MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 423 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: ranting about the Gods by Heather Watson 2) Re: ranting about the Gods by Heather Watson 3) Re: Casting by Becky Anne Christensen 4) Re: Language list? by Ian Macdonald 5) Re: Personas by Ian Macdonald 6) Re: Author! Author! by "Jake (Rynath *OIB*)" <102744.2515-+AT+-compuserve.com> 7) Re: Cool bookstores in NYC by "Jake (Rynath *OIB*)" <102744.2515-+AT+-compuserve.com> 8) Re: Muppets! by "Jake (Rynath *OIB*)" <102744.2515-+AT+-compuserve.com> 9) RE: Chaucer by "Barbara G. Jacob-McDowell" 10) Re: Castings again by TALLREDD1-+AT+-aol.com 11) Re: Copyright... by "Jake (Rynath *OIB*)" <102744.2515-+AT+-compuserve.com> 12) Re: Muppets by "Jake (Rynath *OIB*)" <102744.2515-+AT+-compuserve.com> 13) First books ... by "Jill" 14) Eddings! :) by "Jill" 15) Re: Author! Author! by 5INT627-+AT+-sc.maricopa.edu 16) Re: Author! Author! by Heather Watson 17) Re: Casting by Shadow-Lover 18) Re: SPOILERSPOILERSPOILER Storm Rising by Marissa K Lingen 19) Furry books ... by ptamarin-+AT+-buttenet.com (Pat Tamarin) 20) Re: Author! Author! by "Jake (Rynath *OIB*)" <102744.2515-+AT+-compuserve.com> 21) Re: Casting by "Jake (Rynath *OIB*)" <102744.2515-+AT+-compuserve.com> 22) Re: First books... by "Jake (Rynath *OIB*)" <102744.2515-+AT+-compuserve.com> 23) Re: ranting about the Gods by Adrienne York ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 17 Mar 1996 15:07:44 CST From: Heather Watson To: Subject: Re: ranting about the Gods Message-ID: <17MAR96.16339469.0060.MUSIC-+AT+-NEMOMUS> Okay, some of the responses to this make sense. I guess the Star-Eyed is pretty up-front about taking an active role in human affairs, and Rethwellan does have that sword. Forgot about that. But none of that helps with some of the major points. Like, if the Star-Eyed helps some of the time, why not all of the time? I assume she can, since Iftel's god apparently can. And why doesn't Hardorn have any handydandy systems to protect the people from bad leadership? And why did Vkandis allow Karse to be ruled badly for 600 years if all it took to stop the problem was putting the divine foot down? A whole lot of people in a whole lot of countries died for that false holy war. How come Vkandis cares now, but not 200 years ago? A little capricious, isn't he? In fact, the gods are thoroughly undependable. This time they'll step in, now they won't. We're told not to count on the gods to solve our problems, but Karal is also told that if the gods aren't actively interfering in his life, he's doing everything just right. But that can't be true, because we know plenty of people who made big, huge mistakes (everyone from 'Lendel to Hulda), and no god had anything to say about that. True, they weren't priests, but we also know 600 years worth of Sunpriests who got away with bloody murder, until Vkandis changed the rules. Are we supposed to believe that this new-sherriff-in-town phase is going to last indefinately? And with that in mind, NOW Karal is supposed to leave all the big moral work up to Vkandis, after all the times Misty says Don't Do That? Just doesn't make much sense to me. HTH ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Mar 1996 15:23:13 CST From: Heather Watson To: Subject: Re: ranting about the Gods Message-ID: <17MAR96.16618187.0060.MUSIC-+AT+-NEMOMUS> No, I don't think it's remotely like being born into poverty or to the landed nobility. Extreme wealth, like extreme poverty, are social constructs that human beings, in their not-so-infinite wisdom, have created. Companions are the direct work of the gods. So a poor person is reaping the cosmic effects of a system they didn't create, but only a Hardornen is reaping the cosmic effects of the gods not choosing to let them in on the good stuff. I expect humans to be unjust. I don't see any need to worship humans, and I don't see any need to worship a god who is only going to be as just as a human -- no, I don't even care about justice. As compassionate as a human. It's jolly nice that Vkandis wants to protect the alliance with Valdemar so much that he's willing to step in. Tell it to the generations of children who were burned at the stake, who were evidently not important enough. We know he COULD have stopped it at any time, and he DIDN'T. Because it wasn't *important* enough. Well, damned if I'm going to bow down to anything or anyone who doesn't consider me as an individual important. And no, I don't believe in miracles. I hate all those stupid stories about how "God made sure my car stalled so I wasn't in that intersection when the pileup occured." Great, so if it's my sister who gets mangled in a twisted heap of metal, then it's because she didn't have the right pull with God. Apparently she wasn't important, or she didn't pray to the right diety, or often enough, or hadn't led the right kind of life, or hey, that's the breaks, but this lady over here gets divine protection anyway so hahaha. People die because they die, and I don't believe for one second that God saves or destroys based on merit or significance. If I did, I'd take the fact that I'm still alive as proof that I'm morally superior to, say, the kids on the last schoolbus that wrecked and burned. I don't know if this makes me like the state of Utah or not. I do think that banning all activities was better than allowing only, say, certain religious groups to meet on campus, but nothing that the school board didn't approve of. Shows a certain amount of even-handedness, even if only because Utah's own Sen. Hatch was responsible for the law that makes it illegal to discriminate against student-run groups who want to use school grounds to meet. Treating everyone under the same set of rules hardly accounts for everything, but it's worth something, I think. HTH ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Mar 1996 13:43:33 -0800 (PST) From: Becky Anne Christensen To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Casting Message-ID: On Sun, 17 Mar 1996 ThessaIy-+AT+-aol.com wrote: > YESYESYES!!!!!! > Finally someone suggested Val Kilmer!!!!He could do it up wonderfully!!!! > I like Jurgen Prochnow as Alberich, particularly because of his accent, it > sounds Karsite. I also like Maggie Smith as Savil and Kate Beckinsale and > Robert Sean Leonard as Jisa and Treven. Cary Elwes, however would only be > good as Kris with dyed hair and if he drops the snobby attitude! > > Thess Wait a second, isn't Kris supposed to have a snobby attitude? I still think he's perfect for the role. I definitely agree with you about Kate Beckinsale and Robert Sean Leonard, they're perfect for Jisa and Treven. Now the really hard question, is *Who would play the gryphons?* Lady Becky The more that you read, the more things you will know. The more that you learn, the more places you'll go. --Dr. Suess ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Mar 1996 21:38:01 +0000 (GMT) From: Ian Macdonald To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Language list? Message-ID: On Sun, 17 Mar 1996, Nokaih wrote: > I remember asking for the language list that Rynath was talking > about in one of the messages. But I never got a copy. Could someone > send it to me? It was going around with the topic Shin'a'in word list I > think. :-) > > Nokaih Theres a like from my web pages http://www.dcs.ed.ac.uk/home/ism/lackey/lackey.html under info I don't have the web address to hand of the actual site but that should get you there Bye < all of a sudden a whisper of sound occurs then the sound of a body hitting a keyboard. "Good thing we had darts", one of the white coated men said to the other as they dragged ian's body from the terminal.> < ism-+AT+-tardis.ed.ac.uk > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Mar 1996 21:41:51 +0000 (GMT) From: Ian Macdonald To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Personas Message-ID: On Sun, 17 Mar 1996, Priest wrote: > Is there anyone that can give me the information for making a character? > I'd really like to know since I want to create a persona. Any > information that anyone can send me would be helpful. Please send it via > private email to patw-+AT+-clark.edu and put the subject header as Persona > Info. Thanx! :-) Its something to do with queens own (the fan group) since I have never done it I can't give you any more information than that theres some information about queens own on me web pages http://www.dcs.ed.ac.uk/home/ism/lackey/lackey.hthml Hope this helps Ian < all of a sudden a whisper of sound occurs then the sound of a body hitting a keyboard. "Good thing we had darts", one of the white coated men said to the other as they dragged ian's body from the terminal.> < ism-+AT+-tardis.ed.ac.uk > ------------------------------ Date: 17 Mar 96 17:17:42 EST From: "Jake (Rynath *OIB*)" <102744.2515-+AT+-compuserve.com> To: M-L mailing list Subject: Re: Author! Author! Message-ID: <960317221742_102744.2515_GHT141-5-+AT+-CompuServe.COM> Stormcloud wrote: .Priest wrote: .> I'd rather sit down with a good fantasy. Can anyone .> reccomend one that's (blasphemy!) not Misty? . I'm always full of suggestions! (These go for you .too, Rynath, even though I know you've read some of these already! .) What, no Tolkien? . And to think, before I met you I read mainly sci-fi. What was wrong with me? (I know, I didn't meet you .) Priest, I have some suggestions for you too. . Jennifer Roberson's Tiger and Del books: Swordsinger, .Sworddancer, Swordmaker, and Swordbreaker. I havent read those, but I did read her Chronicles of the Cheysuli series (8 Books: _Shapechangers,_ _The Song of Homana,_ _Legacy of the Sword,_ Track of the White Wolf,_ _A Pride of Princes,_ _Daughter of the Lion,_ Flight of the Raven,_ and _A Tapestry of Lions._). They. Were. Great. Read them all in a row. And they have cool "bad guys!" Get them! . Tanya Huff's Sing the Four Quarters, and Fifth Quarter. STFQ blew me .away, it was incredible! I haven't read Fifth yet, but I have it. Be assured, Stormcloud, _Fifth Quarter_ is grrreat! Read it read it. You too, Priest. Other really good fantasy books that you should read: Straight fantasy (meaning genre, not sexual orientation:) _Fire in the Mist_ by Holly Lisle. I really liked this book, in spite of the rest of Holly's work (which was bad in my opinion). _Stranger at the Wedding_ by Barbra Hambly. It's her Windrose chronicles setting without all that icky 20th century stuff. Good. David Eddings. I know, people don't like him around here. But his books are good, even though the serieses are 5 books each in some cases. Pick up The Belgariad books. Mixed fantasy (mixes 20th century with Fantasy:) The Magical Kingdom of Landover books by Terry Brooks. There's four books in this series. I've read the first three, and I liked them so far. Dealt with the situation of a 20th century guy buying the kingship of a fantasy world. The only mixed fantasy/current reality books I really liked. There's more books you should read, but I can't think of them right now. Fantasy books on my TO BE READ pile (tower?) of books are: _The Hands of Lyr_ by Andre Norton _The Ruby Knight_ and _The Sapphire Rose_ by Eddings Michael Moorcock's _Elric of Melinibone_ (although I don't think this one is going to be good.) Hope these are of help! TTFN, ========================== Rynath (OIB) / Jake ======================= "Fifty Nomads? I thought you said fifTEEN Nomads!" Famous Last Words #765 ========================102744.2515-+AT+-compuserve.com =================== ------------------------------ Date: 17 Mar 96 17:17:45 EST From: "Jake (Rynath *OIB*)" <102744.2515-+AT+-compuserve.com> To: M-L mailing list Subject: Re: Cool bookstores in NYC Message-ID: <960317221745_102744.2515_GHT141-6-+AT+-CompuServe.COM> Joan Ferguson asked for help in finding "cool used/independent/ whatever bookstores" in New York City. Well, I don't know about the City proper, but on Staten Island there's the Barrett Book Trader off of Forest Avenue. Their address is : 16B Barrett Avenue, Staten Island and their phone # is (718) 273-9040. I've managed to pick up a bunch of cool books there, like Roberson's entire Cheysuli series, Sword and Sorceress I (no III, I looked!) and a lot of my Misty books. BIG paperback selection, somewhat smaller hardback selection. Although with me telling you this, that means I'm a regular customer, which means I buy all the cool fantasy there as soon as it comes in... :) Shade and Sweet Water to You, ========================== Rynath (OIB) / Jake ======================= "You can't be serious. A sniper can't hit us at this dist---" Famous Last Words #439 ========================102744.2515-+AT+-compuserve.com =================== ------------------------------ Date: 17 Mar 96 17:17:39 EST From: "Jake (Rynath *OIB*)" <102744.2515-+AT+-compuserve.com> To: M-L mailing list Subject: Re: Muppets! Message-ID: <960317221738_102744.2515_GHT141-4-+AT+-CompuServe.COM> Pat Tamarin wrote: .Didn't Jim Hensen have a gryphon (catching a crystal sphere) in the opening .of that show where he sat with the lion? .. .Herald Chonni Brightwolf, maybe you're on to something! ;-) Yes! He did! I don't remember the name of the show specifically, but I do remember that cool animatronic lion *and* the gryphon. Maybe we can get him to play Skan (if it's a him.) Shade and Sweet Water to You, ========================== Rynath (OIB) / Jake ======================= "So we turn off the lights! If we can't see them, they can't see us.. right?" -- Famous Last Words #976 ========================102744.2515-+AT+-compuserve.com =================== ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Mar 1996 17:23:16 -0500 (EST) From: "Barbara G. Jacob-McDowell" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: RE: Chaucer Message-ID: <0lH93IW00iWR44jX49-+AT+-andrew.cmu.edu> May I suggest another possibility for the books Karal is trying to decipher? If these are by Sons of the Sun, and original, they could have been spelled (or whatever term the Karsites preferred to use to mask that sort of ability) either before or after becoming SoSs, which could account for their being originals and still in good shape for persusal. They might also have been written in some kind of cipher/code/shorthand not generally known in their own time but commonplace or at least wellknown to scholars later. This is not all that farfetched an idea, BTW; that was the case with the diaries of Samuel Pepys, which were unread from the 17th century until the 20th, simply because he did not leave the key of the shorthand/cipher system he wrote them in with them when he stopped writing them, a good number of years before he died. He used this cipher since he was writing unexpurgated accounts of his daily life, for his own uses (reckoning up his assets every New Year, keeping track of the machinations going on in connection with his work as Secretary of the Navy--invaluable in clearing his office during a Parlimentary investigation after England lost the Second Dutch War--, examining his conscience about his day-to-day activities, and reliving some of the more memorable events, such as his descriptions of the return of Charles II to the English throne in 1660, the great fire of London, the terrible plague of 1665). If you are desperately jealous of your wife's dancing teacher, while flirting with various dubious street women, you wouldn't exactly want her to be able to pick up your diary and read it....although the humor of her unfairly (for once) accusing Sam of fooling around with the kitchenmaid, locking him into their bedroom for 2 days and chasing him around their bed with a red-hot poker is one of my favorite pieces of literature! If you've never sampled Sam, I recommend him highly. If I had my choice of almost anyone from the past to invite to dinner, I think I'd choose him, simply for his zest for life and capacity for enjoyment. It was a tragedy for English social history that approaching blindness caused him to cease keeping his diary in 1665. It was nearly 300 yrs. before a scholar realized that they were written in a shorthand, and transliterated them. Certainly they would also have personal and chronological locutions which might not be current in Karal's day, and therefore, as someone else suggested, take some deciphering. I don't think it would be slang as much as references to people and events that were commonplace knowledge in the writers' time and might not be as commonly known in later history, simply because they were not "important" in the official accounts. I'd also like to point out that if these are Sons of the Sun from before the time that the teachings of the Karsite religion were tampered with, their diaries might have been hidden away until it was safe for them to be rediscovered, and not by many people at that. This, I think, illustrates the very high regard and importance which Ulrich feels for Karal (and didn't Ulrich at some point say that he has some small Foresight?), that he feels Karal should read them. It might just be that for the ordinary person trying to read them that they don't seem important or interesting, and that the ones who need to read them have to get past that unimportant sense, have to persevere to get to the information they contain of moment to them. Kind of a variation of the technique used in Eddings' books on the prophetic writings in the Mrin Codex and others. --Barra Everything will perish save love and music.--Scots Gaelic proverb Harpers have pluck--but don't get strung out.--Barra the Bard ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Mar 1996 17:23:53 -0500 From: TALLREDD1-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Castings again Message-ID: <960317172352_248344426-+AT+-mail02.mail.aol.com> What do YOU mean Time Curry is not attractive. Huh? ------------------------------ Date: 17 Mar 96 17:39:41 EST From: "Jake (Rynath *OIB*)" <102744.2515-+AT+-compuserve.com> To: M-L mailing list Subject: Re: Copyright... Message-ID: <960317223940_102744.2515_GHT126-2-+AT+-CompuServe.COM> Lady Becky wrote: .On Thu, 14 Mar 1996, Jake (Rynath *OIB*) wrote: .. .> Lady Becky wrote: .> . .> . Yep, I love Barnes & Noble, one of the few places in Fresno that .> .is worth anything (even if the parking is beyond horendous) but if it was .> .out of print, then ordering it wouldn't do any good would it? Or can you .> .order put of print things? .> .> At B. Dalton, at least, you can order out of print books *if* they have them in .> their main warehouse (which, to my understanding, is absolutely ginormous). .> I've special ordered books from B. Dalton before, and they usually have .> everything I'm looking for. .> .> Now that I think about it, I should ask them if they have a copy... .> . If I go there and find out that the last copy in their warehouse .was sold to a certain Jake, you're in *big* trouble mister! If they have .a copy, then it's mine! All mine! Mine mine mine mine mine! Greed is so.. unbecoming to you, my lady. Although, at the way people are about SSIII on this list, I might just buy up *all* the copies and sell them at an obscene profit margin . I know, greed is unbecoming from me, too. Shade and Sweet Water to You, ========================== Rynath (OIB) / Jake ======================= "It's MINE, you understand! Mine mine mine mine mine!" - Daffy Duck ========================102744.2515-+AT+-compuserve.com =================== ------------------------------ Date: 17 Mar 96 17:39:37 EST From: "Jake (Rynath *OIB*)" <102744.2515-+AT+-compuserve.com> To: M-L mailing list Subject: Re: Muppets Message-ID: <960317223937_102744.2515_GHT126-1-+AT+-CompuServe.COM> Jill wrote (in response to the muppets posting:) . HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (<--19!) . . You do realize that I'm going to snickering about this one for .the next week or so? The Swedish Chef as Alberich, indeed! And .Fonzie as Leslac... :) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Fonzie? I don't know if that was a slip or not, but the thought of Henry Winkler going "Ayyyy, Ms. T! I gotta song for ya!" was just to strangely funny not to put down. Shade and Sweet Water to You, ========================== Rynath (OIB) / Jake ======================= "Hey, Charlie--what are all those red circles of light on your chest for?" ---------- Famous Last Words #785 ========================102744.2515-+AT+-compuserve.com =================== ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Mar 1996 17:46:29 EDT From: "Jill" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: First books ... Message-ID: <37D5AB21EF-+AT+-pub.sbu.edu> Heather Watson wrote (at some point this weekend :): >Why don't the authors who are capable of doing very innovative, >exciting work (i.e. Tailchaser's Song), DO that, and leave the >Tolkien rip-offs to people who aren't creative enough to do anything >else? I *loved* that book! I think that "Tailchaser's Song", with Anne McCaffrey's "Dragonsong" and Terry Brooks' "Magic Kingdom for Sale" were the first fantasy novels I ever read (and here I am, a decade later, hooked on `em!). That's got me curious -- what similar experiences like that have the rest of you had? Jill Morrison /// morrisjm-+AT+-sbu.edu /// Merlyn3109-+AT+-aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- "And that's such a shame, because that stranger is the Puck in the midden, the part of us that makes gold out of trash, poetry out of nonsense. It calls art forth from common sights and music from ordinary sound and without it, the world would be a very grey place indeed." - From "A Tempest in her Eyes" "The Ivory and the Horn" by Charles de Lint ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Mar 1996 17:54:49 EDT From: "Jill" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Eddings! :) Message-ID: <3800036E1E-+AT+-pub.sbu.edu> Velvet/Tiana wrote: >Velvet <--- (Was Tiana until she found a new idol.) Oh, ho!! Somebody's been reading Eddings, I bet! *grin* I love Eddings, and Velvet was great. ObMisty --- Ummm...hmmm....Eddings/Misty crossover would be cool! Jill Morrison /// morrisjm-+AT+-sbu.edu /// Merlyn3109-+AT+-aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- "And that's such a shame, because that stranger is the Puck in the midden, the part of us that makes gold out of trash, poetry out of nonsense. It calls art forth from common sights and music from ordinary sound and without it, the world would be a very grey place indeed." - From "A Tempest in her Eyes" "The Ivory and the Horn" by Charles de Lint ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Mar 1996 16:01:43 -0700 (MST) From: 5INT627-+AT+-sc.maricopa.edu To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Author! Author! Message-ID: <01I2G8KI2KIE006AJ0-+AT+-sc.maricopa.edu> Rynath, If you like Eddings, definately read the Elenium(Diamond Throne, Ruby Knight, Saphire Rose) and then read the Tamuli(Domes of Fire, The Shining Ones, The Hidden City). If you liked the Belgariad and the Mallorean, definately read _Belgarath the Sorcerer_, it's absolutely incredible. Another great author for your list should be Steve White(Disinheried, Legacy, Debt of Ages), this gut manages to combine Arthurian legend with SciFi,. Yet another great author is Raymond Feist, especially his last two books(Shadows of a Dark Queen and Rise of a Merchant Prince). And like several others on this list, I can't stand Tolkien(except for The Hobbit). I f you dislike Tolkein, check out _Bored of the Rings_ by the Harvard Lampoon...I am hereby donning my flame-proof suit and ducking! ---EDWARD--- FORBES 2000 Hai N'ai ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Mar 1996 17:17:37 CST From: Heather Watson To: Subject: Re: Author! Author! Message-ID: <17MAR96.18677340.0027.MUSIC-+AT+-NEMOMUS> Gotta plug two of my very most favorite, highly underrated authors. One is Parke Godwin, who retells traditional legends in a very engaging, realistic way. SHERWOOD and ROBIN AND THE KING are about Robin Hood (set just after the Norman Conquest of England), FIRELORD and BELOVED EXILE are about Arthur and Guenevere, respectively, and THE LAST RAINBOW is about St. Patrick. His history is impeccable, his writing amazing. This is how I want to write in thirty years. The other is Guy Gavriel Kay. His first trilogy, probably the most High Fantasy of them all, is the Fionavar Tapestry, which consists of THE SUMMER TREE, THE WANDERING FIRE, and THE DARKEST ROAD. His stand-alones are set in worlds that resemble various Earth cultures of the past. TIGANA takes place in something like Renaissance Italy, A SONG FOR ARBONNE in Provencal France among the troubadours, and THE LIONS OF AL-RASSAN in Spain during the Reconquista, complete with the clash of three cultures sharing the same space. But it's definitely fantasy, not historical fiction. He gets my vote for Author Most Like J.R.R. Tolkien Without Being Unbearably Dull. So Parke Godwin and Guy Gavriel Kay. Trust me. Oh, and Godwin has recently come out with a Beowulf book called THE TOWERS OF BEOWULF, which is much slimmer than most of his work (neither of these guys writes short.) If anyone's read it, let me know how it is (can't afford it in hardback, and none of my friends are obligingly Godwin fans). Though I can't imagine it would be less than fabulous. HTH ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Mar 1996 19:15:02 -0500 From: Shadow-Lover To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Casting Message-ID: <1.5.4b11.32.19960318001502.006795c4-+AT+-ix.netcom.com> At 10:35 PM 3/17/96 GMT, you wrote: *Shadow-Lover gets a brilliant revelation...* Seeing as how black men are very uncommon in Valdemar, and James Earl Jones doesn't exactly fit as the muscular, tall, and strikingly good looking black king there's no reason to let that voice go to waste!!! Anyone think about using him as the Shadow-Lover? His deep melodious voice would be *perfect*... Next time you see The Lion King close your eyes and listen to the voice... *sigh* It really strikes me as the epitome of what Misty was trying to convey... - Shadow-Lover *************************-E-mail-WDJPEJ-+AT+-ix.netcom.com-************************ * - There are no happy endings because nothing ever ends... * * -The Last Unicorn * * * * - How long 'till my soul gets it right... How can any human ever reach * * that kind of light... Call on the resting soul of Galileo, king of * * night-vision king of insight... * * -Indigo Girls * ********************************-IRC: Hairenn-******************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Mar 1996 18:45:22 -0600 From: Marissa K Lingen To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: SPOILERSPOILERSPOILER Storm Rising Message-ID: <199603180045.SAA12220-+AT+-dion.gac.edu> I just finished _Storm Rising_ today, and I thought the Companions made it as obvious as they possibly could that Karal was still on their good side. Recall, if you will, that when Karal went to Firesong and An'desha's ekele, the Companions formed a parade behind him, betraying obvious concern for his well-being? And Kristin was right--it *wasn't* a formal accusation, just ugly rumors that many were willing to believe and propagate. The behavior of Karal's enemies seemed to be the most insidious type: they didn't directly do anything that could be definitely pegged as malicious against him. They "forgot" things (like the servants "forgetting" to clean his rooms). Talia, Daren, Selenay, etc. all did what they could without formalizing Jarim (? the Shin'a'in envoy)'s insults. I seem to recall hearing about the few Heralds who suspected Karal only at the beginning of the proceedings, not after the Companions had paraded behind him to the ekele (presumably showing their Heralds what was what). If anything, it seemed that An'desha resolved the problem with the Shin'a'in envoy too easily. The same went for Firesong--all of a sudden, he realized what he was doing (that I can buy) and was immediately back to mostly his normal self? I don't know that I buy that. Just my $0.01 (I'm a college student--I'm poor!) --Morticia ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Mar 1996 18:27:54 -0600 From: ptamarin-+AT+-buttenet.com (Pat Tamarin) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Furry books ... Message-ID: I loved "Tailchaser's Song" too! Which is why my cat is named "ThunderPaws" he came out when the book did... Other furries---> Here's a "furry novel list" by Dan Lorey (dl24-+AT+-cornell.edu), which has been arranged into three categories of furriness, or intelligence: http://web.syr.edu/~pjkappes/novels1.txt He includes some of Misty's books because of the bond birds and kryee. ___________________________________________________ ) _,'| _.-''``-...___..--'; /, \'. _..-' , ,--...--''' < \ .`--''' ` /| `-,;' ; ; ; __...--'' __...--_..' .;.' (,__....----''' (,..--'' Pat Tamarin ___________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: 17 Mar 96 21:27:26 EST From: "Jake (Rynath *OIB*)" <102744.2515-+AT+-compuserve.com> To: M-L mailing list Subject: Re: Author! Author! Message-ID: <960318022725_102744.2515_GHT169-1-+AT+-CompuServe.COM> Edward wrote: . If you like Eddings, definately read the Elenium(Diamond .Throne, Ruby Knight, Saphire Rose) and then read the Tamuli(Domes .of Fire, The Shining Ones, The Hidden City). If you liked the .Belgariad and the Mallorean, definately read _Belgarath the .Sorcerer_, it's absolutely incredible. I know. I did. :) To: M-L mailing list Subject: Re: Casting Message-ID: <960318040254_102744.2515_GHT61-1-+AT+-CompuServe.COM> Lady Becky wrote: . Wait a second, isn't Kris supposed to have a snobby attitude? I .still think he's perfect for the role. I definitely agree with you about .Kate Beckinsale and Robert Sean Leonard, they're perfect for Jisa and .Treven. Now the really hard question, is *Who would play the gryphons?* Gryphons, hertasi, and other fanciful creatures could be done by three companies: Jim Henson Studios, Pixar, or ILM. JH Studios did that big gryphon with a silver ball for their muppets program that ran in the 80's in the evenings (not "The Muppet Show.") That means they have the technique and ability to create more. Pixar (who did "Toy Story") could computer-animate gryphons, mixing them in with real-life actors on screen. This could be more expensive, but it would look cooler. I'm a Communication Arts senior at St. John's University, and I've seen the other stuff they've done... it would be real easy to combine the two. And "Toy Story" was great! ILM could combine the two. They're doing a re-issue of "Star Wars IV: A New Hope" that's coming out (hopefully) sometime in 1997, where they'e re-digitizing sound and adding scenes. They're also combining 90's computer graphics with the 70's movie. They could use a combination of puppetry and SFX to do it... in fact, they've worked with Jim Henson Studios before in the Star Wars Trilogy, so it shouldn't be a problem for them to do it again. Of course, we could just animate the whole thing and make it easier. I wouldn't give it to any American studio to animate, however, since they'd ruin the story. So we'd turn it over to Japan and then they can do an anime on it. :) My lady, I know you meant this as a what *actor* could play the gryphons, but I wonder how they're going to combine the fanciful creatures with the human creatures. :) Shade and Sweet Water to You, ========================== Rynath (OIB) / Jake ======================= "There can always be another headless corpse. But true love--that comes around only once." -- Perry White, "Lois and Clark." ========================102744.2515-+AT+-compuserve.com =================== ------------------------------ Date: 17 Mar 96 23:03:03 EST From: "Jake (Rynath *OIB*)" <102744.2515-+AT+-compuserve.com> To: M-L mailing list Subject: Re: First books... Message-ID: <960318040303_102744.2515_GHT61-2-+AT+-CompuServe.COM> Jill wrote: .Heather Watson wrote (at some point this weekend :): .. .>Why don't the authors who are capable of doing very innovative, .>exciting work (i.e. Tailchaser's Song), DO that, and leave the .>Tolkien rip-offs to people who aren't creative enough to do anything .>else? Yes! I think this goes too to all the good fantasy writers who jump into urban fantasy because they think it's cool. Keep the urban fantasy to the people who can write it well! .. . I *loved* that book! I think that "Tailchaser's Song", with .Anne McCaffrey's "Dragonsong" and Terry Brooks' "Magic Kingdom for .Sale" were the first fantasy novels I ever read (and here I am, a .decade later, hooked on `em!). That's got me curious -- what similar .experiences like that have the rest of you had? I liked _Magic Kingdom For Sale--Sold!_ a lot. My first exposure to fantasy was through fantasy RPG's, so I started with the pulpy TSR R novels. I was more of a scifi/urban fantasy fan myself, and I really stayed with the books with the tried-and-true formula. Sure, I read the occasional fantasy book or two, but they were swamped in a sea of campy Dr. Who and Star Trek novels. My first obsessive exposure to fantasy, the thing that set me on the terrible downward spiral into my imagination, happened only a couple of months ago when someone (and you know who you are!) told me about Misty's books and I stupidly decided to buy _Children of the Night_. Then I got the Last Herald-Mage trilogy, and I spent the next two or three months reading *every* Misty book I could get my hands on. Then Eddings. Et cetera. Et cetera. The used bookseller is happy, though--I bought out all her scifi, now I'm attacking her fantasy!! I had a baaaaaaaaaad experience with Tolkien, and I thought a lot of the fantasy out there was ridiculous, epic, and confusing. But now I am a man obsessed, addicted to real fantasy novels! Now, the gaming aspect of fantasy is one thing--I've been involved with that for over twelve years (*gasp,* because I realize now that I started gaming when I was nine!) and I've read the TSR R fantasy stuff (Ravenloft, Dragonlance, etc.) but I never went berserk with them the way I've done with Misty and then Eddings. The only problem is that I keep running out of shelf space! There's books piled all over (since I read very quickly) and my "to read" pile is always too small. Shade and Sweet Water to You, ========================== Rynath (OIB) / Jake ======================= "There can always be another headless corpse. But true love--that comes around only once." -- Perry White, "Lois and Clark." ========================102744.2515-+AT+-compuserve.com =================== ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Mar 1996 23:22:47 -0500 (EST) From: Adrienne York To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: ranting about the Gods Message-ID: On Sun, 17 Mar 1996, Heather Watson wrote: > No, I don't think it's remotely like being born into poverty or to the > landed nobility. Extreme wealth, like extreme poverty, are social > constructs that human beings, in their not-so-infinite wisdom, have > created. Companions are the direct work of the gods. So a poor person > is reaping the cosmic effects of a system they didn't create, but only a > Hardornen is reaping the cosmic effects of the gods not choosing to let > them in on the good stuff. But Companions, or rather, the Heraldic system, isn't the direct work of the Gods. Or, only as much as say, Tarma's being in any one place at any one time is the work of the Star-Eyed. Valdemar asked, the gods gave an answer, of sorts, and then Valdemar and his son had to figure out how to use what they were given. They could have sent a Companion to the Court of all of their neighboring kingdoms, particularly when they started foaling. They could have offered to foster the heirs of neighbors in the hope that some of them would get Companions. They could have started conquering they're neighboring lands and had Companions run all through them. Any number of things could have happened which the gods chose not to dictate. > I expect humans to be unjust. I don't see any need to worship > humans, and I don't see any need to worship a god who is only going to > be as just as a human -- no, I don't even care about justice. As > compassionate as a human. It's jolly nice that Vkandis wants to protect > the alliance with Valdemar so much that he's willing to step in. Tell > it to the generations of children who were burned at the stake, who were > evidently not important enough. We know he COULD have stopped it at any > time, and he DIDN'T. Because it wasn't *important* enough. Well, > damned if I'm going to bow down to anything or anyone who doesn't > consider me as an individual important. No, it wasn't the importance of it. The alliance with Valdemar was so important because otherwise most of the known world would be utterly destroyed and if they did work together there was the chance, just the chance, mind you, that things would be worked out. Individuals aren't that important unless they're at the center of world-changing events. Vkandis is not going to step in unless the fate of the world, or at least all of Karse, depends on his stepping in. He didn't step in with those kids because the humans could have fixed it themselves; it didn't depend on his interference. The mage storms did. So he stepped in. > And no, I don't believe in miracles. I hate all those stupid stories > about how "God made sure my car stalled so I wasn't in that intersection > when the pileup occured." Great, so if it's my sister who gets mangled > in a twisted heap of metal, then it's because she didn't have the right > pull with God. Apparently she wasn't important, or she didn't pray to > the right diety, or often enough, or hadn't led the right kind of life, > or hey, that's the breaks, but this lady over here gets divine > protection anyway so hahaha. People die because they die, and I don't > believe for one second that God saves or destroys based on merit or > significance. If I did, I'd take the fact that I'm still alive as proof > that I'm morally superior to, say, the kids on the last schoolbus that > wrecked and burned. No, that's not a miracle; that's statistics. If you put enough car wrecks and enough stalls together, someone's going to miss a wreck because of a stall because they were lucky number 67,890,765,239. I'm talking about a real miracle, like spontaneous cancer remissions which, according to everything anyone's been able to discover about cancer, shouldn't happen. Things like that. And if you don't believe they ever exist, I feel sorry for you. I don't know how those get handed out and whether or what gods are involved. > I don't know if this makes me like the state of Utah or not. I do > think that banning all activities was better than allowing only, say, > certain religious groups to meet on campus, but nothing that the school > board didn't approve of. Shows a certain amount of even-handedness, > even if only because Utah's own Sen. Hatch was responsible for the law > that makes it illegal to discriminate against student-run groups who > want to use school grounds to meet. Treating everyone under the same > set of rules hardly accounts for everything, but it's worth something, I > think. I think the state of Utah could have made worse decisions, and with such a homophobic religious majority, probably the best decision was made considering their political makeup. But I also think saying that if I can't pick who comes to the party or even know ahead of time who's going to break the pinata, then I won't play. i'd rather go to the party and have a good time with whoever is there that i can talk to. _____________________________________________________________________________ L'enfant terrible ayork-+AT+-simons-rock.edu Grand Destinies lead to Grand Funerals. -Mercedes Lackey ------------------------------ End of MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 423 *********************************