MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 421

Topics covered in this issue include:

  1) Re: White Gryphon, Tolkien, and Lammas Night
	by mrtmh-+AT+-primenet.com (puppies and dragons)
  2) re: Lendel/Stefan
	by The Mage of Green Silences <kenny-+AT+-UDel.Edu>
  3) Re: Why you shouldn't use acronyms
	by mrtmh-+AT+-primenet.com (puppies and dragons)
  4) Re: Oriental Characters (was Re: Black characters in
	by The Mage of Green Silences <kenny-+AT+-UDel.Edu>
  5) Re: Ehhh...ahh....may I join?
	by The Mage of Green Silences <kenny-+AT+-UDel.Edu>
  6) Re: Stefan
	by Birgit Hanel <bhanel-+AT+-ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de>
  7) Re: misogynistic dinosaurs
	by Marissa K Lingen <mlingen-+AT+-gac.edu>
  8) Castings again
	by Birgit Hanel <bhanel-+AT+-ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de>
  9) Re:Muppets List
	by "Jill" <MORRISJM-+AT+-sbu.edu>
 10) Re: Ehhh...ahh....may I join?
	by Tammy Harris <TAMARAH-+AT+-medicine.dmed.iupui.edu>
 11) Re: Ehhh...ahh....may I join?
	by Mat Timmerman <mtimme47-+AT+-magic.hofstra.edu>
 12) Re: Black characters in fantasy
	by Soljan-+AT+-aol.com
 13) Re: Casting
	by jhedge-+AT+-waterw.com (Jeanne Hedge)
 14) RE: casting the dream Velgath movie
	by SHE WHO THINKS GEORGE COOPER IS THE PERFECT MAN <GEBRIDGES-+AT+-tiny.computing.csbsju.edu>
 15) Ohhhh  Listmistress...
	by mrtmh-+AT+-primenet.com (puppies and dragons)
 16) Re:Casting
	by "Margaret F. Sisk" <msisk-+AT+-knox.edu>
 17) RE: Muppets
	by "Jake (Rynath *OIB*)" <102744.2515-+AT+-compuserve.com>
 18) Re: James Earl Jones (was re: Brad Pittttt...)
	by Adrienne York <ayork-+AT+-simons-rock.edu>
 19) Re: Sean Connery? Bleeech (was Re: Brad Pitttttt? Bleeech!)
	by Becky Anne Christensen <beckyanne-+AT+-iforge.valleynet.com>
 20) Re: Brad Pitttttt? Bleeech!
	by Becky Anne Christensen <beckyanne-+AT+-iforge.valleynet.com>
 21) RE: Out of print - copyright
	by Becky Anne Christensen <beckyanne-+AT+-iforge.valleynet.com>
 22) Re: Baldwins? Bleeeech! 
	by Becky Anne Christensen <beckyanne-+AT+-iforge.valleynet.com>
 23) Re: Baldwins? Bleeeech!
	by Becky Anne Christensen <beckyanne-+AT+-iforge.valleynet.com>
 24) Re: Casting of Trainees
	by Becky Anne Christensen <beckyanne-+AT+-iforge.valleynet.com>
 25) Re: Casting
	by Becky Anne Christensen <beckyanne-+AT+-iforge.valleynet.com>

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Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 09:02:43 -0700 (MST)
From: mrtmh-+AT+-primenet.com (puppies and dragons)
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: White Gryphon, Tolkien, and Lammas Night
Message-ID: <199603151602.JAA28038-+AT+-usr2.primenet.com>


>You're welcome!
><donning flame-resistant suit (aka the asbestos from the wall down in 
>the Proteus office <g>)> I didn't like Tolkien.  Correction: I only 
>liked the Hobbit, and just couldn't get into the rest of his stuff.  
>I know that there are a lot of fantasy fans who feel that Tolkien is 
>a god, etc. and so forth.  I don't feel that I should apologize for my 
>opinions, but I have this eerie feeling I'm going to get jumped on.  
>I respect the man for the ground-breaking work he did in world and 
>language-crafting, but I think Tad Williams is a much better author 
>in the same style.
                               
>Stormcloud                              
><sig  snipping>

        You  have  to  share  that  suit  with  me!  I  couldn't  even  read
the  Hobbit,  much  less  The  Simmarillion,  which  my  father  insists  is
the  best  fantsy  book  ever  written.  (Dad  and  I  disagree  on  a  lot
of  stuff...)  I  think  Tolkein  is  BORING,  and  it  irks  the  Clinton
out  of  me  when  people  compare  Jordan  to  him.  Yes,  the  man  is
long-winded,  but  he's  INTERESTING  and  long-winded,  unlike  Tolkein.
Feel  free  to  disagree  with  me,  but  that's  my  NSHO.

                                Lady  'Reesa

******************************************************************************
    "True...if Valerie hadn't saved me I'd have been cut in half...and half 
of an  assassin is just an ass."  Sam, from "Villians By Necessity" by
Eve Forward
    "Everything important about males and females is exactly the
same...except  guys are idiots." From "NeverNever" by Will Shetterly
******************************************************************************
 


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Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 11:30:53 -0500 (EST)
From: The Mage of Green Silences <kenny-+AT+-UDel.Edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: re: Lendel/Stefan
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.960315112222.21132A-100000-+AT+-copland.udel.edu>

On Fri, 15 Mar 1996 EGLESTON-+AT+-bpl.org wrote:

[Much snippage concerning the emerging pattern of people with unfinished 
business returning to the world of the living to complete it.  Some good 
examples using Van, Savil, Jasen, etc.]

> May not make you feel better about it though! :)

It doesn't, since the case you mention are clearly cases of someone 
coming back as themselves, not of someone usurping or underlying someone 
elses identity.  The whole feeling that I get from the Tylendel/Sefen 
thing is the same feeling that people on Babylon 5 (for those of you who 
watch the show) got when Talia's identity was revealed to be a deep-cover 
disguise and that she had a totally different (evil) identity underlyingly.

If 'Lendel really needed to come back as something, he should have come 
back as a Companion.  The fact that the Death Bell tolled for him, says 
that the Powers that are at work through the Companions considered him to 
be a Herald, even though his madness had forced Gala to repudiate him.

> Cindy

Good arguments, and thanks for trying to make it seem better, but I am 
just opinionated, I guess.


May the seas be your solace and the forests a refuge for your spirit,

Cennydd,

Mage of the Green Silences.

Eu guardo a luz das estrelas
a alma de cada folha
Sem folhas nao tem vida,
Sem folhas nao tem nada,
Salve as folhas!

Kenneth Allen Hyde     |  No matter how subtle the wizard, a knife
Univ. of Delaware      |  between the shoulder blades will seriously
Dept. of Linguistics   |  cramp his style  -- Old Jhereg proverb
kenny-+AT+-strauss.udel.edu |  A mind is a terrible toy to waste! -- Me


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Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 09:32:33 -0700 (MST)
From: mrtmh-+AT+-primenet.com (puppies and dragons)
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Why you shouldn't use acronyms
Message-ID: <199603151632.JAA28506-+AT+-usr4.primenet.com>

 Now look at IIRC. It's antirely
>different. IIRC has an abstract meaning which can't be grasped instantly.
>You need to convert it to something you can understand first.
>
>  -+*#*+- -+*#*+- -+*#*+- -+*#  Roger Dahl - rd-+AT+-redleaf.bbs.no  #*+- 
>      Now Hounds of Love are Hunting
>
>
>
        Look,  I  hate  to  disagree  with  you  Roger,  but  I  joined
this  list the  second  day  that  I  had  Net  acsess,  and  not  only  did
I  understand  most  of  the  acronyms,  I  had  loads  of  fun  figuring
out  the  one's  I  didn't  know.  And  besides,  this  is  a  list  of
people  who  are  perfectly  happy  to  take  a  newbie  aside  and  explain
anything  they  ask  about.  Even over  private  e-mail,  in  deference  to
our  wonderous  listmistress.  Acronyms are  a  useful  shortening  of  a
long  phrase,  and  I  refuse  to  type  out  IIRC.  Just  look  at  all
the  people  who  use  them  on  this  list.  I  think you're  outvoted.

                                   Lady  'Reesa

******************************************************************************
    "True...if Valerie hadn't saved me I'd have been cut in half...and half 
of an  assassin is just an ass."  Sam, from "Villians By Necessity" by
Eve Forward
    "Everything important about males and females is exactly the
same...except  guys are idiots." From "NeverNever" by Will Shetterly
******************************************************************************
 
 



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Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 11:33:47 -0500 (EST)
From: The Mage of Green Silences <kenny-+AT+-UDel.Edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Oriental Characters (was Re: Black characters in
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.960315113217.21132B-100000-+AT+-copland.udel.edu>

On Fri, 15 Mar 1996, Elizabeth W. Bennefeld wrote:

> At 11:31 PM 3/14/1996 GMT, you wrote:
> 
> >Well, McCaffrey's books that have a connection to either the FTT universe 
> >or the FSP universe tend to have a good mix.  And Dragonsdawn had a very 
> >wide spectrum, including those nomadic tribes that evolved into the 
> >trading clans (I think they were Berber, or something N. African).

> I think the trading clans in Dragonsdawn were gypsies.

Nope, I just remembered.  They are Tuareg.  *patting myself on the back 
for a fabu memory. =)*


May the seas be your solace and the forests a refuge for your spirit,

Cennydd,

Mage of the Green Silences.

Eu guardo a luz das estrelas
a alma de cada folha
Sem folhas nao tem vida,
Sem folhas nao tem nada,
Salve as folhas!

Kenneth Allen Hyde     |  No matter how subtle the wizard, a knife
Univ. of Delaware      |  between the shoulder blades will seriously
Dept. of Linguistics   |  cramp his style  -- Old Jhereg proverb
kenny-+AT+-strauss.udel.edu |  A mind is a terrible toy to waste! -- Me


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Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 11:39:54 -0500 (EST)
From: The Mage of Green Silences <kenny-+AT+-UDel.Edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Ehhh...ahh....may I join?
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.960315113806.21132C-100000-+AT+-copland.udel.edu>

On Fri, 15 Mar 1996 JR9332-+AT+-cub.uca.edu wrote:

>      -Schrodinger's Cat


AAaaaaaghhh!  If you are going to steal one of my eponyms, at least spell 
it correctly!  It is spelled "Schroedinger" in English.  

May the seas be your solace and the forests a refuge for your spirit,

Cennydd,

Mage of the Green Silences.

Eu guardo a luz das estrelas
a alma de cada folha
Sem folhas nao tem vida,
Sem folhas nao tem nada,
Salve as folhas!

Kenneth Allen Hyde     |  No matter how subtle the wizard, a knife
Univ. of Delaware      |  between the shoulder blades will seriously
Dept. of Linguistics   |  cramp his style  -- Old Jhereg proverb
kenny-+AT+-strauss.udel.edu |  A mind is a terrible toy to waste! -- Me


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Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 17:52:24 +0100 (CET)
From: Birgit Hanel <bhanel-+AT+-ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Stefan
Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.91.960315173846.84566B-100000-+AT+-aixterm7.urz.uni-heidelberg.de>

On Thu, 14 Mar 1996, Heather Watson wrote:

>    What I disliked most about the Winds books, in the final analysis, is
> that no one sacrificed anything.  The guys in white hats (and white
> everything else) sailed through and offed the bad guys.  Even the
> characters who did have to go through hell, Nyara and An'desha, get
> divinely restored.  Gee, it must be nice to have a goddess who'll go
> back and fix the mess that evil makes out of people's lives.
>    In the really good books, Misty and otherwise, I think people go
> through profound pain and lose something in the final analysis.  Kris


Sorry, but what about Dawnfire? I think she sacrificed quite a lot, 
her whole life, so to speak. And not to forget Trevalen. Those two 
didn't precisely end up with unruffled feathers - no, wrong idiom, but I 
can't come up with an appropriate one now, anyway. 
And Darkwind's share of sacrificing has had taken place before we saw 
him in the Winds-books, IMO.
And no, I'm not starting with Elspeth again, that's all been said, I 
think. (Well, Heather, is it me defending MageWinds again? ;-))

Spring at last!
Khenta*

i never should've read my horoscope/ or the fortune on the bubble gum 
strip/ saying what you think won't happen will/ great thing to do 
before a trip on an airplane/             Indigo Girls, "Airplane"

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Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 11:26:00 -0600
From: Marissa K Lingen <mlingen-+AT+-gac.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: misogynistic dinosaurs
Message-ID: <199603151726.LAA07907-+AT+-poblano.gac.edu>

Heather wrote that, while it is irrelevant that Sean Connery is a  
misogynistic dinosaur, it is not irrelevant if the characters he (or  
anyone) plays are.

Well, I'm afraid I'm going to have to take the reverse positions.  By  
buying a ticket to a movie, you give that movie financial support (in  
a small way).  You are, in effect, paying the salaries of the actors.   
Just as you could choose not to patronize a store owner who was known  
to be abusive, you can choose not to patronize actors who behave in  
this manner.  And if you don't like James Bond's world--don't pay  
five-fifty to see it.  That's part of the beauty of the capitalist  
system:  we're not forced to pay money for things we don't want.

It's hard to separate the artist (author, actor, etc.) from his or  
her philosophy.  Would Misty be the same author we know and love if  
her heroes were gay-bashers, wife-beaters, drug-pushers, etc.?  Of  
course not.  And I doubt that many of us would buy books that tried  
to portray such characters as heroes.  We would not respect an author  
with such views, and I think we would be reluctant to support  
him/her, no matter how well-written the book was.  Why is there a  
difference with actors?
--Morticia

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Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 18:25:50 +0100 (CET)
From: Birgit Hanel <bhanel-+AT+-ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Castings again
Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.91.960315175237.84566C-100000-+AT+-aixterm7.urz.uni-heidelberg.de>

Where the Kohl did my posting go? I remember writing it on Tuesday, 
but it never appeared on the list.
Oh well, so here I go again.

Elspeth - definitely Alexandra Paul (sp?); (I mean she was the only 
reason _ever_ to watch Baywatch); right down to the bitch-part of the 
character, not to mention the physical one 

Alberich - Juergen Prochnow (anyone remember Dune? oh shudder). Karse 
has that rather germanic touch for me and that's not just because of 
the names.

Talia - Helena Bonham Carter (thanx, Heather, for reminding me of 
her) with fair hair maybe?

Kris - what about Paul Gross (sp?), (I mean this Mountie with 
his deaf wolf- was the series called Due South or the like?), ye 
gods, just think of that smile, <sigh>

Sherrill - hmm, thinking of smiles, Elizabeth McGovern <another sigh>

sorry, but I don't see Faye Dunaway anywhere in here, not after her 
cosmetic surgery, anyway (and she used to be a good actress)

Gary Oldman would nicely do as Dirk, however

Ancar - Nicholas Rogers; unfortunately I don't think that 
"Fantaghiro" (italian TV-fantasy series) will ever make it to US-TV; 
he was Ancar all the way with that sinister look 

and who suggested Tim Curry as Firesong? I hope you're kidding. I 
thought Firesong was supposed to be attractive, sort of. 
But TC as Orthallen, now that would do.
 
'nother pertinent question: who will be directing?
I can't make up my mind between Ridley Scott and Kathryn Bigelow...


Khenta*

i never should've read my horoscope/ or the fortune on the bubble gum 
strip/ saying what you think won't happen will/ great thing to read 
before a trip on an airplane/              Indigo Girls, "Airplane"

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Date:          Fri, 15 Mar 1996 13:19:33 EDT
From: "Jill" <MORRISJM-+AT+-sbu.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re:Muppets List
Message-ID: <367484837-+AT+-pub.sbu.edu>

>Okay.  Here we go, the Muppet Mercedes Lackey Characters...

>No.  Ernie would be Karal, and Bert would be the other Karse guy 
>(the one that was killed who I can't remember his name of from 
>_Storms_)
>Clifford (the rasta muppet) as Suleiman (oh, the black King from WG.  
>That's not his name, I know)
>Fozzie as Leslac, everyone's favorite love-to-hate bard.
>The old guy with the moustache that always sat in the balcony as 
>Vanyel's Dad, and The other old guy as Lord Ornthallen (sp?)
>Gonzo as Dirk.
>Animal as Falconsbane.
>Miss Piggy as Vanyel's mom.
>Sam the Eagle could play Trevyan (or is it Trevalen? Oh, the one 
>that's a gryphon.)
>The Count as Lord Rendan ("Vun Herald, Two Heralds! Ah ah ah ah!")
>Janice as Elspeth. ("Fer shuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuure!")
>The Swedish Chef as Alberich ("Urdy furdy furdy sword da furdy! Mork 
>mork mork!")
>Prairie Dawn as Talia.
>Oscar the Grouch as "Lord" Rendan.
>Kermit as Van's brother
>Robin (Kermit's nephew) as Stefan.
>Dr. Teeth as Vanyel's dad
>Floyd (the guitar guy) as Kris. 
>And Cookie Monster as the voice of Yfandes (just because I want to 
>hear :Cookies?: )

    HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!   (<--19!)
    
    You do realize that I'm going to snickering about this one for 
the next week or so?  The Swedish Chef as Alberich, indeed! And 
Fonzie as Leslac... :)
        
    First Jim Carrey as Firesong, and now this ... 
    
    Thanks, Rynath.  Just wanted to show my appreciation!  :D   
    
          

Jill Morrison /// morrisjm-+AT+-sbu.edu /// Merlyn3109-+AT+-aol.com
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    "And that's such a shame, because that stranger is the Puck in the 
midden, the part of us that makes gold out of trash, poetry out of 
nonsense. It calls art forth from common sights and music from 
ordinary sound and without it, the world would be a very grey place 
indeed."
                                    - From "A Tempest in her Eyes"
                                        "The Ivory and the Horn"
                                          by Charles de Lint
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Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 13:59:35 -0500
From: Tammy Harris <TAMARAH-+AT+-medicine.dmed.iupui.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Ehhh...ahh....may I join?
Message-ID: <17C61987D42-+AT+-medicine.dmed.iupui.edu>

Gyrfalcon wrote:

> > I have said it once, and I'll say it as many times as it bears repeating.
> > 
> > I have NO affiliation with TMIW!!!!! <-- Look 5!

And Schrodinger's Cat replied:

>  Still denying the truth? It would seem that Gyrfalcon is not yet 
> sane. 

It'll never happen, by definition!!!  It's an oxymoron.
And no, Gyrfalcon, we *don't* believe you!  (Yes, I DO still have 
that proof!)

Tammy

"It's time to ask yourself what you believe"

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Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 14:41:49 -0500 (EST)
From: Mat Timmerman <mtimme47-+AT+-magic.hofstra.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Ehhh...ahh....may I join?
Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.91.960315144041.6380B-100000-+AT+-magic.hofstra.edu>

On Fri, 15 Mar 1996, Gyrfalcon wrote:

> STOKES J wrote:
> > 
> > >From:          Priest <patw-+AT+-clark.edu>
> > 
> > Priest, Be welcome to The Ones In Black. Join us in the fight
> > against TMIW and their leader Gyrfalcon.
> > 
> > We welcome anyone who will fight against the evil of those
> > mentioned above
> 
> I have said it once, and I'll say it as many times as it bears repeating.
> 
> I have NO affiliation with TMIW!!!!! <-- Look 5!

And I'll say again, 
	We don't believe you Gyr!!!!! <--5


Mat
accmjt-+AT+-vaxc.hofstra.edu
mtimme47-+AT+-magic.hofstra.edu
http://ada.hofstra.edu/~mtimme47/


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Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 15:57:41 -0500
From: Soljan-+AT+-aol.com
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Black characters in fantasy
Message-ID: <960315155724_352242093-+AT+-emout10.mail.aol.com>


>Leetah and the Sunfolk from Elfquest spring immediately to mind.  (Back
>in EQ's black-and-white days, someone asked Wendy & Richard Pini if
>there were ever going to be black elves.  "Wait till you see the color
>version," they grinned.  Leetah is the major female lead, and her
>lifemating to the white Cutter was one of the reasons that a
>Saturday-morning cartoon project fell through.  ABC wasn't sure
>Saturdays were ready for an "interracial" couple, and the Pinis weren't
>about to make the Sunfolk white.)

Good point!  I always liked the Sunfolk.  I noticed that that there are
several different elf cultures in there.  The Sunfolk,  The Go-Backs,  the
Gliders.  The other thing is that after they get over other differences,
 they all get along.  

For more books dealing with different races,  try Katherine Kurtz's Deryni
books.  Basically they're about a race called the Deryni who are being
suppressed.  They're a race with magic,  and the *normal* humans use the
excuse of the magic being "dangerous" as a reason to persecute them.  

Silvermoon :-) 

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Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 17:29:33 -0500
From: jhedge-+AT+-waterw.com (Jeanne Hedge)
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Casting
Message-ID: <9603152229.AA16365-+AT+-water.waterw.com>

Here are my suggestions for the Great Casting Debate:

Vanyel - Michael Praed
Stef - William Baldwin

Kethry - Michelle Pfeiffer
Tarma -  Angelica Huston
Warrl (voice) - John Cleese
Jadrek - Sean Connery

Selenay - Glenn Close 
Daren - Mel Gibson
Elspeth (child) - Kirsten Dunst 
Elspeth (adult) - Samantha Mathis

Talia (child) - Clare Danes
Talia (adult) - Molly Ringwald
Dirk - Gerard Depardieu
Kris - Cary Elwes
Rolan (voice) - James Earl Jones

Skif (child) - Edward Furlong
Skif (adult) - Matthew Broderick
Jeri (child) - (a now-unknown actress, getting her first major movie role  ; )
Jeri (adult) - Nicole Kidman

Kerowyn - Sharon Stone
Eldan - Harrison Ford
Shallan - (Kes on Star Trek: Voyager)

Keren - Rene Russo
Sherrill - Winona Ryder
Ylsa - Jamie Lee Curtis
Teren - Gary Sinese

Gaytha (Housekeeper) - Angela Lansbury
Mero (Cook) - Bob Hoskins

Alberich - Rutger Hauer 
Elcarth - Jack Lemmon
Jadus - Derek Jacobi
Kyril - Kevin Kline

Solaris - Julia Roberts
Ulrich - Patrick Stewart 
Karal - Ethan Hawke

Ancar - Christian Slater
Hulda - Demi Moore
Orthallen - Tim Curry






Jeanne Hedge

jhedge-+AT+-waterw.com ==================== 75512.1214-+AT+-compuserve.com

"The truth is the one thing that nobody will believe."
           --  George Bernard Shaw  (1856 - 1950)

============ http://www.accsyst.com/jhedge/main.htm ============


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Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 16:46:17 -0600 (CST)
From: SHE WHO THINKS GEORGE COOPER IS THE PERFECT MAN <GEBRIDGES-+AT+-tiny.computing.csbsju.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: RE: casting the dream Velgath movie
Message-ID: <960315164617.368f-+AT+-tiny.computing.csbsju.edu>

Harrsion Ford as Daren? Hmmm... I think that it has potential....
QuickQuestion---> HAs anyone else noticed that there were A LOT more 
lifebondings in LHM then in any other book? I might be bringing something
up that everyone's already heard... but I was just rereading MPawn...
Everyone and there cousin's are lifebonding...  and in Arrows, it's really
just Dirk-Talia, and Karren-Ylsa-Sherril. I asked a friend, and she said
she thought it was becuase they were having so many problems with wars
and things in LHM that people needed more support. I _did_ notice that
in BtS, and Winds, more people started lifebonding, starting with Seleany.
COuld that be it? DOes anyone know???

Velvet <--- (Was Tiana until she found a new idol.)

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Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 16:27:30 -0700 (MST)
From: mrtmh-+AT+-primenet.com (puppies and dragons)
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Ohhhh  Listmistress...
Message-ID: <199603152327.QAA07489-+AT+-usr3.primenet.com>

        I  was  just  wondering  if  Vanyel  did  two  or  three
"mail-drops"  a  day,  or  is  he  constantly  processing  and  sending  out
messages?  I  seem  to get  my  messages  about  an  hour  after  eveyone
else,  and  at  two  or  three "peak"  periods  a  day.  I  was  kind  of
wondering  if  there  was  some  sort  of  malfunction  with  my  own
personal  mail  program,  or  if  that  was  just  how  our  beloved  Van
chose  to  work. <gryn>  Thanks!


                                        Lady  'Reesa

******************************************************************************
    "True...if Valerie hadn't saved me I'd have been cut in half...and half 
of an  assassin is just an ass."  Sam, from "Villians By Necessity" by
Eve Forward
    "Everything important about males and females is exactly the
same...except  guys are idiots." From "NeverNever" by Will Shetterly
******************************************************************************
 


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Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 22:05:09 -0600 (CST)
From: "Margaret F. Sisk" <msisk-+AT+-knox.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re:Casting
Message-ID: <Pine.HPP.3.91.960315215508.17844A-100000-+AT+-knox.knox.edu>


Firesong......how about Jaye Davidson? 

Selenay....I had so many ideas for her, but I think I like Emma Thompson

Talia.....Jennifer Grey has the look--curly brown hair, brown eyes, 
diminutive.

Vanyel....what about Val Kilmer with the same look he had in _Willow_ ?

Kris....Cary Elwes all the way.

Lissa....that Gabrielle person from Beverly Hills 90210 and the talk 
show, just for the Ashkevron nose.

Savil.....Maggie Smith, who played the Mother Superior in Sister Act 1 & 
2...she has that craggy older female look and exactly the right voice.  

Jisa and Trevan......the two actors from _Much Ado About Nothing_ who 
played Claudio and his love-interest....I'm sorry that I *cannot* recall 
their names.  


Whatcha think?

Meg

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Date: 15 Mar 96 23:16:19 EST
From: "Jake (Rynath *OIB*)" <102744.2515-+AT+-compuserve.com>
To: M-L mailing list <mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk>
Subject: RE: Muppets
Message-ID: <960316041618_102744.2515_GHT152-1-+AT+-CompuServe.COM>

Cindy wrote:

.Miss Piggy as Kerowyn...

AAAGH!  No.  Kerowyn would have to be a special guest star, too, on second
thought!  Can't bear the thought of a *muppet* playing my favorite character
(except, maybe, Spamela Hamderson....)

ObMisty:  There are no talking pigs in Valdemar.

Shade and Sweet Water to You,
                                                                  
========================== Rynath (OIB) / Jake =======================
   "You can't be serious.  A sniper can't hit us at this dist---"
                         Famous Last Words #439
========================102744.2515-+AT+-compuserve.com ===================


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Date: Sat, 16 Mar 1996 13:17:07 -0500 (EST)
From: Adrienne York <ayork-+AT+-simons-rock.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: James Earl Jones (was re: Brad Pittttt...)
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.960316131311.11372D-100000-+AT+-plato>

On Fri, 15 Mar 1996, Rebecca Cary wrote:

> On Thu, 14 Mar 1996, Jake (Rynath *OIB*) wrote:
> 
> > Ornthallen is Kris' uncle.  Does that mean we can have a black person play Kris?
> > (I don't mean this in a bad way--it just opens a few more interesting options).
> (snip)
> Ooooh, yeah, like maybe Denzel Washington!

Y'know, there are other black actors besides Denzel Washington and James 
Earl Jones, even if they have been getting a lot of work lately.  How 
about Tupac Shakur for Kris.  I know a number of people may disagree with 
his music, but he doesn't have to sing "California Love" in a Misty 
Movie.  But he *is* cute and he *does* know it, two major prerequisites 
with an actor who plays Kris.  And he wasn't half bad in Poetic Justice 
(which was a bad movie) and he was really scary in ... ?Juice?  Anyway, 
there are more than two decent black actors on the face of the planet...
_____________________________________________________________________________
L'enfant terrible					ayork-+AT+-simons-rock.edu
	            Grand Destinies lead to Grand Funerals.
		         	-Mercedes Lackey

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Date: Sat, 16 Mar 1996 11:52:27 -0800 (PST)
From: Becky Anne Christensen <beckyanne-+AT+-iforge.valleynet.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Sean Connery? Bleeech (was Re: Brad Pitttttt? Bleeech!)
Message-ID: <Pine.BSD/.3.91.960316114849.9304A-100000-+AT+-iforge.valleynet.com>

On Thu, 14 Mar 1996, Rosario Holsen-Baker wrote:

> Free Bard Oriole wrote:
> > > know, the guy from the Princess Bride...as...you...wish...) he could be 
> > > Kris maybe. 
> > Yes, he would make a GREAT Kris!!!!
> > -Free Bard Oriole
> > 
> 	Ummmm...does no one else remember Kris is supposed to be 
> dark-haired? <gryn>
> 
> *****LADY JAGUAR*****
> Leader of the Cat People
> Lady in Green
> LGMCB, DHTBB
> "Meddle not in the affairs of cats
> for you are soft-skinned, and blind at night."
> *********************
	Oh yeah, forgot about that part. I could never quite picture him 
with dark hair though. Maybe Pierce Brosnan for Kris, then? If Kerry 
Elwes wasn't so handsome, he could be Dirk. 

	Lady Becky

The more that you read,
the more things you will know.
The more that you learn,
the more places you'll go.
        --Dr. Suess





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Date: Sat, 16 Mar 1996 12:09:43 -0800 (PST)
From: Becky Anne Christensen <beckyanne-+AT+-iforge.valleynet.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Brad Pitttttt? Bleeech!
Message-ID: <Pine.BSD/.3.91.960316120650.9304B-100000-+AT+-iforge.valleynet.com>

On Thu, 14 Mar 1996, Roger Dahl wrote:

> And... And.... Jim Carrey as Firesong...! That would be absolutely neat! :)))
> 
>   -+*#*+- -+*#*+- -+*#*+- -+*#  Roger Dahl - rd-+AT+-redleaf.bbs.no  #*+- 
>       Now Hounds of Love are Hunting
> 
	Oh. My. Gosh. No you didn't just say that. If Jim Carrey is 
anywhere in this movie, then all of our planning and hours of casting 
would go down the tubes. I seriously hope you have recovered from 
whatever drugs you were taking at the time you said that. That would be 
absolutely AWFUL! Please tell me you were just joking, or else I will 
have to kill you :)

	Lady Becky

The more that you read,
the more things you will know.
The more that you learn,
the more places you'll go.
        --Dr. Suess




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Date: Sat, 16 Mar 1996 12:13:41 -0800 (PST)
From: Becky Anne Christensen <beckyanne-+AT+-iforge.valleynet.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: RE: Out of print - copyright
Message-ID: <Pine.BSD/.3.91.960316121125.9304C-100000-+AT+-iforge.valleynet.com>

On Thu, 14 Mar 1996, Jake (Rynath *OIB*) wrote:

> Lady Becky wrote:
> 
> (Catwoman wrote:)
> 
> .> I don't know which S&S you're looking for, but I know that there's a totally
> .> rad Barnes & Noble in Fresno, and they always special order stuff for their
> .> customers, so you may want to inquire. You tell them what you want, and two
> .> weeks later you pay for it when it comes in. Nifty, huh? :) 
> .
> .	Yep, I love Barnes & Noble, one of the few places in Fresno that 
> .is worth anything (even if the parking is beyond horendous) but if it was 
> .out of print, then ordering it wouldn't do any good would it? Or can you 
> .order put of print things?
> 
> At B. Dalton, at least, you can order out of print books *if* they have them in
> their main warehouse (which, to my understanding, is absolutely ginormous).
> I've special ordered books from B. Dalton before, and they usually have
> everything I'm looking for.
> 
> Now that I think about it, I should ask them if they have a copy...
> 
> Shade and Sweet Water to You,
>                                                                   
> ========================== Rynath (OIB) / Jake =======================
> "The point is, you see, that there is no point in driving yourself mad
> trying to stop yourself from driving yourself mad.   You might just as 
>       well give in and save your sanity for later." -- Ford Prefect
> ========================102744.2515-+AT+-compuserve.com ===================
> 
	If I go there and find out that the last copy in their warehouse 
was sold to a certain Jake, you're in *big* trouble mister! If they have 
a copy, then it's mine! All mine! Mine mine mine mine mine!

	Lady Becky

The more that you read,
the more things you will know.
The more that you learn,
the more places you'll go.
        --Dr. Suess




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Date: Sat, 16 Mar 1996 12:20:12 -0800 (PST)
From: Becky Anne Christensen <beckyanne-+AT+-iforge.valleynet.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Baldwins? Bleeeech! 
Message-ID: <Pine.BSD/.3.91.960316121801.9304D-100000-+AT+-iforge.valleynet.com>

On Thu, 14 Mar 1996, Rosario Holsen-Baker wrote:

> Lady Beck wrote:
> > 
> > 	I love Pierce Brosnan!!!!!!! <--look, 7! hee-hee :) Anyways, 
> > since I can't think of anyone better, maybe Van? To make the cast 
> > complete, we need a Baldwin in there somewhere. Even better question is, 
> > 
> 	Tim Curry, probably. Either that or maybe Michael Wincott.
> 
>   <rant> A Baldwin? No! Well, maybe not. Unless we have a horde of family 
> in there, somewhere. All the Baldwins ('cept Alec, he's the only interesting
> one) are interchangeable. I'm serious. I see a preview, I see a 
> Baldwin..."Oh, look. A Baldwin." It doesn't matter which it is, anymore, 
> I spot a Baldwin and immediatly that movie loses one star. The sheer 
> clone-ness of the whole group sincerely bothers me. Stephen, Adam, 
> William, Daniel, Alec..they all look alike!!! </rant>
> 	Okay, I'm better now. 
> 
> *****LADY JAGUAR*****
	I agree, they do all look alike, it's one of the things that 
happen when you're a family <g> But isn't there a family or town in Velgarth 
somewhere that really look alike (inbreeding?) Maybe they could be the 
Holderkin people. 

	Lady Becky

The more that you read,
the more things you will know.
The more that you learn,
the more places you'll go.
        --Dr. Suess




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Date: Sat, 16 Mar 1996 12:22:11 -0800 (PST)
From: Becky Anne Christensen <beckyanne-+AT+-iforge.valleynet.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Baldwins? Bleeeech!
Message-ID: <Pine.BSD/.3.91.960316122112.9304E-100000-+AT+-iforge.valleynet.com>

On Thu, 14 Mar 1996, CHONNI wrote:

> On Thu, 14 Mar 1996, Rosario Holsen-Baker wrote:
> 
> >   <rant> A Baldwin? No! Well, maybe not. Unless we have a horde of family 
> > in there, somewhere. All the Baldwins ('cept Alec, he's the only interesting
> 
> I'm behind in my mail, so don't slam me if someone else has already said 
> this, but how about the Ashkeverons?????  They're all supposed to be big, 
> tall, muscular men that don't really look like Vanyel at all; and I can 
> not (!!!) picture Vanyel looking anything like the Baldwins!
> 
> 
> ***************************************************************************
> "What are we doing tonight, Brain?""The same thing we do everynight, Pinky." 
> "What's that?"  "I have no idea."
> ******************************************Herald Chonni Brightwolf*********

	Ooooh, good idea, I like that one. I agree, they would be 
perfect, but who would play Van's sister?

	Lady Becky

The more that you read,
the more things you will know.
The more that you learn,
the more places you'll go.
        --Dr. Suess




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Date: Sat, 16 Mar 1996 12:40:09 -0800 (PST)
From: Becky Anne Christensen <beckyanne-+AT+-iforge.valleynet.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Casting of Trainees
Message-ID: <Pine.BSD/.3.91.960316123736.9304G-100000-+AT+-iforge.valleynet.com>

On Thu, 14 Mar 1996, STOKES J wrote:

> >, but that still leaves us with a whole bunch of trainee Heralds, who
> >should mostly look between thirteen and eighteen...
> 
> >Mel.
> 
> Easy. We just have to raid an acting school, grab all the ones who
> look like they'd fit as Heralds and that's the trainees taken care 
> of.
> 
> I see you shiver with antici....pation
> 
> Lord Jason[OIB] 
> 
	Ooooh, come to my school! You'll find them all there! I can think 
of a whole heck of a lot of people that could very easily be Herald 
trainees, and they can even act! Well, most of them, and the ones that 
can't can just stand there and look pretty <g>
	
	Lady Becky

The more that you read,
the more things you will know.
The more that you learn,
the more places you'll go.
        --Dr. Suess




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Date: Sat, 16 Mar 1996 12:44:50 -0800 (PST)
From: Becky Anne Christensen <beckyanne-+AT+-iforge.valleynet.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Casting
Message-ID: <Pine.BSD/.3.91.960316124303.9304H-100000-+AT+-iforge.valleynet.com>

On Thu, 14 Mar 1996, CHONNI wrote:

> On Thu, 14 Mar 1996, Jake (Rynath *OIB*) wrote:
> 
> Sorry, but I'd have to second the idea of Stewart as Alberich.  I first 
> saw him in _Dune_, as a bodyguard/soldier, and he was pretty convincing.  
> Even better, he already knows how to fence!
> 
> ***************************************************************************
> "What are we doing tonight, Brain?""The same thing we do everynight, Pinky." 
> "What's that?"  "I have no idea."
> ******************************************Herald Chonni Brightwolf*********
>
> 
	You just made me think of someone else to stick in there 
somewhere. The doctor guy from Dune, what was his name, wasn't it Dewey 
or something? He would be good for Ancar I think.

	Lady Becky

The more that you read,
the more things you will know.
The more that you learn,
the more places you'll go.
        --Dr. Suess




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