MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 434 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Killings by Heather Watson 2) Re: Looking for something... by "Jake (Rynath *OIB*)" <102744.2515-+AT+-compuserve.com> 3) Better Late than Never by Heather Watson 4) Re: That dreaded coconut war... by mrtmh-+AT+-primenet.com (puppies and dragons) 5) Re: Really dumb question by Mat Timmerman 6) David Eddings by Raingcats-+AT+-aol.com 7) Re: First books... by Rebecca Cary 8) Re: Master Cast List (2nd ed.) by be248-+AT+-scn.org (SCN User) 9) Re: Villains by McCaffrey's White Dragon 10) Re: Master Cast List (2nd ed.) by McCaffrey's White Dragon 11) Re: Those d****d confusing groups! by Semca1-+AT+-aol.com 12) Re: Those d****d confusing groups! by Semca1-+AT+-aol.com 13) Re: Eric & Kory by Semca1-+AT+-aol.com 14) Re: Mel Gibson by Rebecca Cary 15) Re: Stand-alones by "E. W. Bennefeld" 16) Re:Off-topic, killings by MELISA TREMBLAY 17) Don't give up on SERRAted Edge yet.. by catwoman 18) Re: Stand-alones by Lady Kayla 19) Re: Off-topic, killings -Reply by "E. W. Bennefeld" 20) Baen interview by JSteinb103-+AT+-aol.com 21) Re: Mel Gibson by The Mage of Green Silences 22) Re: Anime cast list by catwoman 23) Re: Cast List idea by catwoman ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 22 Mar 1996 16:55:39 CST From: Heather Watson To: Subject: Re: Killings Message-ID: <22MAR96.18281903.0074.MUSIC-+AT+-NEMOMUS> Let's not forget the most important mass-murder, plotwise: the extermination of the Tale'sedrin Clan. HTH ------------------------------ Date: 22 Mar 96 18:13:30 EST From: "Jake (Rynath *OIB*)" <102744.2515-+AT+-compuserve.com> To: M-L mailing list Subject: Re: Looking for something... Message-ID: <960322231329_102744.2515_GHT165-2-+AT+-CompuServe.COM> B. Quam wrote: .I'm looking for where I could get the short strories that started out the .Oathbound sequences...Not just where they are but how I can get hold of .them...Thanx... It's in _Sword and Sorceress III_, edited by Marion Zimmer Bradley, and, of course, it's out of print. The publisher doesn't have any (I checked), none of the major book chains have them (unless Lady Becky beat me to the punch and ordered *all* of B. Dalton's copies!) and they're not really available in the used bookstores in New York City and Arizona (which I have *scoured*). How can you get them? Find a good friend of yours that has one, kill them, and take their copy. It seems this is the only way I will be able to get my hands on one of them . Or do it the easy way and ask them for a photocopy. (BTW I have a _Sword and Sorceress I_ I'm willing to trade for a _SS III_) I'halla shansu, =========================== Rynath (OIB) / Jake ======================= Happiness and loneliness run on the same path--- it only matters in how you walk it. =========================102744.2515-+AT+-compuserve.com =================== ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Mar 1996 17:51:38 CST From: Heather Watson To: Subject: Better Late than Never Message-ID: <22MAR96.19289609.0089.MUSIC-+AT+-NEMOMUS> Okay, now that we're so far into this whole experience of sharing our favorite books, I've decided that I need to be Writing All This Down. Yes, I should have thought of it earlier, but it just kept getting more and more irresistably interesting. So. If you have sent titles to this list over the last few days, it would be ohsosweet of you to send them to me again, by private e-mail, because I remember lots of them, but I'll bet I've forgotten lots more. From now on, I promise, I'll make a note of any title that comes up the first time around. What I'm going to do with this list I don't know, but I'm a listing fool, and I'll come up with something. Maybe I'll put it on my homepage (giving y'all due credit, of course) when I get a homepage this summer. Maybe I'll just keep it and feel good about myself. I'll certainly be glad to send copies to anyone who's interested. Again, if you mentioned a book that you think needs to be on the list, refresh my failing memory. Thanks. HTH ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Mar 1996 17:34:32 -0700 (MST) From: mrtmh-+AT+-primenet.com (puppies and dragons) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: That dreaded coconut war... Message-ID: <199603230034.RAA03268-+AT+-usr2.primenet.com> > Did I miss something? Is there a monty pythin list?! Where? >Where? I deleted a whole binch of messages because I was way behind on >mail. Are we starting another flyinh projectile Monty Python fight on the >list? Just tell me where, and I'll be there. > > > Lady Becky > Actually, McCaffrey's White Dragon started a list. He even encouraged us to have a coconut fight on it! Yeah!!!!!<--look 5! Poor sucker...(I mean that in a good way, lest you decide to eat me oh fairest of dragons) IIRC, you sunscribed by sending a message to Majordomo-+AT+-teleport.com with a blank subject and the body of the message reading subscribe wccnut Hope to see you there! ################################# Lady 'Reesa ############################## mrtmh-+AT+-primenet.com Topiary-It's Green... It's all natural... It's a great way to disguise your enemies dead bodies!!!!!<--look 5! ######### VORKOSIGAN/NAISMITH IN 96...THE REAL SPLIT TICKET! ########## ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Mar 1996 20:16:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Mat Timmerman To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Really dumb question Message-ID: <01I2NH3FICYQ90QFK7-+AT+-vaxc.hofstra.edu> From: 5INT627-+AT+-sc.maricopa.edu > >Everyone, > Am I being stupid or isn't it true that in Winds of Fate >Quenten refers to the Companians as "Guardian Spirits" from >"other planes of existence". Therefore, how did the Companians >suddenly become reincarnated Heralds? Am I missing something >here? I don't think that they're really reincarnatied Heralds. More like Heralds who became "angels" (Guardian Spirits), who were put into material bodies (kind of like Gandalf, who was a Maia (demi-demi-god), who was put in a human body as Gandalf the Grey. Gandalf the White was another matter. Like many of you, I find Tolkein kind of dry, but Gandalf was cool.). Then, when the bodies die, they do whatever dead Companions do (i.e. -- become Heralds again or become a new Companion maybe). Mat accmjt-+AT+-vaxc.hofstra.edu http://ada.hofstra.edu/~mtimme47/ "I don't care what you smell, just get in there!" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Mar 1996 20:20:37 -0500 From: Raingcats-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: David Eddings Message-ID: <960322202034_359181424-+AT+-emout04.mail.aol.com> Who thinks that there is a resemblance between Sephrenia and Lady Polgara? I just thought of that and was wondering if anybody else thought the same. Comments? Zhai'helleva! Lady Moonsong An Honorable Lady In Green Raingcats-+AT+-aol.com "Comedy is simply a funny way of being serious." - Peter Ustinov ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Mar 1996 22:30:49 -0500 (EST) From: Rebecca Cary To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: First books... Message-ID: Like many others, my first fantasy books were the Narnia series. My first SF was Ender's Game, by Orson Scott Card. Some of his stuff really bugs me, but I'll always love that one. Becky ---------- With my luck, the entrance exam to Heaven will have logarithms on it. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Mar 1996 15:36:46 -0800 From: be248-+AT+-scn.org (SCN User) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Master Cast List (2nd ed.) Message-ID: <199603222336.PAA11606-+AT+-scn.org> (Sorry if this is the second time you've seen this, but my mailer screwed up...) I second Glenn Close as Savil, Patrick Stewart as Orthallen, Cary Elwes as Kris(dye job), Sean Connery as Within (dye job) & the Baldwins as the Askevron cousins, etc. I suggest Jason or Jeremy London as Stefan (They're twins) Just my thoughts.... Zhai'helleva, Herald Briana -- Herald Briana Kestyl For some reason I never had any trouble Lady In Green figuring out what death was all wc814-+AT+-freenet.victoria about; but life - that's taken be248-+AT+-scn.org me until now. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Mar 1996 22:07:52 -0800 (PST) From: McCaffrey's White Dragon To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Villains Message-ID: On Fri, 22 Mar 1996, Heather Watson wrote: > Why would anyone bother with a book about Ma'ar? We all know what he'll > do. He'll do bad things. 'Cause he's bad. As far as I can tell, he > has no motivations, other than ultimate power and hurting people, and he > certainly has no internal conflicts nor does he have things he cares > about. There's never been a flicker of complexity in anything we've > seen about him. You might as well write a book about Thalhkarsh. It > would be dull. He'd do a bunch of bad stuff, murder, rape, pillage, the > usual, and then he'd get killed or he'd suicide. See, I already know > what happens, so I don't have to pay $5.99 for the book. > Even bad guys should be interesting, if they're the protaganist. > Read The Wolf of Winter or Tigana if you want bad guys. Ma'ar? I think > we've pretty much plumbed that character for all the depth we're going > to get in the Winds trilogy. > > Something An'desha said (I don't remember where) led me to believe otherwise. He said that, initially, Ma'ar thought he was doing the 'right' thing, after a fashion. I think it was something like the standard 'uniting the world in peace under my iron rule' type thing. As far as concerned the warring barbarian tribes, he succeded. It was in subsequent lives that he began to become more corrupt and stop rationalizing what he did. In other words, he had to 'grow' into the evil of Falconsbane. I think it would be interesting to read about this not _so_ bad character and see exactly what he was thinking. ____________________ -==UDIC==- /\ Why is he talking \ McCaffrey's White Dragon a.k.a. Jake Gipple /LR\ to that White \

/ EU \ Coconut? \

< MM >-------------------> (360)887-4779 \ UE / Don't ask. / "Akigiyama levin bolts!!!!!" \RL/ Please don't ask / -Kethrey as played by B-ko \/___________________/ FRINK! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Mar 1996 11:17:18 -0500 From: Semca1-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Those d****d confusing groups! Message-ID: <960323111716_359615149-+AT+-emout04.mail.aol.com> In a message dated 96-03-23 03:37:18 EST, you write: > What are those groups? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Mar 1996 11:23:33 -0500 From: Semca1-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Those d****d confusing groups! Message-ID: <960323112331_359619037-+AT+-mail06> Shoulnd't there be Bird People/Taledras? Good bondbirds are SO hard to find, how about a cute parakeet? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Mar 1996 11:39:59 -0500 From: Semca1-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Eric & Kory Message-ID: <960322232214_359335317-+AT+-emout08.mail.aol.com> Hi. I am Semca1 and am a AOL user. Misty is my fav author, with Anthony, Bujold, and Eddings very close seconds. Just read Ethan of Athos, and I've read every book by Misty exept for a lucky few. I like the concept in Eagle and Nitingale, and I like bards. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Mar 1996 14:26:02 -0500 (EST) From: Rebecca Cary To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Mel Gibson Message-ID: On Tue, 19 Mar 1996, Heather Watson wrote: > What makes you think Mel is homophobic? Not that you're necessarily > wrong, but I did hear an interview with him that was very gay-positive, > and he kissed Danny Glover in one of the Lethal Weapon movies. True, it > was in the script, but he would certainly *not* be the first actor to > refuse to do a gay kiss. (Will Smith refused for Six Degrees of > Separation, and there are others that I should be able to remember, but > can't.) > And WHO said they hadn't seen Braveheart yet? > SEE IT! > > > HTH > You know, you have a point. I'm not sure what his personal beliefs are, but "Man Without a Face" seemed, while not necessarily gay-positive, certainly homophobia-negative. But maybe that's just me. ObMisty: There are very few men without faces on Velgarth. Becky ---------- With my luck, the entrance exam to Heaven will have logarithms on it. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Mar 1996 15:16:01 -0600 From: "E. W. Bennefeld" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Stand-alones Message-ID: <199603232116.PAA19823-+AT+-orion.polaristel.net> Just finished reading an enjoyable fantasy that reminded me somewhat of Tanya Huff's books. It's _Instrument of Fate_ by Christie Golden (Ace Fantasy, April 1996). Is complete with a good story line, elves and other assorted beings, demons, an impending war, and a bard, Gillien Songespynner, as a one of the lead characters. E. W. Bennefeld wicker-+AT+-polaristel.net The Written Word Fargo, ND USA Slender fingers of light turn a dewy cobweb to liquid silver --from Seasonal Quartets ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Mar 1996 14:09:40 -0800 (PST) From: MELISA TREMBLAY To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re:Off-topic, killings Message-ID: Okay, this is my 2 cents on the subject listed below. When children are killed there is more of a feeling of wasted life. A child hasn't been able to experience everything this world has to offer. You'll never know what that child may have contributed to society, while an adult (at age 55 or so) has supposedly contributed to society. Children are also considered innocent, to kill a child who is innocent is perhaps more evil than killing an adult. (Don't take me wrong I think all life is sacred, I drive my parents nuts, when instead of killing the bug that is buzzing around in our house I take it outside and set it free. My brother laughs at me) Anyhow, back to the subject. They (the news agencies) may spend more time on these subjects so that they can get a better shock value, ie. viewing membership. I remember at home one time, I was watching the news. They came on about finding a body in a trash can that was decapitated. While they are talking about this they showed a police officer next to the trash can holding a plastic trash bag with something round in it. That trashbag was of the white variety and you could see something red in it. It totally grosssed me out, that they would show something like that without even a warning. This society has gotten to the point that showing pain, suffering and death sells stories. It helps the news agencies gather a larger following. (supposedly) I have always hated the reporters who ask a man who has just watched his family die a horrible death. *So, how do you feel that your family has just died in this horrible car accident?* How are they suppose to answer? *I feel wonderful, I can finally go on that trip I always waanted to go on with the insurance money I will get.* A person after seeing their world destroyed will answer that life is gone, that everything they loved is dead, so on and so forth. Asking how they *feel* at that point is like asking a person how it feels to be shot or find out your paralyzed. *Oh, just find and dandy* ( pulling myself from the ranting stage) Back to the subject at hand, the killing of children has a bigger shock value to the public. That is why when you have some crazy go after children they get their point across alot more better than when that same person goes after adults. It is the same with terrorists, they go after the innocent and this has a longer lasting affect than going after the guilty. It gets their point across. The killing of innocents, of the young, has always touched people on a deeper level because the loss of years, the killing of something that hasn't been able to live yet, to grow. I think *all* life is precious. I don't think what you asked sounded crass, Rozanna. It is something that this society(ie. the news people) have done to sell more. To get a larger following. Personally I don't care for that kind of reporting and all it leads to. I think this went a bit longer than 2 cents, but this is how I feel. Sorry about all the ranting. I feel strongly about this. Melisa On Wed, 20 Mar 1996, Rozanna McNeer wrote: > Can someone tell me something (boy is this going to sound crass, > brace yourselves) - why does the media, and people in general, tend > to have a more violent reaction to the massacre of children (re > dunblane incident, and OK city bombing). If the same number of adults > had been killed in a drive by shooting kind of thing in the States, > it would probably not make international headlines - but when > children are involved, the story hits the headlines and stays there > for a long time. I mean people are people, damn it, and why should > age matter? How is the sorrow of losing someone age 5 greater than > the sorrow of losing someone age 55? > > Had to get that off my chest - does anyone have an answer? > > Angry that all life is not held equally precious in the world, > Lady Rozanna IV > Sand-cat extraordinaire > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Mar 1996 21:57:01 -0800 From: catwoman To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Don't give up on SERRAted Edge yet.. Message-ID: <199603240557.VAA19582-+AT+-inreach.com> At 10:40 3/21/96 GMT, you wrote: >I've only read one SERRAted Edge book (_Chrome Circle_)and the only reason I >liked it really was because it mentioned two bands in it that I absolutely >love--Rush and They Might Be Giants. >The storyline was okay, but race cars are so... juvenile. It's such a striking >difference from her other books in the same universe. I haven't read _Chrome Circle_, but I've read _When the Bough Breaks_, _Born to Run_, and one other one (can't remember the name of it), and the racecars in those three are quite minimal, and in BtR, almost non-existant. Great books! -catwoman-+AT+-inreach.com still looking for a spiffy sig.. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Mar 1996 23:14:17 +0800 From: Lady Kayla To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Stand-alones Message-ID: <199603241514.XAA12678-+AT+-janice.vianet.net.au> I must admit I much prefer series to stand-alones. Until someone writes a stand alone that is long enough I guess that will always be the way!!!!! I read too fast for most people!!!! *grin* I always get to the end of a book and think "is that it??? what happens next????" ^^^^^^^ |Don't despair| ( O O ) <| ? |> |Take heart| $ \ ~ / $ - |Life is to be lived| Kayla kayla-+AT+-vianet.net.au ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Mar 1996 10:44:56 -0600 From: "E. W. Bennefeld" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Off-topic, killings -Reply Message-ID: <199603241644.KAA19140-+AT+-orion.polaristel.net> At 06:14 AM 3/24/1996 GMT, you wrote: >The biggest "problem" when it involves children is the way we react >because *supposedly* we value our children more than we do adults, >but in reality we actually value adults and senior citizens more >(look at federal spending on senior citizens compared to children). > >It is harder to explain to a child about death, especially if they >are under 10 or so. > >Just my .02 > > > There are reasons for the discrepancy in spending for senior citizens versus children. Supposedly, every child has one or two parents or guardian(s) who have a legal financial responsibility for the child. The way the laws stand in the United States, no one can be compelled to assume financial responsibility for an adult who is not financially self-sufficient. Second, the theory was that the financial "safety net" for senior citizens would be self-funding (Social Security taxes); we pay the money in as we are able, while we are working, and we draw on that fund as needed when we are no longer able to work. However, children, older persons, and those with disabilities are not valued persons in our society--minority groups with little to no unity as a voting block--and so the needs of these groups are addressed inadequately and under protest. The voices of the individuals in these groups are, for the most part, not heard, and government quite often does things _to_, not _for_ these people under the guise of benevolence, without finding out what they really want or need. Several questions are involved here. First, what is the proper role of government, if any, in meeting the needs of individuals? And, second, what responsibility do we, as individuals, have to ensure the financial, educational, spiritual, and physical welfare of those around us? If any meaningful changes are to take place in our society, they must take place in people, one by one. This theme of personal and community responsibility towards others is a central one throughout Misty's books--IT IS HER MESSAGE--and it invites personal consideration and response. Elizabeth E. W. Bennefeld wicker-+AT+-polaristel.net The Written Word Fargo, ND USA Slender fingers of light turn a dewy cobweb to liquid silver --from Seasonal Quartets ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Mar 1996 12:25:16 -0500 From: JSteinb103-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Baen interview Message-ID: <960324122515_453605326-+AT+-emout05.mail.aol.com> >ObMisty: Has anyone read the Baen interview on the Net? No, but I'd like to. Where can I find it? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Mar 1996 16:46:10 -0500 (EST) From: The Mage of Green Silences To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Mel Gibson Message-ID: On Sun, 24 Mar 1996, Rebecca Cary wrote: > On Tue, 19 Mar 1996, Heather Watson wrote: > > > What makes you think Mel is homophobic? Not that you're necessarily > > wrong, but I did hear an interview with him that was very gay-positive, > > and he kissed Danny Glover in one of the Lethal Weapon movies. True, it > > was in the script, but he would certainly *not* be the first actor to > > refuse to do a gay kiss. (Will Smith refused for Six Degrees of > > Separation, and there are others that I should be able to remember, but > > can't.) > > And WHO said they hadn't seen Braveheart yet? > > SEE IT! > > > > > > HTH > > > > You know, you have a point. I'm not sure what his personal beliefs are, > but "Man Without a Face" seemed, while not necessarily gay-positive, > certainly homophobia-negative. > But maybe that's just me. > > ObMisty: There are very few men without faces on Velgarth. I don't have the references with me (me-+AT+-parents', books-+AT+-home), but Mel Gibson has made some very homophobic statements to the press in interviews. I think the biggest one was when (in the late 80s/ early 90s) he said something to the effect that he would never do any of that fag stuff in one of his movies. His comments were frequent enough and pointed enough that there were calls in the gay community to boycott his work. (didn't work of course, he is just to cute to boycott.) If people are still interested, I can try to find the exact references after I get home from Spring Break. May the seas be your solace and the forests a refuge for your spirit, Cennydd, Mage of the Green Silences. Eu guardo a luz das estrelas a alma de cada folha Sem folhas nao tem vida, Sem folhas nao tem nada, Salve as folhas! Kenneth Allen Hyde | No matter how subtle the wizard, a knife Univ. of Delaware | between the shoulder blades will seriously Dept. of Linguistics | cramp his style -- Old Jhereg proverb kenny-+AT+-strauss.udel.edu | A mind is a terrible toy to waste! -- Me ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Mar 1996 19:07:18 -0800 From: catwoman To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Anime cast list Message-ID: <199603250307.TAA02452-+AT+-inreach.com> At 07:09 3/24/96 GMT, you wrote: >> 3) Shall I begin one for Anime, too? >> >> *****LADY JAGUAR***** >Vanyel: Vampire Hunter D (minus that HAT!!!!!) >Firesong?: Malachite (Kunzite) >Tarma: A-ko >Kethry: B-ko >young Elspeth: C-ko >Darkwind: Tuxedo Mask (Tuxedo Kamen) with longer hair >older Elspeth: Sailor Moon >Selenay: Queen Serenity >Anyone have any more, or are there any I forgot? I still object to B-ko as Kethry. NONONONONONONONO..she's such a...a...a......ditz! Augh! Sorry, she just drove me bonkers. How 'bout Akane Tendo as Sherril or something.. -catwoman-+AT+-inreach.com still looking for a spiffy sig.. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Mar 1996 19:07:20 -0800 From: catwoman To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Cast List idea Message-ID: <199603250307.TAA02454-+AT+-inreach.com> At 07:14 3/24/96 GMT, you wrote: >Everyone, > I've just come up with a couple of ideas: > Charlton Heston - Ulrich > Robin Williams - Leslac > David Hasselhoff - Thaarl-karsh(sp?) in human >guise YES! Robin Williams would make an excelent Leslac...that would be great. He'd be second only to Fozzie Bear. ;) -catwoman-+AT+-inreach.com still looking for a spiffy sig.. ------------------------------ End of MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 434 *********************************