I can't remember who said this. ======================102744.2515-+AT+-compuserve.com ================= ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Mar 1996 02:16:49 +0000 (GMT) From: Ian Macdonald To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: CATS was Nother Newbie Message-ID: On Sat, 9 Mar 1996, The Master of Karma wrote: > ObMisty: Does anyone here know if Misty actually has any cats? Has it > ever shown up in a bio? Her characterization of Astra reads like the > cute ideas of someone who has never really watched a cat for a long time. I belive she does, I can't remember where I read it but it did appear somewhere. Ian < all of a sudden a whisper of sound occurs then the sound of a body hitting a keyboard. "Good thing we had darts", one of the white coated men said to the other as they dragged ian's body from the terminal.> < ism-+AT+-tardis.ed.ac.uk > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 19:20:16 -0700 (MST) From: mrtmh-+AT+-primenet.com (puppies and dragons) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Help! Message-ID: <199603090220.TAA14287-+AT+-usr2.primenet.com> At 01:26 AM 3/9/96 GMT, Soljan-+AT+-aol.com wrote: >There are several abbreviations in letters and I don't know what they mean. > Some are IIRC and IMO. What do they mean? > >Silvermoon :-) > > >DWHTGTTA? (That's "do we have to go through this again?" Followed by a giant grin, 'cause I was lost with the acronyms when I joined the list too.) I'm going to send you the list of them, by private e-mail, so everybody on the list doesn't have to see it again. As I was told when I joined the SCA (Society for Creative Anachronism, so you don't have to ask...) "We were all new at this once!" You learn, and eventually you find yourself sending reasuring messages to newbies (Or explaining to the mundanes who are wandering through your grand court that there is a reason you're dressed like that...) Lady 'Reesa P.S. TLIG- The Ladies In Green- Sorcersses (and Champions) who are allied with the Cat People and The Ones In Black (OIB)> We are collectively saving the Universe from the evil Herald-imposters, The Men In White (TMIW). They do terrible things, like drag people away from their keyboards! Just thought I'd clear those up too! ****************************************************************************** "True...if Valerie hadn't saved me I'd have been cut in half...and half of an assassin is just an ass." Sam, from "Villians By Necessity" by Eve Forward "Everything important about males and females is exactly the same...except guys are idiots." From "NeverNever" by Will Shetterly ****************************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Mar 1996 02:19:54 +0000 (GMT) From: Ian Macdonald To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Companions + nodes Message-ID: On Sat, 9 Mar 1996, The Master of Karma wrote: > Ummm. This is just a comment, but where did the idea spring up that > companions coloration comes from the use of node energy? I think that > the conversation between the Star-Eyed, Roald, and Tarma in Oathbreakers > makes it fairly clear that the companions are colored the way they are by > the design of whatever power created them. Besides, I don't remember any > reference to the companions using node energy at all. Unless this is in > Storm Rising (which I haven't read, and won't until it is in paperback > and affordable). I think it was mentioned in some of the STORM books, with a comment like "that explains why they don't stay dark very long when we dye them" If I remember correctly it was also said that the companions speed was a result of taping magic (whether its nodes or not I can't remember) < all of a sudden a whisper of sound occurs then the sound of a body hitting a keyboard. "Good thing we had darts", one of the white coated men said to the other as they dragged ian's body from the terminal.> < ism-+AT+-tardis.ed.ac.uk > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 22:09:06 +0000 (GMT) From: Tensen To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Nother Newbie Message-ID: On Fri, 8 Mar 1996, Melanie Dymond Harper wrote: > Markus said: > > I'll second that... I could finish her Pern books only, and even they > > were ruined for me ever since Anne began dabbling in technology. I > > hope Misty stays clear of technology *casting a wary eye at Natoli* > > Amen, brother. (To coin a phrase.) The Pern books didn't need technology, and > I never managed to figure out why Anne felt they did. Basically she ruined a > whole universe she'd been building up for twenty years -- silly woman. > > Mel. > Not really... from the tech detail she put into the books from the beginning, it seems to me that was her whole plan.. True it didn't need the magic.. but she probably got tired of having all the neat sketch work sitting around unused in a box or on a computer disk someplace ------------------------------ End of MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 404 *********************************