MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 429 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Eddings! :) by Raingcats-+AT+-aol.com 2) Re: Casting by mrtmh-+AT+-primenet.com (puppies and dragons) 3) oh ye goddess above.. by catwoman 4) That's not entirely true.. by catwoman 5) re: the twins (was Jadrek the twins,etc.) by CDyeboston-+AT+-aol.com 6) re: Summoned to Tourney/female friends by CDyeboston-+AT+-aol.com 7) quick comments by CDyeboston-+AT+-aol.com 8) Re: Eddings! :) by dbush-+AT+-usa.pipeline.com (dbush) 9) Re: Eddings :) by The Mage of Green Silences 10) Re: OFF Re: Bedlam Bards NO OBMISTY by The Mage of Green Silences 11) Cat People/Ladies in Green/etc. by LSFG20A-+AT+-prodigy.com (MS KIM H MILLER) 12) Re: Anime! by catwoman 13) Re: Eddings by dbackhau-+AT+-isou10.estec.esa.nl 14) ADMIN: double messages. Now fixed. by mel (Melanie Dymond Harper) 15) Re: Something more pleasant about the Gods by STOKES J <95662014-+AT+-mmu.ac.uk> 16) Re: Cat People/Ladies in Green/etc. by Rosario Holsen-Baker 17) Eric & Kory by Heather Watson 18) Re:Eddings by "Jill" 19) Re:Eddings by "Charis Stewart" 20) Those d****d confusing groups! by Rosario Holsen-Baker 21) Re: Female Bonding by Birgit Hanel 22) Re: Eric & Kory by ROZANM-+AT+-webster.nl (Rozanna McNeer) 23) Re: OFF-Re: Paul Gallico by The Mage of Green Silences 24) Re: Casting by Elisa Shapiro 25) re: female raltionships by ROZANM-+AT+-webster.nl (Rozanna McNeer) 26) Re: Casting by Elisa Shapiro 27) Re: ADMIN: the How and Why book of Listservers (was: Ohhhh Listmistress...) by Roger Dahl 28) ohhhh listmistress - HELP by ROZANM-+AT+-webster.nl (Rozanna McNeer) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 20:10:21 -0500 From: Raingcats-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Eddings! :) Message-ID: <960319201020_250361673-+AT+-emout09.mail.aol.com> I LOVE David Eddings' books! Right now I'm in the middle of the fourth book in the Belgariad series. GREAT books! Did you know that he is 65 years old? He was born in 1931 so I just di the math and it turns out he is a senior citizen! Weird huh? I never thought of him as old.... hmm I wonder how old Mercedes Lackey is? Does anyone know? Zhai'helleva! Lady Moonsong An Honorable Lady In Green Raingcats-+AT+-aol.com "Comedy is simply a funny way of being serious." - Peter Ustinov ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 19:43:50 -0700 (MST) From: mrtmh-+AT+-primenet.com (puppies and dragons) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Casting Message-ID: <199603200243.TAA19165-+AT+-usr4.primenet.com> > >I love the statement that I've been seeing spread across my school... Our >psychology/philosophy teacher had a poster up that said "Mabey history got >the facts a little too straight." The poster displayed the faces of bi/gay >figures out of history like Walt Whitman... Our prinicipal saw it as a bad >influence and forced the teacher to take it down... A bunch of the students >from his classes (me included) took the poster and had it screen printed >onto T-Shirts that we wear to school... Let's just say administration isn't >too thrilled with us... Especially when, on October 11, half the school >came in matching purple T-shirts bearing a pink triangle on the front and >back and the words "Don't assume I'm straight, don't assume I'm not" in bold >print... ;) > > Shadow-Lover, I have something very important to say I WANT ONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!<--look, lots! And the poster too! Have any ideas as to where I can get them? That would be interesting to wear to school, just to make them wonder... And maybe it'll give Shannon some support, poor girl. If you don't want to post it to the list my addy is mrtmh-+AT+-primenet.com THANKS!!!!!<--look five! Lady 'Reesa ****************************************************************************** "True...if Valerie hadn't saved me I'd have been cut in half...and half of an assassin is just an ass." Sam, from "Villians By Necessity" by Eve Forward "Everything important about males and females is exactly the same...except guys are idiots." From "NeverNever" by Will Shetterly ****************************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 18:53:29 -0800 From: catwoman To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: oh ye goddess above.. Message-ID: <199603200253.SAA28410-+AT+-inreach.com> At 15:44 3/19/96 GMT, you wrote: >> Mona rocks! She's pretty darn nifty, but I liked her much better when she >> came down off of her "slut" stage and was more or less normal. well, normal >> for the Mayfair family anyways. > She was interesting in her "slut" stage. I wish I had the >opportunities she had with Michael Curry....I can think of a >few.....makes me wish I'd been born in an incredibly inbred *large* >family with a penchant for psychic powers. :) That would be quite an interesting thing, to have those powers. I think i'd be scared witless to know that I was able to control that much power and direct toward whatever I wished. Kinda like being a Mage, I guess. >> > ObMisty: There are no Mayfairs on Velgarth. :) >> ObMisty: Its a good thing there are no Mayfairs in Valdemar. :) >ObMisty: Mona Mayfair meets Firesong! And the world blows up. :) oh dear.. ObMisty: Picture: The Mayfairs as the royal family of Valdemar. :) -catwoman-+AT+-inreach.com still looking for a spiffy sig.. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 18:53:27 -0800 From: catwoman To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: That's not entirely true.. Message-ID: <199603200253.SAA28404-+AT+-inreach.com> At 05:25 3/19/96 GMT, you wrote: > >All of this brings me to the Misty question I have. In the Di Tregarde >novels, as well as the Arrows, why is it that there are so few really >important women relationships? I don't mean sexual ones. You'd think that over the years she'd aquire > a few more women as friends. And in the Arrow's Fall, Talia seems to >work out all of her real problems with her male friends (ie: Skif, >Kris). It's like, its okay for her to have fun and share things with her >female friends, but if it's important and painful, she has to take it to >a man. Now, I'm not trying to bash men or anything (please don't read >this message along those lines), but it seems like Misty is incapable of >writing about strong female relationships with out putting a man in it >somewheres. Remember, Talia did turn to Sherril and Keren a great deal, not just fun and games, IIRC. It was Keren who pulled Talia out of the ice when she was pushed under by the blues, remember. There are *some* but not as many as in other books. In a way its a bit of a relief. In most books, women stick with women, men stick with men. A bit of a change is a good thing. -catwoman-+AT+-inreach.com still looking for a spiffy sig.. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 22:28:35 -0500 From: CDyeboston-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: re: the twins (was Jadrek the twins,etc.) Message-ID: <960319222834_250514690-+AT+-emout07.mail.aol.com> I mentioned that it was clear that Kris would be King and his sister Monarch's Own, and Adrienne asked for the ref (which I had blanked out on.) After much searching, I located it. The beginning of Winds of Change, as Elspeth is ruminating upon things prior to her induction into the Tayledras' clan as Wingsib. p. 16 US HB "And it wasn't a premonition of "doom" or anything like one. IT was just the feeling that she was never going to rule. That one of the twins was going to have the throne, and the other-- _The other would be King's Own. Not a bad arrangement, since they aren't at all alike. Wouldn't be the first time that sibs were Monarch and Monarch's Own._" Now Elspeth, being the Heir, is probably an authority on the law of succession in Valdemar, so we can be sure that she has taken that into account. Selenay makes the twins joint-heir presumptives in Winds of Fury, but I'd guess that Kris is the elder by some minutes, or there is some legalistic preference toward males. Or Elspeth has had a genuine premonition. Her thoughts distinguish between "King's Own" and "Monarch's Own" within moments, though, so it isn't just a matter of carelessness. Yoicks! and Away! Cindy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 22:28:50 -0500 From: CDyeboston-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: re: Summoned to Tourney/female friends Message-ID: <960319222848_250514959-+AT+-emout08.mail.aol.com> Heather said that the book was a cop-out because Kory and Eric didn't lust after each other. (bad paraphrase, but basically she was saying that the sexual tension between them which was apparent in _Knight of Ghosts and Shadows_ was ignored in the sequel.) I disagree. We only get two glimpses of potentially lustful situations, one of which is Kory kissing Beth (while Eric is not present) and the other of which is a shower that all three participate in. After that, things hit the fan and there isn't time for lust. Sure, when they're making declarations of love, they do it to both of the other partners, but I felt that it was because this is a _triad_, rather than a pair with a loose end sticking out. On a similar note, Stormcloud noted today that it seems like men write about gay women and women write about gay men. Yep. I noticed that a while ago. Especially in fanzines. And erotica written for male audiences has a lot of female-female couplings. A friend of mine calls it the "can't decide which one I'd rather sleep with" phenomenon. (Although there's gotta be more to it than that ). And many of the authors writing to opposites are straight themselves. And most of the audiences are straight too, unless the author happened to be very good and write something which reflected reality a little more accurately than usual. If you're interested in the topic from an academic viewpoint, try to find _Enterprising Women_ by Camille Bacon-Smith. (Title is right, author maybe). It's a sociological study of media fandom and a fascinating read. Yoicks! and Away! Cindy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 22:38:06 -0500 From: CDyeboston-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: quick comments Message-ID: <960319222839_250514798-+AT+-emout06.mail.aol.com> re: Protestations of innocence. Gyrfalcon disclaims any connection with the MIW. I believe you, Gyr. Honest I do! Now just slip your arms into the nice jacket with the looonnngggg sleeves and we'll not worry about it any more. re: the arrow code I think Elspeth knew about the existence of the code. She probably didn't know exact meanings, and almost certainly didn't know that the fletchings had been altered. Which reminds me, given that the Heralds have to memorize tons and tons of stuff (like the news they carry from one place to another) why don't they have to memorize the names of all the Heralds and Companions? Especially Talia, who, we presume, will be advising Selenay on whom to send where? In AFlight she keeps meeting Heralds she doesn't know! re: Merovingen Nights I liked 'em too -- except for the last one! Yoicks! and Away! Cindy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Mar 1996 04:33:44 GMT From: dbush-+AT+-usa.pipeline.com (dbush) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Eddings! :) Message-ID: <199603200433.EAA22212-+AT+-pipe17.h1.usa.pipeline.com> (Donning flame resistant suit) Is there anyone out there besiders me who doesn't like Eddings? Sure, the Belgariad was ok, but just how many times can the man get away with writing the same story? His bio says that he started writng fantasy to develope certain ideas of his about the genre. As far as I can see his only idea is that all fantasy stories should be the same. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Mar 1996 00:13:35 -0500 (EST) From: The Mage of Green Silences To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Eddings :) Message-ID: On Tue, 19 Mar 1996, Rosario Holsen-Baker wrote: > On Tue, 19 Mar 1996, Jake (Rynath *OIB*) wrote: > > > ObMisty: Misty doesn't name her trilogies after her characters. (The Taliad? > > The Vanyelloreon? The Tarmkethruli? The Kerowynium? No!) > > > Eeeyuch! Why *does* he do that, anyway? I > don't know of any author who does that. The _______ Chronicles, yes, The > Whatever Trilogy, The Thingumajigger Tales, but nothing like that. Actually, I like the fact that he gives his series titles. I hate it when an author writes a series and either never gives it a name, or waits until somewhere in the series to do so. I also like the extra bit of imagination that he put into his names. It is an extra little filip that adds a touch of grace to the series. For that matter, look at the Di Tregarde books. That is the only name for the series. I could wish that Misty had taken the time to come up with a real series title. May the seas be your solace and the forests a refuge for your spirit, Cennydd, Mage of the Green Silences. Eu guardo a luz das estrelas a alma de cada folha Sem folhas nao tem vida, Sem folhas nao tem nada, Salve as folhas! Kenneth Allen Hyde | No matter how subtle the wizard, a knife Univ. of Delaware | between the shoulder blades will seriously Dept. of Linguistics | cramp his style -- Old Jhereg proverb kenny-+AT+-strauss.udel.edu | A mind is a terrible toy to waste! -- Me ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Mar 1996 00:41:08 -0500 (EST) From: The Mage of Green Silences To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: OFF Re: Bedlam Bards NO OBMISTY Message-ID: On Wed, 20 Mar 1996, Jake (Rynath *OIB*) wrote: > Kat wrote: > .I have to disagree here on one note. I often find that controlled writing > .in accents adds to (not detracts from) the atmosphere of the work. Often > .I do find it distracting to read a book written with constant accent, but > .I think that a talented writer can insinuate the occational word to make > .the character more realistic. Afterall, as we are learning in my english > .class, modernist writers often tell the whole story in the manner of > .their narrator or vary it by which character they are centering on. > > You're right. What I *said* was (as the sentence before the cut and the last > sentence in the cut explains) that some writers seem use this technique only for > its effect, and it's done badly when it's constantly used! I urge you to take a > look at the books I talked about to see what I mean. > > I'm not talking about an occasional word or two, I'm talking about a constant > *stream* of accented dialogue or mistyped slang throughout the work, every > sentence. Accented dialogue is a tool. It's a technique that works well if its > used sparingly. I don't know if I agree with that assertion. I can think of a couple of books that use accented dialog constantly, but to very good effect. One fantasy novel that comes to mind is "The Phoenix Guards" and "Five Hundred Years After" by Steven Brust. Now, admittedly, this is not the standard type of accent, but I would argue that the entire novel (dialogue, exposition, narration, etc.) is written in a very specific dialect of English. Another novel that I thought made excellent extensive use of accented dialogue is "Love Comes Softly" by Janette Oke. This is a Christian fiction novel set on the American frontier during the mid-1800's. (The novel is actually quite good, if a little preachy--something that I find obtrusive since I am not Christian.) She uses the same device quite extensively, and to even better effect, in her series of novels describing the life of a Canadian couple (he is in the RCMP) and their interaction with settlers from many different nationalities, native americans, etc. Frankly, I was both fascinated and amazed, as a linguist and literary comparativist, at how deftly Oke handled the dialogue and how sensitive she was to the sociolinguistic information and nuances of a multidialectal community. May the seas be your solace and the forests a refuge for your spirit, Cennydd, Mage of the Green Silences. Eu guardo a luz das estrelas a alma de cada folha Sem folhas nao tem vida, Sem folhas nao tem nada, Salve as folhas! Kenneth Allen Hyde | No matter how subtle the wizard, a knife Univ. of Delaware | between the shoulder blades will seriously Dept. of Linguistics | cramp his style -- Old Jhereg proverb kenny-+AT+-strauss.udel.edu | A mind is a terrible toy to waste! -- Me ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 02:12:06 EST From: LSFG20A-+AT+-prodigy.com (MS KIM H MILLER) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Cat People/Ladies in Green/etc. Message-ID: <097.03965711.LSFG20A-+AT+-prodigy.com> Could someone please explain to me about the Cat People and Ladies in Green? Are they factions within this user group? Is there something I'm missing out on??? Please advise! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Mar 1996 00:05:34 -0800 From: catwoman To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Anime! Message-ID: <199603200805.AAA04343-+AT+-inreach.com> At 05:08 3/20/96 GMT, you wrote: >> YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I can picture it now! Vampire Hunter D >> sans that hat wouldn't be a bad Van, don'tcha think?! :) And anyone >> who's seen Sailor Moon can argue that even if he was a bad guy >> Malachite (Kunzite) had the perfect Hawkbrother look! (And he was >> shaych, too!) >I'd have to agree on all counts! I could also imagine a Vows and Honor >parody featuring A-ko as Tarma and B-ko as Kethry A-ko would make an ok Tarma but B-ko as Kethry?!?!? PUH-lease. I got *so* sick of her.. throw Akane Tendo in as Kero, maybe? Ranma as... Taylendras or something? -catwoman-+AT+-inreach.com still looking for a spiffy sig.. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Mar 96 10:06:20 +0100 From: dbackhau-+AT+-isou10.estec.esa.nl To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Eddings Message-ID: <9603200906.AA21947-+AT+-isou10.estec.esa.nl> Lyn wrote: > *Is* there something out there *besides* alt.books.fan.eddings? an' Jill wrote: > Not that I know of ... but if someone else does, tell me too!!! an' then Lady Moonsong wrote: > Is there a David Eddings mailing list? (pant, pant, drool, drool) Sooo, to my trusty Web site, do a search on david eddings and you get:- http://f_utbserv.cse.hks.se/~sy5frp/Eddings/English_Eddings.html http://talen.mit.edu/eddings.html http://w3.one.net/~halldp/afe.html http://linnea.asogy.stockholm.se/~mp95askm/David_Eddings/ http://www.evitech.fi/~janijj/Eddings.html etc, etc, etc, etc. If you dont't have Web access, then I suppose they're not a lot of use, but there's a lot out there if you do. tot ziens, Esmeralda Evensbane (unaffiliated) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Mar 1996 10:11:29 GMT From: mel (Melanie Dymond Harper) To: mercedes-lackey Subject: ADMIN: double messages. Now fixed. Message-ID: <9603201011.AA15516-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk> Apologies for the occasional double message that went through last night; the server decided to get its virtual knickers in a twist from just after I left the office (wouldn't you know ...) until about 23:30. Should now be sorted. Cheers Mel. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Mar 1996 12:08:01 GMT From: STOKES J <95662014-+AT+-mmu.ac.uk> To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Something more pleasant about the Gods Message-ID: <31B16CF2287-+AT+-EXCALIBUR.MMU.AC.UK> From: Heather Watson > Misty should hire a friendly linguist to develop a Berlitz course >in Shin'a'in and Tayledras, like the nice folks at Paramount did with >Klingon. We could even have language-immersion camps Doesn't that >sound better than whatever you were planning for this summer? >Think of me, think of me fondly.... >HTH Count me in on that. I'd love to spend a summer with like minded people learning Shin'a'in etc. As I'm going to be at summer camp anyway this year it wouldn't be that different from what I'd planned Kalen shena Vuysher'edras ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Mar 1996 08:08:36 -0500 (EST) From: Rosario Holsen-Baker To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Cat People/Ladies in Green/etc. Message-ID: > Could someone please explain to me about the Cat People and > Ladies in Green? > > Are they factions within this user group? Sigh.....all right, one more time. I really have to get that page up. Yes, they are factions within this group. It started with a mock-threat from Shadow-Lover when the Piers Anthony content of the list got too high, then escalated to a projectile fight. *That* escalated to a Mage-Duel, which escalated to a Mage-WAR, then went back to the duel. While all of this was going on, different factions were being formed to combat the Men In White (Gyr, you handle those questions, or give me your stuff for the page). Two of those factions are the Ladies In Green and the Cat People. And having said that, I am obliged to make an obligatory pitch for membership. JOIN US! JOIN US! JOIN US! :) Hee hee. :) *****LADY JAGUAR***** Leader of the Cat People Lady in Green LGMCB, DHTBB Lobe #3! "Meddle not in the affairs of cats for you are soft-skinned, and blind at night." ********************* ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Mar 1996 07:53:55 CST From: Heather Watson To: Subject: Eric & Kory Message-ID: <20MAR96.08530689.0019.MUSIC-+AT+-NEMOMUS> I dunno, Cindy. They were pretty busy in the first book, too, and it seemed to work there to show their attraction. I think established lovers would be more *likely* to lean on each other in times of crisis, and to depend on their love for one another. I'd have to read the book again for exacts, but I remember the scene that frustrated me the most. Kory steps in to defend Eric (from the scientist, I believe), and gives a stirring speech about how Eric is his friend and his family and she'll have to go through Kory first. I just couldn't imagine him only describing Beth as friend & family. Maybe I'm a hopeless romantic, but had I been Kory, I would have thrown "the man I love" into the mix there somewhere. And does anyone else think that series is currently very *unresolved*? Kory's tossing all these fears about the future around, and they're never dealt with. I'm still not convinced that Kory will stay until Beth and Eric get old and die. My she'enedra felt the same way, but a bunch of people at the QO Collegium at Dragoncon told us we were crazy. I think there's plenty that needs to be told in a third book, even if Baen is getting bitchy and cancelling the series. First Diana, now this. Sigh. I liked Bedlam Boyz. I thought it was nice to see some moral ambiguity in one of Misty's worlds (though there's some in the Di Tregarde series too). Bad guys who *weren't* ultimate evil, and might have had motivations for some of their actions, other than "Because I'm evil. Really, I thought you would have figured that out by now." (Transylvania 6-5000 reference). Not everyone who shoots someone else is Ancar or an Unseighlie elf. HTH ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Mar 1996 08:45:09 EDT From: "Jill" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re:Eddings Message-ID: <2F4EB93C1B-+AT+-pub.sbu.edu> Interesting to see how everyone's dividing on the Eddings issues ... I like Eddings. And I didn't think the admittedly looooong Belariad and Mallorean were harmed by by their length and devotion to one story. :) In fact, I must admit a certain fondness for, shall we say, time-consuming story lines - I like Robert Jordan's Wheel of Time, too, and THAT one is supposed to go to 10 books or more, too. The Chronicles of the Cheysuli, by Jennifer Roberson, is one of my favorite series of all time, and extends over eight books and 6 generations (if memory serves). Just my $.02. BTW --- After the kind of response I recieved at the mention of a McCaffrey/Pern mailing list, I trying to see what I can do. :) If I work something out, I'll post it here. Jill Morrison /// morrisjm-+AT+-sbu.edu /// Merlyn3109-+AT+-aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- "And that's such a shame, because that stranger is the Puck in the midden, the part of us that makes gold out of trash, poetry out of nonsense. It calls art forth from common sights and music from ordinary sound and without it, the world would be a very grey place indeed." - From "A Tempest in her Eyes" "The Ivory and the Horn" by Charles de Lint ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Mar 1996 15:20:15 +0000 From: "Charis Stewart" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re:Eddings Message-ID: Jill Morrison said > In fact, I must admit a certain fondness for, shall > we say, time-consuming story lines To digress totally from this list's topic, I am divided on the subject of seemingly endless numbers of books in a series. It works in some cases as when each book can more or less be taken on its own, ie a lot of McCaffrey, Star Trek etc, and I loved the _Magician_ books by Raymond E. Feist but even in these after the second or third I got really repetative and boring (although the ones with Janny Wurts about the Empire are truely a gift of the Gods) It also seems to me to be a useful way of extracting more hard earned cash which could be better spent on truely innovative, fresh work and new authors. Thank you all for listening. Love Charis. _______________________ |Charis Stewart | |Charis.Stewart-+AT+-ed.ac.uk| |_______________________| ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Mar 1996 10:58:49 -0500 (EST) From: Rosario Holsen-Baker To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Those d****d confusing groups! Message-ID: The groups FAQ is now up! I have basic backgrounds for the Cat People, the Wolves, and the Ones In Black. Am needing backgrounds for the Ladies In Green and the Sunbolts. Gyr, they're your creations, you're responsible for the Men In White. Submit something or I'm going to make up my own story, and it won't be pretty. >:) *****LADY JAGUAR***** Leader of the Cat People Lady in Green LGMCB, DHTBB Lobe #3! "Meddle not in the affairs of cats for you are soft-skinned, and blind at night." ********************* ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Mar 1996 17:04:43 +0100 (CET) From: Birgit Hanel To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Female Bonding Message-ID: On Tue, 19 Mar 1996, Heather Watson wrote: > You have no idea how much I'd like to see a book that centers around > a really interesting female romance in the way that LHM or Swordspoint > does around the male romances. Not that I didn't *love* those books. I > did. But when do I get my turn? (Okay, Gossamer Axe was pretty good. > But still.) > > HTH > Yes, that's one thing I always wanted to ask Misty, that she should write a book with a major shaych female character like she did the LHM-trilogy. (pleasepleasepleasepleasepleeeeease, I promise I will be a true devotee from now on and do a morning- and an evening-prayer in front of my Misty-altar every day :-)) Well, as some small comfort there's her short story "A different kind of courage" in one of the Darkover anthologies. I think that's an "early Misty", so to speak, her first professional sale or thereabouts, but still very good. And I would like to see more Tayledras women! IIRC there's just Dawnfire and only in WoFate. But there are LOTS of male Tayledras, Darkwind, Firesong, Wintermoon, the guys from LHM etc. Even the council of Elders seemed to consist of men mostly. Doesn't mean I don't like the characters, but still...for the sake of balance, maybe. Khenta* ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Mar 1996 17:05:38 GMT+0200 From: ROZANM-+AT+-webster.nl (Rozanna McNeer) To: Heather Watson , Subject: Re: Eric & Kory Message-ID: <31503091.webster-+AT+-mail.webster.nl> I agree with Heather completely on this one. And I must admit, I liked the Bards series a lot more than I liked the SERRAted edge series. It could be that I just don't like cars that much (like the girl in Jinx High said (paraphrase), metal-plated mega-farts and turbo blah- blah just ain't my schtick) Has anyone else picked up In Celebration of Lammas Night yet?, It will be in my possession by friday (cackle with glee, rub greedy paws together) Anway, I would like to see more of Kory, Beth and Eric, too. I can't believe that Baen would cancel such a wonderul series! (indignant growl) Lady Rozanna IV ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Mar 1996 11:33:22 -0500 (EST) From: The Mage of Green Silences To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: OFF-Re: Paul Gallico Message-ID: On Wed, 20 Mar 1996 Soljan-+AT+-aol.com wrote: > What does Mea culpa mean? I've been wondering about that for some time, > and now seems like a good time to ask. > > Silvermoon > Lady in Green :-) > Mea culpa is Latin for "through my own fault." It is like saying "my mistake" only more so. If you really want to be intense you can say "mea magna culpa" which means "through my great fault." Incedentally, the phrase is from the Latin liturgy of the Catholic church and is part of the "confesso" or confession of sins. It has always been one of my favorite parts of the Mass, because it reminds us that sin (or harm) can be due to inaction as well as action. Mind you, since I am not Christian, I have a radically different orientation to the liturgy, but I still think that it has much of universal value. Kenny, Who fell away years ago, and went *completely* over the edge. May the seas be your solace and the forests a refuge for your spirit, Mage of the Green Silences. Eu guardo a luz das estrelas a alma de cada folha Sem folhas nao tem vida, Sem folhas nao tem nada, Salve as folhas! Kenneth Allen Hyde | No matter how subtle the wizard, a knife Univ. of Delaware | between the shoulder blades will seriously Dept. of Linguistics | cramp his style -- Old Jhereg proverb kenny-+AT+-strauss.udel.edu | A mind is a terrible toy to waste! -- Me ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Mar 1996 12:39:25 -0500 (EST) From: Elisa Shapiro To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Casting Message-ID: On Tue, 19 Mar 1996, Shadow-Lover wrote: > I love the statement that I've been seeing spread across my school... Our > psychology/philosophy teacher had a poster up that said "Mabey history got > the facts a little too straight." The poster displayed the faces of bi/gay > figures out of history like Walt Whitman... Our prinicipal saw it as a bad > influence and forced the teacher to take it down... A bunch of the students > from his classes (me included) took the poster and had it screen printed > onto T-Shirts that we wear to school... Let's just say administration isn't > too thrilled with us... Cool! I've seen that Poster, they have it hanging in the gay youth group around here, and I have a postcard that says basically the same thing with a few added names like Amelia Earhart (okay so I can't spell) and Elanor Roosevelt. You don't happen to have any extras of that tee-shirt lying around do you? I'd be willing to buy one. What school is this anyway? - Elisa http://mmm.mbhs.edu/~eshapiro i am a work in progress dressed in the fabric of a world unfolding - ani difranco ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Mar 1996 18:32:40 GMT+0200 From: ROZANM-+AT+-webster.nl (Rozanna McNeer) To: Rosario Holsen-Baker , Subject: re: female raltionships Message-ID: <31504355.webster-+AT+-mail.webster.nl> I think that really is an interesting issue. I don't know about the other female ML readers out there, but I know I get along much better with men than with women, partly because a large % of the women I know do only talk about clothes, sex, and what's on tv (as someone said earlier) [you forgot make-up :)] I've personally never been too concerned with how I look (out goes clothes and make-up),I don't talk about my private life or other's private lives unless I've known them for a long time and consider them trustworthy individuals (out goes the sex) and the only tv I watch is MTV, CNN, and Discovery Channel (not exactly Bev Hill 90210 or Baywatch). So that really cuts down on the conversation bit, especially since not many people read. Now what I want to know, is why don't many people read for fun?!? God knows I do -> I'm seriously ill if I don't read at least one book a day. I started reading MZB's Darkover series at the age of 8, and it was all downhill from there. Of course, when my male friends start talking about cars, guitars, or babes my eyes have a tendency to glaze over as well. But at least my friends don't go on and on and on about it forever. I don't know - I'm confused now - does anyone know what causes this absurd interest in appearances and tv???? Of my friends, I would say I only have 2 female friends outside my family, as opposed to 6 male friends. It would interesting to do a study relating female IQ to the ratio of male frinds they have. Hypothesis higher the IQ, higher the number of male friends. Then again, it could just be that where I live has a dearth of like-minded high IQ females for me to meet. ARGH! I'm going to stop babbling now - I don't know if any of this is coherent. Just my fl 0.05 (the Dutch don't have cents, just stuivers, or nickels) Lady Rozanna IV ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Mar 1996 12:57:36 -0500 (EST) From: Elisa Shapiro To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Casting Message-ID: On Wed, 20 Mar 1996, puppies and dragons wrote: > > And the poster too! Have any ideas as to where I can get them? > That would be interesting to wear to school, just to make them > wonder... And maybe it'll give Shannon some support, poor girl. If > you don't want to post it to the list my addy is > mrtmh-+AT+-primenet.com THANKS!!!!!<--look five! > > Lady 'Reesa > > Both the poster and tee-shirt slogan are kinda old (at least around here in the Mid-Atlantic states) I don't think they're being sold anymore. There is other stuff though, like the post card I mentioned and some other really cute tee-shirts and posters. I'll see if I still have the address for the catalog at home. - Elisa http://mmm.mbhs.edu/~eshapiro i am a work in progress dressed in the fabric of a world unfolding - ani difranco ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Mar 1996 16:25:53 GMT From: Roger Dahl To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: ADMIN: the How and Why book of Listservers (was: Ohhhh Listmistress...) Message-ID: <199603201625.QAA08431-+AT+-redleaf.bbs.no> Hi there, I thought I'd mention that the listserver software of this list is a bit strange, in that it does a few not very nice things. First, it removes "In-reply-to" and "references" headers from the mail. The effect of that is that the tree structure of mail is lost. A thread from this list may appear as this in my reader: [ 17: Birgit Hanel ] Re: Eddings! :) < 1: SHE WHO WORSHIPS GEO> < 17: Rosario Holsen-Baker> < 16: Tensen > < 18: Marissa K Lingen > < 41: 5INT627-+AT+-sc.maricopa.> < 37: Kerry Mealing > < 41: SHE WHO WORSHIPS GEO> That is, you can't see who answers what mails or anything. While a thread from another mailing-list I'm on might appear like this: [ 7: Leonya ] Re: leri-digest V1 #7 < 82: Jean Peterson > [ 53: Lamont Granquist ] [ 3: annie ] [ 159: annie ] [ 16: Jean Peterson ] Re: 10 o'clock news! (fwd) So you can see who's ansvered who and get a better overview of the discussion. This also makes it easier to sort out uninteresting stuff, for instance threads of discussions that has evolved into other things that you are not interested in etc. Also, this list software puts the receivers name in the "To:" header. So you can't see who the post was originally written to. Instead, all post appears to be to you personally. This has the other side-effect of confusing programs like "pine" who mark mail to you personally so it stands out in the overview list. You can no longer see the difference between personal mail and mailinglist mail. Maybe it's time to upgrade to more advanced listserver software :) -- -+*#*+- -+*#*+- -+*#*+- -+*# Roger Dahl - rd-+AT+-redleaf.bbs.no #*+- Now Hounds of Love are Hunting ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Mar 1996 19:40:48 GMT+0200 From: ROZANM-+AT+-webster.nl (Rozanna McNeer) To: vanyel.herald.co.uk!mel-+AT+-enterprise.cistron.nl (Melanie Dymond Harper), Subject: ohhhh listmistress - HELP Message-ID: <31505161.webster-+AT+-mail.webster.nl> Granted, this computer network at school is on ancient computers with low memory (256K! my copmuter at home has roughly 100 times as much!), but has been doing pretty well considering the pressure put on it. But for the past 4 days or so, whenever I try to go to the ML archives on the Net, the poor computer just has a fit - i.e., it decides that it needs to reboot itself. Even during off-peak hours. Is this because of the computer/ mail-server I have, or is it a result of the archives being soooo long? IIRC, the first date is more than a year ago. And before you ask, no I'm not getting e-mail or the net at home - I'm just a poor college student! Unless I can convince my parents to part with the bucks. Hmmmm..... Comments / suggestion on how to solve? Please?? Sincerely wishing that Webster U. offered more than Computers 101, Lady Rozanna IV (confused again!) ------------------------------ End of MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 429 *********************************