MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 430 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re:Eddings by EGLESTON-+AT+-bpl.org 2) Re: Cool bookstores in NYC (NMLC) by Mat Timmerman 3) Re: Those d****d confusing groups! by ROZANM-+AT+-webster.nl (Rozanna McNeer) 4) re: random by ROZANM-+AT+-webster.nl (Rozanna McNeer) 5) Re: Those d****d confusing groups! by Rosario Holsen-Baker 6) Re:Off-topic, killings by ROZANM-+AT+-webster.nl (Rozanna McNeer) 7) Just some snippets by mrtmh-+AT+-primenet.com (puppies and dragons) 8) White Coconut List by McCaffrey's White Dragon 9) Re: Anime! by "Stormcloud" 10) re: the twins (was Jadrek the twins,etc.) by Adrienne York 11) Re: First books ... by Soljan-+AT+-aol.com 12) That dreaded coconut war... by mrtmh-+AT+-primenet.com (puppies and dragons) 13) Off-topic, killings by Kat 14) Re: Anime! by "Jake (Rynath *OIB*)" <102744.2515-+AT+-compuserve.com> 15) Re:Off-topic, killings by Adrienne York 16) Re: Evil villians (was Re: ranting about the Gods) by "Jake (Rynath *OIB*)" <102744.2515-+AT+-compuserve.com> 17) Re: Eddings and Trilogies rant by "Jake (Rynath *OIB*)" <102744.2515-+AT+-compuserve.com> 18) Re: Female Bonding by Heather Watson 19) re: random by The Mage of Green Silences 20) Re:Off-topic, killings by The Mage of Green Silences 21) Re: Eric & Kory by "Jake (Rynath *OIB*)" <102744.2515-+AT+-compuserve.com> 22) Re: Something more pleasant about the Gods by Becky Anne Christensen 23) Re: Eddings and Trilogies rant by mrtmh-+AT+-primenet.com (puppies and dragons) 24) Re: First books ... by Becky Anne Christensen ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 20 Mar 1996 14:02:06 -0500 (EST) From: EGLESTON-+AT+-bpl.org To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re:Eddings Message-ID: <960320140206.b76-+AT+-bpl.org> :: she dons asbestos :: I don't like Eddings. Or Robert Jordan for that matter. I've tried, but I can never make it past chapter one. I did read Tolkien, but found it a slog until the middle of the Two Towers (then I read the rest in one night.) Epics just aren't my style, I guess. Yoicks! and Away! Cindy OB Misty: a good character can draw me to a long story -- especially if I have to wait for installments! (more Tarma and Kethry stories? please?) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Mar 1996 12:36:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Mat Timmerman To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Cool bookstores in NYC (NMLC) Message-ID: <01I2K8HP17ZC90PVSN-+AT+-vaxc.hofstra.edu> From: Stormcloud >The Strand: which is the be all and end all in used book stores. One is >located around 12th street and Broadway, and there's one near the south >street sea port. The one on 13th street (not 12th) and broadway doesn't have S&SIII. I looked, but in the SF section, there's mostly recent used books. > snip.. > >Forbidden Planet which is located right across the street from the Strand on >Broadway and 12th (maybe 13th) which has become more and more comic book >oriented, but it still has a ton of books. Forbidden Planet moved to the corner of 14th and Broadway, on the same side of the street as The Strand. Mat accmjt-+AT+-vaxc.hofstra.edu http://ada.hofstra.edu/~mtimme47/ "I don't care what you smell, just get in there!" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Mar 1996 20:27:40 GMT+0200 From: ROZANM-+AT+-webster.nl (Rozanna McNeer) To: Rosario Holsen-Baker , Subject: Re: Those d****d confusing groups! Message-ID: <31505f70.webster-+AT+-mail.webster.nl> Date sent: Wed, 20 Mar 1996 19:09:12 GMT Subject: Those d****d confusing groups! >The groups FAQ is now up! I have basic backgrounds for the Cat >People, the Wolves, and the Ones In Black. Am needing backgrounds for >the Ladies In Green and the Sunbolts. >Gyr, they're your creations, you're responsible for the Men In >White. Submit something or I'm going to make up my own story, and it >won't be pretty. >:) *****LADY JAGUAR***** where is the FAQ? at herald.co.uk? your homepage? where (pant, drool) by the way, have you considered archiving the mage war to date (casting TSR patented Major Globe of Invulnerabilty spell, putting on TSR pattented rings of Fire Resistance and Regeneration, building house of asbestos to cower in while bombs and missiles scream overhead) Lady Rozanna IV ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Mar 1996 20:51:46 GMT+0200 From: ROZANM-+AT+-webster.nl (Rozanna McNeer) To: The Mage of Green Silences , Subject: re: random Message-ID: <31506420.webster-+AT+-mail.webster.nl> I thought mea culpa meant "my sin", oh well. Re jake's movie mayhem list - did you know that Legend was first released in the States with a Hard Rock soundtrack, since the movie exec.'s thought Jerry Goldsmith's soundtrack would not go over well in the States? Can you believe it??? ObMisty: they don't have Metallica in Velgarth :) (or does the old man playing Kerowyn's Ride on the hurdy-gurdy fall into this category?) Lady Rozanna IV Sand-cat extraordinaire ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Mar 1996 15:13:26 -0500 (EST) From: Rosario Holsen-Baker To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Those d****d confusing groups! Message-ID: On Wed, 20 Mar 1996, Rozanna McNeer wrote: > where is the FAQ? at herald.co.uk? your homepage? where (pant, drool) > by the way, have you considered archiving the mage war to date > (casting TSR patented Major Globe of Invulnerabilty spell, putting on > TSR pattented rings of Fire Resistance and Regeneration, building > house of asbestos to cower in while bombs and missiles scream > overhead) > Actually, that's not a bad idea! I think I'll make it my spring break project (it's going to take a while!). I wanted to make sure the page actually worked, since I had a bit of time to proofread (oh my stars and garters, I actually had TIME! :), but the URL is: http://www.sidwell.edu/~rholsen/groups.html Shadow-Lover, I'll make it easy for you. Lop off the groups, etc, and you've got the URL for my page. :) *****LADY JAGUAR***** Leader of the Cat People Lady in Green LGMCB, DHTBB Lobe #3! "Meddle not in the affairs of cats for you are soft-skinned, and blind at night." ********************* ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Mar 1996 21:01:46 GMT+0200 From: ROZANM-+AT+-webster.nl (Rozanna McNeer) To: Korendil , Subject: Re:Off-topic, killings Message-ID: <315068cf.webster-+AT+-mail.webster.nl> Can someone tell me something (boy is this going to sound crass, brace yourselves) - why does the media, and people in general, tend to have a more violent reaction to the massacre of children (re dunblane incident, and OK city bombing). If the same number of adults had been killed in a drive by shooting kind of thing in the States, it would probably not make international headlines - but when children are involved, the story hits the headlines and stays there for a long time. I mean people are people, damn it, and why should age matter? How is the sorrow of losing someone age 5 greater than the sorrow of losing someone age 55? Had to get that off my chest - does anyone have an answer? Angry that all life is not held equally precious in the world, Lady Rozanna IV Sand-cat extraordinaire ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Mar 1996 13:37:04 -0700 (MST) From: mrtmh-+AT+-primenet.com (puppies and dragons) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Just some snippets Message-ID: <199603202037.NAA10785-+AT+-usr5.primenet.com> Re: Eirc and Kory I was kind of looking for the obvious love that Van and Stef showed each other when I read StT, and I was almost dissapointed when it wasn't there. Don't get me wrong, I LOOOOVE (Did I mention love?) the series, and I'm positively foaming at the mouth in anticipation of the third one (Called, according to the firebird catalouge, World's End) but I'm also not holding any of my digits to my derrier. At least I can daydream about them... Re: Women Bonding Personally, I tend to get along with almost everybody, but all of my really close friends have been guys. Well, except my she'enedra, but that's a different story. I think that women, while it may not be concious, are raised to distrust each other to a certain extent. And I have noticed among female friends, that the only lengthy conversations we seem to have are about guys, or other things that have something to do with the opposite sex. After awhile I always begin to wonder what would happen if for some reason they couldn't use guys as an excuse not to have real thoughts of their own. Gods, the entire school would be dead silent! Lady 'Reesa ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Mar 1996 13:42:51 -0800 (PST) From: McCaffrey's White Dragon To: Mercedes List Lackey Subject: White Coconut List Message-ID: It's up! Or at least, it's there. To subscribe, send a message to Majordomo-+AT+-teleport.com with the words 'subscribe wccnut-l ' in the body. Like I said, it's just up so there isn't any faq or fancy intro or anything, but I'll be working on it. (SPRING BREAK! WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!) sincerely, ____________________ -==UDIC==- /\ Why is he talking \ McCaffrey's White Dragon a.k.a. Jake Gipple /LR\ to that White \ / EU \ Coconut? \ < MM >-------------------> (360)887-4779 \ UE / Don't ask. / "Akigiyama levin bolts!!!!!" \RL/ Please don't ask / -Kethrey as played by B-ko \/___________________/ FRINK! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Mar 1996 17:13:08 EST From: "Stormcloud" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Anime! Message-ID: <7646F26EBB-+AT+-SIMCL.STJOHNS.EDU> McCaffrey's White Dragon wrote: > Stormcloud wrote: > > YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I can picture it now! Vampire Hunter D > > sans that hat wouldn't be a bad Van, don'tcha think?! :) And anyone > > who's seen Sailor Moon can argue that even if he was a bad guy > > Malachite (Kunzite) had the perfect Hawkbrother look! (And he was > > shaych, too!) > > I'd have to agree on all counts! I could also imagine a Vows and Honor > parody featuring A-ko as Tarma and B-ko as Kethry C-ko would make a great Elspeth the brat!!!!! -+AT+->--- Stormcloud In the name One in Black of the Moon Jenna, the Misty maniac I'll punish you! jwil3969-+AT+-simcl.stjohns.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Mar 1996 17:17:12 -0500 (EST) From: Adrienne York To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: re: the twins (was Jadrek the twins,etc.) Message-ID: On Wed, 20 Mar 1996 CDyeboston-+AT+-aol.com wrote: > I mentioned that it was clear that Kris would be King and his sister > Monarch's Own, and Adrienne asked for the ref (which I had blanked out on.) > After much searching, I located it. The beginning of Winds of Change, as > Elspeth is ruminating upon things prior to her induction into the Tayledras' > clan as Wingsib. > > p. 16 US HB > > "And it wasn't a premonition of "doom" or anything like one. IT was just the > feeling that she was never going to rule. That one of the twins was going to > have the throne, and the other-- > _The other would be King's Own. Not a bad arrangement, since they aren't > at all alike. Wouldn't be the first time that sibs were Monarch and > Monarch's Own._" > > Now Elspeth, being the Heir, is probably an authority on the law of > succession in Valdemar, so we can be sure that she has taken that into > account. Selenay makes the twins joint-heir presumptives in Winds of Fury, > but I'd guess that Kris is the elder by some minutes, or there is some > legalistic preference toward males. Or Elspeth has had a genuine > premonition. Her thoughts distinguish between "King's Own" and "Monarch's > Own" within moments, though, so it isn't just a matter of carelessness. I don't know that we can be so sure that wasn't a slip... Not to be rude, but I don't think Misty is usually so subtle... And it's entirely possible to refer to the same thing with different words that do not actually mean the same within seconds.... I do it all the time.... I would say that what we've seen about Valdemar makes me think that there's going to be a fight over who get's to Choose... and they both might get Chosen, because they'll both need the training, and I don't see Rolan becoming available by the time they reach their teens... _____________________________________________________________________________ L'enfant terrible ayork-+AT+-simons-rock.edu Grand Destinies lead to Grand Funerals. -Mercedes Lackey ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Mar 1996 17:34:17 -0500 From: Soljan-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: First books ... Message-ID: <960320173415_357066549-+AT+-emout09.mail.aol.com> >. I got hooked on fantasy >after reading Katherine Kurtz's books: "Camber of Culdi" and "Deryni >Checkmate". (It's actually book #2 of the Chronicles of the Deryni trilogy, >but at the time I didn't realize that an author could have more than one >trilogy, so I just looked for book #2 without looking at the trilogy name >). > >Julia > > I'm not really sure what the *first* was. I read the Narnia books in 5th grade, but they didn't do much for my fantasy hunger I have now. The first I believe was Lackey. (I am NOT sucking up.) I was scanning the YA section of my library for anything with the fantasy stcker on it. Arrows was first, on the top shelf. I think fate put it there. I grabbed all three and read them. (this was summer.) Then I set them aside, not knowing there were more... Then my mom bought my sister BTS. I didn't read it right away. I found Katherine Kurtz instead. (On the bottom shelf! I had to kneel to find them.) I read through the first Deryni books and went on to the rest. They were all in the library, on the same shelf, unlike Lackey's. I only had to wait for the last one. Then I read all of the Winds, then BTS. Stupid me. My sister kept saying, "No read BTS first! It'll help!" I ignored her. Somewhere in here I started Piers Anthony's Xanth. (Top shelf, almost the first books!) No, I do not have an affiliation with TMIW. I simply like PA as an author, and I like Misty much better. I am, a Lady in Green. That's my description of the *first* I read. My goal now is to read ALL the Velgarth books, from Gryphon to Storms *In chronological order* re-reading those I already read. Expect postings on my progress. Silvermoon Lady in Green :-) ****************************************************************************** ******************* "How do you KNOW she is a witch?" "She looks like one!" Monty Python and the search for the Holy Grail ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Mar 1996 16:29:12 -0700 (MST) From: mrtmh-+AT+-primenet.com (puppies and dragons) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: That dreaded coconut war... Message-ID: <199603202329.QAA22818-+AT+-usr3.primenet.com> Oh Lady Becky... Methinks this is the list we've been waiting for! I'll see you there, armed with coconuts, sparrows and plenty of Pythin quotes! Lady 'Reesa the Incredibly Silly ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Mar 1996 18:47:49 -0500 (EST) From: Kat To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Off-topic, killings Message-ID: On Wed, 20 Mar 1996, Rozanna McNeer wrote: > Can someone tell me something (boy is this going to sound crass, > brace yourselves) - why does the media, and people in general, tend > to have a more violent reaction to the massacre of children (re > dunblane incident, and OK city bombing). If the same number of adults > had been killed in a drive by shooting kind of thing in the States, > it would probably not make international headlines - but when > children are involved, the story hits the headlines and stays there > for a long time. I mean people are people, damn it, and why should > age matter? How is the sorrow of losing someone age 5 greater than > the sorrow of losing someone age 55? Just as an aside, let me say that this is not neccessarily my view. I think that many people view the death of children as more tragic because they have not had the time to experience much of what life has to offer. Also in the religious sense they were not given the time to attone for any sins they might have committed in their short lives. I happen to agree with you and think every life should be held as equally precious. No matter how long a person lives he or she will never have the oppurtunity to accomplish all that he or she had the capability to do. > > Had to get that off my chest - does anyone have an answer? > > Angry that all life is not held equally precious in the world, > Lady Rozanna IV > Sand-cat extraordinaire > ObMisty I am not sure where Misty's stories seem to lie on this particular subject. But I think that as a whole many novels treat the death of many children as worse than many adults. Example: the massacre of a group of children in a village during a war versus the massacre of a group of soldiers. (ummm, I guess this didnt really address Misty, but i did try) WTTW, Herald Gwen -wingk-+AT+-river.it.gvsu.edu ------------------------------ Date: 20 Mar 96 19:41:02 EST From: "Jake (Rynath *OIB*)" <102744.2515-+AT+-compuserve.com> To: M-L mailing list Subject: Re: Anime! Message-ID: <960321004102_102744.2515_GHT154-1-+AT+-CompuServe.COM> McC's WD wrote: .On Mon, 18 Mar 1996, Stormcloud wrote: .. .> Rynath wrote: .> > Of course, we could just animate the whole thing and make it easier. I wouldn't .> > give it to any American studio to animate, however, since they'd ruin the story. .> > So we'd turn it over to Japan and then they can do an anime on it. :) .> .> YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I can picture it now! Vampire Hunter D .> sans that hat wouldn't be a bad Van, don'tcha think?! :) And anyone .> who's seen Sailor Moon can argue that even if he was a bad guy .> Malachite (Kunzite) had the perfect Hawkbrother look! (And he was .> shaych, too!) .. .I'd have to agree on all counts! I could also imagine a Vows and Honor .parody featuring A-ko as Tarma and B-ko as Kethry No!! We have to get Sailor Moon to be Kethry, so she can say "Moon Levinbolt Power" when she's using magic. - Jake ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Mar 1996 20:15:35 -0500 (EST) From: Adrienne York To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re:Off-topic, killings Message-ID: On Wed, 20 Mar 1996, Rozanna McNeer wrote: > age matter? How is the sorrow of losing someone age 5 greater than > the sorrow of losing someone age 55? > > Had to get that off my chest - does anyone have an answer? Two things. Thing one: I have here a genuine Oklahoman who wishes to report that the shock with the Oklahoman bombing was not that a few of the children were children, but that it was a terrorist attack in *Oklahoma*. OK is not what one thinks of as a terrorist target. This is her typing. WHen OK got bombed, sure there were a lot of people saying , Oh yeah, what about the poor children who were killed. But there were only about 12 of them....as opposed to the 20, 50 or so adults (I forget the exact number...all the reports blur together. I still have the obituaries from three of my high-school (and younger) friends who lost their parents....what I could never understand was why everyone felt so sorry for the children who were already dead, as opposed to those who had to grow up and understand at 3, 7, 11 or however old that their parents would never be back. Melinda W. lost her father, who was a CIA agent....he was sent to Oklahoma after getting off an assignment, because everyone knew that OK was the safest place to be..... Thing two: Someone who is 55 has had a chance at adulthood, has had a chance to do some of the things they would have wanted to accomplish in life, has had a chance to make an impact on the world. What chance does a 5 year-old have to be their own person? What chance do they have to do what they want purely for themselves? What chance do they have to be a grown-up, or even a fourth-grader? It's worse with a child because they didn't even begin to be finished yet. They haven't even begun to start. _____________________________________________________________________________ L'enfant terrible ayork-+AT+-simons-rock.edu Grand Destinies lead to Grand Funerals. -Mercedes Lackey ------------------------------ Date: 20 Mar 96 20:55:48 EST From: "Jake (Rynath *OIB*)" <102744.2515-+AT+-compuserve.com> To: M-L mailing list Subject: Re: Evil villians (was Re: ranting about the Gods) Message-ID: <960321015547_102744.2515_GHT45-1-+AT+-CompuServe.COM> Adrienne wrote: .On Tue, 19 Mar 1996 Soljan-+AT+-aol.com wrote: .> White Gryphon Spoiler! SPOILER! .> *********************************************************** .> .> .> .> .> .> .> .> .> .> .> .> I personally thought that Ma'ar was a _better_(more interesting, smarter .> etc..) evil-bad-guy than that new guy she thought up for WG. I forget his .> name, but he's the one that pretends he's a kestra'chern and totally messes .> up some women's lives. He also manages to stalk Amberdrake and almost frame .> him. Hmmmm. I like _reliable_ Falconsbane better. .> .We don't want nuts for our evil villains! We want _sane_ evil people! We don't? I do! (see below) .You know what, I want Misty to .write an entire book from the point of view of the evil characters. Or, .if not evil, the ones who are definitely in the wrong. Who thinks she .could actually do it? I hate to mention TSR R (stands for Trademark Symbol Required) here, but they did that in their Dragonlance series and they were very good. Or _Evil by Necessity_ by Eve Forward (which is more humor-oriented). They show what it's like to be an evil character, and their motivations. _Hederick the Theocrat_ showed us a religious fanatic, and why he was seen as evil by the rest of the populace. It shows you what happens when a person is pushed over the edge for a (what they feel as) righteous cause. Evil has motivations, no matter how insane other people may see it. And people who are nuts make the greatest villains. No. Let me rephrase that. People who are nuts and who *seem* to be 100% normal make the greatest villains. (Some of my friends argue that I am one of those people, and I categorically deny that.) Could Misty do that? Well, I don't know. But she *should.* I'd love to see a Belgarath-the-Sorcerer-esque book about Ma'ar and his incarnations! :) I'halla shansu, =========================== Rynath (OIB) / Jake ======================= "Oochlay yoo-ma.. Chess bookoo-too ta chkeest-a CHKREN-ko, ya ol-chka." =========================102744.2515-+AT+-compuserve.com =================== ------------------------------ Date: 20 Mar 96 20:55:51 EST From: "Jake (Rynath *OIB*)" <102744.2515-+AT+-compuserve.com> To: M-L mailing list Subject: Re: Eddings and Trilogies rant Message-ID: <960321015551_102744.2515_GHT45-2-+AT+-CompuServe.COM> The Mage O' Green Silences wrote: .On Tue, 19 Mar 1996, Rosario Holsen-Baker wrote: .. .> On Tue, 19 Mar 1996, Jake (Rynath *OIB*) wrote: .> .> > ObMisty: Misty doesn't name her trilogies after her characters. (The Taliad? .> > The Vanyelloreon? The Tarmkethruli? The Kerowynium? No!) .> > .> Eeeyuch! Why *does* he do that, anyway? .Actually, I like the fact that he gives his series titles. I hate it .when an author writes a series and either never gives it a name, or waits .until somewhere in the series to do so. I also like the extra bit of .imagination that he put into his names. It is an extra little filip that .adds a touch of grace to the series. It does. I just think it wouldn't be as cool with Misty. .For that matter, look at the Di Tregarde books. That is the only name .for the series. I could wish that Misty had taken the time to come up .with a real series title. This seems to be the only series she has on her own without a series title. That always got me. (/rant on) The one thing that bothers me is trilogies/pentalogies (Eddings)/or octalogies (Roberson) is that there's so *many* books. It's always a mad scramble for me to find all the books in a series, as I buy my books mostly used (since I have an unfortunately voracious reading appetite). My reading tastes go towards the short rather than the long. I liked _Fire in the Mist_ by Holly Lisle more than I liked some of the trilogies I've read. I appreciate the good trilogy, etc., but does everyone in fantasy have to do one? Every used fantasy book I've been looking at lately is book three or book four or book seven of some series or another. Does no one write good stand-alone fantasy books? That's a rhetorical complaining question. I know that there's a lot of good fantasy books which can stand by themselves. Or even books that are in a series but you can read them without having read the rest of the series (like Terry Pratchett). But every now and then I just get the urge to read a nice stand-alone book, and all I can find are trilogies, trilogies, trilogies!! (/rant off) I'halla shansu, =========================== Rynath (OIB) / Jake ======================= "Oochlay yoo-ma.. Chess bookoo-too ta chkeest-a CHKREN-ko, ya ol-chka." =========================102744.2515-+AT+-compuserve.com =================== ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Mar 1996 20:53:13 CST From: Heather Watson To: Subject: Re: Female Bonding Message-ID: <20MAR96.22557962.0102.MUSIC-+AT+-NEMOMUS> Ouch! That stings a little. Okay, I'm not going to argue with anyone's experiences with male vs female friends, but I definitely don't think it's IQ linked. Are you saying that hanging out with women is for people who aren't smart enough to hack it around men? No, surely you're not. Women are socialized to like different things than men are, and a lot of the time, that socialization sticks. But I've known lots of women who have a lot more interesting things on their minds than a lot of men I know. And please don't leap to the conclusion that female things are only of interest to airheads. I'm no airhead, and I go shopping. From time to time, it's fun. I think it's a little sexist to assume that shopping is on a lower level than transmissions because shopping is girlstuff and transmissions are guystuff. That said, I'll admit that of my four closest friends, three are men. But it ain't because of my high IQ, and it ain't because women are brainless bimbos. I know that's not exactly what's being said around here lately, but I sort of comes out that way. Ah, and the topic headed "killings." There's a good reason most people get more agitated about dead children than dead adults -- several reasons, actually, but one that I think is primary. We're mammals. Young mammals require a lot of care and attention, and humans even more than any other species because so much of what we do is learned and not instinctive. Biologically speaking, it's in our programming to protect the young; if it weren't, we'd leave the whiny little kneebiters to starve, end of species. When children die, we perceive a threat to the herd, as it were, and we're moved to help. Normally we can't, and that makes us scared and angry. HTH ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Mar 1996 22:33:39 -0500 (EST) From: The Mage of Green Silences To: Rozanna McNeer Cc: Misty Lackey List Subject: re: random Message-ID: On Wed, 20 Mar 1996, Rozanna McNeer wrote: > I thought mea culpa meant "my sin", oh well. Actually, you are sort of right and I am sort of right. I was translating rather loosely (I told you I am not a believer, so I don't have "sin" as normal part of my lexicon). "culpa" is based on ther root "culp" which means something like "blame" or "fault" or "guilt." Thence, "culpable" meaning "at fault" or "to blame." The Catholic Church adapted the term to refer to sin, as a particular type of fault. So, within the context of the Catholic prayer, "through my sin" is a better translation, although "through my fault" is a more general one. > Re jake's movie mayhem list - did you know that Legend was first > released in the States with a Hard Rock soundtrack, since the movie > exec.'s thought Jerry Goldsmith's soundtrack would not go over well > in the States? Can you believe it??? Really? The only sound track that I have ever heard for it was the one that feature Brian Ferry and Roxie Music. Hardly what I would consider Hard Rock. I liked it and thought it meshed beautifully with the Ridley Scott visuals. I assume that this is the soundtrack that you were refering to, since I saw the movie during its first American release. May the seas be your solace and the forests a refuge for your spirit, Cennydd, Mage of the Green Silences. Eu guardo a luz das estrelas a alma de cada folha Sem folhas nao tem vida, Sem folhas nao tem nada, Salve as folhas! Kenneth Allen Hyde | No matter how subtle the wizard, a knife Univ. of Delaware | between the shoulder blades will seriously Dept. of Linguistics | cramp his style -- Old Jhereg proverb kenny-+AT+-strauss.udel.edu | A mind is a terrible toy to waste! -- Me ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Mar 1996 22:53:23 -0500 (EST) From: The Mage of Green Silences To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re:Off-topic, killings Message-ID: On Wed, 20 Mar 1996, Rozanna McNeer wrote: > Can someone tell me something (boy is this going to sound crass, > brace yourselves) - why does the media, and people in general, tend > to have a more violent reaction to the massacre of children (re > dunblane incident, and OK city bombing). If the same number of adults > had been killed in a drive by shooting kind of thing in the States, > it would probably not make international headlines - but when > children are involved, the story hits the headlines and stays there > for a long time. I mean people are people, damn it, and why should > age matter? How is the sorrow of losing someone age 5 greater than > the sorrow of losing someone age 55? Age matters. I think that it may be a last vestige of our instinct to protect our young. This is probably one of the most deeply ingrained, and adaptive instinct in the higher life forms. I think the other aspect is that most of see children who die as having been robbed of more than adults. They had a whole potential life before them, and it is suddenly gone. Adults have lived a larger part of their life and they have been robbed of less. Also, the basic fact is that children are more helpless and vulnerable and less able to contend with fate. Oh, I admit that adults in a gang-war drive-by shooting are not in a position to defend themselves, but they are in a position to try and change the world to prevent such things happening in the future. Children do not even have that much ability to protect themselves. Another thing is that children are innocent in a way that adults generally are not. Not that they don't do bad things, but these things are not generally done out of an "evil" nature. At least, I think that that is one of the perceptions of children that influences peoples reactions to a child's death. And yes, I do think that the death of a child is more tragic than the death of an adult. In the classic "what if" question, if I were in a position that I truly had to choose between saving the life of an adult and the life of a child (for example, they are hanging from a cliff and I can only get to one in time), I would save the child and not even hesitate. > Angry that all life is not held equally precious in the world, Really? I get angry when I think of the fact that most people only value life after it is gone. Why didn't someone do something about that guy in Scotland earlier? May the seas be your solace and the forests a refuge for your spirit, Cennydd, Mage of the Green Silences. Eu guardo a luz das estrelas a alma de cada folha Sem folhas nao tem vida, Sem folhas nao tem nada, Salve as folhas! Kenneth Allen Hyde | No matter how subtle the wizard, a knife Univ. of Delaware | between the shoulder blades will seriously Dept. of Linguistics | cramp his style -- Old Jhereg proverb kenny-+AT+-strauss.udel.edu | A mind is a terrible toy to waste! -- Me ------------------------------ Date: 20 Mar 96 20:55:57 EST From: "Jake (Rynath *OIB*)" <102744.2515-+AT+-compuserve.com> To: M-L mailing list Subject: Re: Eric & Kory Message-ID: <960321015556_102744.2515_GHT45-4-+AT+-CompuServe.COM> Rozanna wrote: .I agree with Heather completely on this one. And I must admit, I .liked the Bards series a lot more than I liked the SERRAted edge .series. It could be that I just don't like cars that much (like the .girl in Jinx High said (paraphrase), metal-plated mega-farts and turbo .blah- blah just ain't my schtick) I've only read one SERRAted Edge book (_Chrome Circle_)and the only reason I liked it really was because it mentioned two bands in it that I absolutely love--Rush and They Might Be Giants. The storyline was okay, but race cars are so... juvenile. It's such a striking difference from her other books in the same universe. .Has anyone else picked up In .Celebration of Lammas Night yet?, It will be in my possession by .friday (cackle with glee, rub greedy paws together) Yes! I have it. I haven't *read* it, but Stormcloud tells me it's interesting . I *love* the song "Lammas Night" sooo much (and not only because Heather "I-can-read-a-tax-form-and-make-it-sound-beautiful" Alexander sings on it) that I grabbed up the book as soon as I saw it. .Anway, I would like to see more of Kory, Beth and Eric, too. I can't .believe that Baen would cancel such a wonderul series! (indignant .growl) !!? Cancel !!? Are the people at DAW and Baen getting together to cancel my favorite serieses? !?! That's an outrage. I liked the Misty Bedlam books (not Ellen's, though)!!! Shade and Sweet Water to You, ========================== Rynath (OIB) / Jake ======================= "There can always be another headless corpse. But true love--that comes around only once." -- Perry White, "Lois and Clark." ========================102744.2515-+AT+-compuserve.com =================== ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Mar 1996 21:27:56 -0800 (PST) From: Becky Anne Christensen To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Something more pleasant about the Gods Message-ID: On Wed, 20 Mar 1996, STOKES J wrote: > From: Heather Watson > > Misty should hire a friendly linguist to develop a Berlitz course > >in Shin'a'in and Tayledras, like the nice folks at Paramount did with > >Klingon. We could even have language-immersion camps Doesn't that > >sound better than whatever you were planning for this summer? > > >HTH > > Count me in on that. I'd love to spend a summer with like minded > people learning Shin'a'in etc. > As I'm going to be at summer camp anyway this year it > wouldn't be that different from what I'd planned > > Kalen shena Vuysher'edras > > That would be so wonderful! Especially if I got to meet everyone on this list in person! We could all bring our white clothes, white coconuts (or horses for those of you who are rich), and spend the whole summer being the completely wonderful silly people we are. All the time continuing our deep philisophical conversations about casting the movie. It would be a dream come true! Lady Becky The more that you read, the more things you will know. The more that you learn, the more places you'll go. --Dr. Suess ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Mar 1996 22:30:03 -0700 (MST) From: mrtmh-+AT+-primenet.com (puppies and dragons) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Eddings and Trilogies rant Message-ID: <199603210530.WAA09726-+AT+-usr4.primenet.com> Rynath/Jake wrote > >That's a rhetorical complaining question. I know that there's a lot of good >fantasy books which can stand by themselves. Or even books that are in a series >but you can read them without having read the rest of the series (like Terry >Pratchett). But every now and then I just get the urge to read a nice >stand-alone book, and all I can find are trilogies, trilogies, trilogies!! > >(/rant off) > First point: I do beleive that the Di books are listed as the Diana Tregarde Investigations, either inside the cover, or in the Books in Print list. Second thingy: Try "The Fire's Stone" by Tanya Huff. Though many people have begged her (Okay, so maybe it was only AJ Potter and me...) she still says she will not write a sequel to it. I have to say (though legions from this list will now decend upon my head...) that it's in my absolute three favorite books of all time, with Magic's Price and Mirror Dance. Also, Villians By Neccesity is a stand alone (so far ) Well, it's time for all bad little boys and girls to log off. Bye! ################################# Lady 'Reesa ################################### mrtmh-+AT+-primenet.com Topiary- It's Green... It's all natural... It's a great way to off your enemies!!!!!<--look 5! ############ VORKOSIGAN/NAISMITH IN 96...THE REAL SPLIT TICKET! ############# ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Mar 1996 21:38:14 -0800 (PST) From: Becky Anne Christensen To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: First books ... Message-ID: > I was scanning the YA section > of my library for anything with the fantasy stcker on it. Arrows was first, > on the top shelf. I think fate put it there. (snippity, snippity, sock, the mice ran up the clock) Actually, it was probably the alphabet, it does start with an _A_ :) >(Sorry, I couldn't resist) Lady Becky The more that you read, the more things you will know. The more that you learn, the more places you'll go. --Dr. Suess ------------------------------ End of MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 430 *********************************